Thanks to Matt reeves that when the studio hired him, they wanted the movie be set in a more distant future and less focus on ceaser. But Matt Reeves’s wanted to focus on ceaser development as a character so he re-wrote the whole script and made into the not so distant future to see ceaser progression as a character. He made this and war of the planets of the apes into one of the greatest sequels/trilogy.
@@donnerschwein well we don’t know if the new movie or trilogy will suck. To me the trailer looks interesting but who knows really. Maybe it’ll be good….i hope
The grizzly thing makes complete sense, without humans pushing them north they would most likely move back into their historic habitat which used to include all of 13 states, from both Dakota's and Nebraska on the east all the way west to all of the west coast, half Kansas, and the west parts of Oklahoma and Texas and as far south as Chihuahua Mexico. Grizzlies used to be a much larger issue, barely any humans around they'll take it back and they're bringing the Pizzlies with them.
True, they would return south. However, it's essential to consider that it's only 10 years after the first movie. The rapid resurgence of grizzlies within less than a decade since the fall of society is quite remarkable.
@@dagorren I think 10 years for a spread, not re:pop but just spread it would be like 2020 again when we were getting reports of wildlife roaming the streets of various countries and Dolphins returned to Venice
@@dagorren ten years? Have you completely forgotten covid? Animals changed their patterns within a few months without humans around. Ten years would be more than enough.
It's really amazing, that this isn't typical "us vs them" movie. You can understand both humans and apes in this movie. You see how they all have flaws, and you realize their actions are not based on inherent evil, but stems from years of hurt.
The major reason it wouldn't be called "typical" is because the leads on both sides are trying to avoid it. What's far more impressive to me is this is a very easy franchise for using "humans are the real monsters" as the primary message, but Koba is the most evil character in the movie. I have to admit, War leaning into that theme makes it my least favorite. The villain is interesting to watch but they don't give him the depth to carry that movie, and the overwhelming majority of it is kinda just Caeser in a cage.
Maurice’s performer is female, but the character is male. “I actually hope some apes get hurt so Koba can see the consequences” Koba: kills Ash for disobeying him, and imprisons those loyal to Caesar, and shoots at the ones abandoning him. Cue Blumberg from Office Space _Yeahhhhhhhh_ Koba’s betrayal is even more heartbreaking reading the prequel novel because it gives Koba’s really sad backstory of abuse and how he comes to have such respect and reverence for Caesar as his liberator and leader and see him as his brother Sadly James Franco’s character and his girlfriend were victims of the virus between films Oldman didn’t get to see the ape’s kinder nature like Malcolm did. The apes under Koba did too much for him to believe there was any chance of not resolving things drastically
I love how the “monkey counter” keeps going up, but Natalie noticed the bear immediately. Did they do all these reactions already or did Tyler just not say anything?😂
I remember being excited seeing the ape-human battle. But then the bodies just started piling up and apes like the gorilla were trying to pull the wounded out of the crossfire and my enjoyment faded. It’s brilliant how this movie made this war so horrifying.
Ape-Human battle? Technically it's just a Ape battle, all in the film are Hominids (Great apes), this family includes us, Humans, before the uprising it was all ready Planet Of The Apes, and after the downfall of Humans it was still Plant Of The Apes, even now with Humans populating near all of Earth, this now is Planet Of The Apes, in real life.
Not just Andy Serkis, but the animation team doesn't get nearly enough credit for the performance Andy may be in a mocap suit, but it's all reference in the end for the animators who have to translate that on to 3D rigs, the lighting artists, technical artists for the fur and environments. You can have the best actor in the world, but if the VFX team is what brings that to life in the CG animation
You should still see the original 60’s first one after this series. It’s the reason they are still making Planet of the Apes films 50 years later and one of the best sci-films ever made.
I love how caeser is so strict yet so compassionate. He’s an excellent example of a true leader. I cant wait until you watch war for the planet of the apes
I don't know how widely known this is, but Koba was Stalin's nickname earlier in his life and inspired the character in many ways, like the resentment he carried from his abusive alcoholic father, and after he left them, his mother having to sleep with their landlord to make rent. "Human work" indeed.
I love this movie so much. It’s probably one of my favorite “franchise” films of all time, if not just one of my favorite films of all time. And to me Koba truly deserves to be in the pantheon of all time great movie villains. So much complexity and depth in the performances.
Fun fact; "Koba" was Stalin's nickname earlier on in his life, and although he never shot him, he certainly was working to undermine and betray Lenin in many ways, so the comparison seems kind of stark when you know the history.
This is the kind of trilogy where I can’t really pick a favorite because each film is crucial to the overall story. But I will say “WAR” is a masterpiece. I hope you enjoy the final film now that your really attached to the characters.
My favorite thing about this movie is that the first shot of the movie, the close up of Caesar's eyes, they are very that of an animal, hunting its prey right? The final shot of the movie, Caesar's eyes look almost hauntingly human. If you look at them side by side its eerie, but for me goes to show just how well thought out every aspect of the movie was.
According to Wiki, Grizzlys have historically been as far south as central Mexico and as far East as Missouri (even further pre ice age), so it's not impossible to imagine that they are as far south as Cali after US society has collapsed.
I think this is the best in the series because it's the most subtle. It's not just good vs evil. Each side had good people trying to work things out, and others that were intensely driven by fear/anxiety (Carver), trauma (Koba), and loss (Dreyfus). What those latter characters do makes sense given their fears. Koba is the most extreme, but he has the most extreme pain, and he was willing to be loyal to Caesar until the fear of human uprising became too great. And then he responds by the only method he understands. Domination, torture and pain. Koba is an all time favorite villain for me. He's ferocious and terrifying, genuinely intelligent, but his decisions also make sense, given his experiences. Looking forward to seeing Natalie react to War. Have tissues ready.
The sad part is, koba is a bonobo; which are widely known to be the more friendlier, pacifistic subspecies of ape as compared to chimps. So it says alot about what he went through in that lab :(
This trilogy is fucking amazing. The second one is my favourite because its such a well constructed concept, the cinematography, the lighting, the soundtrack, the character acting is all top notch. The story line continues onward from the first movie yet feels like a whole new world and deep dive into the mentality of intelligent ape society and Koba and Ceacars dynamic are mmmmWAH perfection!!!
Koba was experimented and tortured ever since he was little so it makes sense he hates humans. Koba and Ceaser's relationship really reminded me of Professor X and Magneto. They both wanted the some thing but went to achieve it in differnt ways. not to mention they were also raised differently. Koba has a much more tragic and traumatic backstory while Ceaser grew up with a good human example as a guardian who took care of him far better than the humans who Koba worked with. Koba is simply a product of his enviornment. It doesn't excuse his actions but it atleast makes it understandable.
This is my favorite of the newer trilogy but the next one is so amazing and emotional; if you felt emotional with this one, the next one’s gonna wreck you.
If you think this film’s gotten you emotional, war for the planet of the apes’ll literally do the same. That movie came out on my birthday 6 years ago, actually. Either way, I’m glad I found your channel all those months ago.
This movie had so much more depth than the last movie. Matt Reeves really has an incredible directing style, and there's so much storytelling being done in this one movie. The next movie is pretty spectacular, too.
Growing up in the 70's(I was born in 71), I watched the original five films on TV and, while I did not understand everything that was happening until I got older, it became a film series that I grew to love and appreciate. I feel the same way about this trilogy as well. They are amazing films and I love Caesar's journey and the phenomenal job Andy Serkis did in bringing Caesar to life. I also love spotting all the references to the original 1968 film with Charlton Heston. It really ties in this trilogy with the 1968 film. I feel like watching all of these films right now.
These films are so good. I can't wait for your reaction to the next one, it's the most brutal and harrowing of all, but so rewarding. Just an incredible trilogy all around.
The scene of Caesar watching the old home video always gets me too. It was like a simpler time for Caesar, there was peace, and all he had to worry about was play time with Will. Now he has all of these responsibilities and now there's war waging, etc...
I am convinced that some post-production companies have zero employees with an interest in, let alone experience of, film-making. They might be fantastic software developers and IT professionals providing a timely service at a reasonable price but they don't have the basic background to understand, let alone respect, why things are framed and lit the way they are. The most infamous example of this is the HD transfer of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Night scenes were brightened up so much it looked like full daylight (especially funny when there's a Vampire not burning on-screen), they changed the colour palette in some scenes (for example from cool blue to warm orange which adds to the daylight impression), and then they went in and unnecessarily chopped entire frames up so that instead of being a medium shot where you can see what the person is looking at in their hand, you had a close-up of their face looking at a key prop for a key plot reason that simply isn't there anymore. That's a pretty extreme example but it's not the only one.
This is such a funny sentence 😂 but its true! You see a representation of what it means to them to keep pushing on, to not give up on electricity, to be human they know how to be, especially after it took so long to get here throughout all of history, just to see the world crumbling around you. And now the apes are at the dawn of their human-adjacent history. Both sides care about their family and about the ones around them even though both sides also have assholes. And you know what's coming, you know power will one day be truly out for the humans, both the power representing the society they built and the power to be masters of their own destiny. And they can't do anything about it even while struggling on the way. It's all such a tragedy.
you were correct with less people in forest animals will move father away from normal ranges, Ive witnessed it first hand during after covid coming across a bear in camp site when never happened before going for years
Hey, new subscriber here. I absolutely loved this franchise with all my heart. The 3rd one is darker and more tragic, and it's just heartbreaking. So this movie emotionally has nothing on War for the planet of the apes, the 3rd one. I cry every time I watch these movies. The close-ups on Ceasar eyes are constant themes in these movies because it's showing how human he's becoming.
Another great reaction. Looking forward to the reaction to War for the Planet of the apes. The writings on the rock wall were meant to mimic the 10 commandments. Caesar is meant to mimic the journey of Moses. All the apes were ordered to be put down, but he was the one who escaped and grew up with adopted human parents, just as moses was adopted and raised by Pahroh. His journey as moses will become even more clear in the final movie of the trilogy. This trilogy really is such a great story.
So it’s safe to say that you know The Ten Commandments film was one of the film influences used for War for the Planet of the Apes because they intended for Caesar to become a Moses ape figure.
@matthewmira3265 It is pretty evident in the movie. The whole trilogy has biblical easter eggs, but War for the Planet of the Apes shows clear inspiration from the story of Moses. And I love that about the film/trilogy. I am not very religious, but I love that story in particular. The Prince of Egypt was a childhood favourite of mine.
You should watch the behind the scenes stuff with the actors on the sound stages in pre-CGI set ups these films. But I’d do that after the third movie. That’s something that you can do for your patreton also the behind the scenes for Gullom too. It is really cool and you get to see how much the actors did an truly amazing job.
Fun fact, at the end, when Koba picks up the rifle, the chimp that was underneath the pilar was his second in command, the one that followed Koba since the beginning of the movie. It even seem happy to see Koba lifting the pilar. And then Koba dropped it, likely crushing its ribs and killing him. Koba truly never cared about the apes, not even the one that truly considered him his friend
This movie feels Shakespearean in my opinion it feels tragic and the whole war scene was filmed with such somber. This movie has no right to carry such weight with it and it does with ease.
Kobah represents the dark side of intelligence, the kind that's borne out of trauma and pain and sees everything as a problem, not to be resolved but to be eliminated, his desire for control and violence stemmed from all the fear and trauma he experienced as a victim of the human scientists, he was a fantastic villain, his plan was brilliant, by killing Ceasar he could take leadership by transferring the loyalty all the apes had for Ceasar to himself by becoming his avenger; it's a Machiavelian move as old as civilization.
I've never seen an official explanation for the titles, but the way I keep them straight in my head is "Rise" refers to the apes "rising" up and "Dawn" is about the Dawn of a new day.
I just read the premise of the upcoming fourth movie, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, and it seems akin to the very first Planet of the Apes movie from 1968. Apes have long been the dominant species, humans have become feral creatures.
So glad your reaction to this came out! This trilogy really is so good and I see so many reactors currently reacting to these films as well except they haven't gotten to this one or the third one yet.
definitely one of my favourite films of the last decade (scary that it's already 10 years). Hopefully the new one this year hits the same kind of spots as the 2nd and 3rd film of this trilogy.
This might be my favorite movie of 2014 (top 3 for sure), and my second favorite Apes film behind the original with Charleton Heston. The perversion of the tribe by Koba was an interesting foretaste of what would happen between apes and humans in the original. Andy Serkis is a gem. How he didn’t at least get an Oscar nomination for this movie is beyond me. Probably because it's a genre film. The last one has Woody Harrelson, and his rivalry with Ceasar is so intense and borderline respectful. It's a bit more of a contemplative film, but Ceasar goes on a great arc where he essentially has to grapple with his own inner Koba.
Grizzlies spanned across the US but we’re damn near hunted to extinction in the 1800s. Without humans to regulate population, their numbers most likely skyrocketed and they started migrating south to California
The sign of a great sequel. It makes you appreciate the first one even more. I’m glad that this one helped you see the first one in an even better light 🙂
Bear wise, I'd say... either they've started migrating south...or...the animals from zoos have all escaped and live wild... also the horses got taken from the police in the first movie... and I assume they've kept them well fed and started breading
Okay Andy Serkis and Gary Oldman are what I call Character Actors. They are chameleons in that they can be a wide variety of kinds of characters from sidekick to supervillain, and everywhere in between. Some character actors are best at being like the plot device cop or doctor or lawyer or other kinda cookie cutter character that's needed for plot purposes but great character actors can take a seemingly bland role like that and make you remember them. If you give the same kind of character actor a role with more meat on the bones, hold on to your butts!
1:09 Twilight means 'half light' or 'double light' whereas Dusk means 'dark'. Both terms derive from Proto-Germanic words (old english twēone lēoht and dox). Presently, Dusk commonly refers to a specific time of day, whereas historically, it solely meant 'dark/black'. On the other hand, Twilight likely retains its original meaning, indicating the time of day when the sun has set but its light persists (thus signifying a state of partial illumination or double illumination (from the sun and the moon or stars, keep in mind that the night sky during these time had a LOT more visible stars due to the absence of light pollution)).
9:36 "How did they find these horses?" At least some of them must be left from (or descended from) horses used by the mounted police in the conflict at the Golden Gate Bridge at the end of the last movie.
"Rise" is the upcoming or something to come (one definition says to stop being obedient which fits the first movie). "Dawn" is daybreak or the beginning of something actually happening. So this is the beginning of the plant of the apes.
They fucking nailed the tone for this movie, part of the reason it is so good. Just that opening shot of Caesar and the apes waiting in the trees in the thunderstorm gets you into it.
To help with your grizzly bear problem: Zoos. There are a *ton* of animals locked up in zoos, that aren't native to the region the zoo is located in. All it'd take is a breeding pair to escape and you have a potential invasive species. That's something people don't think of in case of an apocalypse. Not only do you have to worry about whatever killed civilization, but you also have to worry about suddenly freed apex predators roaming the forests.
As someone who grew up with the originals, I think they are worth the watch if you are still interested! It’s a different story but still very interesting especially for the time it came out! They aren’t perfect (aged a little badly) but I’d give them a try if I were you!!❤
Matt reeves is one of the most underrated directors/writers of our generation and this trilogy is fantastic and the ending he creates and set up from this film is just masterful storytelling and a leap in CGI motion capture. Chefs kiss for this trilogy love seeing the reactions to it one of my favourites
I couldn’t finish this movie the first time I watched it, I got up to where Koba was playing dumb to get the human’s guns and I paused it before they could hurt him cuz I was *so fucking stressed*. I’ve only “finished it” via reactions, once I realized that was a much less anxiety-inducing way to experience the end of the movie. The first one absolutely blew me away, and it’s only because the acting and premise are so good that I felt so immersed and attached to the characters.
5:25 Unless it escaped from a zoo. And even if bears didn’t, it’s been a decade since the first film and the virus basically served as an apocalyptic event that ended societal order, would grizzlies have anything to worry about that would hinder them spreading their range beyond their present day range and the woods of California?
My man Matt Reeves (at the time he was of Cloverfield and Let Me In fame) came in and directed the shit out of this film. That’s not a word I use often, but I save it when a film hits a nail perfectly on the head. Predator’s another one, John McTiernan directed the shit out of that movie.
I love this franchise but I have been complaining ever since they announced this title that the Dawn comes before the Rising. So thank you for saying the same thing. 😂
idk about grizzlies but polar bears are migrating south. They've even started hybridizing with the grizzly population whose territory they are entering.
Planet of the Apes was always something that was special between me and my father, we weren't always super close but, Planet of the Apes and The Lord of the Rings were always 2 things we clicked on and I visited him at his bedside a few times during his last weeks and in the theater the scene where Caesar is visited by his son when injured made me break down SO HARD. It was the first Planet of the Apes without him and I had to sit through that scene, it WRECKED me.
Historically, grizzly bears were all along the west coast down into Mexico. With civilization wiped out, and almost no humans left, animals are going back to their historical ranges.
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Thanks to Matt reeves that when the studio hired him, they wanted the movie be set in a more distant future and less focus on ceaser. But Matt Reeves’s wanted to focus on ceaser development as a character so he re-wrote the whole script and made into the not so distant future to see ceaser progression as a character. He made this and war of the planets of the apes into one of the greatest sequels/trilogy.
Another case of studios trying to ruin movies smh
It is hands down one of the best trilogies in movie history. Especially considering the mediocre template ... (the new trilogy will likely suck)
@@DanielGonzalez-xu1hi yep…like always 😑
@@donnerschwein well we don’t know if the new movie or trilogy will suck. To me the trailer looks interesting but who knows really. Maybe it’ll be good….i hope
It's certainly my favourite trilogy ever made.
The 'Rise' part is the individual apes 'rising up' physically and mentally.
'Dawn' refers to the dawn of a new world. 🙂
Exactly. Are we gonna question what time of day War or Kingdom are...? Or maybe the titles aren't all related to the same terms..
@@jsmithers. I always have my war after breakfast.
The grizzly thing makes complete sense, without humans pushing them north they would most likely move back into their historic habitat which used to include all of 13 states, from both Dakota's and Nebraska on the east all the way west to all of the west coast, half Kansas, and the west parts of Oklahoma and Texas and as far south as Chihuahua Mexico. Grizzlies used to be a much larger issue, barely any humans around they'll take it back and they're bringing the Pizzlies with them.
True, they would return south. However, it's essential to consider that it's only 10 years after the first movie. The rapid resurgence of grizzlies within less than a decade since the fall of society is quite remarkable.
@@dagorren I think 10 years for a spread, not re:pop but just spread it would be like 2020 again when we were getting reports of wildlife roaming the streets of various countries and Dolphins returned to Venice
It’s not like the grizzly is on the state flag or anything lol
Try this for the grizzly theory: the bear was in an area zoo and escaped with the downfall of humanity
@@dagorren ten years? Have you completely forgotten covid? Animals changed their patterns within a few months without humans around. Ten years would be more than enough.
It's really amazing, that this isn't typical "us vs them" movie. You can understand both humans and apes in this movie. You see how they all have flaws, and you realize their actions are not based on inherent evil, but stems from years of hurt.
The major reason it wouldn't be called "typical" is because the leads on both sides are trying to avoid it. What's far more impressive to me is this is a very easy franchise for using "humans are the real monsters" as the primary message, but Koba is the most evil character in the movie. I have to admit, War leaning into that theme makes it my least favorite. The villain is interesting to watch but they don't give him the depth to carry that movie, and the overwhelming majority of it is kinda just Caeser in a cage.
Maurice’s performer is female, but the character is male.
“I actually hope some apes get hurt so Koba can see the consequences”
Koba: kills Ash for disobeying him, and imprisons those loyal to Caesar, and shoots at the ones abandoning him.
Cue Blumberg from Office Space _Yeahhhhhhhh_
Koba’s betrayal is even more heartbreaking reading the prequel novel because it gives Koba’s really sad backstory of abuse and how he comes to have such respect and reverence for Caesar as his liberator and leader and see him as his brother
Sadly James Franco’s character and his girlfriend were victims of the virus between films
Oldman didn’t get to see the ape’s kinder nature like Malcolm did. The apes under Koba did too much for him to believe there was any chance of not resolving things drastically
I love how the “monkey counter” keeps going up, but Natalie noticed the bear immediately. Did they do all these reactions already or did Tyler just not say anything?😂
Considering it’s a continued count from the last movie he probably didn’t say anything 🤣
Also a great way to make sure not like every comment is "they aren't monkeys"
@@skills4u2envy Instead, every other comment is "she's STILL calling them monkeys even though she knows they're not"
I remember being excited seeing the ape-human battle. But then the bodies just started piling up and apes like the gorilla were trying to pull the wounded out of the crossfire and my enjoyment faded. It’s brilliant how this movie made this war so horrifying.
Ape-Human battle? Technically it's just a Ape battle, all in the film are Hominids (Great apes), this family includes us, Humans, before the uprising it was all ready Planet Of The Apes, and after the downfall of Humans it was still Plant Of The Apes, even now with Humans populating near all of Earth, this now is Planet Of The Apes, in real life.
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@@jsmithers. 🤡
All war is that horrifying.
@@VulcanP90 No.
"Home, this is your home." That scene is an emotional killer. Especially when you've lost someone and realize home was a feeling, not a place.
Not just Andy Serkis, but the animation team doesn't get nearly enough credit for the performance
Andy may be in a mocap suit, but it's all reference in the end for the animators who have to translate that on to 3D rigs, the lighting artists, technical artists for the fur and environments.
You can have the best actor in the world, but if the VFX team is what brings that to life in the CG animation
This movie got super snubbed during that year's Oscars
The brilliance of the mo-cap comes into focus when you realise that the huge Maurice was played by a tiny little woman.
You should still see the original 60’s first one after this series. It’s the reason they are still making Planet of the Apes films 50 years later and one of the best sci-films ever made.
Even as a modern audience, the originals are so shocking and thought-provoking. I would love for her to see them, as well.
I love how caeser is so strict yet so compassionate. He’s an excellent example of a true leader. I cant wait until you watch war for the planet of the apes
When Koba said “human work” at first, my audience and I laughed.
Then he pointed to one of his scars and said “human work”. And the laughter stopped.
I don't know how widely known this is, but Koba was Stalin's nickname earlier in his life and inspired the character in many ways, like the resentment he carried from his abusive alcoholic father, and after he left them, his mother having to sleep with their landlord to make rent. "Human work" indeed.
@josephwallace202 Similarly, Armies Hammer's character in The Man from U.N.C.L.E., Illya, had similar backstory
Wow that’s awesome. Simple yet deep. Like a scar.
That line wasn't in this video...
@@jsmithers. so?
I love this movie so much. It’s probably one of my favorite “franchise” films of all time, if not just one of my favorite films of all time. And to me Koba truly deserves to be in the pantheon of all time great movie villains. So much complexity and depth in the performances.
Fun fact; "Koba" was Stalin's nickname earlier on in his life, and although he never shot him, he certainly was working to undermine and betray Lenin in many ways, so the comparison seems kind of stark when you know the history.
This is the kind of trilogy where I can’t really pick a favorite because each film is crucial to the overall story. But I will say “WAR” is a masterpiece. I hope you enjoy the final film now that your really attached to the characters.
My favorite thing about this movie is that the first shot of the movie, the close up of Caesar's eyes, they are very that of an animal, hunting its prey right? The final shot of the movie, Caesar's eyes look almost hauntingly human. If you look at them side by side its eerie, but for me goes to show just how well thought out every aspect of the movie was.
The best one of the trilogy!
Agreed
nope, that’s war
@@khidkcPhenomenal ending of the trilogy and Caesar's story, but I still prefer Dawn
@@khidkcnope, Dawn
@@dienfhet5179 shutup nga dawn is overrated
According to Wiki, Grizzlys have historically been as far south as central Mexico and as far East as Missouri (even further pre ice age), so it's not impossible to imagine that they are as far south as Cali after US society has collapsed.
There's also the possibility of cactive bears (privately owned, Zoos) in the area escaping or being released.
I think this is the best in the series because it's the most subtle. It's not just good vs evil. Each side had good people trying to work things out, and others that were intensely driven by fear/anxiety (Carver), trauma (Koba), and loss (Dreyfus). What those latter characters do makes sense given their fears. Koba is the most extreme, but he has the most extreme pain, and he was willing to be loyal to Caesar until the fear of human uprising became too great. And then he responds by the only method he understands. Domination, torture and pain.
Koba is an all time favorite villain for me. He's ferocious and terrifying, genuinely intelligent, but his decisions also make sense, given his experiences.
Looking forward to seeing Natalie react to War. Have tissues ready.
The scene where Caesar looks at the handcamera of his baby self and his dad always wrecks me
It's called a Handicam, young one, a Handicam. Because it was a handy camera that handily fit in your hand, rather than sitting on your shoulder.
The sad part is, koba is a bonobo; which are widely known to be the more friendlier, pacifistic subspecies of ape as compared to chimps. So it says alot about what he went through in that lab :(
Honestly, he doesn’t look like a bonobo at all, except maybe for his head.
@@josephrusso4828 its been showed repeatedly what his species is
@@starkidmercer I know, I’m just saying that he doesn’t look or act anything like a real bonobo.
@@josephrusso4828 I’m aware, hence my original comment
This trilogy is fucking amazing. The second one is my favourite because its such a well constructed concept, the cinematography, the lighting, the soundtrack, the character acting is all top notch. The story line continues onward from the first movie yet feels like a whole new world and deep dive into the mentality of intelligent ape society and Koba and Ceacars dynamic are mmmmWAH perfection!!!
Koba was experimented and tortured ever since he was little so it makes sense he hates humans. Koba and Ceaser's relationship really reminded me of Professor X and Magneto. They both wanted the some thing but went to achieve it in differnt ways. not to mention they were also raised differently. Koba has a much more tragic and traumatic backstory while Ceaser grew up with a good human example as a guardian who took care of him far better than the humans who Koba worked with. Koba is simply a product of his enviornment. It doesn't excuse his actions but it atleast makes it understandable.
Matt Reeves pitched this movie as focusing on the apes and opening the movie with the apes and no dialogue. It’s what got him the job.
This is my favorite of the newer trilogy but the next one is so amazing and emotional; if you felt emotional with this one, the next one’s gonna wreck you.
Natalie going off about a bear and horses, in a movie about talking chimps 🤣
If you think this film’s gotten you emotional, war for the planet of the apes’ll literally do the same. That movie came out on my birthday 6 years ago, actually. Either way, I’m glad I found your channel all those months ago.
Has it really been six years already? Jesus...
Man, you know the movie broke her when she starts calls them apes instead of monkeys. 😳
Touching character development from her right there 🥲
This movie had so much more depth than the last movie. Matt Reeves really has an incredible directing style, and there's so much storytelling being done in this one movie. The next movie is pretty spectacular, too.
To this day, Koba is my mom’s benchmark for movie villains.
Growing up in the 70's(I was born in 71), I watched the original five films on TV and, while I did not understand everything that was happening until I got older, it became a film series that I grew to love and appreciate. I feel the same way about this trilogy as well. They are amazing films and I love Caesar's journey and the phenomenal job Andy Serkis did in bringing Caesar to life. I also love spotting all the references to the original 1968 film with Charlton Heston. It really ties in this trilogy with the 1968 film. I feel like watching all of these films right now.
These films are so good. I can't wait for your reaction to the next one, it's the most brutal and harrowing of all, but so rewarding. Just an incredible trilogy all around.
The scene of Caesar watching the old home video always gets me too. It was like a simpler time for Caesar, there was peace, and all he had to worry about was play time with Will. Now he has all of these responsibilities and now there's war waging, etc...
I'm glad you mentioned the use/depth of shadow and how that's often neglected in modern movies. 100% agree.
I am convinced that some post-production companies have zero employees with an interest in, let alone experience of, film-making. They might be fantastic software developers and IT professionals providing a timely service at a reasonable price but they don't have the basic background to understand, let alone respect, why things are framed and lit the way they are.
The most infamous example of this is the HD transfer of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Night scenes were brightened up so much it looked like full daylight (especially funny when there's a Vampire not burning on-screen), they changed the colour palette in some scenes (for example from cool blue to warm orange which adds to the daylight impression), and then they went in and unnecessarily chopped entire frames up so that instead of being a medium shot where you can see what the person is looking at in their hand, you had a close-up of their face looking at a key prop for a key plot reason that simply isn't there anymore.
That's a pretty extreme example but it's not the only one.
You HAVE to watch the third one now, its fucking AMAZING
The moment where the power comes back on and Gary Oldman’s iPad finally turns back on is such a nice touch
This is such a funny sentence 😂 but its true! You see a representation of what it means to them to keep pushing on, to not give up on electricity, to be human they know how to be, especially after it took so long to get here throughout all of history, just to see the world crumbling around you. And now the apes are at the dawn of their human-adjacent history. Both sides care about their family and about the ones around them even though both sides also have assholes. And you know what's coming, you know power will one day be truly out for the humans, both the power representing the society they built and the power to be masters of their own destiny. And they can't do anything about it even while struggling on the way. It's all such a tragedy.
"If we don't see the de*th of main characters in movies, they are not de*d." - Louis VIII of France
The editor killed me at the beginning, so funny 🤣
Natalie’s Bear Facts should be a recurring segment 😂
Natalie: bear genius
Also Natalie: 35 monkey mistakes and counting
That's on top of the 400 in the previous video. 🤣
you were correct with less people in forest animals will move father away from normal ranges, Ive witnessed it first hand during after covid coming across a bear in camp site when never happened before going for years
Hey, new subscriber here. I absolutely loved this franchise with all my heart. The 3rd one is darker and more tragic, and it's just heartbreaking. So this movie emotionally has nothing on War for the planet of the apes, the 3rd one. I cry every time I watch these movies. The close-ups on Ceasar eyes are constant themes in these movies because it's showing how human he's becoming.
screenplay is one of the best, maybe the best action/adventure scripts of its decade.
objectively, teachably terrific writing.
0:04 literally caught me red handed 😂
Maurice continues to be my favourite ape character
Another great reaction. Looking forward to the reaction to War for the Planet of the apes.
The writings on the rock wall were meant to mimic the 10 commandments. Caesar is meant to mimic the journey of Moses. All the apes were ordered to be put down, but he was the one who escaped and grew up with adopted human parents, just as moses was adopted and raised by Pahroh.
His journey as moses will become even more clear in the final movie of the trilogy. This trilogy really is such a great story.
So it’s safe to say that you know The Ten Commandments film was one of the film influences used for War for the Planet of the Apes because they intended for Caesar to become a Moses ape figure.
@matthewmira3265 It is pretty evident in the movie. The whole trilogy has biblical easter eggs, but War for the Planet of the Apes shows clear inspiration from the story of Moses. And I love that about the film/trilogy. I am not very religious, but I love that story in particular. The Prince of Egypt was a childhood favourite of mine.
Everytime the apes speak it gives me chills like it is SO good ❤❤❤
You should watch the behind the scenes stuff with the actors on the sound stages in pre-CGI set ups these films. But I’d do that after the third movie. That’s something that you can do for your patreton also the behind the scenes for Gullom too. It is really cool and you get to see how much the actors did an truly amazing job.
Fun fact, at the end, when Koba picks up the rifle, the chimp that was underneath the pilar was his second in command, the one that followed Koba since the beginning of the movie. It even seem happy to see Koba lifting the pilar. And then Koba dropped it, likely crushing its ribs and killing him.
Koba truly never cared about the apes, not even the one that truly considered him his friend
This movie feels Shakespearean in my opinion it feels tragic and the whole war scene was filmed with such somber. This movie has no right to carry such weight with it and it does with ease.
Kobah represents the dark side of intelligence, the kind that's borne out of trauma and pain and sees everything as a problem, not to be resolved but to be eliminated, his desire for control and violence stemmed from all the fear and trauma he experienced as a victim of the human scientists, he was a fantastic villain, his plan was brilliant, by killing Ceasar he could take leadership by transferring the loyalty all the apes had for Ceasar to himself by becoming his avenger; it's a Machiavelian move as old as civilization.
Can’t believe this summer it’ll be 10 years since this masterpiece
I've never seen an official explanation for the titles, but the way I keep them straight in my head is "Rise" refers to the apes "rising" up and "Dawn" is about the Dawn of a new day.
I remember when I saw this in theatres and when Ceaser yelled "Go" in the forest, my theatre was dead silent 😆 Nobody moved a muscle. Great movie!
I just read the premise of the upcoming fourth movie, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, and it seems akin to the very first Planet of the Apes movie from 1968. Apes have long been the dominant species, humans have become feral creatures.
Kobas a great character
I appreciate that the “Incorrect ‘Monkey’ Counter” continued counting from the last movie 😂
So glad your reaction to this came out! This trilogy really is so good and I see so many reactors currently reacting to these films as well except they haven't gotten to this one or the third one yet.
This movie absolutely blasted my expectations, like how you make a chimps movie so good??
For every time she incorrectly called them monkeys in the series, she should donate $20 to the Jane Goodall Institute.
??? Go ahead bro get your wallet out
Fun fact: the credits have breathing at the end of the movie. It fueled a popular theory of a certain survivor..
anyone else waiting for for the War reaction lol
definitely one of my favourite films of the last decade (scary that it's already 10 years). Hopefully the new one this year hits the same kind of spots as the 2nd and 3rd film of this trilogy.
I cannot wait for you to see the third movie in the trilogy, it is by far the best of the three and one of my all time favorite movies.
This might be my favorite movie of 2014 (top 3 for sure), and my second favorite Apes film behind the original with Charleton Heston. The perversion of the tribe by Koba was an interesting foretaste of what would happen between apes and humans in the original. Andy Serkis is a gem. How he didn’t at least get an Oscar nomination for this movie is beyond me. Probably because it's a genre film. The last one has Woody Harrelson, and his rivalry with Ceasar is so intense and borderline respectful. It's a bit more of a contemplative film, but Ceasar goes on a great arc where he essentially has to grapple with his own inner Koba.
Dawn is my favorite in the series
This is my absolute favorite movie in the series. The first one was amazing, this one only built on that in such an incredible way.
Yesss! Thank you for reacting to this series, really one of the best, I’m sure you’ll love the third one even more
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Grizzlies spanned across the US but we’re damn near hunted to extinction in the 1800s. Without humans to regulate population, their numbers most likely skyrocketed and they started migrating south to California
The sign of a great sequel. It makes you appreciate the first one even more. I’m glad that this one helped you see the first one in an even better light 🙂
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Bear wise, I'd say... either they've started migrating south...or...the animals from zoos have all escaped and live wild... also the horses got taken from the police in the first movie... and I assume they've kept them well fed and started breading
Okay Andy Serkis and Gary Oldman are what I call Character Actors. They are chameleons in that they can be a wide variety of kinds of characters from sidekick to supervillain, and everywhere in between. Some character actors are best at being like the plot device cop or doctor or lawyer or other kinda cookie cutter character that's needed for plot purposes but great character actors can take a seemingly bland role like that and make you remember them. If you give the same kind of character actor a role with more meat on the bones, hold on to your butts!
1:09 Twilight means 'half light' or 'double light' whereas Dusk means 'dark'. Both terms derive from Proto-Germanic words (old english twēone lēoht and dox). Presently, Dusk commonly refers to a specific time of day, whereas historically, it solely meant 'dark/black'. On the other hand, Twilight likely retains its original meaning, indicating the time of day when the sun has set but its light persists (thus signifying a state of partial illumination or double illumination (from the sun and the moon or stars, keep in mind that the night sky during these time had a LOT more visible stars due to the absence of light pollution)).
Great trilogy, happy you are doing these!!
9:36 "How did they find these horses?" At least some of them must be left from (or descended from) horses used by the mounted police in the conflict at the Golden Gate Bridge at the end of the last movie.
"Rise" is the upcoming or something to come (one definition says to stop being obedient which fits the first movie). "Dawn" is daybreak or the beginning of something actually happening. So this is the beginning of the plant of the apes.
YES ONE IF THE BEST SEQUELS OF ALL TIME 🙌🏽 Koba is one of the best villains in all of cinema history
I usually never comment on TH-cam videos but your reaction to my favorite movie of the trilogy made me love it even more
The next movie will really hit you in the feels 😂
They fucking nailed the tone for this movie, part of the reason it is so good. Just that opening shot of Caesar and the apes waiting in the trees in the thunderstorm gets you into it.
To help with your grizzly bear problem:
Zoos. There are a *ton* of animals locked up in zoos, that aren't native to the region the zoo is located in. All it'd take is a breeding pair to escape and you have a potential invasive species. That's something people don't think of in case of an apocalypse. Not only do you have to worry about whatever killed civilization, but you also have to worry about suddenly freed apex predators roaming the forests.
As someone who grew up with the originals, I think they are worth the watch if you are still interested! It’s a different story but still very interesting especially for the time it came out! They aren’t perfect (aged a little badly) but I’d give them a try if I were you!!❤
This trilogy just gets better and better. The next one is another step up in quality storytelling.
The grizzly could have been an escapee from the SF zoo or just nature reclaiming empty habitat
Matt reeves is one of the most underrated directors/writers of our generation and this trilogy is fantastic and the ending he creates and set up from this film is just masterful storytelling and a leap in CGI motion capture. Chefs kiss for this trilogy love seeing the reactions to it one of my favourites
I couldn’t finish this movie the first time I watched it, I got up to where Koba was playing dumb to get the human’s guns and I paused it before they could hurt him cuz I was *so fucking stressed*. I’ve only “finished it” via reactions, once I realized that was a much less anxiety-inducing way to experience the end of the movie. The first one absolutely blew me away, and it’s only because the acting and premise are so good that I felt so immersed and attached to the characters.
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Unless it escaped from a zoo.
And even if bears didn’t, it’s been a decade since the first film and the virus basically served as an apocalyptic event that ended societal order, would grizzlies have anything to worry about that would hinder them spreading their range beyond their present day range and the woods of California?
I’m been waiting for this one!!!! This is my favorite movie of all time. Now I’m excited to see you watch War
My man Matt Reeves (at the time he was of Cloverfield and Let Me In fame) came in and directed the shit out of this film.
That’s not a word I use often, but I save it when a film hits a nail perfectly on the head. Predator’s another one, John McTiernan directed the shit out of that movie.
Love the chopper cameo
I love this franchise but I have been complaining ever since they announced this title that the Dawn comes before the Rising. So thank you for saying the same thing. 😂
idk about grizzlies but polar bears are migrating south. They've even started hybridizing with the grizzly population whose territory they are entering.
“For a guy with little legs, he’s holding on pretty well” lmfao 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I’m dead
I haven’t seen anyone comment on the horses. They are either the same ones (or the offspring of) the horses from the bridge scene in Rise.
These guesses are way too on point, feels like u might have already seen this movie before either ages back or before this video came out
Gary Oldman's "Are you out of you out of your fucking mind?" is the best human acting in the movie
Planet of the Apes was always something that was special between me and my father, we weren't always super close but, Planet of the Apes and The Lord of the Rings were always 2 things we clicked on and I visited him at his bedside a few times during his last weeks and in the theater the scene where Caesar is visited by his son when injured made me break down SO HARD. It was the first Planet of the Apes without him and I had to sit through that scene, it WRECKED me.
The jump from the first movie to this has gotta be in the running for the "Most Improved" award. The first one was good, but this one was outstanding.
Historically, grizzly bears were all along the west coast down into Mexico. With civilization wiped out, and almost no humans left, animals are going back to their historical ranges.
ONE DAY! That startled me.
“Koba weaker,” is one of the coldest, best-delivered lines in cinema history 😄