It was so nice to see you Jake with JT & Lady Cee!!!! All of you were the foundation to my being liberated from the Borg. I use to listen to you on my headphones on my walks (I was afraid of getting caught listening to "apostates"). Your reasoning, openness and humor was a life-saver for me. I wasn't alone anymore. My life has done a 180 and I'm finally living (thus my name lol😂). Thank you all for your activism and I wish you continued success on this journey called life💗
This was a great interview! I love your channel as well. I know it can be hard at times, but I hope you find strength in knowing that you’re helping so many people with your efforts.
This video has helped me especially during this time. My father who stepped down as a COBE recently died last month. His zoom memorial service is this upcoming Saturday and I don't have the zoom link to attend. I have said goodbye to my dad in my own way and created my own obituary. Truly sad what this 'organization' does to families.
Thank you too so much for your interviews they have helped me immensely along my journey. I’m fourth GEN also, just left the Org September 21 after being reinstated for only 30 days. I was able to crush my judicial committee after 30 days of my reinstatement with their own Flock book. Not one of them had anything to say they just block my phone number. It has been quite the journey. I’m very happy with my decision and I finally feel like I’m in control of my life. I’ve been a single father since my daughter was five years old, she is 14 now. I will not be raising her inside of this destructive cult, I have deep scars that have been left by watchtower. Every day is beautiful, new, and mine. Keep up the great work
@@famousbowl9926 I will admit that learning the truth about the Truth was very painful. Friends that I had already outlived, it made me feel like I lost them all over again.
“You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.” - Morpheus
Like a pillar of cloud or fire..they just can't see past their narrative.. Who Does it protect ? If its revealed they're God assigned the man of lawlessness..like Rahab who broke laws or Christ Jesus who ensured there were swords.. Licensed to bring about what's harmful as rev 11:5 &6 warns.. What is it we should expect ? Plagues ?
@@ExJWCriticalThinker All different churches including exjws apostate are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible Mathew 7;21-23,1JOHN 4;1 ????????????
@@vusimngomezulu2500 wait a minute... - I've seen This before.. the 'new system' is 'Bahai' The watchtower is right about a lot of things.. Abdul-Baha was the Son of Baha'u'llah - and Center of the Covenant - (Psalm.89, throne of David, to last forever..)
@@zachlightcap2179 The deluded Vusi Mngomezulu is always on every ex-JW channel trying to do some JW Cult propaganda. He is always running away from answering why JW has so much false teachings and failed prophecies.
20:10 - _THIS_ right here was the switch that turned on and made me finally wake up! Not the broadcastings, though. It was the Crisis of Conscience book that made me realize exactly what he said. I am extremely glad to see that the broadcastings are doing Ray Franz's job for him.
“Every doubt you have goes back to a failure on your part.” 🎯🎯 - this right here! So many gems dropped in this interview. This was great. Thank you! Always right on the money. Appreciate y’all!
Speaking about the Memorial, yesterday I got a call (voice message) from an elder saying that he "just wanted to see if we were OK." Immediately I knew we were near Memorial time.
@@ExJWCriticalThinker - Add to this the fact that I speak WT. His message said: "Hello, brother Rivera. I'm calling just to see if you guys are OK." But, what he really said was, "Hello, brother Rivera. If you answer this message, I will have proof that you receive and hear them. This will be enough to start a Judicial Committee in your absence and finally disfellowship your ass."
Amazing program as usual. Every time you listen from one personal experience/interview to the next you always learn something new and from another perspective that helps you to heal a little bit more and it gives you comfort that you made the right decision to leave instead of staying and sinking deeper into the rut this cult places you in. Thanks JT & Lady C for the amazing content you put out always. You’re activism is truly what’s keeping me going and staying away from hurting myself or wanting to just end it all. It’s like a healing balm or medicine that keeps you together mentally. The religion really creates a lot of basket cases. We are damaged goods and survival means looking out for one another. Love you both. And this is the real love and it carries no condition’s.
Thanks Krissy. I’ve been almost a year out and once giving myself permission to go online and the first thing I came across on Google was the Australia Royal Commission, well I nearly passed out with the shock and horror of it all. I’ve suffered with really bad depression since 1999 from the mental abuse I went through from my whole family and the pressure of the cult. I was raised in a angry family with parents that always fought, yet were so zealous for the so called truth. All while my Dad was the presiding overseer for our congregation. Devils at home and righteous at the hall. Seems this is a never ending story for a lot of ex JW’s. Wasted 54 good years of my life in fear and believing this garbage. That’s the hardest thing to deal with. Lost time you’ll never get back. Anyways sending my love back from Calgary, Alberta Canada.
Thank you LadyC, JT and Jake for this excellent video that hit so many aspects of JW life/beliefs right on the head. I have been out for 22 years but started to wake up 12 years ago. Yes the indoctrination runs oceans deep doesn’t it? You all brought out so many great points! Much appreciated
The other strategy used, that kept me going as a JW was that: “ well some of the things we cannot understand because we are imperfect, in paradise we will be perfect and everything that does not make sense will.” Imperfection was always my magic unswer to any doubts.
Feeling bummed out about a close friend getting married and me just hearing about it... So glad this vid is released so I can listen and reinforce my reasons for leaving. Cant thank you guys enough.
Hang in there. It gets better as time goes by. Once you begin making more unconditional friends, you will no longer look for the pseudo friendships at the Kingdom Hall. 😊
@@zachlightcap2179 All different churches including exjws apostate are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible Mathew 7;21-23,1JOHN 4;1???????
Non Witness here. I really love this information. I’ll be prepared if a Witness comes to my door. Me: let’s talk about what happens if I join then leave🤣
I remember those green bibles and pink song books! One song had a lyric that went something like , " fear not those that kill the body, But can not destroy the SOUL, to the end continue faithful, he will bring you to your goal." Next few minutes, there's some man up on the platform talking about how we don't have SOULS. Wait, Whaaaat?? Crazy
This guy is spot on! I used to read a paragraph 10 times to make sense of it. I remember taking my sister in law and she was looking so confused at the Watchtower study and I was so ashamed I invited her knowing that it is very confusing.
I certainly appreciate the fact that he and his wife are still together and doing well. I have to really be careful because my wife and two children are still in and they don't like that I no longer believe. Also she told me she would leave if I ever became apostate. So for now I just walk on egg shells and keep my mouth shut.
#Wisdom "A LIE doesn't become Truth, Wrong doesn't become Right, and Evil doesn't become Good, just because it's accepted by the Majority... (Booker T Washington)
Rev 11:5&6 has had the greatest implication of me ..discovered since l was disfellowshipped.. Negative consequences have resulted from the teachings of the governing body. Those verses show God Authorises stuff that's negative.. AUTHORISES IT!!! Gives the okay.. Licenced. Are we ready for this TWIST ? What GOD AITHORISES requires no apologies
JT & Lady Cee - please don’t stop using the term “the Society“. It brings me back to my youth in the organization. There is a reason they don’t want us to use that term anymore - it reminds us that it was a corporation and a publishing company before it was a religion. In Rutherford‘s day, they told everyone they MUST use the term ”Society”, and said it was even a type in the Bible (represented by Elihu in the book of Job). Now they’re telling us the opposite - that we cannot use the term at all. It sounds culty, and that’s why they don’t like it anymore. But that’s what I grew up with. I love that you don’t let them get away with changing the terminology. Your use of the old terms attracted me to your channel. I knew you were legit!
Perhaps a few great questions to ask a witness next time they approach are “Since you have been a witness how many people are you/have you personally, actively shunned and specifically how has it/is it affecting the people you’re/you’ve shunned emotionally, physically, spiritually and mentally? What, you don’t specifically know how it is/has affecting them nor do you specifically know the allegations against them or if those allegations were substantiated? If I join the JW‘s and later leave the religion will you shun me too? If the JW leadership reverses their shunning policy as they have done previously, how will you ever be able to apologize to those that you shunned based on an erroneous Bible interpretation by men who expressly state that they are fallible and uninspired?”
Great interview .. thank you Jake .. good to hear about your experience with a believing partner .. very honest and relatable .. liked your positive take on the possibility of a successful or at least working relationship with honest communication .. we are not all laying on the couch drunk and comatose 😂
Even if I forwarded this video to them they wouldn't watch it because it wasn't sent by the governing body and approved for them to view so how are they supposed to think outside the box when they're trapped in the box it's very frustrating
I have had some knowledge of the JW Religion I came out of hospital 3 years ago and contacted a JW member, So I started a bible study while on new medication I was very anxious. I had a Elder and publisher once a week,the Elder said that he was glad he didn’t know when the new system was going to start the actual day and time, Then he said that he herd about a brother giving a witnesses to people who were queuing as refugees What an awesome experience for the JW I fought how bad for the genuine people that were being displaced, in a life and death situation and this elder could only say what great opportunity to give a witness There all crazy
Its true what Lady C brought out in the video that JWs stop seeing the "human" in people. People just become statistics to be recorded in the yearly reports, eg.memorial attendees. They aren't even important enough to be included in the individual jw monthly report...but numbers of "hours" are! Like Jake said, the jws become warped in their understanding of whats right and wrong. The jws basically teach people progressively how NOT to be Christ-like.
Can't tell you how heartwarming it is to see Jake, a young man with a bright future now that watchtower has no power to destroy his life. "The future is wide open".
That is so true! A lot of them can't explain their own supposed beliefs. Or they deny that they teach certain things. They are either stunted by cognitive dissonance or just "don't wanna know"!
Who likely noticed more.. Who was more irritated that Moses couldn't even speak ?? Those who had impure motives Aspiring to leadership.. Along with those who could speak more eloquently ? Perhaps they made it through the Red Sea..but the tests later on they got weeded
Good morning, JT and Lady C. Great program and interview. Keep up the excellent work. Stay safe and healthy. We love you very much. Many blessings from Jehovah and Christ. Amador, Kingdom Christian from sunny Puerto Rico.
I had a green Bible and I also grew up in the time when we said that the society. I also studied out of the truth book. 1981 82. Also, I liked the songbook during that time. They changed it in the 90s and got rid of most of my favorite songs! Loyal love, etc
JT and Lady Cee I knew nothing about the judicial process until years after my baptism! For born ins this may seem unbelievable but it’s not. In my first congregation people may have stopped attending but weren’t disfellowshipped. The youngsters that stopped coming weren’t baptised. It just wasn’t mentioned. Nor was shunning. So the recent book is just reflecting their long standing tactics. Great interview.
P.S. Love you Jake and yes...it's very awesome to see two of my favorite channels in the mix together. We need more of these!! Much love and respect! A+++
Thank you all for this discussion! I so appreciate all the content you put out there. Lady CEE, I’ve commented on the hats that you wear, so I can’t sign off this time without mentioning how stunning you look in that colour! You are a classy lady for sure! 🥰😘
Very good interview!! Thank you JT and Lady C for interviewing Jake, I love his TH-cam channel "Altworldly" he is really good making videos! This was very interesting 👏👏👏😄
Thank you so much for this video. I left the JW last December , and today one of my ex jw friends contacted me to try to instill some of their poison. Your video calmed me down.
I always enjoyed your Broadcast. But this was one of my favorite. Thank you Guys so very much. Continue your good work 👏 🙌 👍 👌. The one's that are just now coming out, is my new Light. Lol!!!.
My sister is the only one in our family that is a JW no one in the history or our family has ever followed the witnesses. Her children left and never returned (really was never into it has kids/teenagers anyway) after my sister and her husband divorced. The kids are doing great now years later but she is still in it. Our relationship became strained when she called one night about a month ago and started in on the whole the way the world is going and Jesus the Archangel which sent me over the top. I told her I would never be a JW and she asked why and I told her they are a cult and full of false teachings I really didn’t have anything to go on and she defended the JW like I didn’t know what I was talking about, so I started watching these videos to learn exactly what my sister is into and it is just mind blowing everything I have seen and to realize I was right when I actually had no idea the severity of this organization. We’ve emailed a couple of times after that but she knows I have done my research and by all accounts she should not have anything to do with me. My hope and prayers and that she would wake up to the actual truth and walk away but she has always been a seeker and this is what has snatched her up. I love my sister always and forever.
I'm 38 and I had to go to JW church until I was 16 because my mum has been JH for as long as I remember. I hated it and when my mum decided I was old enough to make my own decisions and allowed me to decide to no longer follow the religion I was extremely happy and I never went to church again. The JW religion is horrible. Honestly they aren't really that much different to Scientology where they are more of a cult than a religion. I don't follow any religion and honestly hate religion but I still have a heavy moral code. But I am a firm believer that people are allowed to follow whatever religion they want and while I am against religion I am not against religious people. In fact I have a friend who is heavily religious and I STRONGLY disagree with a lot of what he believes in and he knows my stance on religion and we have had a few arguments but we still get along and he's one of the few people on fb that I interact with on any kind of regular basis.
Just using the Interlinear and seeing the Greek text and how it was translated as opposed to how it was applied was key. Yesterday's "with it" person is today's apostate.....
I'm from the Society, District Overseer, Zone Overseer, President of the Congregation, two Circuit Assemblies every year, getting a W at the Ministerial School, etc. days.
You know, JT, you reminded me of a thing that bugged me for a long time when I was a JW. At least in the congs. I attended over many years, was the lack of shepherding by elders.(woeful imo). Imagine being DF’d and trying to work your way back in with all the shunning. I believe the procedure was for the elders to visit such a one once a year. I wonder if that policy is still in place?
So glad you and your wife can make it work, and work well, Jake! I can't get over the elders and COs not pressuring her to leave him/you due to 'spiritual endangerment'. I hope that does not happen. Sort of give me hope, but then again I'm a woman and WT is extremely sexist, and it's all a roll of the dice/elders no matter your sex.
So glad I found your channel. Helps a lot to hear others stories considering after I left I had no one to really talk to about this stuff since 2016. I thankfully wasn't baptized so I didn't feel the shunning. After hearing how my parents were disfellowshipped for the dumbest reason, I knew it was time to stop believing in the fairy tale
I was dating a jehovah witness girl from September of 2021 to September 2022 and she broke up with me and pretty much gave me the ultimatum that if I want to get back with her I would have to convert. I said yes because I was in love. All I asked in return was support throughout the process, at first she was all the way from September 2022 to January of this year and then nothing. Hasn’t reached out in the last 5 months, keep in mind I was still going to the meetings and commenting and going door to door. It wasn’t until I got fed up with her not reaching out that I decided to meet someone else, it opened my eyes, this week I stopped going to the meetings. Texted the guy I was studying with to inform him I’m no longer going and now multiple people are reaching out. I’m glad I met this new person because it opened my eyes. And I was planning on getting baptized next month. I would love to be a guest on your show 😁 I appreciate y’all
Left in 2009 and seeing the governing body was so weird to me! They are so unimpressive and have no specific public speaking skills. I don't know what qualifies them to be there. Stephen Lett is the most ridiculous. I was at visiting my parents and they asked me to display the broadcasting on the TV. It was LETT. So I started laughing hysterically, my parents were no amused they don't even see that the way Lett is addressing them is CONDESCENDING !🤡
I find Anthony Morris the most objectionable. No warmth or charisma whatsoever. Just a scowling, scolding, mumbling, bitter old man. He can't string a coherent sentence together and he resorts to lazy word contractions and slurring. I'm sure he would deserve a "W" for every point of counsel in the now defunct Theocratic Ministry School.
I was one of those "self-flagellation" df'd persons and I thought I deserved to feel that way. I thought I wouldn't see paradise and I was very sad, I still am actually! But I now know God isn't punishing me and and I do feel better about myself. I was df'd for immorality. I was a very lonely single parent and wanted a partner/husband so I slept with my now ex husband and told on myself. Oh boy.
They seem to lack the ability to feel compassion. I am so very sorry for how you were treated. The emotional blackmail they try to enforce is inhumane imo. Don't feel bad for being human! Sending you love and light. Namaste ❤💥🧘♂️
Lady Cee and JT I really enjoy your programs. I am an ex jw and I left not telling anyone. I have a jw for over 20 years. I have learned a lot from watching you.
Thank you my dear friends real friends mi say for spending your precious time to helping those confusing people in the JWOrg mirage club I was born in it back in my homeland Thessaloniki Greece bean the third generation of dreamers started in with my grandmother in1926 she got baptised in Thessaloniki my father was only 2 years and his brother 1 years at 3 years old my grandfather was Mayer of a little town could Toumba in northern Greece 120 kl east of Thessaloniki at 6 years old my father was very joyful to her the bells of the Orthodox Church ringing his father died from ice waters from jumping to get his hunting rifle
Thanks JT, LadyC and Jake. You mentioned how they developed a whole doctrine)teaching around a parable in the form of a question, ie. 'faithful slave'. Just a thought. Recently G Jackson gave 'new light' on John 5:28,29. Part of their reasoning was that if we look carefully, Jesus was talking in the past tense....blah blah So when will they get the same 'new light' on the faithful slave I wonder. After all, it says: "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master APPOINTED over his domestics..."(Matt 24:45) "Appointed" is in the past tense Watchtower. How will you get around that one with 'new light'. Maybe at the next AGM🤣😂🤣
Good point Jenni about the past tense regarding appointment of the FDS! What inconsistency...but that's so typical of WT theology. I wonder if any jws were disciplined or even df'd in the past for insisting that Jesus' words regarding the resurrection were in the past tense. Even though it plainly says so in the verse and always has.
I was talking to a ex pioneer of some forty years, before the end of the all , I wished I’d asked her how it was to go back each time doctrines changed, and call o them to explain to them each time? Wish I had as she was shunning me due to questions I had, she couldn’t get rid of me fast enough
I have been married for 39 years. I left the Watchtower organization 30 years ago. My wife is still an active JW, and has been for our entire marriage. We still have a great, loving relationship. The only thing she will not allow me to do is talk with her about her religion. I think she, like most Witnesses, is afraid to leave because she fears losing all her JW friends and family. So she, like most Witnesses, is keeping her head in the sand. Other than that, we have a great marriage, even though we are - according to Watchtower - a “divided household.”
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Thank you so much for having me on the channel! Your videos continue to inspire me, it was sincerely an honor.
You are most welcome. Loved every bit of our discussion. We had a blast talking with you.
It was so nice to see you Jake with JT & Lady Cee!!!! All of you were the foundation to my being liberated from the Borg. I use to listen to you on my headphones on my walks (I was afraid of getting caught listening to "apostates"). Your reasoning, openness and humor was a life-saver for me. I wasn't alone anymore. My life has done a 180 and I'm finally living (thus my name lol😂). Thank you all for your activism and I wish you continued success on this journey called life💗
@@ExJWCriticalThinker sounds like a lot of damage control goes on with the Watchtower, ie, minute 9.30
This was a great interview! I love your channel as well. I know it can be hard at times, but I hope you find strength in knowing that you’re helping so many people with your efforts.
This video has helped me especially during this time. My father who stepped down as a COBE recently died last month. His zoom memorial service is this upcoming Saturday and I don't have the zoom link to attend. I have said goodbye to my dad in my own way and created my own obituary. Truly sad what this 'organization' does to families.
I'm sorry to hear that, are you saying they didn't give you the information to the zoom service? No one in your family?
Sorry for your loss.
So sorry for your loss.
So sorry to hear that. This religion is about division of family and anyone who doesn't agree with their teaching. 🙏🏾
Wow
I'm so happy to see Jake on your channel! Two of my favorite exJW TH-camrs together! This was an excellent interview. 👏 Thank you so much 💓
You took the words out of my mouth. 😃👏👏
Thank you too so much for your interviews they have helped me immensely along my journey.
I’m fourth GEN also, just left the Org September 21 after being reinstated for only 30 days. I was able to crush my judicial committee after 30 days of my reinstatement with their own Flock book. Not one of them had anything to say they just block my phone number. It has been quite the journey. I’m very happy with my decision and I finally feel like I’m in control of my life. I’ve been a single father since my daughter was five years old, she is 14 now. I will not be raising her inside of this destructive cult, I have deep scars that have been left by watchtower. Every day is beautiful, new, and mine. Keep up the great work
Trying to tell a Jehovah witness about anything biblical is like pulling teeth they're so brainwashed it's sad
My mom says i don't care im staying. Its too much of a mental toll to accept they lived a lie their whole life
@@famousbowl9926 I will admit that learning the truth about the Truth was very painful. Friends that I had already outlived, it made me feel like I lost them all over again.
“You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.” - Morpheus
Like a pillar of cloud or fire..they just can't see past their narrative..
Who Does it protect ?
If its revealed they're God assigned the man of lawlessness..like Rahab who broke laws or Christ Jesus who ensured there were swords..
Licensed to bring about what's harmful as rev 11:5 &6 warns..
What is it we should expect ?
Plagues ?
Wow what a delight! My two favorite TH-cam channels combining forces in one video!! Thanks you guys! I'm a patreon of both of you all
Thanks for your support!
@@ExJWCriticalThinker All different churches including exjws apostate are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible Mathew 7;21-23,1JOHN 4;1 ????????????
All different churches including exjws apostate are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible Mathew 7;21-23,1JOHN 4;1???????
@@vusimngomezulu2500 wait a minute... - I've seen This before.. the 'new system' is 'Bahai' The watchtower is right about a lot of things.. Abdul-Baha was the Son of Baha'u'llah - and Center of the Covenant - (Psalm.89, throne of David, to last forever..)
@@zachlightcap2179
The deluded Vusi Mngomezulu is always on every ex-JW channel trying to do some JW Cult propaganda.
He is always running away from answering why JW has so much false teachings and failed prophecies.
20:10 - _THIS_ right here was the switch that turned on and made me finally wake up! Not the broadcastings, though. It was the Crisis of Conscience book that made me realize exactly what he said. I am extremely glad to see that the broadcastings are doing Ray Franz's job for him.
“Every doubt you have goes back to a failure on your part.” 🎯🎯 - this right here! So many gems dropped in this interview. This was great. Thank you! Always right on the money. Appreciate y’all!
Speaking about the Memorial, yesterday I got a call (voice message) from an elder saying that he "just wanted to see if we were OK." Immediately I knew we were near Memorial time.
Bingo
If the wt had NOT told him to call he would not have called to check on you
So sad
@@ExJWCriticalThinker - Add to this the fact that I speak WT. His message said: "Hello, brother Rivera. I'm calling just to see if you guys are OK." But, what he really said was, "Hello, brother Rivera. If you answer this message, I will have proof that you receive and hear them. This will be enough to start a Judicial Committee in your absence and finally disfellowship your ass."
Of course ! They don't want their Memorial count . . to Fall Off ❗😏
@@EfrainRiveraJunior see you are cold blooded
Lol
Amazing program as usual. Every time you listen from one personal experience/interview to the next you always learn something new and from another perspective that helps you to heal a little bit more and it gives you comfort that you made the right decision to leave instead of staying and sinking deeper into the rut this cult places you in.
Thanks JT & Lady C for the amazing content you put out always. You’re activism is truly what’s keeping me going and staying away from hurting myself or wanting to just end it all. It’s like a healing balm or medicine that keeps you together mentally. The religion really creates a lot of basket cases. We are damaged goods and survival means looking out for one another. Love you both. And this is the real love and it carries no condition’s.
Hang in there. I’m grateful we have each other in this community to lean on for support. Sending my love from California 🥰
Thanks Krissy. I’ve been almost a year out and once giving myself permission to go online and the first thing I came across on Google was the Australia Royal Commission, well I nearly passed out with the shock and horror of it all. I’ve suffered with really bad depression since 1999 from the mental abuse I went through from my whole family and the pressure of the cult. I was raised in a angry family with parents that always fought, yet were so zealous for the so called truth. All while my Dad was the presiding overseer for our congregation. Devils at home and righteous at the hall. Seems this is a never ending story for a lot of ex JW’s. Wasted 54 good years of my life in fear and believing this garbage. That’s the hardest thing to deal with. Lost time you’ll never get back. Anyways sending my love back from Calgary, Alberta Canada.
I agree 100%
Thank you LadyC, JT and Jake for this excellent video that hit so many aspects of JW life/beliefs right on the head. I have been out for 22 years but started to wake up 12 years ago. Yes the indoctrination runs oceans deep doesn’t it? You all brought out so many great points! Much appreciated
You are on the money
Excellent interview! Yep- I was one of “them”, out nearly 20 years before I actually woke up.
The other strategy used, that kept me going as a JW was that: “ well some of the things we cannot understand because we are imperfect, in paradise we will be perfect and everything that does not make sense will.” Imperfection was always my magic unswer to any doubts.
Feeling bummed out about a close friend getting married and me just hearing about it... So glad this vid is released so I can listen and reinforce my reasons for leaving. Cant thank you guys enough.
Hang in there. It gets better as time goes by. Once you begin making more unconditional friends, you will no longer look for the pseudo friendships at the Kingdom Hall. 😊
All different churches including exjws apostate are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible Mathew 7;21-23,1JOHN 4;1???????
@@vusimngomezulu2500 Festuval of Paradise, Apr 21 - May 2...
@@zachlightcap2179 IGNORE that TROLL and IT will stay under the bridge!!
@@zachlightcap2179 All different churches including exjws apostate are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible Mathew 7;21-23,1JOHN 4;1???????
Keep it up Watchtower. The more you parade your 8 jokers, the more apostates you churn out.
All different churches including exjws apostate are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible Mathew 7;21-23,1JOHN 4;1?????????
Talk about shooting oneself in the foot, they've done a GREAT job of that, THANK GOD!!
@@vusimngomezulu2500 Does your mother know you are on the Tube? Will you please go do your school work.
Fantastic interview! Jake is one of a kind.
"If something isn't true anymore, was it ever really true?"
Non Witness here. I really love this information. I’ll be prepared if a Witness comes to my door.
Me: let’s talk about what happens if I join then leave🤣
That's exactly what you should ask... Be WARNED they may cut the conversation short.
I remember those green bibles and pink song books! One song had a lyric that went something like , " fear not those that kill the body, But can not destroy the SOUL, to the end continue faithful, he will bring you to your goal." Next few minutes, there's some man up on the platform talking about how we don't have SOULS. Wait, Whaaaat?? Crazy
😯 Oh em gee those crazy lyrics 😂
This guy is spot on! I used to read a paragraph 10 times to make sense of it. I remember taking my sister in law and she was looking so confused at the Watchtower study and I was so ashamed I invited her knowing that it is very confusing.
Thank you JT, lady Cee and Jake for sharing your critical thinking skills with us viewers and for exposing this horrible controlling cult.
Thanks!
Many thanks!!! ❤
@@ExJWCriticalThinker 👍
I am happy to see two channels I follow have a great dialog.
I certainly appreciate the fact that he and his wife are still together and doing well. I have to really be careful because my wife and two children are still in and they don't like that I no longer believe. Also she told me she would leave if I ever became apostate. So for now I just walk on egg shells and keep my mouth shut.
#Wisdom
"A LIE doesn't become Truth, Wrong doesn't become Right, and Evil doesn't become Good, just because it's accepted by the Majority... (Booker T Washington)
One of my favorite quotes
@@chelseaangel2589 #Truth #Courage
Yay, my two favourite XJW channels in one place! Great interview, thank you all.
This was great! I been in 50 years, woke up about 3 years ago, still pimo, hope to tell my story one day!
Rev 11:5&6 has had the greatest implication of me ..discovered since l was disfellowshipped..
Negative consequences have resulted from the teachings of the governing body.
Those verses show God Authorises stuff that's negative..
AUTHORISES IT!!!
Gives the okay..
Licenced.
Are we ready for this TWIST ?
What GOD AITHORISES
requires no apologies
JT & Lady Cee - please don’t stop using the term “the Society“. It brings me back to my youth in the organization. There is a reason they don’t want us to use that term anymore - it reminds us that it was a corporation and a publishing company before it was a religion. In Rutherford‘s day, they told everyone they MUST use the term ”Society”, and said it was even a type in the Bible (represented by Elihu in the book of Job). Now they’re telling us the opposite - that we cannot use the term at all. It sounds culty, and that’s why they don’t like it anymore. But that’s what I grew up with. I love that you don’t let them get away with changing the terminology. Your use of the old terms attracted me to your channel. I knew you were legit!
Perhaps a few great questions to ask a witness next time they approach are “Since you have been a witness how many people are you/have you personally, actively shunned and specifically how has it/is it affecting the people you’re/you’ve shunned emotionally, physically, spiritually and mentally? What, you don’t specifically know how it is/has affecting them nor do you specifically know the allegations against them or if those allegations were substantiated? If I join the JW‘s and later leave the religion will you shun me too? If the JW leadership reverses their shunning policy as they have done previously, how will you ever be able to apologize to those that you shunned based on an erroneous Bible interpretation by men who expressly state that they are fallible and uninspired?”
Very powerful post
Great interview .. thank you Jake .. good to hear about your experience with a believing partner .. very honest and relatable .. liked your positive take on the possibility of a successful or at least working relationship with honest communication .. we are not all laying on the couch drunk and comatose 😂
Even if I forwarded this video to them they wouldn't watch it because it wasn't sent by the governing body and approved for them to view so how are they supposed to think outside the box when they're trapped in the box it's very frustrating
So true indeed
I have had some knowledge of the JW Religion
I came out of hospital 3 years ago and contacted a JW member,
So I started a bible study while on new medication I was very anxious.
I had a Elder and publisher once a week,the Elder said that he was glad he didn’t know when the new system was going to start the actual day and time,
Then he said that he herd about a brother giving a witnesses to people who were queuing as refugees
What an awesome experience for the JW
I fought how bad for the genuine people that were being displaced, in a life and death situation and this elder could only say what great opportunity to give a witness
There all crazy
Its true what Lady C brought out in the video that JWs stop seeing the "human" in people. People just become statistics to be recorded in the yearly reports, eg.memorial attendees. They aren't even important enough to be included in the individual jw monthly report...but numbers of "hours" are! Like Jake said, the jws become warped in their understanding of whats right and wrong. The jws basically teach people progressively how NOT to be Christ-like.
Nice to see some of my favorite exjws together! Good job JT and Lady Cee!
This interview was in-depth and very informative. Thank you.
This was great! I love Jake’s channel!!
Can't tell you how heartwarming it is to see Jake, a young man with a bright future now that watchtower has no power to destroy his life. "The future is wide open".
I wish I was this articulate and wise at his age. My life know doubt would have been drastically different. For the good that is. 😊
19:43 - Actually, "apostates" are more likely to name all the Governing Body members, _and_ the Watchtower teaches, better than any J-Dub. 🤣
Yup, we pay way too much attention to those lunatics 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That is so true! A lot of them can't explain their own supposed beliefs. Or they deny that they teach certain things. They are either stunted by cognitive dissonance or just "don't wanna know"!
🤔Wonder why that is ?
Who likely noticed more..
Who was more irritated that Moses couldn't even speak ??
Those who had impure motives
Aspiring to leadership..
Along with those who could speak more eloquently ?
Perhaps they made it through the Red Sea..but the tests later on they got weeded
Love Jake's channel and videos. He offers great information and rebuttals with a sense of humour.
My two favorite ex jw channels! These are the channels that have helped me the most. loved everything about this :)
Great interview guys thank you all for your courage and care for people to make these important videos the content was very helpful.
Good morning, JT and Lady C. Great program and interview. Keep up the excellent work. Stay safe and healthy. We love you very much. Many blessings from Jehovah and Christ. Amador, Kingdom Christian from sunny Puerto Rico.
I had a green Bible and I also grew up in the time when we said that the society. I also studied out of the truth book. 1981 82. Also, I liked the songbook during that time. They changed it in the 90s and got rid of most of my favorite songs! Loyal love, etc
I loved the old songs. We got reinstated and the new songs were awful! We left again lol. I hated the new Bible also. Thank you Jesus!
JT and Lady Cee I knew nothing about the judicial process until years after my baptism! For born ins this may seem unbelievable but it’s not. In my first congregation people may have stopped attending but weren’t disfellowshipped. The youngsters that stopped coming weren’t baptised. It just wasn’t mentioned. Nor was shunning. So the recent book is just reflecting their long standing tactics. Great interview.
“The Society” they were also called “The Order”. Sounds super cult-y. How am I not supposed to think they’re part of the Illuminati?! 🤣
Naw fr fr
Excellent interview!! Jake AltWorldly is awesome and makes outstanding videos!! He’s a genius!!
Such a good interview! I identify with so much of his experience!
P.S. Love you Jake and yes...it's very awesome to see two of my favorite channels in the mix together. We need more of these!! Much love and respect! A+++
Thank you all for this discussion! I so appreciate all the content you put out there.
Lady CEE, I’ve commented on the hats that you wear, so I can’t sign off this time without mentioning how stunning you look in that colour! You are a classy lady for sure! 🥰😘
Thank you. 🥰
Great Job 👍 Critical Thinker
Very good interview!! Thank you JT and Lady C for interviewing Jake, I love his TH-cam channel "Altworldly" he is really good making videos! This was very interesting 👏👏👏😄
Thank you so much for this video. I left the JW last December , and today one of my ex jw friends contacted me to try to instill some of their poison. Your video calmed me down.
I enjoyed the "home and away" interviews with you folks and Jake.
Thanks Jake 👍
Where is your channel? Sounds great
Wow. Bravo jake
@@dianekrstulovich1582 Bravo! 👏 #Courage
Excellent interview!!! Great points. I had to watch it twice!
Love the work you are doing. Another great interview.
What a great interview. Thank you so much 💓
I always enjoyed your Broadcast. But this was one of my favorite. Thank you Guys so very much. Continue your good work 👏 🙌 👍 👌. The one's that are just now coming out, is my new Light. Lol!!!.
I've been out since 1998. And woke up w leah remini jw episode . Thanks Jake jt lady cee. You all are awesome
My sister is the only one in our family that is a JW no one in the history or our family has ever followed the witnesses. Her children left and never returned (really was never into it has kids/teenagers anyway) after my sister and her husband divorced. The kids are doing great now years later but she is still in it. Our relationship became strained when she called one night about a month ago and started in on the whole the way the world is going and Jesus the Archangel which sent me over the top. I told her I would never be a JW and she asked why and I told her they are a cult and full of false teachings I really didn’t have anything to go on and she defended the JW like I didn’t know what I was talking about, so I started watching these videos to learn exactly what my sister is into and it is just mind blowing everything I have seen and to realize I was right when I actually had no idea the severity of this organization. We’ve emailed a couple of times after that but she knows I have done my research and by all accounts she should not have anything to do with me. My hope and prayers and that she would wake up to the actual truth and walk away but she has always been a seeker and this is what has snatched her up. I love my sister always and forever.
Thoroughly enjoyed this excellent interview!
Jake Altworldly, straight to the heart of the lies of WT, from a different angle of JT, my opinions.
jake is getting around. Love you bro.
Watchtower has Destroyed so many Lives
RIP 🙏 Stuart Family Keego Harbor Michigan
I have friend who is disfellowshiped, neither of her parents helped her or even called when she had a kidney transplant. So sad!
That’s terrible.
Aw..that's just terrible..so sad..😢❤🙏🏾
Great interview,.with two of my favorites..
Omg JAAAAAKKKKKE🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰my brother from another mother. Love this dude. I’m excited for this 😁😁
Such a wonderful interview 👏
Makes me happy to see Jake with JT and Lady Cee. Love you all
Great interview. Love Jake’s content
Thank you Lady Cee and JT, and Jake! I was unfamiliar with Jake/Alt Worldly…until now! Jake is a genuinely nice guy!
I'm 38 and I had to go to JW church until I was 16 because my mum has been JH for as long as I remember. I hated it and when my mum decided I was old enough to make my own decisions and allowed me to decide to no longer follow the religion I was extremely happy and I never went to church again.
The JW religion is horrible. Honestly they aren't really that much different to Scientology where they are more of a cult than a religion.
I don't follow any religion and honestly hate religion but I still have a heavy moral code.
But I am a firm believer that people are allowed to follow whatever religion they want and while I am against religion I am not against religious people.
In fact I have a friend who is heavily religious and I STRONGLY disagree with a lot of what he believes in and he knows my stance on religion and we have had a few arguments but we still get along and he's one of the few people on fb that I interact with on any kind of regular basis.
Just using the Interlinear and seeing the Greek text and how it was translated as opposed to how it was applied was key. Yesterday's "with it" person is today's apostate.....
Thank you for a great interview.
Thanks JT and Ladycee we Appreciate All 🙏 your hard work
I'm from the Society, District Overseer, Zone Overseer, President of the Congregation, two Circuit Assemblies every year, getting a W at the Ministerial School, etc. days.
Accolades 😎
🥰
Very well articulated and so helpful. You guys are so awesome for what you are doing!
This is really interesting and thought 🤔 provoking.
You know, JT, you reminded me of a thing that bugged me for a long time when I was a JW. At least in the congs. I attended over many years, was the lack of shepherding by elders.(woeful imo). Imagine being DF’d and trying to work your way back in with all the shunning. I believe the procedure was for the elders to visit such a one once a year. I wonder if that policy is still in place?
Priceless insight, again.
Thank you! Thank you!
So true
So glad you and your wife can make it work, and work well, Jake! I can't get over the elders and COs not pressuring her to leave him/you due to 'spiritual endangerment'. I hope that does not happen.
Sort of give me hope, but then again I'm a woman and WT is extremely sexist, and it's all a roll of the dice/elders no matter your sex.
Great video as always and analysis! In the JW all roads lead to your fault, the truest thing ever said in a video.
So glad I found your channel. Helps a lot to hear others stories considering after I left I had no one to really talk to about this stuff since 2016. I thankfully wasn't baptized so I didn't feel the shunning. After hearing how my parents were disfellowshipped for the dumbest reason, I knew it was time to stop believing in the fairy tale
I was dating a jehovah witness girl from September of 2021 to September 2022 and she broke up with me and pretty much gave me the ultimatum that if I want to get back with her I would have to convert. I said yes because I was in love. All I asked in return was support throughout the process, at first she was all the way from September 2022 to January of this year and then nothing. Hasn’t reached out in the last 5 months, keep in mind I was still going to the meetings and commenting and going door to door.
It wasn’t until I got fed up with her not reaching out that I decided to meet someone else, it opened my eyes, this week I stopped going to the meetings. Texted the guy I was studying with to inform him I’m no longer going and now multiple people are reaching out. I’m glad I met this new person because it opened my eyes. And I was planning on getting baptized next month. I would love to be a guest on your show 😁
I appreciate y’all
Left in 2009 and seeing the governing body was so weird to me! They are so unimpressive and have no specific public speaking skills. I don't know what qualifies them to be there. Stephen Lett is the most ridiculous. I was at visiting my parents and they asked me to display the broadcasting on the TV. It was LETT. So I started laughing hysterically, my parents were no amused they don't even see that the way Lett is addressing them is CONDESCENDING !🤡
I find Anthony Morris the most objectionable. No warmth or charisma whatsoever. Just a scowling, scolding, mumbling, bitter old man. He can't string a coherent sentence together and he resorts to lazy word contractions and slurring. I'm sure he would deserve a "W" for every point of counsel in the now defunct Theocratic Ministry School.
Great to see you on here, Jake!
I was one of those "self-flagellation" df'd persons and I thought I deserved to feel that way. I thought I wouldn't see paradise and I was very sad, I still am actually! But I now know God isn't punishing me and and I do feel better about myself. I was df'd for immorality. I was a very lonely single parent and wanted a partner/husband so I slept with my now ex husband and told on myself. Oh boy.
They seem to lack the ability to feel compassion. I am so very sorry for how you were treated. The emotional blackmail they try to enforce is inhumane imo. Don't feel bad for being human! Sending you love and light. Namaste ❤💥🧘♂️
I so look forward to all of you presenting. Thankyou for your time 👌
Lady Cee and JT I really enjoy your programs. I am an ex jw and I left not telling anyone. I have a jw for over 20 years. I have learned a lot from watching you.
Thank you my dear friends real friends mi say for spending your precious time to helping those confusing people in the JWOrg mirage club I was born in it back in my homeland Thessaloniki Greece bean the third generation of dreamers started in with my grandmother in1926 she got baptised in Thessaloniki my father was only 2 years and his brother 1 years at 3 years old my grandfather was
Mayer of a little town could Toumba in northern Greece 120 kl east of Thessaloniki at 6 years old my father was very joyful to her the bells of the Orthodox Church ringing his father died from ice waters from jumping to get his hunting rifle
Great Job 👍 respect from Detroit #Courage ***FREEDOM***
Hey Fam, thanks!
@@ExJWCriticalThinker Appreciated Thanks Fam!
Thanks JT, LadyC and Jake. You mentioned how they developed a whole doctrine)teaching around a parable in the form of a question, ie. 'faithful slave'.
Just a thought. Recently G Jackson gave 'new light' on John 5:28,29. Part of their reasoning was that if we look carefully, Jesus was talking in the past tense....blah blah
So when will they get the same 'new light' on the faithful slave I wonder. After all, it says:
"Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master APPOINTED over his domestics..."(Matt 24:45)
"Appointed" is in the past tense Watchtower. How will you get around that one with 'new light'. Maybe at the next AGM🤣😂🤣
AND it is a parable. Not a prophecy.
Good point Jenni about the past tense regarding appointment of the FDS! What inconsistency...but that's so typical of WT theology. I wonder if any jws were disciplined or even df'd in the past for insisting that Jesus' words regarding the resurrection were in the past tense. Even though it plainly says so in the verse and always has.
Lady C and JT. I just can’t Thank you enough for your content..❤️❤️❤️
I was talking to a ex pioneer of some forty years, before the end of the all , I wished I’d asked her how it was to go back each time doctrines changed, and call o them to explain to them each time? Wish I had as she was shunning me due to questions I had, she couldn’t get rid of me fast enough
Great episode
another good one!!
And the "Hits" just keep on coming ! 😉👌
Great interview!
I have been married for 39 years. I left the Watchtower organization 30 years ago. My wife is still an active JW, and has been for our entire marriage. We still have a great, loving relationship. The only thing she will not allow me to do is talk with her about her religion. I think she, like most Witnesses, is afraid to leave because she fears losing all her JW friends and family. So she, like most Witnesses, is keeping her head in the sand. Other than that, we have a great marriage, even though we are - according to Watchtower - a “divided household.”