Was He ACTUALLY a PRINCE?! | Aladdin Conspiracy Theory - TheJongasm
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- It turns out the huge plot hole in Aladdin wasn't a plot hole at all!
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Aladdin was always a prince if you think about it, because his father ( seen in the third movie) is the King of Thieves, making Aladdin the PRINCE of Thieves.
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+TyranntX While kingships can be established by any force of arms, a princehood requires the authority of a state to confer. There is no such state in ruled by Alladin's father as presented in King of Thieves, meaning no princehood to be gained from his father's kingship. Theories from the first film need to stick entirely to facts from the first film since very little of the first film's meta-narrative actually made it into the subsequent films nor to the subsequent films retroactively contribute much to the first film's metanarrative aside from stripping its richest layers away through ret-con.
+Mog of War It was a joke bro -.-
I knew that, but talking past the obvious is fun.
Lol I was literally JUST about to leave that exact same comment, but thanks to you, I don't need to bust my thumbs typing! Thanks homie! 😎👍
Aladdin's father is the King of Thieves, that makes Aladdin the Prince of Thieves. what if before Aladdin's wish to be a Prince his father was just a poor wanderer and a beggar with no titles and to make Al a prince he turned his father into a king? Because to be a Prince you have to either be the son of a king/queen or marry into royalty and since Genie can't force anyone to love Al he likely went through the second route, changing the class of his parents, his mother was likely dead but his father still alive was turned into the King of Thieves since in Arabia there are no kings, Sultans are the only king like figures but not called kings. What do you think?
Yeah, it could be.
This is a neat idea! I like it!
Oh yeah, he's a prince alright. Prince of the thieves.
+The Dark Master doesn't count since Prince/King of Theives wouldn't be recognized unlike something like the prince who came to see her in the beginning of the movie
PrincessofEllabur I was being sarcastic
+PrincessofEllabur Technically they would be,...... With a harsher sentence upon comitting a crime that is
+The Dark Master actually that's Robin Hood
+benedictify Aladdin has a movie called the King of thieves where his dad is the king of thieves which would make him the prince of thieves.
I always thought Jeffar used his Sorcerer powers to revoke all the Magic that Genii gave Aladdin, ya know, magically. I never thought he used his Sultan Powers to legally remove Aladdin's Princehood too.
+AlphaWolvesGamer We don't know where Aladdin's kingdom is... There's no reason to think Sultan Jafar can revoke his princehood... It'd be like Obama saying Prince charles is no longer a prince. It was due to the magic.
userasdf Pretty sure the Sultan was the "I am leader of the known world" in the area. lol
AlphaWolvesGamer
It's not though... sultan just means king. Tons of other kingdoms around. If you take the show as cannon (you even see references to the show in the last movie) you can even see some of the other kingdoms in this universe.
+userasdf please, there isn't aladdin's kingdom, the genie just did magically appear a beautiful dress, servants and gold... it was all fake, for this reason there is a moral dilemma on the lie he said when he was a "prince"...
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uh no. the wish was for him to BE a prince, not appear to be a prince. It's pretty clear. He's an actual prince. Easiest way is that the genie can just make it some kingdom has their memories and history slightly rewritten inserting aladdin as another one of his sons. But it's very clear that his wish is to BECOME a prince. So unless the genie can suddenly disobey wishes and just fake it, he's a prince.
Rule number one: I can't kill anyone. So don't ask.
Rule number two: I can't make anyone fall in love with anyone else.
Rule number three: I can't bring people back from the dead. It's not a pretty picture, I don't like doing it! Other than that, you got it.
Totally missed that Jafar revoked his Prince-hood. Nice.
A much better theory than the one I just watched you make presumably months after this. This one actually makes sense and doesn't have any glaring issues or require any leaps of logic. I like it!
Good theory and loving the hand drawn art work!
Why do you pronounce Sultan "Soul-tan"? It is driving me nuts!!!
+Joshua Marsella that's alway how I've pronounced because I've literally never heard it said out loud before... I'm so sorry.
You've never seen the movie you just made a video about? Hm check it out sometime, it's a classic and they say sultan several times. Good video either way!
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+Joshua Marsella No, I've watched Aladdin a shit ton of times lol. I just haven't seen it since I was a youngling and I didn't recall that word ever actually being said in the movie. I thought they just said things like "ruler" and "leader." Oops!
+TheJongasm Youngling is a word? ._. either it's made up, or I live under a rock ;-;
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It's been a while since I have watched "Aladdin," but this movie theory makes sense. Keep up the good work!
I have not seen Aladdin in years, but this theory makes complete sense. really great, man.
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+TAMZILLA100 for real
people auctually are sayin that the enchantress could be 1 of the villains since people have a theory that when the lady came to the beasts door/ the princes he was just a kid and of course didn't allow strangers in so the enchantress was bein either ungrateful for it bein a kid not allowin her in or sayin that he should go against the rules of his father/ goin against stranger danger
+Jazzy Playz According to the movie, he turned her away because she was ugly and the rose was a measly payment. What I'm wondering is 1: where were the guards and the gateman, and 2: what happened to his parents/why is he an orphan?
As for my theory on who the enchantress could be...the answer could lie in the stained glass image of the movie's intro?
0:31 lol the way you look at your finger like it personally betrayed you made me crack up!
Sounds like a good theory, love the little details in Disney movies
Wait so... What was the theory?
Wait yeah?
exactly my question!!!
The plot-holes weren't actually plot-holes, Aladdin's names throughout the movie had significance, and the genie was subtly trying to nudge him in the right direction so he could accept his true accomplishments.
So...three theories?
I think hes just proving the plot hole wrong. The plot hole was that Aladdin was a real Prince and didn't need his third wish. Now that JonSolo explained that Jeffar was able to take away Prince-Hood, Aladdin needed his third Wish :)
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For Genie to make Aladin a prince, he would of also had to made a entire place for him to rule over as well as a family in which he'd come from on top of that. Soooo, I think all Genie did was just put on a good display to pretend to be a prince. Notice that all those people with them don't seem to stick around, as if just magic constructs that once the display was done, casually disapeared.
That is amazingly well analyzed. Love it.
I have one for you, In Aladdin the Genie helps Aladdin to get out of the Cave of Wonders which afterwards when they were stopping at the Oasis, Aladdin then brings up his three wishes and Genie points out that he is down to 1 where was the second wish made?
This bothered me since the first time I watched it many many years ago. Thanks for the video
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Interesting theory. Finally I can wrap up the question I always had in why Al never even once checked back on the kingdom he was given when he became a prince.
I didn't know there was an actual syndrome for not feeling worthy of one's own accomplishments. Also, this is a really cool way of looking at the movie
Ya, that is something that always bothered me about the movie Aladdin. I kept thinking, "But the genie already made him into a prince."
Actually, after a second viewing of this it makes more sense to me.
At first I thought Genie turning Aladdin into a prince simply meant he made him "appear" to be a prince because Al didn't have an actual kinhdom.
But if Genie did in fact turn Jafar into a legitimate Sultan of Agrabah, then the most powerful sorcerer in the world, and THEN a genie, whose to say Al wasn't a legitimate prince all thanks to Genie?
Technically, Alladin is a prince: The Prince of Thieves
Well, in the "King of Thieves" movie, it is made clear that Genie was a gift to Aladdin from his father; and all the gold and riches in the tiger's cave is actually rightfully Aladdin's. Making Aladdin a prince, who was orphaned due to both his parents death.
I don't think that Genie made Aladin a real Prince, he merly gave him a prince cloathing and the riches, he didn't altered the timelinie a thing he offered because they would be harder to undo even for Jafar (as wizzard he has to less powers, as Genie he can't kill (a thing may needed to undo a timespell)). Jafar also wasn't Sultan, Genie was merly forced to steal the Sultans cloaths for him, move the palace up the mountain and make every otherone fall in linie.
As he said in the video, though, they're obligated to grant the exact wording of the wish. So, in order for Aladdin to become a prince, he had to literally make him a true prince. Whether this involves rewriting the timeline or not is up for debate, but why shouldn't that be possible for a genie?
I always figured an entire kingdom was brought forth from and returned to nothingness throughout this movie. On the other hand, jafar may not have completely undone everything genie did, he may have just turned Aladdin back, and an entire kingdom is just sitting out there somewhere without a ruler. Though perhaps he played on words and made the king of thieves movie come to pass entirely. Who knows.
When bound he literally had unlimited power.
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Yes it would be possible for a genie, but Aladin simply asked to be a prince, not a *_true_* prince so it is reasonable to assume the Genie went with what was the simplest to do.
Maybe Aladdin is the ruler of a small plot of land in the middle of the desert? Who said it had to be a _big_ kingdom?
+Ikajo I always thought his kingdom was the oasis where he made the wish?
This is for the Disney version btw...
What if Genie didn't really have rules, and it was just his morals because we know he has morals.
For example Rule number three: I can't bring people back from the dead. IT'S NOT A PRETTY PICTURE, I DON'T LIKE DOING IT! Does that mean he did it before? He probably did and it ended badly, and the only reason he calls them rules is because if he said "these are the 3 wishes I don't like to grant" some people wouldn't care and would still make the wish that he would be forced to grant, but if since he said "they are rules" people wouldn't even bother making the wish.
Another example, What if he did grant a wish of making someone fall in love with someone else and it ruined an entire family or even caused an entire war. What if genie caused the battle of Troy. What if Paris made a wish to Genie that Helen of Sparta would love him, and that's how Paris "stole" Helen because as I remember it Helen had the freedom to choose her husband why didn't she just choose Paris from the beginning. (this is just an example its the only thing I could think of at the time, and I really don't know the story that well)
Also what if he just feels bad when people die so he doesn't like to grant the wish to kill people.
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JON SOLO PLEASE DO A THEORY ON THIS!!!!
Edit: So after watching this video I came up with a theory to why Genie can only grant 3 wishes. What if Genie isn't immortal, and he has a certain amount of wishes he can grant before he dies, and he wants to satisfy as many people using his given amount of wishes, so he tells people that the limit is 3.
Another possibility is he knows that if you tell a human that they have unlimited wishes they will end up power hungry and be consumed by their greed. So to avoid this he just sets the limit to 3.
Also what if genie can grant his own wishes, in Aladdin you see him shape shift and do this using his powers even though he is not instructed to (even before Aladdin freed him from the lamp). What if he has the ability to do what ever he wants with his powers when he is out of the lamp as long as it doesn't defy his masters wishes, So technically if he wanted to he could create rules and regulations for himself as long as the master didn't tell him not to.
this was totally something that bothered me all during my childhood: did genie cheat Aladdin by giving him the clothes and money of a prince, but not actually making him a prince? But this makes total sense!!! Thank you!!!!
of course the genie knew how things would turn out. Genie actually references that Al wouldn't find another woman like Jasmine for a million years or something like that
Genie could see the future after all if he looked (in his own words). Perhaps he looked and saw Alladins future, and maybe even played everything so that it would turn out happy for everyone.
"The genie called him 'al' throughout the movie, meaning he may have known about his true identity from the beginning." THIS IS HUGE! Does this mean that Genie was psychic? Was Aladdin another chosen one archetype? Did the genie engineer Aladdin's rise to power? This deserves a theory (and a movie) of it's own!
Yeah I think the genie can see into the future (Look at all his modern impressions)
Nice vid, took a second for me to catch on, but great theory
I knew that since I was a kid. It's not that hard to figure out. The only problem I have with the theory is that the Sultan doesn't have authority over the princehood of princes from other countries, so we can suppose just that the power of Jafar after the Genie made him the best sorcerer is enough on its own to reverse the wish.
I like to think that genie fullfilled Aladins wish by making his father king (of Thieves), therefore by extansion giving Aladin the title of Prince.
Technically while he was a street rat he was already a prince- the Prince of Thieves -due to his father Casime, the King of Thieves, as seen in the second Aladdin sequel. This is of course assuming that his father is already the King of Thieves by the beginning of the first movie.
I agree with this theory 100%!!
Technically Aladdin was always a prince (referencing to the third Aladdin movie) where his father is the king of thieves, he's technically a prince the whole time... Just not the way you'd expect.. And even as a street he was still living up to his "princely" title, of being A thief
In the animated series, his father was the King or Prince of Thieves. I forget which. It might've been the 40 Thieves.
I just realized that the Aladdin never really happened, it was just a story from one of the merchants trying to sell a lamp😂😂
I always thought genie granted Aladdin's wish by making him look like like a viable candidate to marry Jasmine, who is a princess, so technically, if Jafar never interfered, the two would get married and Aladdin would legitimately become a prince. Thus, genie would have granted his wish, regardless if he was already one before marrying Jasmine.
great explanation!!!
Um... of course Genie knew who Aladdin was through the entire movie. Aladdin was himself when they met at the beginning of the movie.
(Comment may contain minor spoilers) The movie does say he grew up on the streets after his mother passed away. Also he is a prince, even before Genie granted a wish. His father is the King of Thieves, he's more of a treasure hunter than a thief, though.
Something else that bothers me is why didn't Alladin use his 3rd wish and have jasmine use her third wish to set genie free.
this theory is great! I love it
I heard a theory that was that the genie tried to make him a prince by helping him get married to the princess.
I didn't like this one. sorry. Also Aladdin was already a prince before he met the genie as his father is the king of thieves
Wouldn't that make him prince of thieves? Then again, that's not really an official title.
TotalSaxSap but he's still technically a prince
+Allie Dance There's actually a theory that Aladdin's father is just an ordinary beggar at the time of the first movie and that only after Aladdin made the wish to become a Prince that his father was also converted into a King in a way, hence making him a real Prince. This explains why his father never really came back even though he had such a position of power. He only got the power later on. Also, even Kings have to follow the rules of a greater ruler, so I guess this might explain how even though he's the son of a King, he couldn't be considered a prince anymore as he was banished.
Anish Murthy interesting! but in the movie Aladdin's father admits when he went to find work and failed he went back but his family was gone so he went to live with the thieves
+Allie Dance forgive me, it's been years since I've last seen the movie. But it's fun to think that the genie did have a hand in his promotion.
IM DEAD he looked at his finger like he's disappointed with its life choices X'D
That was kinda obvious for me... My question actually was, did Genie create a whole new island/territory for him to rule in or did he just took an area for him?
Jongasam I really love it 💖
If you’ve seen the new Aladdin movie then you know that the genie only made Aladdin look like a prince on the outside, on the inside he (Aladdin) was still just a street urchin. Also, when Genie asked if Aladdin’s wish was official, he (Genie), didn’t give the “street rat” time to respond. Therefore, as I said earlier, Aladdin was NOT truly royalty, he only resembled it on the outside.
What if the whole movie is about fulling Aladdin's wish of becoming a prince?
The way he says sultan is killing me right now 😂😂
This is prety cool
This makes a bit more sense with the original song that appeared instead of 'Prince Ali (Reprise)', 'Humiliate the Boy'. In the song, Jafar explicitly tells the Genie to revoke everything he gave Aladdin - which would include his princehood ("Take everything you gave him, all the magic stuff, away"). So in this version, it wasn't Jafar using sorcerous power to zap away his princely robes, it was the Genie taking away the previous wish. However, the song would have introduced another plot hole, because it was written before they added the three-wish limit and Jafar makes numerous requests of the Genie just in the space of the one song to mess with Aladdin.
loved this explanation :3
Thank you for finally saying this!!!
There is a Paul Simon song called "You Can Call Me Al". It's about a person gradually becoming self aware. That line could be a homage to Paul Simon.
Aladdin didn't wish for becoming a Prince. He tricked Genie into giving him the accoutrements.
did because of Aladdin's wish to become prince did genie make him the son of the King of thieves? Can you PLEASE make a video about this?
Great theory for the best Disney movie to date!!!!
so happy you changed the channel's name. jonsolo's a LOT better
This only brings up more questions than answers.
Never thought about that, but yea you are spot on.
Very thought provoking
It Was kind'a confusing to me about how it seemed like everyone acted like the wish never happened, even right after it happened. It does seem to make more sense for it to have something to do with hiding 'how' he became a prince than just being one. Though... the movie also could've been saying that people aren't different just because of their station in life, and that the only thing separating street rats and royalty is what they wear. (...or what shampoo they use. Or their table manners. Or how often they bathe at all.)
Oh, I never noticed before that 'Al' could be a shortening of either Aladdin OR Ali.
Ok, so where was the plot hole? I was confused and followed him to the end, but by the end I realized he'd just told me what I already knew about the movie, so what's the deal? What on earth did I miss??
+Miya Green I know right, was that not just the plot of the movie?
Perhaps you missed nothing. Some of us are more perceptive than others. From the time the movie first came out, I've wrinkled my brow at these questions, and it's comforting to know that others have actually asked them outright.
Technically speaking, it doesn't matter if Aladdin was a real prince or not before marrying Princess Jasmine, because it's a known fact that marrying royalty makes one royalty, (at least in some cultures)......... So he'd end up being a legitimate prince, as soon as he married the princess....
Indeed, wish 1 could have still been in effect until he was dispelled or even after, since we have no idea how sorcerer powers work. All we know is that genies are basically gods.
perhaps=. But the argument in the video is that it was not Jafar's sorcerer powers that took Aladdin's prince powers. But the legal authority of a sultan (jarar's first wish) that could take prince hood away from anyone.
Explain this then.. She chooses to marry Aladdin but it takes 2 more movies to actually marry him? So he wasn't married into royalty until movie #3
If I remember correctly Aladdin wishes to "look like" a prince, at least they changed it for the DVD release.
when jafar becomes a genie and grant wishes he do that with wishes that abismal wants :-P so damn fun
What I need explained more than this is Jafar's whole deal. What I mean is at the end he gets in this strange wish loop where he basically says 'I want Power, wait wait, now I want Power... Oh no you are right what I need to wish for is Power.' Okay I can understand that his first wish was for political power and his second wish was for magical power, and his third wish he was tricked into making... but that's just it...
Jafar has been actively seeking the Lamp for years, and been putting some serious time and effort into learning about it. So he should have had 3 wishes already pre-planned out. So how in the world was he able to be tricked into making the specific third wish that he made? Surely he would have had a 3rd wish already in mind before. I've seriously got to wonder what he had in mind previously that he decided to abandon for the trick wish.
Jafar's whole deal with the wishes just doesn't make sense to me considering how much thought he's put into the whole wish thing.
This is the song Aladdin and Genie sing to each other:
If you'll be my bodyguard, I can be your long lost pal. I can call you Betty, and Betty when you call me, you can call me Al.
genie*no wishing for more wishes*
me*then I wish I COULD wish for more wishes!!!!!😋😋😋
genie*....uh 😵😵😵
Aladdin was a prince before the wish. His father was the king of thieves according to the sequel, therefore, he was the prince of thieves.
Hmm~ I never did catch that.
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In the second movie, at least I think it's the second movie, it's revealed that Aladdin's father is the King of Thieves, making him the Prince of Thieves.
I love this theory.
Not really a theory so much as an explanation, but still pretty good.
Aww it all makes sense now
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Um.... I don't get what the theory is here. He wasn't a prince. Then he was. Then he wasn't again. That's just the plot of the movie.
Aladdin is a Prince 2 times over:
1. His father (as seen in the 3rd movie) was a Prince of the Thieves (even the Sultan called his father a Prince)
2. in the 3rd movie he weds Jasmin making him a Prince
That did not really sound like a theory. It was pretty legit. It made perfect sense to me.
Jasmin reconizes him! When Alidin is on the carpet he asks do you trust me? And that is the same things he says to her in the market. And if you look at her face you can see somethings clicks in her head!
very well done
Well thought out.
I'm assuming we are ignoring the Aladdin sequels, considering the third Aladdin film deems him the PRINCE of thieves since his father is the king of thieves so in some sense he always was a prince as deemed by the sequels.
why did you spell it "Alladin" in the video? and then spell it correctly on the video's title??
Anyone else bothered by him saying "soul-tan"? It's "sul-tin"
Idk, his soul seemed pretty tan.
:)
Linguistically speaking, the second syllable in most two syllable words is going to contain an unstressed vowel, so regardless of whether it was an a, e, i, o, u, or y, it would be an unstressed vowel. So, while the Arabic is sool-tahn, the American English would be SUHL-tun, with the latter syllable containing an unstressed vowel (schwa).
Great vid
It's a little bit far-fetched. In the Arabian Nights, Al is a poor boy, who's dead father was a tailor, and lives with his mother. He was approached by a sorcerer that was claiming to be his uncle, tricking him into wandering into a magic cave and leaving him there to rot, but not without the aid of a magic ring that also releases a djinn when rubbed. The lamp is still in the story, but the main difference is that Aladdin has 2 Djinn at his beck and call.
Pretty much, the moral of the story was to not put too much trust in strangers.
what if alladin wished for jasmine to LUST for him not fall in love. and he wished for like a 1000 more genies, all obeying him.
These are what we call loop holes
+textmachine09 you can't wish for more genies, wishes and for someone to lust or fall for you
+Simos Katsiaris also can't wish for life or death..
+textmachine09 , this was the plot to Akabur's Princess Maker and it is all sorts of disappointing Rule 34 because it ignored the television series and 3rd movie . Genie was supposed to hook-up with Eden.
+textmachine09 Just use the first wish to wish that the next wish is a rule free wish...mind blown...
Here's a conspiracy you'll have to tackle.
After Jafar was beaten and Aladdin got the lamp back, there didn't have to be a conflict in what he should do. And the sultan didn't have to change the law. Jasmine could've just rubbed the lamp (making her the new master) and used the genie to make Aladdin a prince again. Then give it back to Aladdin and let him wish for genies freedom.
Also, Aladdin wished for 2 things and then Jafar took over as the new master. Shouldn't he still be able to use his third wish at any time. Even though Jafar has the lamp? And if Aladdin does lose his last wish at that time, why don't his wishes start over when he becomes master again?
The wish never entirely worked in the first place since he already was. His father was King of Thieves.
Not to mention that Jafar technically "revoked" the wish.
well Aladdin's father is the king of thieves so he would be the prince of thieves.