How Splatoon's Predecessor Was Ended By Leaks - Game History Secrets (Nintendo Wii U)

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    In this video, Liam takes a look at how Splatoon's predecessor was ended by leaks. This predecessor prototype was developed for the Nintendo Wii U by The Conduit developer High Voltage Software, who were contacted by Nintendo who expressed interest in developing an exclusive FPS for their upcoming system. The prototype was based around using water pistols, similar to the weapons in Splatoon, which has since become one Nintendo's biggest franchises having success on both the Wii U and Nintendo Switch.
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  • @512TheWolf512
    @512TheWolf512 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1097

    Mario is a plumber. That is why nintendo doesn't tolerate any leaks at all.
    There is no other explanation

    • @optical4483
      @optical4483 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Mario's not a plumber anymore, was confirmed by Nintendo after Odyssey came out.

    • @BloodRedFox2008
      @BloodRedFox2008 5 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      They've since gone back on the "not a plumber" thing, with Mario's official Nintendo bio once again listing his profession as "plumber."

    • @levelzero4187
      @levelzero4187 5 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      The clever hilarity of this comment is diluted by the ridiculous replies of people who are trying to sound smart.

    • @impulse5674
      @impulse5674 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Everyone here has ruined the joke

    • @harrybest2041
      @harrybest2041 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Optical He Is A Plumber Because Pipes Are Still A Thing In Odyssey

  • @SlackerKite
    @SlackerKite 5 ปีที่แล้ว +654

    Amazing that basically one disgruntled employee ruined an entire studio, a studio that didn't want to single out anyone and instead took the bullet at the time. Cool.

    • @Blastros01
      @Blastros01 5 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      SlackerKite this is the worst part. They claim that they wouldn't fire the employee and didn't want to call them out yet the employee harmed the company so much. That's basically a parasite mentality. It would have been better if they had discribed their perceived mistreatment in detail but it's probably a higher expected check or something minor. This is why some people are "over qualified". You might be great but if you're prone to being disgruntled because what you think you're worth and sabotage the company then you're a liability and not worth the experience you bring.

    • @TheCorky42090
      @TheCorky42090 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Why's the employee have to to be "disgruntled"? As I heard it was just an employee.

    • @dylangordon7472
      @dylangordon7472 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      because the supposed reason they leaked was because of unfavorable working conditions at the time.

    • @TheMarc1k1
      @TheMarc1k1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      No dude, the problem is the self-righteous asshole who knows full well the damage he could do to the company and to his co-workers careers and does it anyway out of spite. If he was in any way decent or professional he should of approached his bosses and talked to them about the conditions or gathered other co-workers who felt the same to get some backing - the dude's a nutsack.

    • @cocobarbarian1510
      @cocobarbarian1510 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I really don't understand the disgruntled employee. he was mad at them because they treated him bad or whatever but instead of talking to a journalist about the bad treatment he just goes anonomously talk about the game they're making

  • @blacktommer3543
    @blacktommer3543 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1041

    Wow, one person almost took down an entire studio just out of spite.

    • @GGMK2002
      @GGMK2002 5 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      Spite is stupid

    • @IceSwagBiscuits
      @IceSwagBiscuits 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      WOOMY!

    • @kenetickups6146
      @kenetickups6146 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Blacktommer35 If only Kojima did that

    • @zero-gi6gp
      @zero-gi6gp 5 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Kenetic Kups the thing is, konami did it for him (in the gaming scene). Even if he tried to pull something off their massive PACHINKO division would've remained unscathed. Kojima went with the wise choice and took his entire studio with him to another company.

    • @ValensBellator
      @ValensBellator 5 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      What a selfish prick! I don't know what his working conditions were, but if you're irritated with them quit your damn job... douchebag endangered everyone else's jobs and tanked the company.
      Seriously, if you want to just out this dude just this once I won't blame you lol

  • @peopleperson3599
    @peopleperson3599 5 ปีที่แล้ว +586

    A bit ironic that a game revolving around shooting water was cancelled due to leaks

    • @1JAM229
      @1JAM229 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      *People Person* Not really. A game about shooting water does not make the information about it less likely to leak.

    • @TheMindOfThomas
      @TheMindOfThomas 5 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      JAM229 woooosh

    • @aveionwilson1513
      @aveionwilson1513 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      JAM229 B O Y

    • @JohnCharlesMartinIII
      @JohnCharlesMartinIII 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      TheMindOfThomas No he's right, it's not ironic. Most people think irony (specifically situational irony) is something that is unexpected, surprising, coincidental, hypocritical, contradictory, or even fitting, but aren't the correct definitions. The definition is: an incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result. The example that OP made doesn't fit this definition at all. So many people have trouble with this word but try to act like they know to try to seem intelligent.

    • @autonomousanonymous6310
      @autonomousanonymous6310 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@JohnCharlesMartinIII appreciate the lecture mr english major

  • @Ben-do1bf
    @Ben-do1bf 5 ปีที่แล้ว +212

    So basically, one person's spitefulness led to most of a studio getting fired?

    • @jasonfanclub4267
      @jasonfanclub4267 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes.

    • @jasonfanclub4267
      @jasonfanclub4267 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The studio signs a contract that they don't leak anything

    • @kildaver
      @kildaver 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Ever hear the phrase "loose lips sink ships"? That's what this situation became.

    • @SquishyZoran
      @SquishyZoran 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      kildaver I bet nobody since the 80s has heard of it.

  • @kienesel7
    @kienesel7 5 ปีที่แล้ว +572

    I don't know what this leaker went through in the company but ruining the livelihoods of dozens that had likely nothing to do with it was irresponsible, immature and pathetic.

    • @Azuris190
      @Azuris190 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      You are absolute right.
      I have such A-Holes in my Company, they walking to the Doctor and staying Home, saying they want to hurt the Company.
      But others have to do their Jobs, if they do not, because they stay at Home.
      The same Level of irresponsible Egoism.

    • @meteora_od6749
      @meteora_od6749 5 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      Azuris190 your... your random capitalization makes me uncomfortable

    • @KazeNoKlonoa0
      @KazeNoKlonoa0 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      It's not random though. All the nouns are capitalized, like in German for example.

    • @huttj509
      @huttj509 5 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      If they had leaked the working conditions they found objectionable, I'd have sympathy. But this was just a "screw you" move.

    • @KaiserMattTygore927
      @KaiserMattTygore927 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      "If they had leaked the working conditions they found objectionable"
      Literally nothing would be done about that whatsoever, this happens all the time and companies ignore it 99% of the time.
      The dude did the only thing that would've changed things which was hurt their bottom line.

  • @BriHarded
    @BriHarded 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1310

    Damn, no wonder Nintendo's so tight-lipped. They'll literally cancel games if you leak something.

    • @KingTaltia
      @KingTaltia 5 ปีที่แล้ว +314

      Well, yeah, it's why the Hype trains for so many of their games go so well. Smash bros games always have their fans excited beyond means during the lead-up tot heir games, and the pokemon fanbase clamors over a new entry to the main series. Hype is a very delicate thing that NEEDS to be managed, like a High Pressure water line, these "leaks" hinder the ability to handle the pressure effectively, leading to a trickle or a torrent that can damage something, A game just falls off the radar if too low, but if too high it becomes No Man's Sky, or Duke Nukem Forever.

    • @MykiiMescal
      @MykiiMescal 5 ปีที่แล้ว +128

      lightningbro this was a beautiful metaphorical way of explaining why leaks are dangerous

    • @Daemonnoob
      @Daemonnoob 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      i hope they cancel smash ultimate now

    • @CottidaeSEA
      @CottidaeSEA 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      I think it depends on what is leaked, but the problem is hype like lightningbro mentioned. It's a blessing and a curse. While hype is good for publicity, the problem is when expectations are set too high as a result. Nintendo wants to carefully show things so that it's in a more controlled environment. Otherwise it could simply be too volatile.

    • @Daemonnoob
      @Daemonnoob 5 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      i mean leakers are probably the reason why sakurai feels the need to reveal every little detail of the new smash, which actually sucks.

  • @metwarz
    @metwarz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +374

    man that really sucks. while its interesting to see that this might have been the reason splatoon was created in the first place, its just sucks to see this company lose its big potential project just due to one person leaking some details. that one person literally screwed over a lot of people in that company. It's a shame because I would have loved to see how this concept could have been fleshed out because the world already started to sound pretty great. I am glad though that all of those leaks back in 2011 are finally fully explained, cause I remember when those details first surfaced.

    • @NitroIndigo
      @NitroIndigo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Justice for Unnamed Robot Shooter!

    • @Cubbypower
      @Cubbypower 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      WHY DONT WE MAKE IT

    • @smg4reblooperd182
      @smg4reblooperd182 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Cubby Master will if you Could get in some Contact to some Good indi Programmers that are good in First Party Shooters & 3rd Party Platforms Because if that happens then I can definitely get some people for the soundtrack. I can also help with the Concept art needed to make the Models
      To start with I think the Main Character would be Robo-Bun, a small Cute Bunny Robot who's Mission is to save his brainwashed Pals from the Evil virus A.I Coretex who acts as mother Brain for most Robotics
      If in Split screen Mutiplayer I could see
      Ralphie the Raccoon P2
      Cathy the Cat P3
      Protocon P4
      Of Worlds
      World 1 Would be like Concept Art with the Boss being Wesley Riding a Fish Bot
      Word 5: A Junkyard, Ya I mean the one with Gears and Dead or rather Undead Autos and Robos
      World 6: a Clock Tower with Jazz Music and lots of Golden Gears (wait should Golden gears be a Collective item?
      World 7: The Core, in short your in Coretex's Digital World and it's here where we Finally Stop him.

    • @rashidisw
      @rashidisw 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      For gamer it isn't much of loss, splatoon was turn out better than any concepts that HV has churned out.

    • @wonderkabuse
      @wonderkabuse 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You can never know that though. Keep in mind that early concept of Splatoon started out with Rabbits. A lot of things can change in a 3-4 year development cycle. The big takeaway is that it's great that we have Splatoon but it's shitty that some ass clown went and blew a whole studio out of the water and jeopardized peoples' livelihoods over a leak.
      The early concepts are interesting and robots wasn't a bad idea. who knows what this IP could of been under Nintendo's guidance. Especially when it wasn't considered to be multiplayer.

  • @robertpoole9707
    @robertpoole9707 5 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    So THAT'S why Inklings die when falling into water...

    • @CristianMartinez-rg9sz
      @CristianMartinez-rg9sz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And water gets rid of paint so :/

    • @neilisbored2177
      @neilisbored2177 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Because they're robots?

    • @Brawltendo
      @Brawltendo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I came here to see if someone else noticed that too. I'm glad I wasn't the only one.

    • @mannycampos6885
      @mannycampos6885 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Robert Poole no

    • @mannycampos6885
      @mannycampos6885 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Inkling/ octolings CAN be in water but there weakness is colored ink

  • @RogersBase
    @RogersBase 5 ปีที่แล้ว +671

    Crazy to know the full story about this now after seeing that GoNintendo article from YEARS ago.

    • @IceSwagBiscuits
      @IceSwagBiscuits 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Roger! Love your content man!
      Thanks for providing me so much entertainment throughout the years :)

    • @mintybin
      @mintybin 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      all this info came like a surprise to me 😂😂😂

  • @RSSpeacemaker
    @RSSpeacemaker 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    It really is heart breaking for me that HighVoltage could've worked with Nintendo similar to how Rare did back in the day. HighVoltage really could've revolutionized the way aiming with a gun worked in video games. Seriously. The controls for the conduit games were stellar. Almost better than main stream titles like Halo and Call of Duty to some degree.

    • @Compucles
      @Compucles 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Halo games never had motion controls, so of course the Conduit games controlled better; but yeah it really is a highly underrated duology (especially the second game), and it's a real shame that the story will always end on that massive cliffhanger.

  • @KingTaltia
    @KingTaltia 5 ปีที่แล้ว +108

    This honestly makes me so sad, everything with this from the Water-centric world design, to Megaman inspired characters looks SO good. Sad to see that, at bare minimum, this incarnation of the idea will never flourish.

    • @NitroIndigo
      @NitroIndigo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Someone could make a spiritual successor.

    • @KingTaltia
      @KingTaltia 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I hope, it looks gorgeous.

    • @ro-337
      @ro-337 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It had promise for sure.

    • @smg4reblooperd182
      @smg4reblooperd182 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      lightningbro well Honesty I'm Collecting Failed Projects like these to make in the Future. I feel if the Robots were Chibi Animals like Cats and Bunnys it Could work

    • @KingTaltia
      @KingTaltia 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hah, we're of like minds then. I feel it would do well even on it's own. so as those commercials go "Porque no las dos?" (Why not both?)

  • @fireaza
    @fireaza 5 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    In the end, it was probably for the best. An original game like Splatoon doesn't get made by a studio with years of experience making shooters, it gets made by people who are inexperienced. Their inexperience means they're more open to trying concepts that would never be explored in a traditional shooter.

    • @agentsquid9079
      @agentsquid9079 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah I see what you mean. It even applies to real life. Because if your stuck doing something one way, how will you ever come up with a new path? You’ll might end up repeating the same thing. It takes the less knowledgeable.

  • @Rethardus
    @Rethardus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I really like the extensive research seen in this video. Most of the time it's secondary, even tertiary sources; sometimes even incorrect. You went out your way to uncover secrets that have never been published before. Keep up the good work!

  • @justwannapost69
    @justwannapost69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The fact that a decade after the fact the leaker is still to much of a coward to take responsibility for his own actions shows he knows he is in the wrong. If he's willing to say it was due to poor work conditions, what was the plan after the leak? How did illegally leaking information help your life, or the lives of your coworkers? I'm sure there's an element of moral responsibility to sources, but reporting the truth is about holding people accountable for their actions.

    • @wonderkabuse
      @wonderkabuse 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah like literally nothing changed. It's not like the person had no examples of 'how it's done'. You just tell Kotaku or whatever outlet willing to listen details about the working conditions of the workplace and how bad it is and they do the rest for you. Blowing up one of the rare times Nintendo actually CONTACTS you to contract and fund your game to stick it to management was dumb as hell.
      Nothing got better, people got laid off and it's horribly crippled the studio since. Insane.

  • @DOCTOR.DEADHEAD
    @DOCTOR.DEADHEAD 5 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    This is why leakers are the worst. They'll do it for their own selfish reasons and disregard how it could potentially affect others who have nothing to do with it. I've never seen a case where someone had a just reason to leak something.

    • @NintenMan01
      @NintenMan01 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Umeko The person who narrated this episode is a well known leaker. LUL

    • @DOCTOR.DEADHEAD
      @DOCTOR.DEADHEAD 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      That's great and all but it doesn't change anything.

    • @404nonexistent
      @404nonexistent 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      But what of someone who leaks evidence of horrible mismanagement or overworked developer conditions?

    • @MrMelon-ew4lu
      @MrMelon-ew4lu 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Umeko so liam is selfish?

    • @DOCTOR.DEADHEAD
      @DOCTOR.DEADHEAD 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      TDA WatrMelon - I can't say that, since I don't know the guy and have no right to judge, but he could be the biggest sweetheart in the world for all I care. Leaking something while knowing you could take innocent employees down with you, or in other cases, datamining and ruining a game's huge surprise because you were too impatient to wait, still isn't a good thing.

  • @miileafy3187
    @miileafy3187 5 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    That leaker has caused so much trouble, I feel pity for High Voltage. :'(

    • @KaiserMattTygore927
      @KaiserMattTygore927 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They made some cool games, but if they were treating their employees like dogshit, I can't feel too much sympathy.

  • @derjaxx5302
    @derjaxx5302 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    The reason there was no story mode in smash 4 was supposdly becuse sakurai was still butthurt about the leaks on supspace mode

    • @MoisesCharles
      @MoisesCharles 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's the excuse he said. Whether it's true or false, that's pretty stupid of Sakurai-- just for different reasons.

  • @hewhosays7979
    @hewhosays7979 5 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    This is cool and all, but I'm glad we got Splatoon instead.

    • @starwarsgod68
      @starwarsgod68 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I would've wanted the robot idea more

    • @Arkatox
      @Arkatox 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I would have wanted both, unrealistic as it may be.

    • @EtanMarlin
      @EtanMarlin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Arkatox true

  • @lukemoonwalker8444
    @lukemoonwalker8444 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Dude I want this game, even if it's just singleplayer, robots playing with waterguns, you kidding ?

  • @Igorcastrochucre
    @Igorcastrochucre 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    The one time the leak has malicious intent, it actually does damage to the ones that allowed it to happen.

    • @mokana713
      @mokana713 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Igorowan I don't think this is the only time someone has sabotaged projects by leaking information.

    • @Igorcastrochucre
      @Igorcastrochucre 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, I can't think of another instance of "Project failed to get into production because of leaks".

    • @clark5317
      @clark5317 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Igorowan Maybe because no one has shed light on it yet? For all we know, a random leak back in 2014 revealed some crazy day that would be coming out today, but never happened.

  • @falconbox
    @falconbox 5 ปีที่แล้ว +225

    That zoom transition at 2:43 though :)

  • @joserics
    @joserics 5 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    Wow... What a wasted opportunity for high voltage...

    • @shinren_
      @shinren_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Joserics well i sure as hell would not have bought their game splatoon >>>>

  • @fact-factcheck4680
    @fact-factcheck4680 5 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    Honestly I feel.like this concept would still work, it's different enough from Splatoon

    • @Damain2-big_brother
      @Damain2-big_brother 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Anthonï _ I would love to play it

    • @chopsmccartney6786
      @chopsmccartney6786 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Anthonï _ Hey, I found you elsewhere! Despite the fact that I haven't played either Splatoon game, the concept seems interesting enough for me to follow.

    • @shinren_
      @shinren_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Anthonï _ i wouldnt buy it tho splatoon is better

    • @Alias_Anybody
      @Alias_Anybody 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Give it a slight touch of steampunk, design everything around water, make it singleplayer first as well as first person. That would be different enough.

    • @1r0zz
      @1r0zz 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      it seems it was more focused on single player and did not feature the "ink covering" mechanic...
      this and splatoon are pretty much completely different...

  • @Dracomut
    @Dracomut 5 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    I like how despite the numerous arguments and inconsolable factions in gaming culture, almost everyone agrees leaks are terrible and nobody approves of leakers even if they give good information.

    • @kronos3129
      @kronos3129 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I’ve noticed that a lot of people are saying leaks are bad, but will get excited over Smash Ultimate leaks and some will even start fake leaks and rumors themselves

    • @jerm70
      @jerm70 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Here is the thing. People can get excited over leaks and still condemn it. There are very few times a leak is warranted and to do so out of a sense of misplaced justice is wrong.

    • @kronos3129
      @kronos3129 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I guess what I mean is that I get excited over leaks too, but I think a lot of people don’t understand what can happen if a major leak gets out. I think people want attention nowadays and don’t realize that leaking stuff can lead to MAJOR consequences, like an entire game getting cancelled and the loss of a bunch of jobs.

    • @ericselim254
      @ericselim254 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Untrue, leakers of old game prototypes and content are awesome for doing a service to fans and helping history preservation. They don't hurt the companies or employees since it's old stuff pertaining old games.

  • @JoelBurger
    @JoelBurger 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    As much as it sucks that so many people suffered (and are still suffering) because of one spiteful guy, I have to agree with the other guy quoted towards the end. High Voltage isn't exactly a standout studio, and The Conduit probably wouldn't even have been recognized if not for the novelty of it being on the Wii; there is no way whatever they would have made could have measured up to what Splatoon ended up being.

    • @busterhiman582
      @busterhiman582 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah but look up the story behind Retro Studios. Literal stripper parties and shitty concept demos. Then Nintendo came in and cracked their whips and we got Metroid fuckin Prime, a masterpiece.

  • @doraeguyakaneddie6586
    @doraeguyakaneddie6586 5 ปีที่แล้ว +328

    No Woomys were harmed in the making of this video

  • @theworldaccordingtosamuel1752
    @theworldaccordingtosamuel1752 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So cool when you guys personally interview people. It means youre not just relying on a google search to get your information and that dedication really shines through in your videos.

    • @LiamRproductions
      @LiamRproductions 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi. I made this video and all of my videos are like this.

  • @KrisKrisKrisKrisKris
    @KrisKrisKrisKrisKris 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    this is such a good series idea i'm looking forward to more of this so so much

  • @oak3684
    @oak3684 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I feel sorry for what happened to the company due to the leak incident, but at the same time, I can't help but be happy because we may have gotten a generic water gun shooter instead of the all-ink-one Splatoon had the project gone through (not assuming that the robot game is going to turn out bad, but I believe it would just be another shooter with a more unique setting).
    If that robot game gets made and sells well, Nintendo would stick to that setting. On the other hand, if it fails, Nintendo may be afraid to try to revive the idea again. Either way, I'd say there's a very high chance that Splatoon will never come to be if that robot game gets made.

  • @Simok1234
    @Simok1234 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is a real eye opener for me. As much as I love Splatoon, it really is a shame that such a humble studio like High Voltage lost an opportunity like this. It's especially depressing since they haven't released anything that original since 2011 besides some VR and mobile stuff.

  • @dajosh42069
    @dajosh42069 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic work as always Liam!! :D

  • @FrankTankMusic
    @FrankTankMusic 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Liam, I like your content and stuff, but I know you're quite big in the leaks business. Don't you feel that sometimes leaking is a harmful thing to do?

  • @alyxer3349
    @alyxer3349 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Well, thanks to the person who leaked information now we have Splatoon and Splatoon 2

  • @mrbigtimegammer
    @mrbigtimegammer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The controls in that FPS reminded me of Golden Eye 007 and Perfect Dark, so much nostalgia suddenly flowed back. Those two games were center of my childhood and the wonder of exploring the levels in attempt to finding new gadgets appealed to me.

  • @SnowyNowak
    @SnowyNowak 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish that leakers would realize how much damage they can do to a company in their quest for self-satisfaction. One internal leaker at High Voltage ruined the ENTIRE studio.

  • @Viantastic
    @Viantastic 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    couldn't be happier regardless

    • @coroika
      @coroika 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      why

  • @StopChangingUsernamesYouTube
    @StopChangingUsernamesYouTube 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Let this be a lesson to anyone contracted to work on potentially cool super-secret projects: Shush!
    And a lesson to anyone wanting to tank a project: Yeah, this is unfortunately a pretty good way to do that.

  • @ShadyNine
    @ShadyNine 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always a great, well researched video Liam!

  • @MegaManNeo
    @MegaManNeo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great content there, really enjoyed to hear about the concept ideas to Splatoon.
    Also yay for Tofu Footage!
    Haven't seen it before 😂

  • @bandicootsauce4569
    @bandicootsauce4569 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    1:03 I'm still waiting for that particular Zelda game to become a reality.

    • @cosmosofinfinity
      @cosmosofinfinity 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too... There's so much Breath of the Wild does that makes it feel like it's not even a Zelda game. More like Skyrim.

  • @MajoraZ
    @MajoraZ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I'm going to be honest, i typically don't enjoy didyouknowgaming's videos since they just tend to be lists of pretty commonly known info, but this was a really interesting video about a legitimately obscure topic and you guys did actual investigative work. Please do more content like this.

    • @LiamRproductions
      @LiamRproductions 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hi Jabber. I am the creator of this video and the Game History Secrets series. I'm glad that you liked this video. All of my content is in this vein. If you liked it, please check out more of the videos on the playlists on my channel.

  • @jeroenboth167
    @jeroenboth167 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw the article before it was removed. Never knew about the history of splatoon. Great video

  • @eksmad
    @eksmad 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    HOLY.... this is the best and most interesting video this channel has ever made. Thanks.

  • @andrethedoubleviciousgiant5805
    @andrethedoubleviciousgiant5805 5 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Tofu
    Terfer
    Turf War

    • @Soup_SSB
      @Soup_SSB 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      *awoken*

    • @bunabobby
      @bunabobby 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It’s just pure coincidence

    • @neilisbored2177
      @neilisbored2177 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tofu sounds like what you'd get trying to translate the sounds into japanese because language is complicated.

  • @Jamberite
    @Jamberite 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I hope whoever did the leak gets exposed and is never trusted in the industry again.

    • @darknes4150
      @darknes4150 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Jamberite even better if high voltage sues for the damages he caused

    • @Jamberite
      @Jamberite 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hell yeah.

  • @danielbakergill
    @danielbakergill 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am impressed with the investigative rigor of this production in particular. Inspiring.

  • @Medachod
    @Medachod 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That robot game looks way more appealing than Splatoon to me. It would have been amazing to see it finished and I got excited throughout the whole video until I forgot it was discussing a cancelled video game. It may have even helped the Wii U better since those games were really starting to peak around that time. Whether or not it could have saved it is unknown, but it may have sold just a few million more since it's essentially a Splatoon--esque game coming a few years earlier. Besides the concept itself, people were surprised about a Nintendo shooting game, so it may have done pretty well.
    I would say I want it to resurface someday, but there is just no way it could do well now with Splatoon existing. But, Nintendo has made multiple platformers before, so I do not see any reason why they could not make more shooter games. And this robot game should really be salvaged for the future. Funny that a game about water was ruined by leaks.
    These guys would have been fun to play in Super Smash Bros.

  • @PassTheSnails
    @PassTheSnails 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Your whole intro is based around a track from earthbound. Nice.

  • @turdsoda4915
    @turdsoda4915 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Ironic a game about water was ruined by leaks...

    • @1JAM229
      @1JAM229 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      *Turd Soda* No it isn't because it's not the same kind of leak. Also, this information is not less likely to leak just because it's a game about water.

    • @aveionwilson1513
      @aveionwilson1513 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      JAM229 🤦🏾‍♂️

    • @tiredcat8782
      @tiredcat8782 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@1JAM229 🤦‍♀️

    • @FlareSouL
      @FlareSouL 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      JAM229 that joke went so over your head ya know

    • @tiredcat8782
      @tiredcat8782 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@1JAM229 /r/wooosh

  • @alexin3dable
    @alexin3dable 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    WOW! This video is an awesome piece of information i didnt know!!! thx!!

  • @LeoCurtis
    @LeoCurtis 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really interesting video, thank you!

  • @Lucas-db2jq
    @Lucas-db2jq 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This Liam guy, narrating this episode... Isn't he the guy that leaked the Mario + Rabbids game?
    The same leak that got the Ubisoft developers extremely sad and uncouraged?

    • @LiamRproductions
      @LiamRproductions 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mario + Rabbids was leaked by Ubisoft employees. I only wrote about those leaks. Pretty significant difference.

  • @ClassicFrank
    @ClassicFrank 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It's crazy how mistakes can ultimately lead to the reason for something being created!

    • @RedBarron1253
      @RedBarron1253 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      How is intentionally leaking a game with malicious intent a mistake?

    • @ClassicFrank
      @ClassicFrank 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Aesir, God of Chaos Because it shouldn't have happened.

  • @MidoriMushrooms
    @MidoriMushrooms 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Knowing what I do about many of the terrible working conditions in the game industry, I'm gonna side with the employee. I think the fact none of their peers ratted them out probably says a lot more about the situation than anything else, consider that it was likely a sentiment not held by just one dude if the working conditions really were poor. Consider also that companies have many layers, and whoever nintendo spoke to was probably insulated from the lower ones by a department manager, and a department manager who sees their workers struggle with bad working conditions every day is likely not gonna say shit when his boss comes knocking and demands he throw someone under the bus, and their boss probably doesn't know the department well enough to start properly snooping. This is especially worth considering if someone had held erasing evidence.
    And no, you can't just go "get another job", it's not that simple with careers where you actually have to WORK for a position. Moving companies can often mean moving long distances from home, or taking a job with significantly less pay, or losing your company position and having to climb back up. That can take years, by the way, and usually you need to have work lined up ahead of time before jumping ship. These are things you won't see advertised randomly because even suggesting you're unhappy with your working conditions in public spaces is gonna risk your career, but know that a lot of voiceless little people suffer for the plastic disks we waste hours of our lives on in ways they shouldn't have to because this industry is rotten to the core and way too many entitled consumers would rather blame the little guys when shit goes tits up instead of direct their anger at the top players like Dear Old Nintendo.

  • @KorenLesthe
    @KorenLesthe 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    As always, your videos are a treasure, Liam !

  • @AngeloRosales64
    @AngeloRosales64 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It is real shame they discontinued this.
    Was it that bad for Nintendo? If it were
    me I’d just continue since no one cared

  • @darkop3191
    @darkop3191 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We got our Woomy and Veemo so in the end it's all good.

  • @MarkTaylorsVersion
    @MarkTaylorsVersion 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing video as usual Liam! I look forward to the next one. And I have one question and I hope it doesn't bother you, but what happened the TW101 video you were planning to do? Is that still going or is it a thing that only Patreons got to enjoy? Thank you!💚

  • @aurafox1
    @aurafox1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The ironic thing about this whole leak situation is that, had the article not been pulled, the leak probably wouldn't have been believed until after the game's reveal. Having the article taken down likely made a lot more people suspicious.

  • @Izandaia
    @Izandaia 5 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Leaks are bad, mmkay?

  • @Azuris190
    @Azuris190 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    That one Person is an absolute Egoist.
    Leaking something and bringing the every Job that is behind the Company into Danger.

  • @FalseSheps
    @FalseSheps 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The memories of the conduit! Was so excited for the multiplayer back in the day with the WiiSpeak peripheral

  • @paulnovacek3715
    @paulnovacek3715 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the intro! So nostalgic!

  • @luckypikachu4892
    @luckypikachu4892 5 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Woomy

  • @dippy_sippy
    @dippy_sippy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Damn, imagine if we jad robots instead of squid waifus

  • @Faapu
    @Faapu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    But at least this concept was able to live on in the masterpiece Senran Kagura: Peach Beach Splash

  • @benmalsky9834
    @benmalsky9834 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really hope the High Voltage people are doing well now that it's been a decade since that leak.

  • @PrincessFelicie
    @PrincessFelicie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I mean... Yeah some peep almost took down an entire studio out of anger for their working conditions, but working conditions are no matter to just brush off. It's downright horrible that it backfired so greatly, but I can't really be mad at them for what they tried to do.

    • @Poefred
      @Poefred 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Sure but do we know what the working condition issues were? Especially when you're a smaller company about to work with Nintendo with a new IP, if it worked out well all their problems could have been solved. Hypothetically of course, like I said I don't know what the problems actually were.

    • @PrincessFelicie
      @PrincessFelicie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't know either, but hoping for daddy Nintendo to just swoop in and fix all the problems was probably not a good strategy either.

    • @Poefred
      @Poefred 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I guess it just depends where the issues were coming from. If it was a result of being a small company that's been struggling then sticking it out to get your big break working with Nintendo should have fixed that. If it's an issue with how the place is ran...even that could very well change with success but they could just talk about it probably.

    • @PrincessFelicie
      @PrincessFelicie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My guess is they probably had talked about it already. I mean, leaking sounds like already-tried-everything-else material.

    • @ConstantlyKenny
      @ConstantlyKenny 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If they had already tried talking about it , I think High Voltage would have been able to figure out who the leaker was. If he honestly though he was in the right because he exhausted all his options I don't think he would remain anon years after the fact.

  • @mjc0961
    @mjc0961 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Considering the utter failure of the Wii U, I wonder if this leak canceling their project and moving them away from Nintendo and onto Xbox and PlayStation wasn't a blessing in disguise. Doesn't sound like they feel that way though.

    • @MoisesCharles
      @MoisesCharles 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think you know what "utter failure" is...
      You always know a dumb Wii U hater when you hear one...

  • @AlterBridgeJericho
    @AlterBridgeJericho 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Pretty fucking ironic getting Liam to narrate when he leaked Mario + Rabbids? The team behind it said they feared the worst when they heard the leaks.

  • @fredmarkus8002
    @fredmarkus8002 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    We had also a paint based shooter concept at Disney to make a game for everyone but we stopped it because it did not go anywhere. Just not good enough, the regular more guns, more types of liquid crap that anyone can list while sitting in the toilets for 10 minutes. The real breakthrough is from Nintendo. A typical horizontal solutions, something that solves many many problems all at once. Diving into the paint to hide, recharge, go faster, climb walls, go under fences and so on. This is real genius. Once they got that, they develop characters to fit the gameplay, 'humans' to 'squids', not the other way around. They are just so f...g good.

  • @ConnorEatsPants
    @ConnorEatsPants 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Emperor Palpatine: *Ironic*

    • @misterzygarde6431
      @misterzygarde6431 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      ConnorEatsPants say if Nintendo were to have bought the Banjo and Conker IP’s and the Gravity Rush IP’s alongside Project Siren (The Developers of Gravity Rush) and it got leaked. Would the leaker get believed?

  • @vladtepes2667
    @vladtepes2667 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Woomy Veemo woomy Veemo fire. Splats Splaaffy buck.

  • @June28July
    @June28July 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    That idea of robots with water guns sounds awesome! Hope HV can pursue it on their own one day.

  • @RG7621
    @RG7621 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting. One of those stories that makes you think everything happens for a reason

  • @jesuspg183
    @jesuspg183 5 ปีที่แล้ว +182

    Good, because i prefer the cute squid and octo girls

    • @sahhdsful
      @sahhdsful 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      BASED

    • @DuBstepAnDa98
      @DuBstepAnDa98 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Shirokuro Max Every other comment is talking shit about the person who leaked the game and then we have you lol
      I definitely agree with you tho

    • @perkypears
      @perkypears 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      it’s hard to say it cause yeah its really sad that a company so excited to make a big project like that got shut down because of 1 rat bastard. but on the other hand let’s be honest with ourselves Splatoon is probably better than what they were gonna make

    • @bobtom1495
      @bobtom1495 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Oh...I get it...you're a racist....against robots...robotlivesmatter...

    • @genocidalsmoothie1554
      @genocidalsmoothie1554 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shirokuro Max Why you no like Samonaids

  • @n00bsstuff36
    @n00bsstuff36 5 ปีที่แล้ว +347

    Thank god it failed. There wasn't much rule 34 material with those robots...

    • @loifester
      @loifester 5 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      N00B's Stuff The squids are 14...

    • @mex321
      @mex321 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Thats what you think...!

    • @loifester
      @loifester 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Pink Mushroom no really, look it up. (How old are the inklings in splatoon)

    • @livium9149
      @livium9149 5 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Severe Oofington
      Shhhhhhh... It's all legal in Japan...

    • @mex321
      @mex321 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      My comment was actually a reply to N00B's comment lol.
      Your comment wasn't there yet by then.

  • @Alibaba-he7ro
    @Alibaba-he7ro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the idea of a water gun game where you have to fry robot circuits, but Splatoon is better

  • @xJC4Rx
    @xJC4Rx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:43 Nice zoom in

  • @Nagatem
    @Nagatem 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    "Veemo"

  • @ZVAARI
    @ZVAARI 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I know this is important video game trivia but I feel like you shouldn't have posted this. You've said that you managed to identify the source of the leak and now that this story is relevant again, it could start a witch hunt.

    • @gamephreak5
      @gamephreak5 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      So what? Let the hunt begin and let the leaker finally be punished! Screw 'im!

    • @letopcat2618
      @letopcat2618 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I doubt anyone will find the identity of the leaker.

    • @jamesg6660
      @jamesg6660 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      gamephreak5 See, this is exactly the kind of thing they're talking about. The internet has such a unhealthy, self-righteous culture. Don't get me wrong, if someone's done something bad they deserve punishment for it. But people are so willing to destroying a person's entire life nowadays over any little thing in a stupid, justice-seeking witch-hunt. Particularly with something that happened so long ago, just shut up and leave it, and the "culprit", be.

    • @dillamadukes21
      @dillamadukes21 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The leaker single handedly disrupted/destroyed the lives of dozens of his fellow co-workers over a personal issue he had with upper management; I wouldn't consider that level of malevolent behavior as some minor transgression. Video game enthusiasts, game studios and publishers should relish the opportunity to learn the identity of these types of people because all they do is cause chaos, destroy once in a lifetime opportunities, and worst of all, ROB CONSUMERS of potentially great experiences.

    • @LiamRproductions
      @LiamRproductions 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      There is no threat of the leaker's identity being revealed. They don't even work at High Voltage anymore and High Voltage has no reason to pursue them.

  • @NitroIndigo
    @NitroIndigo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know the opening theme is Saturn Valley from EarthBound, but for a moment my mind registered it as something from Eledees.

  • @wonderkabuse
    @wonderkabuse 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So basically an internal employee who didn't know how to keep their mouth shut ruined it for everyone.
    Damn that really sucks.

  • @severeenjoyment6775
    @severeenjoyment6775 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Ahem... “First Party Shooter”?

    • @cin2110
      @cin2110 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mister Ambulance Driver more of a second party

    • @cytron5854
      @cytron5854 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mister Ambulance Driver i think he meant first person shooter lol

    • @neb1745
      @neb1745 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The first person to ever shoot up a party to be specific.

    • @LiamRproductions
      @LiamRproductions 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      No, I meant first party.

    • @LiamRproductions
      @LiamRproductions 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yes. A shooter that is a first party project. Nothing wrong with that phrase at all.

  • @pixellord2370
    @pixellord2370 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Lol it's the complete opposite of splatoon

  • @WiiSage
    @WiiSage 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man i miss the conduit series, that cliffhanger after Conduit 2 was such a tease

  • @slowpokefriedrice
    @slowpokefriedrice 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder what that other robot game could’ve been like. Splatoon is one of my favorite game franchises now and it’s so addicting, I’ve spent 100+ hours on both games so I can’t imagine what it would be like without Splatoon....

  • @simito97
    @simito97 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    why is the t-shirt of the one guy censored?

    • @TotalInsanity4
      @TotalInsanity4 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      simito97 probably had a brand name or something?

    • @MrSHADOWfox99
      @MrSHADOWfox99 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They probably we're not sponsored or it was something inappropriate.

    • @thefroyukenfiles3641
      @thefroyukenfiles3641 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Part of the design. Just like all the blurry shirts in early 90s gangsta rap videos. :P

    • @EnergyTK
      @EnergyTK 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      any logo will be censored in stuff like that

    • @AmberAmbwee
      @AmberAmbwee 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can anyone tell what his shirt is?

  • @sandmaneyes
    @sandmaneyes 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Save a job, don't leak stuff.

    • @404nonexistent
      @404nonexistent 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pazzo, That Fool - Unless it's government/corporate corruption. ;)

  • @hwtvi3466
    @hwtvi3466 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I _love_ Splatoon, but I admittedly wonder how the original idea would’ve turned out.

  • @TJK10
    @TJK10 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It wasn’t until much later that we got our true water-gun third person shooter, via Senran Kagura.

  • @TheCorky42090
    @TheCorky42090 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was the leaker. IT WAS ME! AND I'D DO IT ALL AGAIN TOO!

  • @Fortuna1
    @Fortuna1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    When nintendo continue living in the 50's

    • @somaika
      @somaika 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      FortunaChan what do you mean?

    • @jamesg6660
      @jamesg6660 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What the heck are you even talking about? "It's the age of the internet Nintendo, get with the times and accept that people leak stuff online"? Is that we're you're getting at here? Because if so that's stupid. No company likes their stuff leaking, even nowadays. Just because something's easy to do nowadays, it doesn't mean you need to lay down and accept it. Besides this happened over 10 years ago.

  • @neemis7796
    @neemis7796 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm kinda glad the project didn't work out, Splatoon is my FAVORITE game, and I don't like the idea of robots as much as squidkids, but it is pretty cool to learn about what could have been.

  • @zelotofftheeel8912
    @zelotofftheeel8912 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Waterguns will leak sometimes, but they're easy to refill

  • @catriamflockentanz
    @catriamflockentanz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    0:11 Wait, what?
    How was the Wii U the experiment of two screen gaming?
    The Nintendo DS and Nintendo 3DS came before!
    And we had LAN god knows how far before that...

    • @gameman250
      @gameman250 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The DS and 3DS is two screens to yourself and nobody else. The Wii U gave one player a personal screen/controller and left others to utilize a bigger TV screen. It was an experimentation in asymmetrical gameplay, though hardly the first and only time they did such a thing (various 1v3 Mario Party minigames come to mind).

    • @Soup_SSB
      @Soup_SSB 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't forget the game and watch!!!

    • @Poefred
      @Poefred 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well that kinda does give a bit of an answer as to why Nintendo didn't have a proper focus with the wii U going in.

    • @cosmosofinfinity
      @cosmosofinfinity 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He also said Splatoon was ONE of the best new IP to come from the Wii U... but let's face it. Splatoon is the ONLY good new IP to come from the Wii U.

    • @garnet4253
      @garnet4253 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      wonderful 101

  • @cardboardboat5831
    @cardboardboat5831 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Ooof

  • @timogul
    @timogul 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    A game that takes place in DC and has an accurately depicted DC metro, I'm sold.

  • @bananachild1936
    @bananachild1936 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Leaks were made, a project was cancelled, and in turn, we got an awesome game called Splatoon (which I haven't actually played yet..)
    But there's a lesson to be learned here, and that is to not leak development stuffs if you don't want a potential great game/sequel/game mode (i.e Smash 4 story mode) to be cancelled