The Chinese army at that time resembled an internal security reserve force than actual army. They didn’t live on a base but in towns, only trained with their own unit of company size. Typical mission was occasional call up to fight bandits. Weapons were swords and spears with a few matchlocks. It’s like saying how come the police can’t win battles.
@rimacutem of Alsvartrsmiðr Which costed them their imperial holdings after ww2 and gave the US both a massive post war golden age and control over European defense policy through NATO.
@@RIFLQ I would say modern China has come a long way compared to the Qing, their military and government is far more centralized then their Qing counter parts and also the opposite of isolationists. From what I have read they are more of the American system now they have a professional main force with a reserve element kinda like the national guard them military police elements.
It was discovered by the British that in the palace storage was hundreds of firearms that was europe's best. They were given as diplomatic gift by the British years ago, the guns were left untouched , rusting and collecting dust. Qing did not care for firearms but rather only cared for archery, even Ming had better guns.
@Paulo Ramos they beat Ming who used firearms back when they were still premature tech, figured Archery was still visible until Qing archers were defeated again and again.
@@planetkc The burning and looting of the old summer palace during the second opium war, the guns were found by British troops along with artworks, jewelry, sculptures, and textiles. Goes to show how they were considered as fancy artifacts.
Sounds unreasonable, the main advantage of Qing over dying Ming would be cannons. If you really do any research, you would discover Qing army's weakness is inflicted by the reliance on firearms which, if not properly trained, does not boost or encourage the morale.
@@PeterStanton wrong. The KOREANS HELPED THE CHINESE. If they simply allowed the Japanese to pass China would be speaking Japanese. But Admiral Yi Sun Shin had other plans
@@GandalftheWise "The KOREANS HELPED THE CHINESE." by not being conquered by Japan? RIDICULOUS expression. Korea would not exist if Ming refused to send its troops in Liaoning to help Korea defend itself against Japan. More interestingly, this action was considered to accelerate Machurian's rebellion against Ming due to a great loss of the army during the Japanese invasion.
@@Nietabs HOI4 is a pretty good game. If you like strategy you'll love it. Nothing better than The American Empire finally invading the British Home Isles because they refused to vacate Aruba.
Qing has a similar status as the Ptolemaic Egypt, a small amount of foreigners forming a government that dominates a much larger population. As the Ptolemaic dynasty was troubled by the loyalty of local Egyptians through its domination, you can imagine how the Manchus feel when sitting in the Forbidden City.
In March 1885, a 67 years old Chinese General called Feng led Qing forces to defeat French General Francois de Negrier's 2nd Brigade which included a battalion of the famous Foreign Legion in the Battle of Bang Bo. The French adminstration under Prime Minister Jules Ferry fell only days after the unexpected defeat. Victories were rare in late Qing but It wasn't all defeats for the Qing Empire.
You've been one of the most uniquely consistent content creators I follow. There's a real charm to the way you produce these videos, everything from the music to the drawings and the way you narrate your stuff. I'm glad you're still presenting this the same way and I'm always looking forward to more.
@@kimok4716 why, most of China's size was also relatively barren frontier territory, while the British still at the time had a globe spanning empire with actual control of most major global strategic points like the Gibraltar straight, Cape of good hope, and the Malacca straight, as well as most of India all of Bangladesh, with nominal control of Egypt, the reset of India, while also "informal empire" over south America since the Spanish empire collapsed there, just because the two large territorial possessions were in the process of being settled doesn't take away the validity of the claim, especially since Britain was undisputed master of the sea and China could barely maintain its boarders and coastlines
@@ultramarine0123 Again I am talking about 1839. At this moment Britain had no control over Egypt, its possessions in Africa were limited to the Cape, not South Africa and I think it only held a few territories in West Africa. Canada and Australia were both lightly populated and Britain's strength came mainly from its mainland, not from overseas territories. I don't know what your informal empire in South America refers to, seems pretty bullshit to me. And control of a few straits isn't enough to go meet the Emperor of China and tell him "sucks to be you". 1919 would have been another conversation however I agree
@@kimok4716 yes they had no official control over Egypt but at this time Britain had their fingers in a lot of pots and ran countries and territories of declining empires without official control this is where the term informal empire comes form I'd suggest you look up the term as it's quite an interesting topic, but Britain in the 1830s had all it's useful territories for the most part the expansion after this point was painting the map red exercises really, and empires always draw the most strength from its core territories
@@kimok4716 Britain had no possessions in West Africa at the time. They were lent a coastal fort by the Dutch, but that's it. Even the Port City of Lagos wouldn't come under their control until much later.
The Ming - Mongol conflicts need their own series. Looking over the Tumu crisis and their conflicts with the Mongols, the Ming seemed to have won most of them in mostly defensive battles. Also, one must be wary of exaggerated figures like 500,000 troops for the Ming.
@Jimmy Xie you stupid? It was tribute state. Ming China and Korea never fought the war. Joseon Korea actually gained more from the sends tribute to China. During the 200 yrs of peace during Joseon Korea sold many horses to China three times the costs. Even the British send tribute to China.
I heard this from a chinese from china, he said during ancient times central plain they were raided because of natural resources and that piece of large land were flat without much mountain perfect for population growth. They mostly just wanted central plain. Modern times of course it all about money and resources.
@@rickyh695 I am one of the descentants of raider tribes and I can assure that it's 90% true. Other 10 percent is the subserviant lower class population of china. They are easier to conquer, the problem is that they are so numerous, whomever conquered those land gets assimilated similar to those who conquer Persia. (I dare ya', I dare anybody who read this, give me a name that conquered persia, hold it for more than a century, and did not accepted their customs)
Hong Xiuquan 洪秀全 didn't really convert to Christianity. He got his hands on some Christian pamphlets and created his own religious system around it after experiencing some sort of mental breakdown. When the Taipings took Nanjing, Westerners made contact with them but did not recognize their movement as a real form of Christianity. As a result, the Western powers preferred to back the Qing empire over the Taiping rebels.
Aw man could you imagine if in an alternate universe where the Teutonic knights when expelled from Livonia by Poland and Lithuania moved to Moscow converted to Protestantism like Brandenburg in our timeline but with Orthodox characteristics and helped the Tsars beat back the golden horde and conquer Siberia and happened upon a landlocked Taiping Heavenly Kingdom and they fight on together with their crazy combination of Christianities in a Jolly crusade toward the sea in coordination with still powerful colonial Spanish Conquestadors and galleons based from the Philippines under direct order of the Pope to supply them up the rivers in a new Far East Holy League united as one against the Qing menace. The Spanish inquisition won't be pleased with having to cooperate with different interpretations of Christianity but they go along with it for the unilateral goal of bolstering christendom in the orient. Hell some American Presbyterian, Quaker, Calvinist, and Baptist preachers by far the most types common western missionaries in our timeline join the crusade. Perhaps the Portuguese even bring over some Abyssinian Orthodox willing to help the cause as well.
Victoria is my favorite concept for any paradox franchise, I just couldn't really get into Vicky 2 so much because it felt so dated to me. I'm really hyped for 3
About the same time, Europe also experienced their own Great Clearance, where most of settlements were withdrawn several miles inland. The difference was, it wasn't decreed by any of the European monarch. Instead it's a spontaneous reaction to Ottoman funded Barbary pirates activity, who escalated their operation to rob and enslave people from Southern and Western European coasts.
By Chinese imperial standards the Qing Emperors as a whole were actually above average. Most of them were politically skilled and trained in the Chinese arts and classics. The Beiyang fleet proved the Chinese had the capital and willpower to acquire modern fleets and arms. What the Chinese lacked was adopting the spirit of modernity and the new rush of ideas that the Japanese successfully did. The latter seriously engaged and analysed Western ideas after the black ship humiliation of commodore Perry, while China never really had that moment of awakening.
Plus Qing's government was too decentralised, inneficient and corrupt that it became very hard to implement a coherent and coordinated modernization effort. You get some parts that were reasonably modernized (i.e Beiyang Fleet, foreign-trained regional armies and various foreign-backed industrial area) but others not so much. Not too mention the fleet itself was plagued with corruption (by the Empress dowager herself nonetheless), and their fate ended up as the 19th Century punching bag
@Uncle Ho The Qing dynasty had a string of good rulers from Kangxi to Yongzheng and then Qianlong. The Ming dynasty went off on a horrible tyrannical start right from the get-go by abolishing the position of grand chancellor and the huge purges from the newly created Dong Chang department. Compared to the previous major Han run dynasties, the Ming are far below the list of my estimation along side of the Han, Tang, and Song dynasties.
More like China had the moment (aka opium wars) but China being a much much bigger country with 6-7 times more people than Japan. It’s harder for them to reform. Qing dynasty did try, and managed to gain some success. They did manage to kick start industrialization in China. But the decentralized effort was impossible to mobilize entire China. And the fall of Qing dynasty slowed down the progress, since warlords need to invest most of their income in fighting other warlords.
which is why people are freaking out about the PRC today. 1949 was that awakening and alot of countries are terrified of what would happen when china becomes number 1 again.
you forget that the tributary system is basically a trade because the tributary states have to send gifts but china have to give back bigger gifts to those countries so to show off wealth and power. if you don't mention this point it's a little misleading.
but because of this system those smaller countries have to listen to china when they intervene in their civil war or wars between tributary countries. so to mediate "peace", especially for countries closer to china, the further they are the less china would do anything as long as they provide tributes, (just like in yuan dynasty when the mongols invades java, indonesia to demand tributes). however yuan dynasty of the mongols have different tributary systems, they require slaves, women, and others while not providing gifts back to the other countries, that's why a lot of countries resisted against mongols' demand of tribute before they conquered southern song dynasty (which is a militarily weakened china with just the south part, but prospers in literature and scientific progress)
Like the USA spending way more money protecting its NATO and East Asian (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan) allies than it actually gets back from them. Those countries LOVE the status quo of being under US military protection, while publicly grumbling about the US being the world's policeman.
@@capmidnite but whatever US orders them to do they will gladly do what US told them to too. and they also won't dare to complain if they got smacked by the US like how Japan got smacked economically in the 80s-90s with protectionism accusation or how the EU's euro got smacked liek a few months after it got released therefore preventign it further high growth. so its a win win for the US, spending money to protect them but also is a good tool in negotiation and way to keep their status as the number 1 power. ancient china is also the same, they got prestige for international politics and internal stability thanks to the tributary system. Taht's why ancient chian is the center of the world, everyone wants to trade with them even fi they are on the opposite side of the world, in the industrial era UK became the central of the wrold and then new US. so whatever country you are the hegemon will always profit more than others even if others profits from the hegemon too.
@@capmidnite you somehow ... totally avoided mentioning biggest parasite - Germany. Not only they started WWII but then Europe was protecting what was left of them from communists that they had deal with prior to WWII. And to be true to thier nature Germans recently now that their best friend forever (aka Russia) is on good terms with them again - they start calling Americans serving in Germany as occupants. Which is cringe at best because once USA decided they will move thier troops to other countries like Poland and or back to Home recently - then Germans got upset at same time because they lost thier meatshield while at same time building up economical superpower through EU. Not to mention also that Germans got rebuilt not by thier own hands but foreign sponsored plans like Marshall plan and whatnot all the time when multiple victims from thier war of aggression got left behind IRON CURTAIN - Czech,Slovakia,Poland,Estonia,Lithuania,Latvia,Ukraine etc. Now today Germans who barelly have any army , but were always shielded from cruel fate by Nato claim themselves to be somehow beacon of Democracy, Liberty and good will. Sadly with enough washed money and PR you can pretend to be anything and anyone those days. Pretend you haven't ruined own continent countless times and ride on some fake morality superiority.
It would be interesting to have a thorough look at how Europe reacted to the Manchu takeover of China. I came across some accounts from the 1600s in the Royal Institution's journals where Europeans treat this as the downfall of Chinese civilisation akin to the Fall of Rome and sympathise with the Han people as oppressed; I did wonder if this is related to later interactions, i.e. Europeans looking down on the Qing in the 18th century as a barbarian overclass only play-acting at running the Chinese civilisation that Europe respected.
I doubt they truly cared who reigned on the other side of the world esp. If china didnt fall to a european neighbour so that one would gain an advantage which after trafalgar was gone for good anyway.
If there is such sentiments i doubt it is widespread among European rulers and contemporaries. Most treaties made with Qing dynasty back then made no distinguishment between the manchu overlords and their han and other central asian subjects,instead they put it together under a westphalian-based concept of a Chinese state.
Europeans are not aware of the real situation in China. until 1793 that George Macartney led a delegation to visit the Qing Dynasty. He really understood the backwardness and weakness of the Qing Dynasty.
Wow I thought no one know this c but yes , there is these kind of article. back then this kind of action even drive the Japanese imperialism. Funny things is , because many of the western publish those article about was saying how Qing empire is the sign of falling of Chinese civilizations , and they describe it as the same way as falling of Rome (these kind of articles was later been suspected as the joint movement that the western and Japan plan as an justification for their invasion to China). Then Japanese step in , and claiming they’re the true inherent of Chinese culture and start to invade China. (Yes they first invade China in the name of preserve Chinese culture 🙄). As the result, million of the Chinese are being murder and killed, and thousand of Chinese traditional book & artifacts that they first claim to be “fake” are being stolen and later been Japanese promoted it and say all these artifacts are gain from the Tang Dynasty (that’s impossible b/c of the superior status of Tang China, Japanese never have the status to own such book). 😡. And to modern day, some old Japanese or ppl who still make excuse for Japan still saying their culture is “real Chinese culture”😅they still say their invasion of China is merely the “civil war “ between Chinese civilizations, and calling them the inherent of Chinese culture, such shameful.
One example would be Japanese stole literally thousand of 雅乐 (traditional Chinese) music script from China during the invasion, sadly they even killed all of the artist who practice 雅乐，and that cause these Chinese traditional music disappeared during 民国 (when China is under control of PRC, aka Taiwan that’s you guys familiar so). And today, there is a Chinese man who spend his entire life to take back all the treasure that was stolen , but Japanese keep refused to do so. Now day, Japanese is making this Chinese traditional indeed nice , but that’s b/c of the music script they stolen from China, and Japanese still mocking China for it. What’s worst is nowadays young student want to restored those old Chinese traditional, and whenever we do it, Japanese just step in and saying we’re copied their cultures 😡 (again , these script are not exchange to Japan during Tang Dynasty, b/c as a vessel state Japan don’t have the status to read such things, otherwise it would consider disloyal to the China ).
When the IJA was fighting the Nationalists Army in 30s, they estimated from experience that an IJA battalion was an equal match for a Chinese division. Later, when the nationalists got tons of American weapons that were way superior to the IJA’s, the nationalists started to fair a little better.
If I recall correctly didn’t a Nationalist Division fluctuate greatly in manpower? That is to say, a Chinese Division was not equal to an IJA Division in terms of troop number. I’d assume the warlord centric nature of the Kuomintang had a large part in this discrepancy.
The Qing dynasty wasn't weak. Not the entire dynasty anyway. It was weak by the end and that happens to literally every dynasty ever. Qing was far from being the weakest ancient Chinese dynasty. A major explanation for why it was so weak by the end was because the monarch were supercilious and xenophobic. As the world outside went through industrialisation and rapid reform the Qing emperors insisted on traditions and stability and refused to change for the better. It was too late when they realised it. Actually what I mean is... the title may be misleading.
Qing is the weakest because Qing kills its people’s free thinking. The whole country was sick and everyone was addicted with the drugs. Literally all the Chinese at that time was living in a dream
No dynasty last for ever. In China a dynasty hardly last more than 200years. Qing was 200years old when it countered industrialized western powers. Bad luck.
Only The West had access to Scientific thinking and advanced Technologies between 17-19th century. Qing was unlucky its reign coincided with the Industrial Revolution.
@@chisamatoi1682 that was not true. Qing as extremely strong in its first half, it conquered Xingjian and Tibet, incorporated Mongolia and Manchuria, and maintained tributary relationship with many states such as Korea and Vietnam. Imperial China was the largest dynasty in its history. And the intellectual development in Qing was okay, it had one of the four classics the Dream of the Red Chamber published.
@@HistoricalWeapons false narratives indeed served china well...china assuming the identity of their former slave masters the Qing to grab territories of other nations...china claiming the conquest and legacies of their former colonizer...
@@tengteng4076 except China isn't just the Han. That's like saying a country is only what the majority population are. Were the British enslaved when their royal family were French and German rather than Anglo? Manchus, like the Hui, Miao, Zhuang, Yi, etc are all Chinese, regardless of how much of the population they make up. Plus, Manchu culture has reshaped China's culture, and many things that people attribute to China or even the Han originally came from the Manchus
I think one of my favorite parts of the first opium was that the Qing feared losing power so they centralized so much that commandeered needed the emperors approval to begin a battle so when they would see British ships off the mainland instead of just firing the Chinese commanders would send a message to the emperor to ask for approval and when it would arrive back the ships were long gone. Another funny thing is that the Ming dynasty were such good architects that when a British commander boasted he would destroy the walls of a Chinese city and gave the order to fire the walls which were about 300 years old at that point barely had any damage done to them.
well yes, but to add it more, China politic was extremely "chaotic", in second you are a general, a hero of your country, a second later you could have your head chopped off. But why tho? because of your Rival politician, those who always surrounded the emperor, whispering lies to the him. So a smart general would always wait for command because he knew he would not be there to explain his action. Yes the moment the general met his emperor, he would be reduced to a head only.
What makes the wall thing crazier is a century later the Japanese tried to destroy ancient Chinese walls with modern artillery and bombers still nothing. They played pivotal roles in the defense of China in WW2. Many of those Chinese walls stand today. Its almost like China is known for building walls.
@@stevenw2933 Think some of the ancient Chinese walls were destroyed by the Cultural Revolution instead e.g. the ones surrounding _Nanjing_ (Think only the city of _Xian_ has a fully intact ancient wall around its perimeter today)
@@lzh4950 Those walls were being destroyed continuously after ww2, not just due to the cultural revolution. The main reason is that it costs money to upkeep and the locals generally wanted to reuse the stones to build housing. It has very little to do with artifact destruction that happened elsewhere. The ones in the major cities were taken down intentionally to open up space for new construction. You will find better preserved walls generally in the west/south west area of China whereas in the north and east coast its almost all gone except for the gates.
Well, the walls are pretty thick and packed. Nothing short of modern shells are going to pierce them. You could probably line up a couple elephants on them
Before the Western Industrial Revolution, China had a dominant position in East Asia. It was in a period of political corruption, busy with internal struggles, and was captured by the northern nomads.
During that time, tea was getting popular in England.The problem was that the only acceptable payment by the Chinese for their tea was silver. There were not enough amounts of silver in British treasury and ,as there was no need for western products in China , the British had to buy silver from other European countries in high prices.That's why they started importing opium in China from plantations in India to combat the trade deficit.
The Arabs have been trading in Opium with the Chinese since the 7th century. Even before the British went to India, the earlier Mughal Government had state monopoly on opium and India exported opium to its neighbours. This was since the time of Mughal Emperor Akbar of India. The British did not control the most important opium growing region of India, Malwa in the beginning. And all the opium money went to the treasury of the British Indian Government, not the British government.
Was fixing the trade deficit actually the stated goal? Making money is enough of a goal for the East India Company, why would they care so much about the health of the overall British economy?
It was more than just tea. There was also porcelain, fans, and even Western-style mechanical clocks. Mechanical clocks were produced cheaper in Guangdong than in England.
@@APersonOnTH-camX The North star always sits above the northern axis of the Earths spin, the other stars move in the opposite direction of the spin around the Northern star.
海納百川，有容乃大。壁立千仞，無欲則剛。 "The sea accepts the waters of a hundred rivers; its tolerance results in its grandeur" - Poem by Lin Zexu (Anti British Chinese freedom fighter)
Calling Lin Zexu an anti-British Chinese freedom fighter is a stretch when he was blamed and exiled by the Chinese to Xinjiang for losing a war that was impossible to win. He was one of the only Qing officials that took the British army seriously and realized how powerful they were. He was open to Western technology and innovation to improve China but the government betrayed him. Being pro-China doesn't mean being anti-West and being pro-West doesn't mean being anti-China.
No, he is not. he knew exactly how big the gap of military power is and he still blame others for efforts of peace talk. He is kind of 清流 at the end of Ming dynasty, a group of people use ideology to cover their interests. Lin admited the war could not be won later, yet he blame a bureau who suggest peace to the ruler. he did this for his fame.
The late Qing Dynasty was already having the symptoms of a failing empire before the Opium War. Economic crisis, income inequality, ethnic tensions, religious wackos, widespread corruption and protectionism. Which led to the Opium War and foreign invasions. Reform and modernization are still the top priorities in modern China.
“Our Celestial Empire possesses all things in prolific abundance and lacks no product within its borders. There is therefore no need to import the manufacturers of outside barbarians in exchange for our own produce” It sounds like what they’re trying to do with semiconductors and what’s they have already done with high speed trains. For instance, the Macartney Embassy brought clocks as a means to encourage the purchase of British manufactured goods, but Western mechanical clocks were already manufactured in the Qing Empire at a cheaper price! (Maybe blame the Jesuits for ruining the clock manufacturing supply chain security, right?)
The problem is Qing can't make clocks and trains. Qing looks like USA today. they are losing their manufacturing industry. regard themselves as world center isolated from the world. they boycott chinese products like Qing dose.
@@taiwancanhelp6582 Sounds like you've never visited the Guangzhou Huangpu Port to learn about the clocks manufactured in the Qing Empire. journal.hautehorlogerie.org/en/chinese-made-clocks-in-the-qing-dynasty/
@@taiwancanhelp6582 Uh, no. The US doesn't boycott Chinese products and is very much a center of world trade. And the US, while lost much of their manufacturing industry, maintained what it had for the past decade. There is no comparison between the Qing in the US whatsoever.
The Qing Dynasty came from nomadic people from Mongolia and other places, they didn't think they were Chinese, they thought we were inferior, then the West attacked China, the Qing Dynasty was defeated, the Han people ruled China again, and the Qing Dynasty Manchus were worried about the Han people's retaliation, they changed their surnames, and these damn it nomads
@@sitanhuang9402 and what's so special about your blood? Han emperors couldn't defeat any of the so called barbarians without a partner from those barbarians themselves. Especially the Turks participated in so many wars of Chinese Hans against others
Excellent synopsis of the complex factors that shaped China’s relations with an ever encroaching world and its “century of humiliation”. Essential prerequisite for understanding its present mindset and role on the international stage.
Its a bit unfair though to paint the Chinese as so weak, instead of the Europeans as so strong. Whites conquered the entire planet, not just China. Africa, North America, South America, Australia, SE.Asia, there was no empire in the world that could withstand white dominance.
“century of humiliation” is masochism and paranoia of persecution history view，Chinese never know what humiliation and dignity are for thousand years till now
In fact, the biggest regret of the Battle of Tumubao is not that the Ming Dynasty lost its elite troops, but that this incident changed its political ecology. Since then, the Ming Dynasty has changed from an export-oriented country to a conservative country.
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@@franciscoflamenco There are ignorant people everywhere. And it is an useful practise to rally your people under the banner of nationalism in time of crisis.
@@武松打虎-z7n Nationalism is usually just an irrational knee-jerk reaction to problems where a country lashes out at foreign entities and blames them for its problems. China was more liberal and free before Xi Jinping came to power and was better for it.
@@Strideo1 I agree with your first statement but not really with the 2nd. I've lived in China previously and also recently. Bribing and corruption was quite common in the early 2000s. For all of Xi's faults, his anti-corruption scheme was the one aspect that I think was wildly successful in my experience
@@gungdegalang4635 the japanese tried to conquer korea so they would have a launching point for an invasion of china so them being scared of china is very unlikey
That's true. The army of Ming is the main force to defeat Japanese, just like the PLA played a major role in the Korean War. 400 years ago, Korea treated Ming Dynasty as father and built monument in memory of the army of Ming Dynasty, but nowadays, Koreans belittled or even ignored the contribution and sacrifice of Ming Dynasty, which brings shame to their ancestors.
As a Hmong (A Miao in Chinese terms) I’m grateful fo you ever mentioning the Miao rebellion and the Miao and Hmong people in a minor way as it’s just how it is.
Aren't Hmong and Miao actually different ethnicities, but since China didn't have Hmong as a recognized ethnicity all the Hmong in China just identified themselves as Miao?
@@danshakuimo well you're not wrong but Miao is the Chinese term to call us. In ancient China Miao was the word for southern barbarian. Hmong is the word the "Miao" people call ourselves. Miao calling to another Miao is Hmong but an outsider like a Han Chinese would call us Miao. In addition durring the Spring and Autumn (warring states period) China's frist emperor Qin Shi Huang had sepertated the Hmong people into 5 separate groups and scattered them down south where most of them had created thier own culture and identity but we still call each other Hmong
@@熊掌波清波 Well in the old Chinese language Miao is what the Han Chinese called the Hmong people. And for a written word well.....the Hmong written language was long forgotten when Qin empire starts to destroy all the history of the many other kingdoms in the waring states and especially the Hmong written language. Our current written language is just 50 years old translated to a written language by the Americans after thr Vietnam war
Thank you for this. I had Chinese History back when I was in school, but a lot of the details were omitted. For instance, I never knew trouble was brewing in Tibet, that contributed to the signing of the Treaty of Nanking.
This guy omitted a lot of details too. His take and video isnt accurate and you shouldnt trust it. For example, the Chinese did way more in the Imjin War.
This channel have many other mistaken infos and that poor guy probably doesn't know it :( In this Video i notice several mistakes.... he could have done some real research to what he was talking about, maybe he just jumped to conclusion too fast
This is a heck lot of work involved. Well done! It's great to listen to genuine historical facts. Once politics is not involved, the comment section is peaceful and sound.
@@lkcdarzadix6216 Korea have own cultures too. Koreans just had to deal with both Chinese and Japanese pirates during the joseon. and Japanese can’t just stay in their own island.
@@jtsy7499 They don’t stay on their collection of god forsaken islands because they’re exactly that: GOD FORSAKEN ISLANDS. This is bound to happen to any people who live on islands. Resources VERY quickly become strained and as such, one of 2 solutions has to be implemented: conquest or diaspora. This very fate happened also to the British who were conquerors and is happening now to the Filipinos who are creating a massive, global diaspora.
This was a wonderfully made high level summary of the changes in Chinese political and territorial history. Not only that it helped the understanding of the demise of an empire, it also helped us reconsider the many claims the west and the current China made against controversial territories of Tibet, Xinjiang, and Taiwan. I speculate that even if China was ruled by a democratic system today, she would still not have been willing to relinquish the claims to those territories over the many benefits in national defence and natural resource terms.
Very good video,thank you for your efforts. I can appreciate the fact that this must take infinitely more time than a 3 min video. Let's hope it notifies people about your channel.
Its amasing how chinese and russians became naibors...both where expanding on simular time toward each other...russians where allready in sibiria bevore manchu became emperors of china
@@samiamrg7 today manchus are a lost minority between 100 million han chinese settler in manchuria...in the russian far east are only 8 million russians...indinous groups like the sakha people got own province republic...its not too bad
One has to be ridiculously Eurocentric to blame the end of the Qing Dynasty on the Opium Wars, a million and one stabs ended the Empire, in fact many other wars during this same period were more impactful.
@@kye4216 That's an ironic analogy, it's not only wrong, but it's wrong for the exact reason you are making an analogy in the first place. The Japanese didn't surrender just because of the Soviets, they surrendered because of the compound of: an imminent US invasion, the Atomic capabilities of the US, & the Soviets joining the war.
@@goosenuggets9693 well maybe you can argue the bombs added pressure but the Japanese intended to keep fighting the Americans and their plan revolved around gaining an alliance with the Russians. i think its telling which had more of an impact when after the first atomic bomb was doped one of the members of the supreme war council proposed a meeting to discuss it and none of the others thought it was worth it. the Russians declared war and that council were in a meeting within hours
@@kye4216The USA did the hard work in fighting Japan, the Soviets pounced on a weakened Japanese Empire and took Korea and Manchuria. Created a needless division in Korea, which still plaques that nation.
@@mudra5114 it doesn’t matter which side fought the Japanese more the thing that forced them to surrender was the Russians declaring war not the bombs, people claim it was the bombs to justify all the civilians it killed
In 874, Huang Chao launched a rebellion against the Tang Dynasty. In 878，He retreated to southern China and occupied Guangzhou, Huang Chao believed that mercenaries under foreign merchants had helped the Tang Dynasty to fight. So after the fall of Guangzhou, Huang Chao ordered the slaughter of the city, and not only Muslim merchants, but also local officials and people were slaughtered.
be aware that the muslim killing and start many massacre there! anywhere there's muslim ,there's massive bloody death we all know that ,so huangcao did a great job,well done
He was Christian, saying otherwise is redundant, he read the Bible and believed one is redeemed through faith in Christ. At worse he is not Christian in that he does not follow Tradition i.e Catholic or Orthodox, but as far as the Sola Scriptura and Solia Fide is concern, he is definitely Christian.
@@巫轟 he literally called himself Jesus brother No sola scriptura there Quite the opposite He worshiped himself and got others to worship him too and not Christ
@@jonathanwilliams1065 That is not unchristian, it is the opposite. It is one of the basic tenets of Christianity, that we are adopted sons of God through Jesus Christ. Matt 12:50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister
this is a traditional way to start a rebellion in China, and if you have interest in 3 kindoms the yellow banner army also quote themself "the green heaven is dead so the yellow must rise"
For the privileged Chinese youngsters today who experienced none of the hardships of the earlier days, this video is brilliant, it serves as a wake call that there was a time in China when it was backward and disorganised. Wars are like vicious cycle, war breeds wars and in turn breeds more wars, WW2 has its origin in WW1, WW1 has part of its origin in the scramble for China, scramble for Africa, Germany being too late in the game for the colonial expansion. Wars should be relegated to the dustbins of history.
@私 just finished playing counter strike have ya? you do realise that in real wars you don't get to respawn right? heck, otherwise I'll be up for it as well. wars do have the perverse effect of accelerating societal development, but is it worth it? would you rather jump off a building so that the suicide hotline can improve on their service? just a few questions for ya boy
The disasters of 1848 aren't mentioned here. The map shows the Yellow river flowing out north of Shandong, but before 1848 it flowed out near Shanghai. The shift of the river banks caused catastrophic flooding all across Northern china.
I get the feeling that China, as a whole, is a bolted-together empire in haphazard way. Much the same as the Roman Empire as i recall, with the similar requirement of a charismatic imperial dictatorship to hold it together.
@@Foxtrottangoabc with modern transportation and telecommunications, those geographic barriers quickly become irrelevant. While individual provinces might fight over resources and influence 50 years ago. Today populations shift between them rapidly and supply chain interdependence pretty much means any seperatist tenancies are a non-starter.
There is fundamental differences between ancient China and Ancient Rome. Ancient China was somehow a empire governing through somewhat civil servant bureaucratic system similar to modern state while Roman Empire is in reality just an empire in name but a republic in its soul controlling its faraway provinces with military power, it is actually more similar to British empire.
If I'm not mistaken there are a couple videos on YT that dabble on the Japanese campaigns in Korea , Kings and Generals's one is a great watch imo . Tbh I was surprised at the military capabilities of the Joseon kingdom and also the extent of Ming aid. Interesting subject to say the least
Thats not completely true, while yes the Ming Chinese were a huge help in defeating the Japanese, it was mainly the Joseon navy that proved to be the main reason to why the Japanese lost in the LONG RUN.
Joseon asked the Ming for help, but wouldn't receive much of it until the Joseon Navy proved they could prevent Japan from getting past. This gave the confidence for the Ming to relax its posture and spare ships and troops for the Peninsula.
Just read the comments below. Even today, so many westerners still are proud of their colonial history, never apologize to the invaded countries. Is it common that you think it is your right to invade the weak countries when you are strong? I think that is the root reason why they are afraid of a strong China. They believe China will invade them back when China recovers from the weakness, just like what they did in history.
China's history is that of being ruthless imperialists to begin with. Thousands of years of history of crushing it's neighbors. Compared to that, the West are babies.
@@tahmkench118Without the series of coincidences surrounding the demise of the Ming Dynasty, it would have been impossible for the world to have been dominated by the West in recent centuries.
This is a fantastic video on Chinese geophysical and ethnic history.. I have always found Chinese history very difficult to follow..and this video makes it easier
Because the Chinese do not need those things, why do they change it ? Agriculture is civilized and self-sufficient. To inhibit the existence of commerce and capital, machines are just a pile of scrap iron.
@@vstachen7761 China: "why do everybody invade and hates me? I done nothing wrong" Also China: "hehe I'm better then everyone, everyone should give me gifts, I'm gonna stir up civil wars in Mongol tribes, Tibetan tribes, Korea, Turkish communities and Japan because they are SOOO backwards and primitive" *mongols, japan, turkish then proceeds to invade China* Man, what innocent victims they are, china truly has never done anything wrong to anger such "savage" tribes.
@@asscheeks3212 I just answer a fact. You are with your modern vision and emotions.Every country has its own historical narrative. Should China thank them for their invasion? Isn't your country's history always telling about the invasion of other countries?
@@asscheeks3212 Around the world, people are hate Western colonialism and imperialism even more. Middle East countries, Central and South America, and the African continent. You are immersed in Western media and self-media propaganda.
From the title, a lot of professional army officers were asking the same question. And not just for the Qin Army but other armies that they have fought against such as in India, in which their soldiers and warriors fought with fanaticism and their cannoneers defended their cannons to the last.
@@ashutoshsharma7923 didn't the sikh empire fought china ?? Even though the indians in 17th and 18th century were fighting against afghans more prominantly
very interesting to watch history retold. Just one thing i picked up, the revolt of the three feudatories happened during Kang Xi's reign 1670s to 1680s. 1661 was when emperor Kang Xi took over from emperor Shun Zi and also when the Ming Loyalist of the Zheng Family drove the dutch out of Famosa/Taiwan
Imv the impressive thing is just resilient the Qing Dynasty was in the Nineteenth Century. Famines Rebellions The First Opium War Sikh Invasion (who knew!!) Start of Taiping Rebellion 2nd Opium War The Taiping Rebellion (still) Some Other miscellaneous Rebellions The War in Annan First Sino-Japanese War Boxer Rebellion But after all that s##t ....they are still there in 1911!?
for some the europeans help the qing to stay in power so they can keep exploiting the country. for the others, the chinese people can actually take a whole lot of punishment before rebelling en mass.
Yeah and becuase of that looked who's the puppy now, if not because of USA make a deal with arabian to sell oil only to USA dollar, I bet china will politically dominated
It was strong enough to withstand 10 invaders for 70 years without falling into a complete colony, and it crashed several Rebellion before it finally died out.
The only reason it didn't fall into a colony was that the Western powers didn't want it or didn't want others to get it. The British got what they wanted in the Opium wars, selling opium to buy tea. Later they did divide China into zones of influence.
also they were generally an incompetent force by modern standards. They weren't a professional army by the standards of the time, they were organised more like medieval levees than a modern force.
@@AeneasGemini The funny thing is this awful organization just had a domino effect throughout the whole military. It's one thing to have a bunch of incompetent generals, but now imagine giving them some weird armies with a mix of semi-modern forces and those stuck in the Middle Ages. Even if they understood decent tactics for either extreme, they're so disjointed that nobody could hope to combine them productively. And even if you did, logistics would kill your campaigns faster when you have to manage all those different supplies without knowing what you could expect to get.
@@perrytran9504 nah. The brits were in the yangtzee charging the capital before the chinese had mobilized at all. They needed to keep the british ships out if the rivers like the us did. They were unstoppable in close quarters ship to ship and the chinese had a history of flimsy river ships...
Ｉ would like to point out there‘s no such thing as “24 banners”. Hans and Mongols belonged to different companies under different banners，but there were only 8. “汉八旗/蒙古八旗” “Han/Mongol 8 banners” was only a figure of speech.
South Korea has historically been a dependent country of China. They learn Chinese. The new South Korean king must be granted the title of Emperor Beijing before they can take office. Japan has attacked South Korea many times, and China has helped South Korea fight Japan. Vietnam is the same.
@@xiangzhang1127 Japan only attacked korea during 2 wars since the formation of the Korean sate. Imjin war 1592, and sino Japanese war which was mostly a war against China and not against korea, the war just happened to be in Korea.
The so called 'Christophobia' was a syndrome that plagued all Eastern leaders since 16th Century well into 19th Century (With such leaders defeated) and then reemerged in the mid 20th Century as a part of Eastern Nationalism that viewed Christianity (except in few countries) as an antagonism. Interesting enough, such syndrome led to series of bad public policies in Asia of that time, and itself a big obstacle towards modernizations. It didn't only happened in China, but also elsewhere in Asia, Japan right after Tokugawa clan rose to power, Ayutthaya about a century after. This impeded so much tech transmissions from the Wests. and further led to corrupt and complacent rulers and overlords who never truly understood what actually 'standing army' is and what it takes to run them. With exceptions to Islamic Asian Countries, most of them held firm the 'God King' concepts that no longer Valid in the Wests (And surprisingly enough Japan of the Meiji Restoration even reinforced such concepts with the odd mix of western Science, tech and politics.)
One Chinese emperor won a battle because his enemy’s camp was struck by a meteor, thus people think this emperor is a true Demigod. Shit like this happens.
"Thankfully to China, Korean navy defeated the Japanese" This is the sentence that completely discredits this video. 99% of Korean territory was conquered by Japanese within the first month, and the King went to Ming for protection. Ming, sent massive troops and a strong navy to Korea, and drove Japanese away over series of battles. Several yaers later, Japanese invaded again, and the story is exactly like the first time. Except this time Hideyoshi died and caused them to retreat. At the very end of Ming dynasty, Zheng Chenggong's navy took Taiwan back from Dutch over battle. Indeed, Ming had its ups and downs, but this impression of 'ridiculous weakness' that video is trying to render, is completely false
@That one dude you see in your dreams No, it's ok if details are off, but in this case, the maintake is wrong, and the idea behind the whole video is false. That's not the small mistakes you refer to
@@fio123 China history and culture sucks? You arent smart are you? What is metric that can tell anyone nation history and culture sucks? Hahaha thats so dumb. History and culture are only that, you might not like them but that does not means they suck.
When you realize losing stability due to comets was actually a thing irl
Ace Combat Fans: 👀
Stop looking at the sky!
@@HansLemurson Oooooooh it burns
"I wish we lived in more enlightened times.."
eu4 moment
The Chinese army at that time resembled an internal security reserve force than actual army. They didn’t live on a base but in towns, only trained with their own unit of company size. Typical mission was occasional call up to fight bandits. Weapons were swords and spears with a few matchlocks. It’s like saying how come the police can’t win battles.
So it's like modern China as well
@@RIFLQ LOL
@@RIFLQ That’s what MacArthur thought in 1951
@rimacutem of Alsvartrsmiðr Which costed them their imperial holdings after ww2 and gave the US both a massive post war golden age and control over European defense policy through NATO.
@@RIFLQ I would say modern China has come a long way compared to the Qing, their military and government is far more centralized then their Qing counter parts and also the opposite of isolationists. From what I have read they are more of the American system now they have a professional main force with a reserve element kinda like the national guard them military police elements.
It was discovered by the British that in the palace storage was hundreds of firearms that was europe's best. They were given as diplomatic gift by the British years ago, the guns were left untouched , rusting and collecting dust. Qing did not care for firearms but rather only cared for archery, even Ming had better guns.
@Paulo Ramos they beat Ming who used firearms back when they were still premature tech, figured Archery was still visible until Qing archers were defeated again and again.
Source: trust me bro
@@planetkc The burning and looting of the old summer palace during the second opium war, the guns were found by British troops along with artworks, jewelry, sculptures, and textiles. Goes to show how they were considered as fancy artifacts.
Sounds unreasonable, the main advantage of Qing over dying Ming would be cannons. If you really do any research, you would discover Qing army's weakness is inflicted by the reliance on firearms which, if not properly trained, does not boost or encourage the morale.
Dude, they just could sneak attack the British
“Must be the wind”
I think it was a bit of an oversight not to mention that the Ming helped the Koreans significantly in beating off the Japanese in the Imjin War.
Beating off you say?
@@thgentleman9210 Yes, go ahead and write your fanfic about it, gentleman.
@@PeterStanton wrong. The KOREANS HELPED THE CHINESE. If they simply allowed the Japanese to pass China would be speaking Japanese. But Admiral Yi Sun Shin had other plans
@@GandalftheWise "The KOREANS HELPED THE CHINESE." by not being conquered by Japan? RIDICULOUS expression. Korea would not exist if Ming refused to send its troops in Liaoning to help Korea defend itself against Japan. More interestingly, this action was considered to accelerate Machurian's rebellion against Ming due to a great loss of the army during the Japanese invasion.
@@xiaochenlong8657 Korea help China against Japan and against the manchus. Even when they were conquered they continued to help the Ming government
Incompetent general is more dangerous than powerful enemies
Incompetent Allies are more dangerous than Competent enemies
TRUE.
@@carlrodalegrado4104 *cough cough* ww2 *cough cough* Italy
_Too_ competent general can be even more dangerous, though.
I can't believe that us Koreans were even more pathetic and weaker than this China.
They had low mandate +50% fire and shock dmg is no joke
Is this some Hoi4 meme? cuz I don't played that game
@@Nietabs eu4
Jeah and hords a complitly OP
Casus Belli acquired: "Take the Mandate of Heaven"
@@Nietabs HOI4 is a pretty good game. If you like strategy you'll love it. Nothing better than The American Empire finally invading the British Home Isles because they refused to vacate Aruba.
Qing has a similar status as the Ptolemaic Egypt, a small amount of foreigners forming a government that dominates a much larger population. As the Ptolemaic dynasty was troubled by the loyalty of local Egyptians through its domination, you can imagine how the Manchus feel when sitting in the Forbidden City.
W u h a n v i r u s spotted
wtf are these responses, did the mental ward suddenly decide to release the two commenters above me?
@@fedyx1544 Yeah, good question. Total idiots.
@@YizhouRong bruh it cant even build toilets
I feel bad for Manchus 😔 they had to invade and rule over China to protect Manchuria from the Chinese.
In March 1885, a 67 years old Chinese General called Feng led Qing forces to defeat French General Francois de Negrier's 2nd Brigade which included a battalion of the famous Foreign Legion in the Battle of Bang Bo. The French adminstration under Prime Minister Jules Ferry fell only days after the unexpected defeat. Victories were rare in late Qing but It wasn't all defeats for the Qing Empire.
Tbh defeating the French at that time isn't something to brag about.
@@jessiehuynh7495 it is kinda funny seeing france get kicked down by everyone during that time, deservedly so.
@@jessiehuynh7495 it was the second most powerful in the world
@@mantea3481 the koreans too
@@mint8648 No, that honor goes to the Germans.
Who also kicked France’s ass, twice.
You've been one of the most uniquely consistent content creators I follow. There's a real charm to the way you produce these videos, everything from the music to the drawings and the way you narrate your stuff. I'm glad you're still presenting this the same way and I'm always looking forward to more.
I'd love to be in the Room when that Man found out the English "rebels" had far bigger empire than China
I don't think it was true in 1839. Plus comparing barren Canada to China kind of doesn't make sense
@@kimok4716 why, most of China's size was also relatively barren frontier territory, while the British still at the time had a globe spanning empire with actual control of most major global strategic points like the Gibraltar straight, Cape of good hope, and the Malacca straight, as well as most of India all of Bangladesh, with nominal control of Egypt, the reset of India, while also "informal empire" over south America since the Spanish empire collapsed there, just because the two large territorial possessions were in the process of being settled doesn't take away the validity of the claim, especially since Britain was undisputed master of the sea and China could barely maintain its boarders and coastlines
@@ultramarine0123 Again I am talking about 1839. At this moment Britain had no control over Egypt, its possessions in Africa were limited to the Cape, not South Africa and I think it only held a few territories in West Africa. Canada and Australia were both lightly populated and Britain's strength came mainly from its mainland, not from overseas territories. I don't know what your informal empire in South America refers to, seems pretty bullshit to me.
And control of a few straits isn't enough to go meet the Emperor of China and tell him "sucks to be you".
1919 would have been another conversation however I agree
@@kimok4716 yes they had no official control over Egypt but at this time Britain had their fingers in a lot of pots and ran countries and territories of declining empires without official control this is where the term informal empire comes form I'd suggest you look up the term as it's quite an interesting topic, but Britain in the 1830s had all it's useful territories for the most part the expansion after this point was painting the map red exercises really, and empires always draw the most strength from its core territories
@@kimok4716 Britain had no possessions in West Africa at the time. They were lent a coastal fort by the Dutch, but that's it. Even the Port City of Lagos wouldn't come under their control until much later.
The Ming - Mongol conflicts need their own series. Looking over the Tumu crisis and their conflicts with the Mongols, the Ming seemed to have won most of them in mostly defensive battles. Also, one must be wary of exaggerated figures like 500,000 troops for the Ming.
I’ve found TH-cam lacking in quality Ming and Qing (especially pre Opium War) videos.
@@kingstarscream320 have you checked out extra history
Do not ever watch Extra History.
@@jtsy7499 how? can you explain to me
@Jimmy Xie you stupid? It was tribute state. Ming China and Korea never fought the war. Joseon Korea actually gained more from the sends tribute to China. During the 200 yrs of peace during Joseon Korea sold many horses to China three times the costs. Even the British send tribute to China.
"Why is this place always on fire?" -everyone who's tried to rule China in the last three thousand years
I heard this from a chinese from china, he said during ancient times central plain they were raided because of natural resources and that piece of large land were flat without much mountain perfect for population growth. They mostly just wanted central plain. Modern times of course it all about money and resources.
For the mongol, they want everywhere under their banner. China happen to be close by.
@@rickyh695 I am one of the descentants of raider tribes and I can assure that it's 90% true.
Other 10 percent is the subserviant lower class population of china. They are easier to conquer, the problem is that they are so numerous, whomever conquered those land gets assimilated similar to those who conquer Persia.
(I dare ya', I dare anybody who read this, give me a name that conquered persia, hold it for more than a century, and did not accepted their customs)
@@hannibalburgers477 Same is true for Rome,most of the invaders got assimilated or adopted many of their customs.
geography plus culture. The conflict between population and land. 王侯将相宁有种乎？
Hong Xiuquan 洪秀全 didn't really convert to Christianity. He got his hands on some Christian pamphlets and created his own religious system around it after experiencing some sort of mental breakdown. When the Taipings took Nanjing, Westerners made contact with them but did not recognize their movement as a real form of Christianity. As a result, the Western powers preferred to back the Qing empire over the Taiping rebels.
Yes,he claim that he is jesus and didnt get apporved by any major church at all
@@haidweng7948 oh yeah that Jesus brother guy
@@haidweng7948 *Any major western church.
Aw man could you imagine if in an alternate universe where the Teutonic knights when expelled from Livonia by Poland and Lithuania moved to Moscow converted to Protestantism like Brandenburg in our timeline but with Orthodox characteristics and helped the Tsars beat back the golden horde and conquer Siberia and happened upon a landlocked Taiping Heavenly Kingdom and they fight on together with their crazy combination of Christianities in a Jolly crusade toward the sea in coordination with still powerful colonial Spanish Conquestadors and galleons based from the Philippines under direct order of the Pope to supply them up the rivers in a new Far East Holy League united as one against the Qing menace. The Spanish inquisition won't be pleased with having to cooperate with different interpretations of Christianity but they go along with it for the unilateral goal of bolstering christendom in the orient. Hell some American Presbyterian, Quaker, Calvinist, and Baptist preachers by far the most types common western missionaries in our timeline join the crusade. Perhaps the Portuguese even bring over some Abyssinian Orthodox willing to help the cause as well.
@@JBGARINGAN Yeah it is hard to wrap your mind around some really plausible alternate history scenarios.
I can relate to the Yongzheng Emperor. Always wanted to cosplay as many characters and try out many ethnic clothes.
Yeah kinda reminds me of Justin Trudeau 😂
@@Cyltik hahahahahaha
@@Cyltik Lol hahaha yeah he's super cringe
@@Cyltik wouldn't Trudeau tell him off for cultural appropriation though ?
@@Cyltik its funny and sad at the same time if you're Canadian.
Can’t wait for Victoria 3 so I could play Qing
You’ll have to wait for the dlc to have any unique mechanics or flavour though ;)
Victoria is my favorite concept for any paradox franchise, I just couldn't really get into Vicky 2 so much because it felt so dated to me. I'm really hyped for 3
Well until it comes out EU4 might work for that Spanish invasion idea. ?;- )
@Soldat Kaiyodo ＋1
@Soldat Kaiyodo First win the Opium War, then let the revolutionary party come to power.
About the same time, Europe also experienced their own Great Clearance, where most of settlements were withdrawn several miles inland. The difference was, it wasn't decreed by any of the European monarch. Instead it's a spontaneous reaction to Ottoman funded Barbary pirates activity, who escalated their operation to rob and enslave people from Southern and Western European coasts.
But only black people were ever enslaved.... Right?😂
By Chinese imperial standards the Qing Emperors as a whole were actually above average. Most of them were politically skilled and trained in the Chinese arts and classics. The Beiyang fleet proved the Chinese had the capital and willpower to acquire modern fleets and arms. What the Chinese lacked was adopting the spirit of modernity and the new rush of ideas that the Japanese successfully did. The latter seriously engaged and analysed Western ideas after the black ship humiliation of commodore Perry, while China never really had that moment of awakening.
Plus Qing's government was too decentralised, inneficient and corrupt that it became very hard to implement a coherent and coordinated modernization effort.
You get some parts that were reasonably modernized (i.e Beiyang Fleet, foreign-trained regional armies and various foreign-backed industrial area) but others not so much. Not too mention the fleet itself was plagued with corruption (by the Empress dowager herself nonetheless), and their fate ended up as the 19th Century punching bag
@Uncle Ho The Qing dynasty had a string of good rulers from Kangxi to Yongzheng and then Qianlong. The Ming dynasty went off on a horrible tyrannical start right from the get-go by abolishing the position of grand chancellor and the huge purges from the newly created Dong Chang department. Compared to the previous major Han run dynasties, the Ming are far below the list of my estimation along side of the Han, Tang, and Song dynasties.
More like China had the moment (aka opium wars) but China being a much much bigger country with 6-7 times more people than Japan. It’s harder for them to reform. Qing dynasty did try, and managed to gain some success. They did manage to kick start industrialization in China. But the decentralized effort was impossible to mobilize entire China. And the fall of Qing dynasty slowed down the progress, since warlords need to invest most of their income in fighting other warlords.
@@royhuang9715 It would have been possible if guangxu was alive, and cixi pretty much killed off that hope, and placed a puppet emperor on the throne.
which is why people are freaking out about the PRC today. 1949 was that awakening and alot of countries are terrified of what would happen when china becomes number 1 again.
you forget that the tributary system is basically a trade because the tributary states have to send gifts but china have to give back bigger gifts to those countries so to show off wealth and power. if you don't mention this point it's a little misleading.
but because of this system those smaller countries have to listen to china when they intervene in their civil war or wars between tributary countries. so to mediate "peace", especially for countries closer to china, the further they are the less china would do anything as long as they provide tributes, (just like in yuan dynasty when the mongols invades java, indonesia to demand tributes).
however yuan dynasty of the mongols have different tributary systems, they require slaves, women, and others while not providing gifts back to the other countries, that's why a lot of countries resisted against mongols' demand of tribute before they conquered southern song dynasty (which is a militarily weakened china with just the south part, but prospers in literature and scientific progress)
Like the USA spending way more money protecting its NATO and East Asian (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan) allies than it actually gets back from them. Those countries LOVE the status quo of being under US military protection, while publicly grumbling about the US being the world's policeman.
@@capmidnite but whatever US orders them to do they will gladly do what US told them to too. and they also won't dare to complain if they got smacked by the US like how Japan got smacked economically in the 80s-90s with protectionism accusation or how the EU's euro got smacked liek a few months after it got released therefore preventign it further high growth. so its a win win for the US, spending money to protect them but also is a good tool in negotiation and way to keep their status as the number 1 power.
ancient china is also the same, they got prestige for international politics and internal stability thanks to the tributary system. Taht's why ancient chian is the center of the world, everyone wants to trade with them even fi they are on the opposite side of the world, in the industrial era UK became the central of the wrold and then new US. so whatever country you are the hegemon will always profit more than others even if others profits from the hegemon too.
China didn't have to. It was just about showing superiority
@@capmidnite you somehow ... totally avoided mentioning biggest parasite - Germany. Not only they started WWII but then Europe was protecting what was left of them from communists that they had deal with prior to WWII. And to be true to thier nature Germans recently now that their best friend forever (aka Russia) is on good terms with them again - they start calling Americans serving in Germany as occupants.
Which is cringe at best because once USA decided they will move thier troops to other countries like Poland and or back to Home recently - then Germans got upset at same time because they lost thier meatshield while at same time building up economical superpower through EU.
Not to mention also that Germans got rebuilt not by thier own hands but foreign sponsored plans like Marshall plan and whatnot all the time when multiple victims from thier war of aggression got left behind IRON CURTAIN - Czech,Slovakia,Poland,Estonia,Lithuania,Latvia,Ukraine etc.
Now today Germans who barelly have any army , but were always shielded from cruel fate by Nato claim themselves to be somehow beacon of Democracy, Liberty and good will. Sadly with enough washed money and PR you can pretend to be anything and anyone those days. Pretend you haven't ruined own continent countless times and ride on some fake morality superiority.
It would be interesting to have a thorough look at how Europe reacted to the Manchu takeover of China. I came across some accounts from the 1600s in the Royal Institution's journals where Europeans treat this as the downfall of Chinese civilisation akin to the Fall of Rome and sympathise with the Han people as oppressed; I did wonder if this is related to later interactions, i.e. Europeans looking down on the Qing in the 18th century as a barbarian overclass only play-acting at running the Chinese civilisation that Europe respected.
I doubt they truly cared who reigned on the other side of the world esp. If china didnt fall to a european neighbour so that one would gain an advantage which after trafalgar was gone for good anyway.
If there is such sentiments i doubt it is widespread among European rulers and contemporaries.
Most treaties made with Qing dynasty back then made no distinguishment between the manchu overlords and their han and other central asian subjects,instead they put it together under a westphalian-based concept of a Chinese state.
Europeans are not aware of the real situation in China. until 1793 that George Macartney led a delegation to visit the Qing Dynasty. He really understood the backwardness and weakness of the Qing Dynasty.
Wow I thought no one know this c but yes , there is these kind of article.
back then this kind of action even drive the Japanese imperialism. Funny things is , because many of the western publish those article about was saying how Qing empire is the sign of falling of Chinese civilizations , and they describe it as the same way as falling of Rome (these kind of articles was later been suspected as the joint movement that the western and Japan plan as an justification for their invasion to China).
Then Japanese step in , and claiming they’re the true inherent of Chinese culture and start to invade China. (Yes they first invade China in the name of preserve Chinese culture 🙄). As the result, million of the Chinese are being murder and killed, and thousand of Chinese traditional book & artifacts that they first claim to be “fake” are being stolen and later been Japanese promoted it and say all these artifacts are gain from the Tang Dynasty (that’s impossible b/c of the superior status of Tang China, Japanese never have the status to own such book). 😡.
And to modern day, some old Japanese or ppl who still make excuse for Japan still saying their culture is “real Chinese culture”😅they still say their invasion of China is merely the “civil war “ between Chinese civilizations, and calling them the inherent of Chinese culture, such shameful.
One example would be Japanese stole literally thousand of 雅乐 (traditional Chinese) music script from China during the invasion, sadly they even killed all of the artist who practice 雅乐，and that cause these Chinese traditional music disappeared during 民国 (when China is under control of PRC, aka Taiwan that’s you guys familiar so).
And today, there is a Chinese man who spend his entire life to take back all the treasure that was stolen , but Japanese keep refused to do so. Now day, Japanese is making this Chinese traditional indeed nice , but that’s b/c of the music script they stolen from China, and Japanese still mocking China for it.
What’s worst is nowadays young student want to restored those old Chinese traditional, and whenever we do it, Japanese just step in and saying we’re copied their cultures 😡
(again , these script are not exchange to Japan during Tang Dynasty, b/c as a vessel state Japan don’t have the status to read such things, otherwise it would consider disloyal to the China ).
When the IJA was fighting the Nationalists Army in 30s, they estimated from experience that an IJA battalion was an equal match for a Chinese division.
Later, when the nationalists got tons of American weapons that were way superior to the IJA’s, the nationalists started to fair a little better.
If I recall correctly didn’t a Nationalist Division fluctuate greatly in manpower? That is to say, a Chinese Division was not equal to an IJA Division in terms of troop number.
I’d assume the warlord centric nature of the Kuomintang had a large part in this discrepancy.
The Qing dynasty wasn't weak. Not the entire dynasty anyway. It was weak by the end and that happens to literally every dynasty ever. Qing was far from being the weakest ancient Chinese dynasty. A major explanation for why it was so weak by the end was because the monarch were supercilious and xenophobic. As the world outside went through industrialisation and rapid reform the Qing emperors insisted on traditions and stability and refused to change for the better. It was too late when they realised it.
Actually what I mean is... the title may be misleading.
Qing is the weakest because Qing kills its people’s free thinking. The whole country was sick and everyone was addicted with the drugs. Literally all the Chinese at that time was living in a dream
No dynasty last for ever. In China a dynasty hardly last more than 200years. Qing was 200years old when it countered industrialized western powers. Bad luck.
Only The West had access to Scientific thinking and advanced Technologies between 17-19th century. Qing was unlucky its reign coincided with the Industrial Revolution.
@@chisamatoi1682 that was not true. Qing as extremely strong in its first half, it conquered Xingjian and Tibet, incorporated Mongolia and Manchuria, and maintained tributary relationship with many states such as Korea and Vietnam. Imperial China was the largest dynasty in its history. And the intellectual development in Qing was okay, it had one of the four classics the Dream of the Red Chamber published.
Good comment. About the only ones who could hold off the Qing consistently were the Burmese, who did so four times.
the early qing dynasty was actually very powerful, but today few remember their former success but rather the last 100 years
it was weakened by europeans and japan...china should be thankful, it ended the 300 years of slavery by Qing of the manchu to china
@@tengteng4076 thats a very han focused view. the manchus/jurchens
would disagree with you
@@HistoricalWeapons false narratives indeed served china well...china assuming the identity of their former slave masters the Qing to grab territories of other nations...china claiming the conquest and legacies of their former colonizer...
@@tengteng4076 except China isn't just the Han. That's like saying a country is only what the majority population are. Were the British enslaved when their royal family were French and German rather than Anglo? Manchus, like the Hui, Miao, Zhuang, Yi, etc are all Chinese, regardless of how much of the population they make up. Plus, Manchu culture has reshaped China's culture, and many things that people attribute to China or even the Han originally came from the Manchus
@@dvf1736 wow...trying hard just to make ends meet...russians, uzbekistan and korea are part of your ethnicities....are they chinese?
I think one of my favorite parts of the first opium was that the Qing feared losing power so they centralized so much that commandeered needed the emperors approval to begin a battle so when they would see British ships off the mainland instead of just firing the Chinese commanders would send a message to the emperor to ask for approval and when it would arrive back the ships were long gone. Another funny thing is that the Ming dynasty were such good architects that when a British commander boasted he would destroy the walls of a Chinese city and gave the order to fire the walls which were about 300 years old at that point barely had any damage done to them.
well yes, but to add it more, China politic was extremely "chaotic", in second you are a general, a hero of your country, a second later you could have your head chopped off. But why tho? because of your Rival politician, those who always surrounded the emperor, whispering lies to the him. So a smart general would always wait for command because he knew he would not be there to explain his action. Yes the moment the general met his emperor, he would be reduced to a head only.
What makes the wall thing crazier is a century later the Japanese tried to destroy ancient Chinese walls with modern artillery and bombers still nothing. They played pivotal roles in the defense of China in WW2. Many of those Chinese walls stand today. Its almost like China is known for building walls.
@@stevenw2933 Think some of the ancient Chinese walls were destroyed by the Cultural Revolution instead e.g. the ones surrounding _Nanjing_ (Think only the city of _Xian_ has a fully intact ancient wall around its perimeter today)
@@lzh4950 Those walls were being destroyed continuously after ww2, not just due to the cultural revolution. The main reason is that it costs money to upkeep and the locals generally wanted to reuse the stones to build housing. It has very little to do with artifact destruction that happened elsewhere. The ones in the major cities were taken down intentionally to open up space for new construction. You will find better preserved walls generally in the west/south west area of China whereas in the north and east coast its almost all gone except for the gates.
Well, the walls are pretty thick and packed. Nothing short of modern shells are going to pierce them. You could probably line up a couple elephants on them
To boil it down, believing that your country is the best country in the world without adapting it to the times will lead to your country’s downfall
USA! USA! USA!
Before the Western Industrial Revolution, China had a dominant position in East Asia. It was in a period of political corruption, busy with internal struggles, and was captured by the northern nomads.
During that time, tea was getting popular in England.The problem was that the only acceptable payment by the Chinese for their tea was silver.
There were not enough amounts of silver in British treasury and ,as there was no need for western products in China , the British had to buy silver from other European countries in high prices.That's why they started importing opium in China from plantations in India to combat the trade deficit.
The Arabs have been trading in Opium with the Chinese since the 7th century. Even before the British went to India, the earlier Mughal Government had state monopoly on opium and India exported opium to its neighbours. This was since the time of Mughal Emperor Akbar of India. The British did not control the most important opium growing region of India, Malwa in the beginning. And all the opium money went to the treasury of the British Indian Government, not the British government.
Was fixing the trade deficit actually the stated goal? Making money is enough of a goal for the East India Company, why would they care so much about the health of the overall British economy?
@@охотникТомпсона well because theyre british itself.
It was more than just tea. There was also porcelain, fans, and even Western-style mechanical clocks. Mechanical clocks were produced cheaper in Guangdong than in England.
@@fio123 they did looted alot of treasury rooms. Ran sack most of the gold out of the countries they invaded.
The North Star can be seen at the zenith everywhere kn the northern hemisphere at midnight right?
Yup
North Star points to North right? Or can I be seen only from North? I am not an astronomer or smart
@@APersonOnTH-camX something like that, people use it to indicate the north
Yeah
@@APersonOnTH-camX The North star always sits above the northern axis of the Earths spin, the other stars move in the opposite direction of the spin around the Northern star.
Victoria II:
-Start as any nation
-Declare war on Qing
-Capture Caozhou
-Conquer the world
man I've been here since you had less than 10k subs, now I see you at 20x more feelsgreatman
海納百川，有容乃大。壁立千仞，無欲則剛。
"The sea accepts the waters of a hundred rivers; its tolerance results in its grandeur"
- Poem by Lin Zexu
(Anti British Chinese freedom fighter)
Calling Lin Zexu an anti-British Chinese freedom fighter is a stretch when he was blamed and exiled by the Chinese to Xinjiang for losing a war that was impossible to win. He was one of the only Qing officials that took the British army seriously and realized how powerful they were. He was open to Western technology and innovation to improve China but the government betrayed him. Being pro-China doesn't mean being anti-West and being pro-West doesn't mean being anti-China.
He was a bureaucrat. No more, no less.
No, he is not. he knew exactly how big the gap of military power is and he still blame others for efforts of peace talk. He is kind of 清流 at the end of Ming dynasty, a group of people use ideology to cover their interests. Lin admited the war could not be won later, yet he blame a bureau who suggest peace to the ruler. he did this for his fame.
He is also anti-drugs; he fought against Britain in the Opium war.
@@熊掌波清波 what does 清流 mean?
3:40
So Spain taking over Guangxi in one of my EU4 game is actually something they planned IRL
Great video. Understanding the decline of the Qing Empire is key to understanding Chinas actions today
like how u basically get the death panetaly for smuggling durgs into china.
Terrible video, riddled with blatant inaccuracies
The late Qing Dynasty was already having the symptoms of a failing empire before the Opium War. Economic crisis, income inequality, ethnic tensions, religious wackos, widespread corruption and protectionism. Which led to the Opium War and foreign invasions.
Reform and modernization are still the top priorities in modern China.
It’s just a way funnel money to political leaders
Sounds kinda like the usa
“Our Celestial Empire possesses all things in prolific abundance and lacks no product within its borders. There is therefore no need to import the manufacturers of outside barbarians in exchange for our own produce” It sounds like what they’re trying to do with semiconductors and what’s they have already done with high speed trains. For instance, the Macartney Embassy brought clocks as a means to encourage the purchase of British manufactured goods, but Western mechanical clocks were already manufactured in the Qing Empire at a cheaper price! (Maybe blame the Jesuits for ruining the clock manufacturing supply chain security, right?)
The problem is Qing can't make clocks and trains. Qing looks like USA today. they are losing their manufacturing industry. regard themselves as world center isolated from the world. they boycott chinese products like Qing dose.
@@taiwancanhelp6582 Sounds like you've never visited the Guangzhou Huangpu Port to learn about the clocks manufactured in the Qing Empire. journal.hautehorlogerie.org/en/chinese-made-clocks-in-the-qing-dynasty/
@@allentchang It's not cheap and it's scale not that large to become a industry. just like USA can make train but can't compete with china.
@@taiwancanhelp6582 Uh, no. The US doesn't boycott Chinese products and is very much a center of world trade. And the US, while lost much of their manufacturing industry, maintained what it had for the past decade. There is no comparison between the Qing in the US whatsoever.
@@stephenjenkins7971 The US doesn't boycott Chinese products，Trump:trade war，Biden:continue
To sum it up: The Qing Dynasty was weak because of hubris, corruption and inflexibility.
The Qing Dynasty came from nomadic people from Mongolia and other places, they didn't think they were Chinese, they thought we were inferior, then the West attacked China, the Qing Dynasty was defeated, the Han people ruled China again, and the Qing Dynasty Manchus were worried about the Han people's retaliation, they changed their surnames, and these damn it nomads
In some senses, the invasion of the West is also the liberation of the Chinese.
9:53 both Hakka and Cantonese were Han Chinese. The Hakka were originally from the North who migrated southwards due to wars, famine, etc
yes
I'm Hakka, we're more Han than northerners. My great grandparents always had this belief that northerners bred with barbarian blood.
@@sitanhuang9402 That is bull..... It's the southerners
@@sitanhuang9402 and what's so special about your blood? Han emperors couldn't defeat any of the so called barbarians without a partner from those barbarians themselves. Especially the Turks participated in so many wars of Chinese Hans against others
Excellent synopsis of the complex factors that shaped China’s relations with an ever encroaching world and its “century of humiliation”. Essential prerequisite for understanding its present mindset and role on the international stage.
Its a bit unfair though to paint the Chinese as so weak, instead of the Europeans as so strong. Whites conquered the entire planet, not just China. Africa, North America, South America, Australia, SE.Asia, there was no empire in the world that could withstand white dominance.
“century of humiliation” is masochism and paranoia of persecution history view，Chinese never know what humiliation and dignity are for thousand years till now
@@它自己可怜的爸爸 can you elaborate your comment further?
@@davidlang1125 中国在国际舞台上没有任何心态，一切国际行动和外交政策，都是皇上的个人意志罢了。中国不是一个文化共同体，是个古代奴隶制皇权政体。皇上照样残忍贪婪，底层的奴隶照样活得像动物
In fact, the biggest regret of the Battle of Tumubao is not that the Ming Dynasty lost its elite troops, but that this incident changed its political ecology. Since then, the Ming Dynasty has changed from an export-oriented country to a conservative country.
Thank you for the comprehensive summary.
This video is fantastic I like this very much Your videos are good and according to my account your channel is best of the TH-cam and also I acquired knowledge from this so I liked this very much carry on you will must become the best TH-cam channel in future
I think this is your best history video so far Jabzy, ashamed I can only give it one like.
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The best comment in human history.
@@johannsebastianbach5223 Compare 1930s Nazi Germany Vs 2020s Communist Chinazi IN YOUR NEXT VIDEO Project before it's too late
really enjoyed this new format, well done!
Are you ready to draw a new China ball?It's lovely. I love it
@@FarisMoringstar Thank you! A new video is in the works.
The concept of the century of humiliation has always been more about self-reflection than fearing foreign powers
Traditionally, maybe, but nowadays it very much just means "han good, foreign barbarians bad, never let the barbarians win again"
@@franciscoflamenco There are ignorant people everywhere. And it is an useful practise to rally your people under the banner of nationalism in time of crisis.
@@武松打虎-z7n Nationalism is usually just an irrational knee-jerk reaction to problems where a country lashes out at foreign entities and blames them for its problems.
China was more liberal and free before Xi Jinping came to power and was better for it.
@@Strideo1 I agree with your first statement but not really with the 2nd. I've lived in China previously and also recently. Bribing and corruption was quite common in the early 2000s. For all of Xi's faults, his anti-corruption scheme was the one aspect that I think was wildly successful in my experience
@@KHANSTER1029 People who've actually come to China always make the best assessment. Bright guy.
Meteor actually gives you buff in Stellaris. But shoots your stability in EU4.
Thank you for helping to clarify often overlooked history
i love your voice and your style, this is the best
@Soldat Kaiyodo No, it's corrupt and full of bribed officials and weak military, should be abolished.
While the Korean navy played an important role in defeating the Japanese, the Ming also sent troops to assist Korea as well.
When korea joseon under Qing protectorate ,the Japanese didnt dare to invade korea at least until the Qing was lost to the british
@@gungdegalang4635 the japanese tried to conquer korea so they would have a launching point for an invasion of china
so them being scared of china is very unlikey
@@gungdegalang4635 Poor Korea, between two big powers, just like Poland.
That's true. The army of Ming is the main force to defeat Japanese, just like the PLA played a major role in the Korean War. 400 years ago, Korea treated Ming Dynasty as father and built monument in memory of the army of Ming Dynasty, but nowadays, Koreans belittled or even ignored the contribution and sacrifice of Ming Dynasty, which brings shame to their ancestors.
That is a lie faked up by Korean. In reality, Korean was just beated over and over but Ming saved them.
I am re-watching the whole series because you just released the 4th episode which is awesome! :]
As a Hmong (A Miao in Chinese terms) I’m grateful fo you ever mentioning the Miao rebellion and the Miao and Hmong people in a minor way as it’s just how it is.
Aren't Hmong and Miao actually different ethnicities, but since China didn't have Hmong as a recognized ethnicity all the Hmong in China just identified themselves as Miao?
@@danshakuimo well you're not wrong but Miao is the Chinese term to call us. In ancient China Miao was the word for southern barbarian. Hmong is the word the "Miao" people call ourselves. Miao calling to another Miao is Hmong but an outsider like a Han Chinese would call us Miao. In addition durring the Spring and Autumn (warring states period) China's frist emperor Qin Shi Huang had sepertated the Hmong people into 5 separate groups and scattered them down south where most of them had created thier own culture and identity but we still call each other Hmong
@@shouayang6518 what is the word of Hmong? I found I never heard of it. maybe Chinese character can ring a bell.
@@熊掌波清波 Well in the old Chinese language Miao is what the Han Chinese called the Hmong people. And for a written word well.....the Hmong written language was long forgotten when Qin empire starts to destroy all the history of the many other kingdoms in the waring states and especially the Hmong written language. Our current written language is just 50 years old translated to a written language by the Americans after thr Vietnam war
Gentle now
The tender breeze
Blows
Whispers through
My Gran Torino
Whistling another
Tired song
Thank you for this. I had Chinese History back when I was in school, but a lot of the details were omitted. For instance, I never knew trouble was brewing in Tibet, that contributed to the signing of the Treaty of Nanking.
This guy omitted a lot of details too. His take and video isnt accurate and you shouldnt trust it. For example, the Chinese did way more in the Imjin War.
@@notme5834 shill
@@Xanthopathy shill? go learn actual history instead of some regurgitated soundbyte from some neckbeard loner weeb
@@notme5834absolutely. Coincidentally how do you feel about the CCP?
"And so too the vietnamese followed sinocentrism as well"
*highlight the philippines* 🤦🤦
Yeah lmao this channel doesn't know any shit about what he's talking about
The Philippines did it too though.
@@christianriddler5063 Not really. Colonial Philippines was more hispanic than it was Chinese.
@@christianjocson5509 the Chinese tributary system did include the Philippines before the arrival of Spain
This channel have many other mistaken infos and that poor guy probably doesn't know it :(
In this Video i notice several mistakes.... he could have done some real research to what he was talking about, maybe he just jumped to conclusion too fast
This is a heck lot of work involved. Well done! It's great to listen to genuine historical facts. Once politics is not involved, the comment section is peaceful and sound.
Not to mention the drug addiction in the Qing dynasty military
No wonder the Traditional Korean attire reminds me of a mix between Japanese and Ming dynasty fashion infused. Amazing
Lol Koreans are nor Japanese or Chinese. Different genetics and lineage. And Japanese are mixed people.
@@jtsy7499 what meant he found the korean attire of mix culture of ming and Japaneses he did not mention genetics
@@lkcdarzadix6216 Korea have own cultures too. Koreans just had to deal with both Chinese and Japanese pirates during the joseon. and Japanese can’t just stay in their own island.
@@jtsy7499 hence the cultural mix of some aspect heck japanese culture were influence by Chinese later by western
@@jtsy7499 They don’t stay on their collection of god forsaken islands because they’re exactly that: GOD FORSAKEN ISLANDS. This is bound to happen to any people who live on islands. Resources VERY quickly become strained and as such, one of 2 solutions has to be implemented: conquest or diaspora. This very fate happened also to the British who were conquerors and is happening now to the Filipinos who are creating a massive, global diaspora.
Yay, you mentioned Hmong people, we never get any love from historians
Just learned their existence last week.
They're a Major theme in Clint Eastwood's movie *"Gran Torino"*
For real, I had to go back and listen again cause I wasn't sure I heard the right thing.
This was a wonderfully made high level summary of the changes in Chinese political and territorial history. Not only that it helped the understanding of the demise of an empire, it also helped us reconsider the many claims the west and the current China made against controversial territories of Tibet, Xinjiang, and Taiwan. I speculate that even if China was ruled by a democratic system today, she would still not have been willing to relinquish the claims to those territories over the many benefits in national defence and natural resource terms.
Very good video,thank you for your efforts. I can appreciate the fact that this must take infinitely more time than a 3 min video. Let's hope it notifies people about your channel.
Its amasing how chinese and russians became naibors...both where expanding on simular time toward each other...russians where allready in sibiria bevore manchu became emperors of china
Good thing the Manchus went south when they did or else they may have ended up speaking Russian instead of living it up as nobility in China, lol.
@@samiamrg7 today manchus are a lost minority between 100 million han chinese settler in manchuria...in the russian far east are only 8 million russians...indinous groups like the sakha people got own province republic...its not too bad
@@milanvitu3963 so how many of them are actually speak sakhan and identify itself as different people?
Are parts 2 and 3 uploaded? You made a very informative video here, I would love to hear more about Chinese history from you
Smashed the sub button real hard when I saw your intro. Heck yeah
One has to be ridiculously Eurocentric to blame the end of the Qing Dynasty on the Opium Wars, a million and one stabs ended the Empire, in fact many other wars during this same period were more impactful.
Yes it’s like how everyone thinks the bombs caused Japan to surrender but in reality it was Russia declaring war on them
@@kye4216 That's an ironic analogy, it's not only wrong, but it's wrong for the exact reason you are making an analogy in the first place. The Japanese didn't surrender just because of the Soviets, they surrendered because of the compound of: an imminent US invasion, the Atomic capabilities of the US, & the Soviets joining the war.
@@goosenuggets9693 well maybe you can argue the bombs added pressure but the Japanese intended to keep fighting the Americans and their plan revolved around gaining an alliance with the Russians. i think its telling which had more of an impact when after the first atomic bomb was doped one of the members of the supreme war council proposed a meeting to discuss it and none of the others thought it was worth it. the Russians declared war and that council were in a meeting within hours
@@kye4216The USA did the hard work in fighting Japan, the Soviets pounced on a weakened Japanese Empire and took Korea and Manchuria. Created a needless division in Korea, which still plaques that nation.
@@mudra5114 it doesn’t matter which side fought the Japanese more the thing that forced them to surrender was the Russians declaring war not the bombs, people claim it was the bombs to justify all the civilians it killed
Your channel is so good!
In 874, Huang Chao launched a rebellion against the Tang Dynasty. In 878，He retreated to southern China and occupied Guangzhou, Huang Chao believed that mercenaries under foreign merchants had helped the Tang Dynasty to fight. So after the fall of Guangzhou, Huang Chao ordered the slaughter of the city, and not only Muslim merchants, but also local officials and people were slaughtered.
be aware that the muslim killing and start many massacre there! anywhere there's muslim ,there's massive bloody death
we all know that ,so huangcao did a great job,well done
Your background music is dope. Has an almost mass effect feel to it. Very informative video man! I'm subscribed
Hong Xiquan was never a convert as he was never a Christian, but a rather a charlatan pushing his own religion
He was about as Christian as Scientology, which also claims to be Christian
@@charlesmadre5568 in other words not at all
He was Christian, saying otherwise is redundant, he read the Bible and believed one is redeemed through faith in Christ. At worse he is not Christian in that he does not follow Tradition i.e Catholic or Orthodox, but as far as the Sola Scriptura and Solia Fide is concern, he is definitely Christian.
@@巫轟 he literally called himself Jesus brother
No sola scriptura there
Quite the opposite
He worshiped himself and got others to worship him too and not Christ
@@jonathanwilliams1065 That is not unchristian, it is the opposite. It is one of the basic tenets of Christianity, that we are adopted sons of God through Jesus Christ.
Matt 12:50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister
spotting a comet can start a rising the rebellion. Such a eu4 things to do XD
-1 stability!
I think most people in China at the time didn’t care that the British were attacking the Qing. They were not happy with the Qing anyways
Impressive total overview of recent Chinese history. Wow!👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🙂 Thanks!!
A secret Chinese group named the white lotus that's probably where avatar got their idea from 🤔
this is a traditional way to start a rebellion in China, and if you have interest in 3 kindoms the yellow banner army also quote themself "the green heaven is dead so the yellow must rise"
For the privileged Chinese youngsters today who experienced none of the hardships of the earlier days, this video is brilliant, it serves as a wake call that there was a time in China when it was backward and disorganised. Wars are like vicious cycle, war breeds wars and in turn breeds more wars, WW2 has its origin in WW1, WW1 has part of its origin in the scramble for China, scramble for Africa, Germany being too late in the game for the colonial expansion. Wars should be relegated to the dustbins of history.
@私 just finished playing counter strike have ya? you do realise that in real wars you don't get to respawn right? heck, otherwise I'll be up for it as well. wars do have the perverse effect of accelerating societal development, but is it worth it? would you rather jump off a building so that the suicide hotline can improve on their service? just a few questions for ya boy
What is the music you use in your videos?
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@@cdsilber you are a godsend
@@pavan923 lol I thought the music was kinda cool too.
The disasters of 1848 aren't mentioned here. The map shows the Yellow river flowing out north of Shandong, but before 1848 it flowed out near Shanghai. The shift of the river banks caused catastrophic flooding all across Northern china.
I get the feeling that China, as a whole, is a bolted-together empire in haphazard way. Much the same as the Roman Empire as i recall, with the similar requirement of a charismatic imperial dictatorship to hold it together.
Yes I guess we assume China today is all one , but in reality the power struggles in communist party etc and geographical regions is constant
Roman Empire, but still together, becouse there was no inland sea, to split it.
@@Foxtrottangoabc with modern transportation and telecommunications, those geographic barriers quickly become irrelevant. While individual provinces might fight over resources and influence 50 years ago. Today populations shift between them rapidly and supply chain interdependence pretty much means any seperatist tenancies are a non-starter.
There is fundamental differences between ancient China and Ancient Rome. Ancient China was somehow a empire governing through somewhat civil servant bureaucratic system similar to modern state while Roman Empire is in reality just an empire in name but a republic in its soul controlling its faraway provinces with military power, it is actually more similar to British empire.
13:43 emperor seems like an interesting guy 🙃
the earliest cosplay
When aliens pull up over your civilization and start their Instagram Live streams, you know your entire society is about to get vibe checked.
Good shit man, thanks for sharing.
The japanese invaded korea, who asked ming to help them, eventually drove the japanese out.
If I'm not mistaken there are a couple videos on YT that dabble on the Japanese campaigns in Korea , Kings and Generals's one is a great watch imo . Tbh I was surprised at the military capabilities of the Joseon kingdom and also the extent of Ming aid. Interesting subject to say the least
try extra history's
Thats not completely true, while yes the Ming Chinese were a huge help in defeating the Japanese, it was mainly the Joseon navy that proved to be the main reason to why the Japanese lost in the LONG RUN.
China only helped because of japans plan to continue from Korea, not for pure good.
Joseon asked the Ming for help, but wouldn't receive much of it until the Joseon Navy proved they could prevent Japan from getting past. This gave the confidence for the Ming to relax its posture and spare ships and troops for the Peninsula.
Just read the comments below. Even today, so many westerners still are proud of their colonial history, never apologize to the invaded countries.
Is it common that you think it is your right to invade the weak countries when you are strong?
I think that is the root reason why they are afraid of a strong China.
They believe China will invade them back when China recovers from the weakness, just like what they did in history.
true true but youll never know that even china will do worse lol
Why should we feel sorry for being winners lmfao
China's history is that of being ruthless imperialists to begin with. Thousands of years of history of crushing it's neighbors. Compared to that, the West are babies.
@@tahmkench118Without the series of coincidences surrounding the demise of the Ming Dynasty, it would have been impossible for the world to have been dominated by the West in recent centuries.
This explains why the Shaw Brothers had so many Shaolin vs Manchu movies.
This is a fantastic video on Chinese geophysical and ethnic history.. I have always found Chinese history very difficult to follow..and this video makes it easier
The dynasty is on the edge of collapse, and everyone is like “fuxk this shit, imma out”
"Never get into a land war in Asia"
Everyone knows that its the most famous classic blunders of the world
You're telling me China was so full of itself it rejected a chance for modernisation in exchange of tea?
Because the Chinese do not need those things, why do they change it ? Agriculture is civilized and self-sufficient. To inhibit the existence of commerce and capital, machines are just a pile of scrap iron.
@@vstachen7761 China: "why do everybody invade and hates me? I done nothing wrong"
Also China: "hehe I'm better then everyone, everyone should give me gifts, I'm gonna stir up civil wars in Mongol tribes, Tibetan tribes, Korea, Turkish communities and Japan because they are SOOO backwards and primitive"
*mongols, japan, turkish then proceeds to invade China*
Man, what innocent victims they are, china truly has never done anything wrong to anger such "savage" tribes.
@@asscheeks3212 I just answer a fact. You are with your modern vision and emotions.Every country has its own historical narrative. Should China thank them for their invasion? Isn't your country's history always telling about the invasion of other countries?
@@asscheeks3212 Well, your country has a short history, your country have been invading other countries.
@@asscheeks3212 Around the world, people are hate Western colonialism and imperialism even more. Middle East countries, Central and South America, and the African continent. You are immersed in Western media and self-media propaganda.
From the title, a lot of professional army officers were asking the same question. And not just for the Qin Army but other armies that they have fought against such as in India, in which their soldiers and warriors fought with fanaticism and their cannoneers defended their cannons to the last.
Qing* not being a grammar Nazi but there's also a Chinese dynasty called Qin
Qing never had any war with india
@@ashutoshsharma7923 didn't the sikh empire fought china ?? Even though the indians in 17th and 18th century were fighting against afghans more prominantly
very interesting to watch history retold. Just one thing i picked up, the revolt of the three feudatories happened during Kang Xi's reign 1670s to 1680s. 1661 was when emperor Kang Xi took over from emperor Shun Zi and also when the Ming Loyalist of the Zheng Family drove the dutch out of Famosa/Taiwan
The Ming sent armies into Korea to aid in the Imjin War.
Imv the impressive thing is just resilient the Qing Dynasty was in the Nineteenth Century.
Famines
Rebellions
The First Opium War
Sikh Invasion (who knew!!)
Start of Taiping Rebellion
2nd Opium War
The Taiping Rebellion (still)
Some Other miscellaneous Rebellions
The War in Annan
First Sino-Japanese War
Boxer Rebellion
But after all that s##t ....they are still there in 1911!?
The Europeans wanted the Qing to stay alive to "keep the balance of power"
for some the europeans help the qing to stay in power so they can keep exploiting the country. for the others, the chinese people can actually take a whole lot of punishment before rebelling en mass.
@@AureliusLaurentius1099 to stay as a puppy government for the west to enslave Chinese people!
@@kangzhilou4207 they'd be better off now even if the British did that... wouldn't have a social credit system either lol
Yeah and becuase of that looked who's the puppy now, if not because of USA make a deal with arabian to sell oil only to USA dollar, I bet china will politically dominated
It was strong enough to withstand 10 invaders for 70 years without falling into a complete colony, and it crashed several Rebellion before it finally died out.
The only reason it didn't fall into a colony was that the Western powers didn't want it or didn't want others to get it. The British got what they wanted in the Opium wars, selling opium to buy tea.
Later they did divide China into zones of influence.
Well more that foreigners didn't want another great game situation along with if Qing collapsed no one would be able to enforce the unequal treaties
Better guns, better ships, and the Chinese sold each other out for gold.
They didn’t realize they were being conquered.
also they were generally an incompetent force by modern standards. They weren't a professional army by the standards of the time, they were organised more like medieval levees than a modern force.
Not much has changed in the political world.
@@AeneasGemini The funny thing is this awful organization just had a domino effect throughout the whole military. It's one thing to have a bunch of incompetent generals, but now imagine giving them some weird armies with a mix of semi-modern forces and those stuck in the Middle Ages. Even if they understood decent tactics for either extreme, they're so disjointed that nobody could hope to combine them productively. And even if you did, logistics would kill your campaigns faster when you have to manage all those different supplies without knowing what you could expect to get.
@@perrytran9504 nah. The brits were in the yangtzee charging the capital before the chinese had mobilized at all.
They needed to keep the british ships out if the rivers like the us did.
They were unstoppable in close quarters ship to ship and the chinese had a history of flimsy river ships...
No country should be arrogant enough to believe it's the center of the world.
Ｉ would like to point out there‘s no such thing as “24 banners”. Hans and Mongols belonged to different companies under different banners，but there were only 8. “汉八旗/蒙古八旗” “Han/Mongol 8 banners” was only a figure of speech.
The Sojungwha sounds fascinating, but I wonder if that idea faded over time since Korea became a Qing tributary and had to learn to live with that?
South Korea has historically been a dependent country of China. They learn Chinese. The new South Korean king must be granted the title of Emperor Beijing before they can take office. Japan has attacked South Korea many times, and China has helped South Korea fight Japan. Vietnam is the same.
@@xiangzhang1127 was Qing chinese? i believe it was a foreign occupation on china
@@xiangzhang1127 Japan only attacked korea during 2 wars since the formation of the Korean sate. Imjin war 1592, and sino Japanese war which was mostly a war against China and not against korea, the war just happened to be in Korea.
@@xiangzhang1127 推翻独裁统治，让习近平下台，让公民有选举权，自由而不是封锁！ 我很高兴能和你一起参加革命！
The so called 'Christophobia' was a syndrome that plagued all Eastern leaders since 16th Century well into 19th Century (With such leaders defeated) and then reemerged in the mid 20th Century as a part of Eastern Nationalism that viewed Christianity (except in few countries) as an antagonism.
Interesting enough, such syndrome led to series of bad public policies in Asia of that time, and itself a big obstacle towards modernizations. It didn't only happened in China, but also elsewhere in Asia, Japan right after Tokugawa clan rose to power, Ayutthaya about a century after. This impeded so much tech transmissions from the Wests. and further led to corrupt and complacent rulers and overlords who never truly understood what actually 'standing army' is and what it takes to run them.
With exceptions to Islamic Asian Countries, most of them held firm the 'God King' concepts that no longer Valid in the Wests (And surprisingly enough Japan of the Meiji Restoration even reinforced such concepts with the odd mix of western Science, tech and politics.)
wtf a comet causing -1 Stability is based in real life events lmao
One Chinese emperor won a battle because his enemy’s camp was struck by a meteor, thus people think this emperor is a true Demigod. Shit like this happens.
"Thankfully to China, Korean navy defeated the Japanese" This is the sentence that completely discredits this video.
99% of Korean territory was conquered by Japanese within the first month, and the King went to Ming for protection. Ming, sent massive troops and a strong navy to Korea, and drove Japanese away over series of battles. Several yaers later, Japanese invaded again, and the story is exactly like the first time. Except this time Hideyoshi died and caused them to retreat.
At the very end of Ming dynasty, Zheng Chenggong's navy took Taiwan back from Dutch over battle.
Indeed, Ming had its ups and downs, but this impression of 'ridiculous weakness' that video is trying to render, is completely false
@That one dude you see in your dreams No, it's ok if details are off, but in this case, the maintake is wrong, and the idea behind the whole video is false. That's not the small mistakes you refer to
@@趙溫 I agree with you, these sort of details need to be corrected. Especially nowadays with historical revisions and misinformation running rampant.
lol your whole country history is a joke and you still try to defend it.
@@ANJROTmania I'm amused, continue
@@fio123 China history and culture sucks?
You arent smart are you?
What is metric that can tell anyone nation history and culture sucks?
Hahaha thats so dumb.
History and culture are only that, you might not like them but that does not means they suck.
Thanks for posting this video.
"In my book, experience outranks everything" ~Captain Rex, 501st Legion
Is capt rex Roman legion , or French foreign legion ? :)
Honestly it’s also important to not have your entire economy be a slave economy
@@Foxtrottangoabc Grand Army of Republic my friends
@@abdulazis400 thanks i get it now 😂
21:25 EU4 Players: “I’ve seen this one before!”
same goes with any other old civilization. quantity over quality.
Great video, very informative. Thank you