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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- In this clip Kurt Angle talks exclusively to Inside The Ropes where he reveals the truth behind the infamous Daniel Puder incident back in WWE!
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Do you think Kurt was in the right? Let us know in the comments!
Kurt is a little Hulkamaniac isn't he?😂😂😂 So it was a shoot and was warned about the kid. And when it didn't go well for Kurt he "didn't have feeling in his arms" yeah Vince would've let him do shoots risking to have him paralyzed on live tv.
Kurt is a little Hulkster😂😂😂😂😂
@@andisugeyou didn't pay attention did you kid?😂🤦🏻
Angle shouldn't accept a shoot in that condition but I guess you don't reach his level being a "normal" sane parson but I'm glad that he didn't do nothing against that Puder guy, he got canned on his own.
No one is stating the obvious: the relationship between student and teacher is sacred.
The WWE didn't take that relationship seriously and because of it this situation happened.
You don't try to humiliate the talent you're fostering for ratings. If you don't treat them like students why would you expect them to treat you as teachers?
Angle seems like the real *sshole. He's full of himself...he tried to bully Puder...he got his ass kicked...and now he's making-up every excuse he can think of.
They offered Puder a $700 a week contract. And after he turned it down they offered it to Miz. And the rest is history.
700$ a week is insane though unless they’re paying for all your expenses (which I don’t think they do at all) you can’t live on that without support from other people
@@wv4776 this was to stay in Florida in Developmental (pre-NXT). So he didn't have to do any travelling. They probably would have offered him a new one once he was back on the main roster and traveling again.
700 a week isn’t terrible back in 2004 that’s 2800 a month to train no travelling. That’s not celebrity money by any means but that’s a decent working man’s cheque back then for just training, considering you should really be paying to go to wrestling school to train
@wv4776 700 a week is what I'm on basically so that not bad considering the potential he could of earned 😅
I don't blame him for turning that down. DoorDash drivers earn more than that
The first offender here was whoever wrote into the show a shoot fight between a wrestler who just came out of an injury and a bunch of kids that were ABSOLUTELY NOT ready to face this kind of situation in the right way.
The ego of both contenders did the rest, Angle thought he could do the fuck he wanted because he's Angle, Puder thought that beating him clean would have skyrocketed his value (and with clean I mean doing exactly what Angle asked, beating him by the rules of a shoot match), little did he knew that WWE has always hated those who went into business for themselves.
Angle got humiliated, Puder got punished, everybody lost.
That’s why they should have just stuck to professional wrestling matches instead of the “real” bullshit
Just like the braw for all...there were no winners
@@mattm7798lol except Butterbean
Yeah, was a nice payday for him...poor Bart Gunn...Vince seemed determined not to push him.@@molokoplus0612
It’s got Vince Russo written all over it
1. Kurt shouldn’t have challenged those contestants the way he did if it wasn’t scripted.
2. Daniel shouldn’t have tried to take Angle down with his skills, especially in a WWE ring and against an established character.
3. The referee did his job amazingly! He deserves more credit here.
4. Ego and “assholery”(as mentioned by Kurt) ruined Daniel’s career. (I absolutely don’t know what he’s upto now).
Daniel also shouldn't have attempted to submit Kurt. He tried to cheat.
Angle seems like the real *sshole. He's full of himself...he tried to bully Puder...he got his ass kicked...and now he's making-up every excuse he can think of.
So Daniel shouldn't have attempted to win the competition? Lol, what most of you forget is WWE already did this with Brawl for All, it didn't end well, so why did they expect a bunch of guys they've been trolling and hazing to put them in an actual shoot match? Gee, I wonder why it went wrong.
What ruined Daniel Puder's career is that he won the contest. It's better to be runner up or anything else but the winner of Tough Enough.
@@abikegavin9641 Exactly. Angle got in his face, screamed at him talking shit & challenging him, tried to kick his ass....and Puder is supposed to just act like Angle's little bitch?? Angle needed humbling, and he got it.
@@jaymike3302 Wrong. Puder cheated. He tried to submit Kurt.
It's not even all Daniel's fault. It's a bad idea to do a shoot fight of any sort. Nobody knows how far to go, especially if you are green like him.
Having said that, trying to break the arm of a main eventer isn't a good career choice.
It was like they’d learned nothing from the Brawl for All debacle.
Play stupid 🎮 games and you win Stupid 🏆 prizes. 🙄
It wasn't really a shoot match. It was a little amateur wrestling match.
yeah almost like wrestler going up against someone who can fight for real is a bad idea
@@snakekingblues3017 yeah, akin to Tyson🥊Fury recently getting his Boxers stained fighting 👊Ngannou 😂
"If you tell me not to pick someone, guess what, I'm going to pick that fucking person".
Hi Kurt I'm a dumbass too🤷🏻♂️
Hear the ref tell it, he noticed Puder's shoulders were down and ran with it before anything bad could happen.
Like Kurt said, it was a pin only match. He wouldn't have been guarding against a kimura - not that any pro wrestler would be anyway - so it was a sneaky move by Puder to try and embarrass an Olympic champion.
Kurt said he had no feeling in his arms. That's no excuse, because after all, we know he "won a gold medal with a broken freakin' neck !" 🙂
Pussy move by puder to try to break someone's arm when ur losing in a wrestling match with pins. Shows what kind of fragile ego he had because he did some mma
Just admit he got his ass kicked
Right. Its like getting a surprise kick to the shin in a boxing match. Some people are so ignorant.
It wasn't pin only fan boy, only got the losers word for it, if you watch the video he just goes who wants to get in the ring with me, nothing about pin only
"Like Kurt said, it was a pin only match."
And this was said on-camera about 0 times.
Al snow told him not to incase they didnt sell it, just like Big Shows scoop slam challenge when the guys were so hyped about getting a contract (like Miz) they wouldnt stay down. Daniel didnt help himself when he went on the mic and said he,d be the first rookie to win a rumble, in front of benoit & holly, oh my!
He done the right thing lol. The same thing WWE praise Cena for with the Ruthless Aggression thing is the same attitude Daniel had.
Not saying his attitude away was okay, but back then, everyone had an ego. You have to give props to a man making sure he stands out in an era full of standouts.
@@looplstunfortunately he was an outsider and came in with the tough enough thing and the old school guys didn’t like it “because that’s not fair! “😭. The guy was green and maybe did have a chip on his shoulder, but they treated him worse because he didn’t come up in the ranks like they did. It’s petty childish behavior, but that seems to be the story for a lot of these things in wrestling.
@@watchreport basically. It's nice to see that changing, but for as much as everyone misses the "tough guys", they really were the most sensitive bunch
I remember one of the refs in the match said Kurt Angle went off script and wasn't supposed to ask if anyone else wanted to challenge him after beating one of the other Tough Enough contestants.
yea he said something like who else wants some, and pruder said me, which wasnt planned
I think Kurt should have listen to Vince, to avoid this bad spot in the ring, it just looked ridiculous. Pruder was a rookie, someone in the back should have coach him, but sounds like nobody wanted to do so. Then of course Bob Holly thought he was a Star for once by being with Eddie and Jericho on the Royal Rumble chops. That’s the only highlight he ever had in his career.
I would say that getting dropped on his neck after trying to block a power bomb from Brock Lesnar was another one of his highlights.
Sparky Plugg always had an inflated ego and thought he was more than he actually was lol. He actually had the gall to lie and say in 1995 that he had "words" with Diesel/Kevin Nash and got him to back off. Ok...🤣🤣
@@andrewvincent7299Even if it happened, which is may never have... Kevin Nash isn't the type of person to admit fault about anything.
Kevin Nash literally thinks to this day the "Click" didn't effect anyone carear, so his opinion is probably even less trusted than Holly.
If Holly stuck up to Nash, or not it's almost not even important as Nash, always has an excuse to make himself look good in any and all situations.
If you didn't use logic and believed everything Nash says, your just falling for propaganda.
It was Chris Benoit, not Chris Jericho, who chopped Daniel Puder at the Rumble
I dont understand the comments. Kurt said that Daniel had him and in another 5 seconds his arm would have been broken. Hows he Hulk?
The point is that submissions weren't aloud in that match so it hurt Kurt's credibility with people who don't properly understand real wrestling
@@FrostedCornFlakes280puder is a bitch for that.hes losing a match and he did tries to break an armt.its all his fault for failing in wwe he deserved it
0:15 did you miss this part where he said he was so weak from his second neck surgery? 1:18 he then said it's supposed to be by pinfall. Daniel Puder was going for an armbar in a wrestling match. It's like Dillion Danis going for kicks and takedowns in a boxing match against Logan Paul. Had Kurt been going for submissions and wasn't hurt, would have been a whole different ball game. Watch Brock Lesnar talk about wrestling Kurt Angle for real.
@@CosmicValentineKurt knows next to nothing in submissions. Amateur wrestling - folk style, freestyle, or G-R he’d have his way with anyone.
@@CosmicValentine That sounded like him making excuses. He also Wrestled Brock Lesnar for real backstage around this time and won. So he wasn’t as weak as he’s claiming.
Meh he knew the guy was an MMA fighter. In fact the plan was to make these guys so tired so they can put them in submissions and embarrass them.
Nunzio was supposed to be the guy to do it. Because he was actually trained in catch wrestling submissions. But they went with Kurt instead.
The reason ref called the pin was bcuz he knew Kurt’s arm was about to snap not bcuz he was being pinned if you watched it’s not a clean pin shoulders aren’t flat. Ref called it to save Kurt’s reputation
He didn't picked puder, there's a whole video of his incident
"I don't know if you remember what happened" you don't, apparently. You chose some other guy and pinned him and then basically said "who's next?" and only Puder volunteered. It wasn't "down to two guys and I picked him."
I'm not saying I know what happened backstage or anything; I'm talking about what's on video you can see today.
Shhhhh...
Kinda like the Jan 6th video that we are not supposed to see just what they want us to see😊😊😊
@@Boxedbyymeyou mean the one where the cops are waving and inviting all the protestors into the capital building?
@@Boxedbyyme brother, keep politics out of entertainment. uncool.
@@gercey3314 But he's not wrong.
“Basically the boys and I were the bullies of the WWE” -Kurt 😂
This isn't how it happened at all! Kurt asked the entire group who were outside of the ring, if anyone wanted some, expecting no one to answer, Puder decided to say he wanted some, totally off the cuff
Yup KA is lying. He also was not still recovering from the nexk surgery in April, he had a 13 minute match with Mysterio the week before.
@@MaxwellGriffin001that doesn’t mean he didn’t have neck surgery.
@@Jhoncena22 weird to say you're still recovering and can't do push ups when the week before you went 11 minutes lifting rey Mysterio.
@@MaxwellGriffin001Yeah, lifting "Rey Mysterio".
@@Jm29q Rey Mysterio was heavy af in those years.
Clearly Vince learned nothing from the brawl for all 😂🙈
I saw this several times. Kurt didn't pin Puder. The referees protected Angle because he would have had hurt permanently. Also, Puder has made it clear that the supposed $1m guaranteed contact was only really $250k for the first year and something like $50k for the next 3 years. I am an Angle fan, but he got the facts very wrong in this case.
I wouldn't trust Puder he's still store about the whole thing
Puder also went in for a submission, which he shouldn't have done.
No one trust puder either
I don't care for either of them but Kurt was saved from a pretty bad injury that he deserved for being a bully. "Punking" guys that are trying to get a job is cowardice and Kurt was lucky the ref stepped in and saw that Kurt was in real trouble. I'm glad he still feels embarrassed to this day about it.
@@Jrocc811 He was supposed to punk them. That was part of the show... What wasn't part of the show was Puder cheating and getting Kurt in a submission.
I think Kurt is still a little bothered by Daniel Puder. Maybe not as much as back in the day, but a little bit.
Of course he is. You wouldn't be?
Whatever gave you that idea? Was it when he called him a stupid son of a b*tch about 10 seconds in 😂
He won a £250k a year contract from tough enough. A loophole meant they only had to offer the first year. Anyone on earth would have refused 700 a week after being on almost 5 times that amount
how do you know it was only $700 a week?
Both puder and angle have confirmed the same figure in separate interviews
@@sirhugo316 what are the names of the videos where they confirm the $700 a week?
It would be almost 7X's that amount.
To be fair it can be debated that the royal rumble match is the main event of the ppvs…I mean it’s the name of the ppv. And everyone does want to see what “legends” will make a surprise return and who’s going to main event at WM
At that year, the Main Event was the royal rumble so Kurts comment doesnt even make sense
@@popovicaleksandar98the point though is that D-BAG Puder was acting like he was a bigger deal than he actually was
Saying "I'm in the main event" makes it sound a lot like you're in a signature feud/title match or at the least a headlining feature of the rumble.
@@popovicaleksandar98yeah. It’s that he was bragging to everyone else. That’s why the put him in his place.
I'm not buying that Kurt was as weak as he says he was. He acts like he came out in a wheelchair!
…Well played 😂
I'll assume Kurt Angle's version is 100% correct (even though the actual video seriously contradicts a lot of it) - Angle was totally out of control and shouldn’t have been in the ring. Before he wrestled Puder he legitimately broke the first guy's ribs, and then had the terrible judgment to get himself into a shoot fight.
Also what Bob Holly & co. did to Puder at the Royal Rumble was cruel bullying and completely unprofessional.
Imagine getting into the Rumble and being single out and chopped mercilessly and repeatedly by Benoit, Bob Holly, and Eddie... 😅😅😅😅😅
That was so lame. Benoit, Guerrero & Holly looked really stupid there
Yeah, well Benoit went psycho and deleted himself and his family, Eddie OD'd, and Bob Holly is now only known for getting his neck broken by Brock Lesnar.
Basically a trio of dirt bags tried to punish a kid for standing up for himself.
@@RCCarDude"Standing up for himself"
Puder attempted to submit Kurt when he shouldn't have. That was an illegal move. Puder's the dirtbag. He deserved what he got in the Rumble.
@@mza4739 Booooo!
@@RCCarDude Eddie's lie cheat steal thing was a character for the WWE, not an actual dirtbag lmao
Never learning a lesson of not to work yourself into a shoot, a classic of that company, hell, the business as a whole.
It was locker room mentality back then. If you didn’t get on with the boys you didn’t last.
^ this is all I got from this. Kurt repeatedly calling him *sshole and stuff was very telling.
Kurt wasn't supposed to pick Pruder for a shoot match, plain and simple. He did anyways, was going to get hurt but the ref saved him.
When you going to stop lying Kurt?
He literally said all of this. Did you just pause the start of the video and head straight for the comments?
@@CHI-JORDAN-CHIHe said he Puder down and put him on his back to pin him. That's a complete lie. I'm sorry you're gullible and your brain doesn't function properly.
How do you go to work in the wrestling business and the first thing you do is disrespect Kurt Angle? probably the most coveted and respected guy in the business, that's the dumbest way to debut.
Might be because it was a shoot?
What was dumb was the way Angle went out there and some of the decisions he made.
I have no sympathy for Puder. Not because of the incident itself, but to go around bragging about it, and having a bad attitude in general. He was a cocky prick. But he's supposed to have people feel sorry for him because he got put back in his place at Royal Rumble? Can't have it both ways, yet he wanted to. No wonder he didn't last long.
In reality Prudder would smash benoit eddie and holly. None of those 3 would want to fight him ina real 1 on 1
@ThaSilentOne420 regardless he was a prick and I have no sympathy for him.
@@ThaSilentOne420Puder is a crybaby
@@bretmartinez8212yep agreed 100% percent. 💯 hahaha😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
Kurt Angle : admits his arm would've been broken.
MMA "fans" (keyboard warriors) : "Stop lying. Just admit he had you"
Its like they simply didn't watch the video.
Seriously. Here he is still giving the jackass credit, only putting down his personality and the KBW's are over here calling Kurt 'out' for it.
Like, no dude, if quite a few of the guys there were on Puder's @$$, it was for a damn good reason. Especially when one hears Bob Holly was involved.
Holly didn't take any crap from anyone and was literally as hardcore about the business as it gets, if you pissed him off you better get your crap together.
You didn't watch the video. Kurt made himself out to be a completely broken man instead of just saying he got got. He's undermining Puder and building sympathy for himself.
People often don't let facts get in the way of their own opinions
@@frankstallone3864but it was a wrestling match not mma
Theirs a difference were taught in jiujitsu . Theirs tap out pressure and instantly mame pressure. Ones for training or making someone quit give up . The other is for someone seriousy trying to hurt or harm u . Which means soon as u get something u instantly break it . Jiujitsu is a battlefield art . Pro wrestling and amature wrestling is sport entertainment . Learn the difference. If prudder wanted to he wouldve broke Kurts arm instantly . Prudder slapped on rolling/training pressure. The same pressure we use in tourneys or training. Reality their is 3 types of pressure . Tap pressure , hyper extend pressure , break/compound fracture pressure
It baffles me that still so many people are taking puders side and defending him 🙄 i heard pretty much EVERY single excuse over the years and not one of them makes sense to me. I don't care how legit Puder was as a real fighter. What he tried to do on that night was:
1. Embarassing his employer on live TV
2. Sending an F U to the whole wrestling industry
3. Breaking the arm of a co worker on purpose!
And not any co worker but a long year veteran that was respected and loved by almost everyone.
There is nothing in this world that imo could defend his stupid ego trip.
Puder was challenged. Angle got what he deserved and is still making excuses 20 years later. LOL
If Kurt understood pro wrestling, he would have scripted things with Puder ahead of time OR learned how to shoot wrestle.
Kurt probably heard stories from e.g. Backlund about how the old timers would challenge people and beat them in shoot wrestling. Kurt thing that, as an amateur wrestler, he could do that.
I like Kurt and he had a lot of talent, but he never had the brains of a great pro. Nice guy when he wasn't roid raging, but not the sharpest of tacks in the pile.
The chop fest is probably my favorite Rumble story. 😂
To be fair, "IF", I ever got the best of Kurt I'd brag about it too.
That whole Tough Enough season having real shoot like spots & contests was a botch by WWE. People was actually getting hurt & injured for segments on the show nobody was even tuned in to watch.
KA is a liar. You can watch the video, he is shoot mad at Puder immediately after. He was mostly recovered from the surgery (which occured in April and this took place in November.) He had a highly competetive macth with Mysterio the week previous and a impromptu match the follow week, then another match the week after that. There is no way in heck Vince McMahon pulled him aside ( an olympic gold medalist) and said "Don't pick Daniel Puder" He didn't even known Puder's name.
Dude even AL snow commented on it everything angle said is true.
If you look Daniel up, he actually did just fine after he left the WWE. He's had a successful career in wrestling and MMA and did a lot of community work with various organizations over the years and is a sheriff's deputy now. His million dollar contract was actually a 4 year 250K a year contract with the option to end it after the first year if he wasn't living up to expectations, and he knew that when he signed it so no one can really complain he didn't get his chance, he did but he wasn't the draw they hoped he'd be. But in the end he did land on his feet and did very well for himself in the years that followed.
"He would have broke my arm"
No... He COULD have. That doesn't mean he would have done it on purpose.
I love Kurt, but "if he was cool about everything"
He was cool? He just used a term like Main event etc. He got haized heavily.
Maybe he had some things to learn, but in the grand scheme of things he wasn't horrible.
He wasn't supposed to put him in a kimura. It wasnt in the rules. He was being a stupid f***.
No he definitely would have. He wanted attention and wanted to stand out and steal the show. Don’t have patience
Puder has said in an interview that he was willing to go as far as needed to win against Angle, because years before, Angle was picked for the Olympics over Puder's trainer or something like that, so he wanted to see what Angle was made of.
It was a key lock, not an arm bar
BJJ practitioner here. Firstly it wasn’t an armbar, it was a Kimura, known in American wrestling as a figure four shoulder lock.
Second, trying a sub in a shoot wrestling match is like throwing punches during a BJJ roll/spar. It’s dangerous, imbecilic and will immediately result in everyone else present scolding you for your terrible form.
Third, the Kimura and the Americana are responsible for more injuries than the big scary heel hook. Simply because the leverage applied both cranks the labrum and rotator cuff in a tearing way as well as twisting the thinner of the two bones between your shoulder and your elbow. Meaning once begun torquing, if your shoulder doesn’t tear, the bone in your arm will snap. If applied carelessly or to an unsuspecting opponent with no knowledge on the hold or an opponent that’s not expecting to need to defend submissions, you will be giving your opponent an injury with a multi year recovery process. The type of injury that would cause a quarterback to never be able to throw the same way again.
What Puder did was dangerous and stupid. Kurt was right to be pissed
Nice novel, anyway . He is full of shit when it comes to this he changes the story on every podcast he appears on.
Kurt challenged Puder to a shoot. Kurt got what he asked for, not what he wanted. It was a wrestling match or BJJ, it was just an agreed upon fight of whatever you got.
Kurt didn't lay out the rules ahead of time. You're right that Kurt was in danger from joint locks, but if so he should have said, "No submissions, please, I can't handle them."
@@Myndir On that, we agree.
Kurt has a little bit of his information incorrect in this story. Puder didn’t put Kurt in an armbar, he had Kurt in a Kimura Lock. If you watch the footage, you can see he’s doing a variant of Brock Lesnar’s Kimura Lock.
Yeah I saw the video of that incident, quick thinking on the ref's part. I probably would have froze up like "Well this wasn't in the script, what do I do?" Lol
Kurt tells this story with a Hulk Hogan level of honesty
Nah give Kurt a break, he’s a great guy.. I believe him.
@@alexsabre1323fk that he didn't even put over the ref who saved his career
@@alexsabre1323lol. You don't know either of them. Don't act like you do.
@@lestercross5123 well he also didn’t mention that he was on 65 vicodin a day.. yeah 🤣 that was perc angle wrestling with a young ufc fighter.
@@alexsabre1323 🤨you lost me, but that's interesting anyway
Kurt got embarrassed by a jobber. End of story
Literally not what happened at all.
Kimura is my favorite submission
Rookie almost breaks his arm
"You're not TOUGH ENOUGH!"
lol
Ngl, if I were Puder, I'd have probably tagged him in a tweet and said, "cope!", or something along those lines🤣
0:47 Vince probably knew Kurt would pick Puder if he told him not too 😂😂
Respectfully... Kurt, if you're injured and advised to NOT do something, maybe don't do it.
Granted, the kid didn't play by the rules, but get him when you're healthy. Then you can embarrass him properly.
This issue is that Kurt was really never healthy lol.
The ref in the match said Kurt went off script. He wasn't supposed to do that. He was supposed to beat the Tough Engouh contestant and that was it. Instead Kurt asked the other contestants if they wanted to try and that's when Daniel volunteered (but no one said Daniel said he couldn't or could do that).
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Then u woke up . MMA fighters destroy Kurt he knows it as well as u do
@@ThaSilentOne420 Yeah. There's a reason why Brock went into MMA and Angle didn't.
Wait Angle said Pruder didn’t work out cause he was a terrible wrestler, but at the end he said it was unfortunate cause he was a talented kid 😂
You can have raw skills and still suck.
@@thedogwoods5716I disagree. Vince pushes and the crowd eventually bites. It took them years to get Roman on top. Vince said cram it down their throats until it works. They tried so many different times to push him and it failed. The Rock had to step in, create the entrance music, create the acknowledge me line, and help change his personna. Roman STILL has horrible mic skills and in ring skills, yet he his popular and the champ. They had to make Paul his mouth piece and put his family in to cover for his garbage in ring performance. You can literally put anyone in that spot and they will eventually succeed.
Yup, practice your comprehension and you'll get it.
I fell out of wrestling in 2006, but of course I remember Angle and I still love watching these interviews because the nostalgia of those years as a big wrestling fan still get me...but do Wrestling Fans in general ever Grow the F*ck up? I see so many haters/trolls in these videos, much like Video Game-related videos. Are so many people in here just stupid kids that were not even born during the Attitude/Ruthless Aggression era...or are they a bunch of nerds that never grew up and grew out of wrestling???
I remember Puder in the Royal Rumble
This isn't what happened at all, we literally have video of this incident and I remember watching it live.
Everyone was out of the ring, they just did a "emasculate the new guys" segment where kurt gets one of them in the wring and just man handles them in front of the crowd. Kurt then went and screamed "Anyone else want some?!" and puder, obviously sick of what was being done to them and an actual fighter, raised his hand. It wasnt "pin only" as that was never discussed or even mentioned, and daniel shot in on kurt and had him in a kimura lock from the bottom. Puder had it cranked hard enough he was on his side and his shoulders were not flat. The ref made a quick count and predended puder lost. Kurt instantly got up and started screaming in his face "What the fuck is wrong with you?!" mad that he had just about been outed in front of millions and beaten by a new guy. Daniel then just left the ring and the segment ended.
Frankly, I think Puder was in the right. He was a legit fighter with legit history, and a bunch of greased up roid rage body builders who pretend fight once a week was disrespecting him constantly. The fact is all of them like to think they are "hookers" or "shooters" but they encountered a real trained shooter, and it made them look bad. So they punished daniel non stop till he left the business.
Wrong
it was freestyle wrestling, of course it's pin only, whoever tries to lock a Kimura during a wrestling match is an idiot
Puder challenged Angle, not the other way around. Props to Kurt though for *finally* admitting Puder had him.
Also the last bit about Puder demanding more money is *kind of* true, depending on who you believe. According to Puder, they tried to undercut the remainder of his $1 000 000 tough enough contract after the first year, which he rejected.
To be fair, he wasn't producing a million dollar result because of his ego or his skills. He could have improved over time if he stayed and had a decent career. If done right, he could have made even more money if he did well enough.
WWE made millions on that reality show with the promise of 1 million contract. @@lylaznboi01
Puder saying he is in a main event when he is on 30-man Royal Rumble shows the ego. We have lot of Daniel Puders around us and we all know how those guys are. Trying to project to be something bigger than reality doesn't earn any respect.
If he was really in that bad of shape, why not send someone else?
Because he's kurt angle and he can beat any body in wrestling mat
Ego
Tell me you're clueless about the pro wrestling industry without telling me you're clueless about the pro wrestling industry.
(the secret is they're all hurt all the time - it's a tough business)
@@danjonmills its showbuwsiness u have a gold metalist beating anyone at wrestling it's entertaining
Cause hes lying.
it doesnt matter if its a shoot promo or what. you have to protect your self and others. kurt was getting a huge push. he could not risk his character getting defeated by a tough enough contestant. and puder should not have applied the kamura. dangerous and did fit the product at the time. puder essentially was going to business for himself. even if kurt chose him they could have worked a storyline out.
Don't ask for a fight then act shocked when you get one, that is my advice for kurt.
He literally had beat the shit out of another guy right before the incident. the entire segment was them trying to humiliate and emasculate the tough enough guys. "THIS IS REAL BRO" was the message he was trying to send, well daniel made it real for kurt, and kurt shit his pants.
@@biggumstevens1784 he was asked by Vince to do this and Al Snow tried to prevent it because he probably knew something like this was a possibility, the main problem was the rules were just not explained well, at least in terms of amateur style to WWE style they did a three count instead of a one count, so Puder had a case for the rules being unclear he's just kind of overly arrogant about it, Kurt supposedly hurt the first guy unintentionally and he wasn't prepared to sell that takedown he did to him I put this fully on Vince who didn't think this one through and put Kurt and these contestants in a bad situation
Is it me or do wrestlers in this type of setting (with large amounts of fans present), tend to put themselves over more than an intimate interview with no fans around. I mean, I get it. These guys spent decades trying to bury opponents on the mic so Im sure its hard to get out of. And nothing against Kurt, I like Kurt. I just take everything with a grain of salt.
Big fan of Kurt, he's a legend, Daniel Puder, not so much. Puder sounds like a tool through and through, but I think the Puder/Angle incident, Angle and the WWF were at fault.
They wanted Kurt to go rough on the Tough Enough kids for real, no script, no pre-determined outcome whatsoever, and Kurt picked the wrong guy. Puder could've broken Kurt's shoulder (it was a kimura, not an armbar), had it not been for the ref. The ref should've been commended for thinking on his feet and made it like Kurt 'pinned' Puder.
Also people forget that it was not a pin fall match, but a submission match. I have seen the video a bunch and Kurt even said it was to see who could tap him out.
@@sepheroth3373 100% kurt is lying. They did that on the fly.
I can hear Vince now "Dammit Kurt what the hell is wrong with you?" 😂😂
What the hell is wrong with Vince lol
He always, ALWAYS ALWAYS says arm bar. It was a kimura.
Kimura is a type of armbar in terms of BJJ
I remember in that royal rumble somebody gave him a back drop and he couldn’t take it properly
The best part of this interview is if you google what royal rumble Daniel Puder was in it shows you both Eddie and Benoit lighting him up in the corner with those chops 😂
or maybe he believed he'd be treated like that forever and rather wanted it to be worth his while instead.
Did you intentionally use the least flattering photo you could find for the thumbnail? Wtf
I'm supposed to believe that he was wrestling while he was that bad off? Idk. Sounds like bs to me.
I like how Kurt angle starts talking about his injuries and acts like he knew Daniel
Kurt also said "Vinnie Mac only sleeps 2 hours a day" 😂
Everyone who knows Vince says that
@@bane3991 No 80 year old sleeps 2 hours a day. I'm guessing wrestling is still real to you?! 😂
@DSN262 So let me try to understand what you're saying. Correct me if I'm wrong. I have a few questions and I just want to verify what you're saying.
You're saying you don't believe he sleeps a few hours a night because that's not what the average person does? Are you saying we are all the exact same genetically? If you and I sleep let's say, 3hrs. Are you saying we will have the exact same symptoms as each other? Is this what you're trying to say? I don't want to put words into your mouth. But it sounds like you're saying we are all exactly the same.
Do you think Kurt could be exaggerating a bit? Maybe it's 3-4hrs?
Also, since everyone who knows Vince says the exact same thing of him running on very little sleep, do you think they all got together to make up a lie about Vince McMahons sleep schedule? If so, what incentive would they have to do that?
@@bane3991 He said Vinnie Mac only sleeps 2 hours a night, with the emphasis 'two' he didn't say a few hours per night he said '2' I'm calling bs on that, he more than likely sleeps 4 to 5 hours as we know old people can only last so long throughout the day until their age catches up with them.
And as far as wrestlers agreeing with this statement, they'll say anything to kiss Vinnie Macs ass, as they are always looking to work for him if they aren't already, he's their chance of a big payday!
@DSN262 You didn't address what I said about everyone having the same genetics. Do you think there's a certain percentage of the population, even if small, that can function on little sleep? Do you think Vinces elite level diet and workout routine might help him push past it? Or what about the steroids he takes because that gives you a ton of energy. I think you're stereotyping people and not taking any other details into consideration. 2hrs per night isn't normal, it's far from it. But Vince is also far from the average person. He has a better diet than 99 percent of people. He has a strict workout routine that 99 percent of people do not have. He is on drugs that 99 percent of people aren't on. He could just have those genetics that makes it so he doesn't have to sleep much. I can't function under 5hrs. My body shuts down. I'm dead. But I know people who do perfectly fine on that. For me, I experience severe exhaustion, memory loss, diaherrea, etc. I won't even be aware of the date. It could be a Friday and I think it's a Monday. We can be in November and I think it's october. I feel the best on 8hrs. I can still function perfectly well on 7hrs. 6.5 is a little off but still good. 6hrs I'm off but nothing severe. 5.5hrs I'm very tired and my memory starts to go. On 5hrs I have pretty bad memory loss and diaherrea. 4.5hrs I feel my whole body about to die. This is me. Other people I talk too doesn't experience this. I am the more extreme example in the other direction. My point of telling you this is, we are all different. We are built differently. I knew a girl from school who had issues and she only got like 2-3hrs of sleep per night. She was perfectly fine. When you have 7 billion people on Earth, you'll find extreme examples. There are people who are allergic to the sunlight and water.
You talk about wrestlers kissing his ass. How is saying Vince only sleeps a few hours a night kissing someone's ass? Is that suppose to be an achievement? I don't see this being true. And then they'll have stories of him working out at 3AM and answering phone calls and then going to meetings at 7AM.
I very much doubt that everyone is making this stuff up.
Before anyone forgets Daniel Puder won the Million dollar Tough Enough challenge. He was right to decline and have animosity with WWE. It was false advertisement if they never intended to give that kind of money to a newbee.
The problem with the internet is that history is changed far too often. I remember this happening and there was no mention of pin only on tv or in the interviews after. This is absolute BS.
freestyle wrestling is pinfalls only
In what year of the royal rumble this thing happened?
2005
He starts off with a myriad of excuses and never once said "I just got caught". HAHA That still seems to get to him. Your excuses make you look worse. His lack of knowledge about hooks was exposed. His ego put him in that situation. Now he is still making excuses to feed his ego.
What happened to Puder in the rumble was straight up bullying. Holly has been outed as an actual bully, Angle had serious pill issues, and we all know what Benoit did.
I would've loved if Daniel tried that on a 2003 Lesnar
Ha. Or a 2023 Lesnar for that matter! Nobody's that stupid surely
It would have worked in 2003
Puder would have died 😂😂😂😂
Rip to him. Lol
@@adamirishconundrum851 Cleary you don't know how fast he moved back then
First, he has to preface it with how fragile he was. Upper body strength and nerves were shot from the surgery. Got it. Then he goes into how tough he is, that if you tell him not to do something, he's going to do it.
So basically he's an idiot. And the company is also horrible (shocker) for putting "entertainers" in such situations.
Whatever makes you feel better. Put yourself in Angle's spot.
Sipo Matador move. Forces the guy to make your arm work when it doesnt work.
The truth is that if it was a real fight (like Angle drew it up. Just no striking) Puder would have made Kurt tap or broken Kurt’s arm in multiple places. A kimora is EXTREMELY dangerous not to tap to. Could have ended Kurt’s career
Truth is it wasn’t a submission match so Kurt aside from being injured, likely wasn’t expecting that. If Kurt would’ve known that it would be a submissions match he would’ve taken another approach. So UFC marks just love their Puder and pull their panties down over the incident, Kurt is still a better wrestler anyway and is a better man
Pruder could have easily broken his arm in that melee if we're being honest
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Well if we're being honest, Puder was out of line. He knew the conditions he was given to work with. What he did instead was not allowed.
Angle stil won with puder cheating trying to break his arm
Lol. Ya ok. Kurt can't admit he got his ass kicked
The truth is, like the man himself said, is that he was warned against picking the guy, picked him anyway, and found himself on the wrong side of a submission lock
Who in the hell is Chris Benoit?
A guy who loved his family.
The ufc fans are desperate in the comment section
Right. Little rationality.
UFC fans are always desperate 😂
@@rcdune7132yep agreed 100% percent 💯😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
Yeah, this was a massive L for Kurt, both at the time and now.
1. He didn't narrow it down to Puder and pick him. He just embarrassed one of the other contestants, and then asked if anyone else wanted to get in the ring, Puder was the only one who volunteered, and Kurt told him to "get his ass in the ring."
2. If this was a "pin only" thing, it wasn't explained to either Kurt or Puder beforehand. Kurt tried multiple times to get him into a front facelock. Puder was able to lock his arm into a pretty well executed Kimura, and had the referee not counted the weakest pin you will EVER see, Angle would have had his arm broken.
3. Puder wasn't punished because of his attitude, he was punished for making Angle look bad.
4. Puder wanted more money, because WWE stiffed him out of $750 000. It was supposed to be a million dollars to win, they paid him 250k, and then offered him an extension worth about $37k a year.
Every time he's asked about it he immediately starts making excuses.
Mr. Angle is one of the most over, "Made" dudes of all time. He says it, its gospel.
What happened was you got schooled by 3rd grader lol 😂
he couldn't cut it in mma so he came to larp in the wwe
People don’t understand that it’s all a script to have Angle beat all of them up and push a storyline. Not sure why this is going over peoples heads who are saying “if it was a real fight” or this & that. Kid didn’t follow the script so it cost him. If any actor in Hollywood can’t follow a script for a movie then he/ she doesn’t have a job plain and simple.
Wrestling rule: NEVER tell a wrestler NOT to do something lol
Puter received 250k of his million dollar win. Some clause he had to work with wwe for 4 years to get 1 million. The 2800 a month, was to work in fcw in Florida. No traveling, just training and being on local television. They pay for a apartment and food while in developmental. So 250 k in 2004 plus 2800 a month plus free rent and 200-350 for food back then? Puter obviously didn’t believe he could make it in wwe. Miz, morrison got those deals minus rhe 250 k, look at them now. Mr kennedy said indys he got 100 dollars a match, a hotdog, and a handshake. Mick foley slept in his van. Puter was a whiny diva. All the top guys paid their dues.
It didn't look like Kurt couldnt feel his arms
was he really in bad condition or did he just get beat. excuses,
It was kimura, not an armbar, Kurt...
Did anyone explain to Daniel spider it was pin only?
It was a shoot. The ref counted on the fly to save Angle's fragile ego and arm.
Man, there are some aneurysm inducing comments on this video
Puder didn't have that bad of an ego. He later let Benoit and them chop him to death, even though he could have whipped all the "Radicalz" with one hand behind his back.
Puder came back home with Kurt’s arm and sat it on his front windowsill like the leg lamp in Christmas Story 😂
Do you use Kettlebells Kurt?
Couldnt do 5 push up, but you could lift the Big Show? Quit downplaying it, he fuckin made you tap broski.
The truth or his version of it?
Imagine this was prime olympic gold medalist Angle. He would have kill him.
Truth is that Kurt got his butt kicked. He tried to bully Daniel and it backfired..
He didn’t get his butt kicked, Kurt won
@@kevinjurkiewicz9557Only totally delusional Angle fans think he didn't get his ass kicked.
Looks like I triggered some tards.. Real fighter vs. fake wrestler.. REal fighter always wins..
He didn’t lol
@@al112v4 He yelled & screamed at Puder...and Puder simply took the challenge & embarrassed Angle.
Didn't he also wrestle every single contestant first before he even got to Puder? He was already burnt out by then