Karen Read Trial Aftermath: Jurors Speak Out; 1 Officer On Leave & Another Re-Assigned
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Welcome to another episode of Surviving The Survivor, the podcast that brings you the #BestGuests in all of True Crime…
In this LIVE episode, STS Host and #BestGuests discuss how a fourth juror in the Karen Read trial has come forward to report that the jury found Karen Read "not guilty" of second-degree murder and leaving a scene of personal injury and death.
Read's attorneys are asking the judge to dismiss these two counts when the case goes to trial again...but this begs the question: Could a mistrial have been prevented? Our #BestGuests break this all down for us and explain what happened and what we could see the next time around.
Plus! An on-going investigation into the PD has now resulted in 1 officer's suspension and the other officer's re-assignment.
#BestGuests:
Judge Jay Blitzman (Retired) served as the First Justice of the Massachusetts Middlesex County Juvenile Court Division. Prior to his twenty-four year judicial career he was a public defender and was the first director of the Roxbury Youth Advocacy Project, a multi-disciplinary legal services unit which was the basis for creating a state wide public defender division.
Detroit Criminal Defense Attorney Brother Counsel who hosts the TH-cam channel with the same name.
Anna G. Cominsky ’05 is the Director of the Criminal Defense Clinic at New York Law School and she teaches three other experiential learning courses: Advocacy of Criminal Cases, Deposition Skills, and Intensive Trial and Advocacy Skills. Additionally, she has been named Managing Attorney of NYLS Legal Services Inc. In the role, she manages the day-to-day functions of the School’s in-house law firm, which, through NYLS's many clinics, provides free high-quality legal services to New Yorkers who would otherwise be unable to afford legal representation.
Joshua Ritter was named the 2015 Outstanding Prosecutor of the Year by the Association of Deputy District Attorneys.
Upon joining his current personal injury firm El Dabe Ritter Trial Lawyers, Joshua has continued to devote his talents to the tenacious and zealous defense of his clients.
Joshua also hosts the podcast Courtroom Confidential.
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The judge continued to disrespect the defense and make remarks at how she did not want to waste the jurors or their time yet, she did this in the worst way.
I am not a Turtleboy follower but i did research these claims of witness intimidation and actually found that the blogger is the one being harrassed and intimidated and the allegations were lies. In fact, the prosecution still hasnt provided the defendant with what he did that constitutes witness intimidation. They have been requesting discovery which still hasnt been provided. This is blatant framing of a blogger in an attempt to silence him. It is so obvious. I think you should look into this as it is an attack on the first amendment.
There is a difference between intimidation and holding someone accountable. I also saw proof that these same witnesses have sent blogger nude photos of men, threatened to bash his head all over the pavement (this was just last week), contacting supporters of Karen Reads place of work with intention of getting them fired. Liz Proctor forgot to block her number and when they redialed the number her voicemail picked up. This is blatant weaponizing the courts to silence a reporter who has uncovered alot of information that was proven to be factual.
Thank you! It drives me insane when Joel & all his guests mindlessly repeat the CW’s press releases about any aspect of this case, but especially TB.
It’s unconscionable that a group of trial lawyers - criminal defense lawyers - and a judge operate as if anything the prosecution claims is rock-solid truth.
Esp in this case where it is a matter of record that the prosecutor and the LEOs and most prosecution witnesses lied.
If you choose to forego researching the basic facts of the case, you shouldn’t be bloviating about it.
@@valhallaw I could not agree more with you. It’s frustrating!
I watched the jury instructions over and over and wrote down the times she mention vote or slips. She took about 6 minutes in all on the process for coming to verdict and unanimous vote. These are the times she mentions vote or slips.
1) “You should continue deliberating until you reach a final verdict on each count.”
2) “ will not take a verdict between 1 and 2.”
3). After the final vote of the jury the foreperson should check the appropriate boxes as to each charge then sign and date the verdict slips and notify the court officer that you have reached a unanimous verdict. You will be brought into the court room where the foreperson will deliver the verdicts to the court.”
They followed her instructions and did not fill out slips because they had not reach “a final verdict on each charge”
@@margy1884 Thank you for doing the research! Cannone’s instructions were definitely confusing.
I don't think the professor or the judge watched much of the trial. For this panel, they should have at least reviewed the video of the mistrial being declared. The defense had no opportunity to object. There wasn't a pause to allow anyone to say anything. Not the CW, defense or jury members.
They had the opportunity. Before the final note. Defense wanted mistrial cw wanted to continue. Defense congradulated each other & the family 🎉
This trial was a mess IMO. The trooper in charge of the investigation was so terribly unprofessional I could not believe anything that came out of his mouth. The Judge also did not appear to be impartial which was troubling. It appeared these issues were entrenched leading me to feel this was normal and common behavior. Love your podcast!!
What about the ultra reliable former Boston Globe reporter? He ran with some Twitter/X bs not a reliable source or some courthouse insider as was claimed. Big miss STS.
This is why I don't get any of my information from main stream media anymore.. only reliable online sources.. though those seem to be rare these days, but there are a few left out there still.
I wouldn’t call it a big miss. I’d call it a Boston Globe reporter …. With possibly bad info. Or possibly correct info on count 2
I appreciate that Joel doesn't waste his time focusing on the weeds of things. He never speaks negatively about other people or channels. He sticks to the facts and is respectful with guests.
@@leannabedore I agree. That’s one of the reasons I listen.
@@SurvivingTheSurvivor he wasn’t presented as just any Boston Globe reporter though. He was touted as a highly respected, former long time reporter with courthouse sources who wouldn’t compromise his reputation by reporting bad information. I’m a real fan of STS. Big miss may have been a little strong but Joel was sure that this guy was reliable. I’m sure getting reliable info in today’s world is a bitch compared to the past. If I was a reporter in today’s info environment (like Joel and COE) I would probably just start a TH-cam channel too. Thanks STS…
Judges must be held to better standards, they are not above the law. No other country puts their judges on a pedestal like Americans. It is very patriarchal and allows room for corruption.
SHE DROPPED THE BALL IN THE WORST WAY.!!
Or she pulled the rug out from under the jury! However you want to look at it. I watched the whole trial and pre trial hearings.
@@margy1884 me too! She didn’t even want to be there. Gross negligence at best.
Great show. That judge was spot on. Bev's Jury instructions was the key. She said you must have unanimous decision on the charges. This must've confused the jury
The problem is that the jury instructions made it sound like that jurors had to reach a unanimous verdict on each count. They thought it was ALL or NOTHING!
The actual form itself had wording in it that led them to believe that they could not “Check the Box” on only 2 counts. Otherwise why wouldn’t they simply check Not Guilty, Not Guilty & leave the 3rd count blank ? You would also think that the final note to the judge would’ve said…” We have reached a unanimous decision on counts 1 & 2 but are unable to agree on 3” ? It Doesn’t make any sense to me
Exactly. The jury took this job incredibly serious and were very well spoken. The defense is just throwing crap at the wall now and hoping something sticks. This is a tactic and more drama they cooked up to get her mob all riled up.
@@sarasmilesco8551 The defense did not "cook" this up. They are not allowed to contact the jurors. The fake counts reported are what spurred the jurors to contact them!
@@sarasmilesco8551 So it’s your opinion that the defense is making all this up? They’re filing false affidavits, lying under oath about jurors contacting them ? Doubt it !
Y’all, I’m a little disappointed by all the jury blame here. As a former juror (from a murder trial), the court gives you ZERO instruction…throughout the entire process. One of the girls had to back out of being a bridesmaid for her friends wedding because we never knew the court schedule. Everything was so unpredictable and secretive, but also oddly formal at the same time. I would bet those jurors were relying on the judge or attorneys to guide them through. No one knows about Allen charges, or when the court formally declares a mistral…they carry no blame here.
Also- being a juror is a total mindfuck experience, in my opinion…
100 % agree with you @jfrancesart, this is not Jurys fault at all. It was clear even before deliberations that this judge was not going to make it easy for the Jury at all.. in fact , Judge made it more unclear and difficult from the get go.. It was the defense Attorneys that had to raise issue with the Written box for the jury , which had No NOt guilty boxes to check on lesser charges.. she kept saying .. this is how we do things.. //
All of this imo is on the shoulders of the Judge.. and i believe why this happened was by her decision not by the fact that she did not know to ask .. how the jury has decided on Each Individual Charge. There were 3. Judge should have asked for Jurys Guilty or Not guilty on each Charge.
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This Jury seems to be very serious, hard working and thoughtful.
it is disrespectful of their time and work that they were not asked about their decision on each Count against the Defendant.
Supposed to feel sorry for someone who couldn't be a bridesmaid? And it's a woman not a "girl." I think jury duty is a bit more important. Agree though, jurors are not to blame.
@@edu456 diminishing bridesmaids and girls 🧐 me thinks you must be old and cranky and bored
@@jfrancesart 100%
Judge, you have to admit Canone was biases. She huffed, puffed and moaned towards defense, said she was tired, and seemed to give State many many graces. Undeniable.
Seemed like she didnt like Karen or Jackson
With good reason. lol. But no. She huffed and puffed @e1
Everyone thought she was biased. Thats exactly why she deliberately confused the jury and hid the nature of the verdict. Disgusting long time friend of the real criminals in the case.
Defending this judge demonstrates a lack of discernment between right and wrong, revealing a strong influence on group loyalty. Acknowledging the truth that she was biased and seemingly corrupt becomes impossible under such circumstances.
I am going to watch this specially now that i see Brother Counsel on. He is fantastic. Fair, thoughtful, great speaker. I do hope he gets enough time on the panel. :)
His channel is amazing!
Agree
So glad to see Brother Counsel!
I am glad he is on a group panel.. Brother Counsel deserves to be discovered by more people.
He is super bias. Did he watch the whole trial. ? Possibly not judging by his answers.
So every time a person is on the other side of an argument, they’re biased? Makes no sense
@@vincedidiana5781Well no but If you are suggesting that didn’t they see the highly qualified reconstruction guys etc and he said he don’t get it. What I would say to that fellow is mate, you cannot take anyone’s word or their full opinion on something when they’ve actually only scrolled through 1/3 of all evidence. Did he miss that? Or doesn’t he know? It’s either one or the other, or is he bias to his fans online ? Just questioning him as he wouldn’t be alone there. The coverage of this trial has been farcical. It’s though it’s channel Karen everywhere and the victim is totally forgotten and almost abandoned. Many people on line are also scared so there’s many factors. I’ll stick with bias. Again, you cannot say that any professional or expert in any field looks at 1/3 of evidence and then can honestly give a 100% full evaluation and say that’s it it’s fact lol. It’s not how it works. Simple math tells you so. I’m sure the gentleman knows simple math. So either he didn’t know the fact about the given evidence ? Or he’s biased. Or possibly not the brightest spark around. It’s simple. Math does that. It makes things very simple. 1/3 is not 100% is it.
If I remember right the defense brought up the jury form wanting the judge to have a box for not guilty for each charge and the judge denied the defense, now you have a cluster F because the judge did not do her job correctly.
The judge changed the jury form to exactly what Alan Jackson wanted after he threw a fit. She put a space for not guilty on each charge.
Leave it blank then Bev can mark it herself later........WTH
@@sarasmilesco8551 She did not add Not Guilty boxes. Go watch the argument.
In addition, Bev instructed the jury to only fill out the form after they had reached a verdict on all charges. That was very misleading.
Further, she told them if there was a conflict between the written instructions and her verbal instructions, they should follow her verbal instructions.
All together the jury was very confused, with good reason, and most of it can be laid at Cannone’s door.
@@sarasmilesco8551 Glad you were already corrected but again shows you either did not watch it or are unable to comprehend what actually occurred.
@@valhallaw
Jackson was happy with the judges editing. He did not complain when she altered the form and presented it.
There was not a "NOT GUILTY" box on the Juror Slip to check. The Juror instructions were incredibly confusing and seems to be on purpose!!!
Yes there was. Judge changed the forms to include not guilty after Jackson threw a fit about it.
Brother Counsel is the man!
Love that guy.. he is great !
@@georgewashington3555 agree!
Loving Brother Counsel! Hoping Defense calls Bev as a witness-that blocks her as judge for any future proceeding.
He is Fan Tastic !!
Bev, apparently answers to no one and it stinks!
Amen on that
I can’t listen to these guys! Ugh!
That’s not going to happen. The judge did nothing wrong. Jackson said nothing until these mystery jurors friends of a friends friend, may have contacted him.
The jury were 8-4 on manslaughter which indicates that she did hit John O’Keef with her car. The conspiracy BS didn’t fool everyone, clearly.
Maybe Jackson wants to get back to LA stat.
Brother Council did a very nice job of breaking the case down!
Shouldn’t this judge be devastated knowing she, at the very least, contributed to this confusion that the jury experienced? Shouldn’t she be determined to get to the bottom of it to ensure this never happens again in future trials? Shouldn’t she be protector of the defendants civil rights? This is a complete outrage. The failure is at the very least, partially her fault, and it happened under her watch.
She should be shitting herself. Incompetent doesn't even begin to describe her.
If the jury is not brought back in and Karen is retried on all charges, this is a double jeopardy sitch and goes against your US constitution!! This would be so wrong!!
That was complete disrespect to the jury, of their sacrifice of their time. of all their efforts. Judge is the Pro here.. if the rest of us here that have watched Trials online know that every charge is supposed to be questioned Separately from the jury to tell us whether they vote Guilty or Not guilty, then the Judge Certainly should know that.
@@Stuckinthemiddle8214 she's a mc procbert
I would not want to sit on a jury in front of her. My time and vote doesn’t matter to her or the CW prosecutor unless it is guilty. I would voice my concern and say no Thank you I have no confidence in the Judge’ integrity to take my verdict.
Right, sounds like jurors did not realize there is a requirement to individualize each count, that each count has an individual verdict, and that guilty or not guilty has to be declared separately and not as a whole. That should have been concluded by the judge because the judge is the affirmation of clarity and advocate for order in the courtroom.
I agree.. judge is the one that is in charge, the one that is a leader and instructor for the jury. Also It was jackson that already objected that Judge did not include Not Guilty as an option for Lesser Charges. Now i am not even sure did the judge include the right slip to the jury which had those boxes of Not Guilty for the jury to check off.? it all just seems so bad.
They were separate verdict forms for each charge to address exactly that. the murder charge had its own form and the only choices were guilty or not guilty. No lesser Included options. It was not confusing or argued about in court. The panel didn't discuss it correctly here.
1:03:00 Im shocked that at this point, no one gas brought up that the Judge told the jury if there's any discrepancy between the written instructions and what she says, go by what she says. I watched her say, 'unanimous on all charges'. That could be misconstrued the way it appears it was.
Why should Karen take a plea, she is innocent.
Agree.. who even said that?
She isn’t innocent. Most people know this. Not all of them comment on TH-cam.
No she is not.
@@stevenprice6957Agreed!
@sarasmilesco8551 she is not, totally agree. And Karen had no problem taking everyone down with her.
Has everyone forgotten the deceit with the inverted video. Lally tried to pull a fast one there. This alone should have been enough to raise enough reasonable doubt. I rest my case.
🤦🏻♀️ I cannot. The video is literally the same thing just mirrored. If you couldn’t tell that by looking at the writing on the wall and car, that’s on you. There is nothing nefarious about showing a video as it was recorded and received
The video shows Read's SUV arriving at the Canton PD sallyport at 05:36. The defense argued that Proctor et al then broke Read's taillight and then planted the debris at 34 Fairview.
But how could that have happened if the SERT team was ALREADY at 34 Fairview finding debris from Reads car?. Officer O Hara testified that he arrived at 34 Fairview at 04:56 along with officer Beausoleil. The other SERT team members arrived shortly thereafter with the final member showing up at 05:41. There were a total of 7 officers at 34 Fairview including O Hara and Beausoleil. How would it have been possible to plant pieces of Read's taillight at 34 Fairview if the SERT team found debris BEFORE Read's Lexus arrived at Canton PD?
@@milart12. 100%. She’s guilty
The jurors are novice to the laws of the court. Like new employees on the job. How are they to know they are supposed to do something different or interpret her words ? The justice system has let KR and the jury down. So an innocent person can go to jail because the jury did not interpret properly? The prosecutor can say one thing in opening 12:45 and then in closing 12:30? Lally lied and embellished details in closing. Disgrace. A person life is more important than getting a win for the commonwealth. People are saddened that ARCCA was guys not credible but did find trooper Paul ‘s reconstruction credible are deciding the future of anyone.
Also, I watched because host said this was the most talented group. I found they are not informed. If not for the “ blogger” or actual investigative journalist a lot of information would not have come to light and that is why all the legal bullies in canton are out to get him because he has embarrassed them bringing their actions to light.Ive been fascinated by this case because of my own run in with a corrupt cop when a young woman with no knowledge of my rights. KR could be any of us. The fact that members of this panel can even suggest she plea after all the lies told on the witness stand and the ARCCA guys as well as ME saying cause of death was not determined is Sureal. What a travesty our justice system has become. How many innocent people are rotting in prison. Just look at Jan 6 peeps that trespassed a Judge recently sent a lady to prison for praying in front of an abortion clinic. Are private prisons and judge kickbacks still a thing? I find the entire thing Suspect especially knowing Josh Levy wanted The DA to switch venues because of what was uncovered by the fbi investigation and he refused. I think the corruption is deep, all the good ole boys have something on all the other good ole boys.
Karen hit John with her car and left him there to die. The evidence against her is overwhelming. As much as you want this to be some big conspiracy, it’s not.
Yes, putting any of this on the jury after they were given badly confusing instructions and a badly confusing (& non-standard) verdict form is quite insane.
Even more insane is the idea that the defendant alone has to bear the burden of this cascade of eff ups.
Judge dropped the ball. The judge should have recused herself. She shouldn't even be a judge.
Can a juror file an affidavit in their own or do they need an attorney to file it? Regardless, big missed opportunity here because your guests didn’t watch the trial and aren’t informed on Massachusetts law - no one can approach a juror after the trial.
Tell that to Reptile Boy. If he weren’t restrained he would have no problem contacting jurors. He was trying to access their details during the trial.
Josh…I agree with you. I would have made boxes on that verdict form.
Brother Counsel is the goods. Just outstanding content on his channel. Makes it easy enough to understand, even for idiots like myself.
He is excellent.. I would love to see him visit with other panels.. Man deserves wide audience.
Karen is innocent
Of being human.
No she isn’t.
The jury instructions said they could not fill out the Slips until they were agreed on all charges. The jury would not know they could decide on them separately. If the judge has simply asked the 1st or 2nd time if they were hung on all 3 charges, there would be no Q. (Not the same as polling). She was in charge, it's her fault. She was constantly propping up the prosecutor.
The whole trial was the opposite of the Baldwin trial. Judge let in all kinds of doctored and hinky evidence from the police. Esp the manipulated sally port video She allowed the police to bring that in after the trial was well under way. No thought of sanctioning the PROS. 😮
The CW should NEVER have brought this to trial!
Yep, I think Brother Counsel is correct. The judge went straight into mistrial. That was clear.
We cant have jurors not understanding the instructions where ppls lives are at stake. This is insane. I thought this was supposed to be a smart jury.
If the jury didn't know they could separate all 3 charges they may have worded their last note differently.
Karen Read is not guilty on all counts.
I agree. Im also glad that 10-2 Rumor was exactly that, a rumor. IF the CW actually takes it to a 2nd trial, I have a feeling the defense is gonna obliterate them 💞
@@russianaloha4576 10-2 Rumor is desperate and tactical try by Pro-Prosecution camp to make their Pathetic Performance in court.. and all the Dominos with Trooper Proctor right after the Trial , seem less tragic and pathetic. Prosecution has lied Prior to this Trial even beginning that they had a Video of Karen read hitting John o keef. They lied. They never had a proof Of Karen doing anything to JOK so trying to Prosecute her in the court of public opinion prior to the Trial.. is all they had. Now they are worse off then ever.
Disagree
I feel like we hear a ton from New York lawyers we never hear from mass
JUDGE!!!!!! ...check the video footage. Bev kept huffing and puffing at defense and said she was tired at one point. It was disgusting.
How about the defense take some accountability? The wanted to accept hung jury the first time it came back
Duty of Care.. Shouldn’t there be a debriefing of sorts with the jury and the Judge?
Weinberg also had to be brought on just for this issue because the attorneys Jackson and Yanetti are affiants and needed another attorney to file this motion.
Karen is innocent 💯
Thumbs up to Attorney general of Ma Levy for investigating Morrisseys office.
Not
Why is this woman going out of her way to (disingenuously & rather manically) ignore the fact that the judge was beyond-biased & absolutely screwed up the charges?
****I think it’s important to note that Jurors began contacting the Defense team within 24 hours after the mistrial was declared. This is not just a social media coercion to bring new perspectives to the judge.
I just finished watching the Baldwin trial. In stark contrast to Bev, the Baldwin trial judge refused to tolerate misconduct by the police and the prosecutor. If the Baldwin trial judge had seen that reversed sallyport video she wouldn't have dismissed it like Bev did. Nor would she have allowed Lally to waste so much of the jury's time.
Great show and great guests. 👏🏼
Ignore the haters, Joel.
If you have three charges surely the judge should ask or clarify whether the jury found her guilty or not guilty on each charge. Blaming the note is not a credible excuse.
It's basic stuff. The CW convoluted way of managing the jury decision making is frighteningly bad. To blame the note for not enquiring guilty or not guilty on seperate charges is not good enough.
In UK the jury foreman announces the decision on charges to the court.
I was so confused by this jury. The notes to the judge sounded like possibly an attorney was doing them. But then I’m thinking how did that person who wrote those not understand or not feel comfortable that they could ask at least. And then I think about brother counsel comment about jury being able to hear the witnesses. Because honestly. How do they believe beyond a reasonable doubt that he was hit by the car. Did they honestly hear all the witnesses ? Were they beaten down by a slew of witnesses that saw nothing, heard nothing and seem to be just a bunch of alcoholic with a lot to hide. Whatever that may be. I know why they say jurors shouldn’t discuss the case because someone else’s take on something could override your own. But at the same time. Sometimes you need to talk things through out loud Maybe just get verification of something. I don’t know. Maybe they missed some things in the prosecutions beating of a case. My opinion from day 1 was he did not look like he was hit by a car. He looked like a fight and a dog attack. But I remained as open as I could be. Nothing was proven as to what happened to him. But I feel certain enough to say his death wasn’t due to her reversing at 24 mph and striking his arm with her taillight What an absolute shame because those officers chose not to do the right thing officer JOK will most likely never have justice.
Only my frustration is that why did AJ not focus on her "could I hit him "speech when he was being in the closing stage?obviously time was short and it was the most crucial part of this trial! I believe bringing her distraction would have explained her situation at the moment but it's what it is 🫤
REASONABLE DOUBT: Everybody keeps talking about there being enough reasonable doubt. Any smart lawyer can create/manufacture a reasonable doubt. Doesn't mean the jurors have to buy into it. The jurors know about experts as well. So, it's their choice which reasonable doubt to believe. There were a number of people who said Karen had said "I hit him... etc." It's very possible some of the jurors chose to believe that over the experts who spoke about the SUV not being likely the cause of those injuries. If you say something is not likely, it also means it's likely.
Good perspectives. This is why a jury of your peers is selected. We all have different life experiences, education, jobs, and varying degrees of common sense. It is a burden to prove guilt, but as a juror you have to use ‘what makes the most sense’ along with all those facts and testimonies. It’s definitely a responsibility to take seriously.
And i still Believe that Dog in the house .. owned by Brian Albert has made the bite marks on John O keefs arm.. and car did not bite him. Nor did it hit him.
The only people creating evidence and lying during that trial was the prosecution. Wake up and smell Chloe's doo-doo. You need to be willfully blind to think the evidence proves John O'Keefe was hit by a car. At least there were enough people on that jury who saw sense instead of voting with their prejudices and their emotions.
Another great show with a great panel! Thank you!
I magine you now are more open to the reality that conspiracies do happen. The term corner case, often used when people down play things that do not happen often, thus the terms creation of the science term. It takes more than 1 person agreeing on something criminal, that is not too hard to do is it? Love your show and guests, just think it would be more credible when blatant actions have taken place by police in this case it has been way too obvious.
What’s obvious?
Conspiracy theories Ned evidence. You cannot believe goldilocks and the 3 bears was a true story unless there’s facts and evidence. Truth is it wasn’t real. Truth is Karen killed John.
In this case shifting the blame on an innocent woman.. to shield the guilty parties in the house from Investigation.
@@georgewashington3555George. Don’t pretend you don’t know. You know exactly that he didn’t go in a house. Stop faking it George. Are you still getting paid ?
I agree with you. STS has had a weird blind spot when it comes to this case. Their coverage has been weak at best.
Of course it is confusing, this is why we are still arguing it.. Come on.
Joel I love when you tell 'them' to like and subscribe🤣
Thank you so much for this show with such a wonderful panel of experts. Really appreciate it. Blessings to ALL.
Hestitant to put the responsibility on the judge? Are you kidding me? The judge handed the jurors a Verdict form that did not have a not guilty option for each charge. instead there was just one not guilty option separated and standing alone unattached to any charge at the top of the form leading the jurors to believe they had to agree on all charges - murder 2, manslaughter, leaving the scene …, Karen’s attorneys told the judge it would cause confusion in the event of a split verdict.
From What ive heard a reliable source has actually told the defense What happened that night. A retired Massachusetts police is claming that atleast. Someone who knows people inside the house and got info from them. Also with the injuries supporting a fight could have happened , dogbites, selling the home, the dog , and third party culprit with motive and opportunity like Brian Higgins or Collin Albert i for sure think the defense took the right path to argue it. I mean there is no support she hit him scientifically but there sure are things indicating there might have been a fight in the house. And somehow he did die and i forgot about all the sus butt dials.
In Massachusetts the attorneys cannot reach out to jurors without consent from the judge . So affidavits will be forthcoming in my opinion
Replay crew.
The judge’s instructions was to come back when you have all settled on the charges. She didn’t say anything if there was a split. Karen should have been set free because once you get to 12-0 on the big charge then nothing else matters.
When did the defense lie??? How can you say anything against them? Don’t listen to the trolls Joel. You have changed so much. Did you see the trial? Lally? Auntie Bev??? Inverting video? There was not ONE piece of evidence Karen hit John. Everything was shown before the trial. The lawyers are telling us jurors are upset because Karen should be free.
They brought in Atty Weinberg because Jackson and Yannetti could be witnesses to what the jurors said. There should be some kind of hearing with jurors, lawyers and even the judge maybe. But she won’t ever let that happen.
Karen will NEVER take a plea. She did not do ANYTHING wrong. There will not be another trial in my opinion. I cannot believe you believe this Joel.
Auntie Bev is also friends with the McAlberts. Please tell me you know that, right?? The defense tried to remove her because she is way too close to the witnesses.
The FBI has the whole case and this case should have been dropped. It will take time but this is corruption. It is seeping out. They will eventually come through.
Joel you don’t need to be a lawyer to understand this. You are smart but you are listening to too many people.
TB had his hearings this past Thursday and we found out yesterday that TB and his lawyer will get the Verizon records from MSP Tully. There will be a lot coming out to show that TB was set up and went to jail for 60 days. This will help Karen also.
Thank you for listening.
They brought the other attorney in so they could be witnesses too to what Judge Cannone did when she read the final eloquent note which as the judge read it did not say they had a unanimous verdict on 1&2. She than released the jury in 2 seconds. When did the defense have a chance to speak up.
This panel should have watched her instructions on the verdict slips and handing them in. She clearly said you should continue deliberating until you reach a final verdict on EACH CHARGE”
Mass Rules of Criminal Procedure Rule 27 (b)Verdict. Says otherwise.
In Massachusetts, the *lawyers can't get an afidavit from a Jurror without the Judge' permission*
Maybe they used chat GPT to craft the notes to the judge..it’s becoming the norm.
Haha. You might be right about that. Never thought of that.
Bad analysis. The verdict form was deficient and the judge failed to query the jury about a split verdict. This is gross incompetence on the part of the judge. She should be disbarred,
Teslly and you were there in deliberation. Think not. None of us know what happened in that room
@@jfk32975 we have four of their sworn statements. Those four jurors are a lot more credible than the lying prosecution witnesses who committed perjury, fabricated evidence and obstructed Justice. Wait til the Feds indictment one of them then the fur will fly and you can choke on your false narrative
@@wygantsh Chill out. The feds aren't going to do anything with the exception of Higgins for destroying his phone. And then why did the jury vote to convict Read 8-4(or 10-2) on dui/manslaughter? Are the jurors who voted to convict in on it as well?
Fantastic show Joel!❤❤
Your judge is missing some facts. I've already listened to judges and attorneys that are outraged at what happened.
Brilliant legal analysis here. Fascinating thanks.
Aunt Bev is awful and bias! obviously
Thanks for the coverage! I think with all that is said, it is my belief is Jackson and Yanetti didn't do this as publiciity stunt but in Jackson's case jurors reached out and I think he believed he needed to share even if it doesn't amount to anything. The commonwealth has not been transparent and Jackson is showing what transparent is.
Not even 5 minutes and the book plugs begin. I hope they have all watched the entire trial so they can offer informed opinions, That would be a first for STS-having-an informed panel.
Nah - they absolutely did not watch the trial. I’m not sure about brother counsel watching the whole trial hit the others did not. So irritating. They should be more careful about spreading misinformation.
@@sybodson6929 I agree. Brother Counsel said he did watch from start.
@@sybodson6929brother council has an entire channel with recaps for each day. He did watch and is very impartial
Joel is a hack that panders and only cares about money
Denise youre sort of sad and pathetic. Find me a better panel. Begging.
I always feel that the corrupt Canton Crowd is lurking around these podcasts. Some of the comments are a little extreme. They’re still trying to direct the narrative & are desperate for Karen to be tried again.
JUDGE BEV IS AN ACCOMPLICE !,..................
? Should judge cannone be reported to the mass BBO for malpractice? She needs retraining…
Prior to choosing the alternates from the bucket the degense requested to view the slips and she denied that. Then the 2 jurors picked were the 2 that the reporters spoke of often as Not Guilty votes. The juror that was dismissed the day prior to closing was the 3rd juror who reporters felt was a not guilty vote. The issue was someone reported that a month prior this juror was overheard at a bar talking about the trial. She denies this. I learned through this trial that video feed is deleted every 30 days which leaves no proof.
Why would the judge refuse the defense the chance at looking at the bucket of names? This is suspect to me and it proved even more corruption.
The new lawyer filed the motion becuase jackson/yanetti may be witnesses in any litigation on this motion. As may the Judge.
Fabulous panel! - from a St. Louis Cardinals fan!
Going to try like heck to make your Chicago book signing next week, Joel. I own a few businesses and each day is very unpredictable. My birthday is the next day and I have to do extra work because I’m going out of town on the 17th. Hope to meet you, my friend. Unsurprisingly, another fantastic episode. Keep up the great work, buddy.
Make it happen Vince!
I can guarantee that I will do my best, my friend.
Brw, superchat Good Egg is correct and the law professor is wrong. I imagine it’s because she’s not familiar with the Tuey -R cases.
Under T-R, once the judge makes the specific finding that the jury is at an impasse after conducting “due and thorough deliberations”, she can only send them out ONCE to continue, UNLESS the jury consents to continuing.
Joel, brother counsel is spot on!! The 4th juror did have an affidavit submitted for motion that’s the only one that has submitted . Aunt Bev wanted to leave for her vacation!! Again please explain how this goes forward at with since it’s. a s_itshow
I believe that of the first 3 individuals who contacted the defense, 1 contacted Alan Jackson directly, and the other 2 informants contacted Mr. Yanetti.
It's disappointing and leaves your credibility in question when one of the first statements in the podcast is inaccurate. The motion is out there should you want to familiarize yourself with the facts.
The 4th contact, I believe, was another juror who contacted Alan Jackson directly.
The fourth juror said he/she would be happy to testify!
A wealth of knowledge right here! ❤
Again excellent panel 💕
Also, it’s been out the John O’keefe reported drug selling perhaps by Collin Albert. A police officer on 8/8/23, at a town meeting confirmed this. Indeed JO has reported drug dealing around the area of 34 view ( something) in other words Brian Alberts home like Collin both whom lived right near JO
Love ya STS!! Love ya Joel, COE and Miss Karm. However, I will always be Josh Riiter’s #1 Fangirl!! Looking handsome in baby blue..,
Judge Canone was appalling
Amaaazing panel. ❤
If this many academics and premium lawyers have trouble getting their point across, then you know you have problems as far as US, or the jury understanding the damn situation.
I love the Judge. He's so cute! And Anna. She's great!
Excellent podcast! How in the world could anybody misunderstand what Joel says? He is the best communicator !
Brother counsel, jurors are always instructed to send a note to the judge if they have any questions or misunderstanding or anything else. How much more can this be explained? Some of them even sound like they did not read the notes they sent to the judge.
Did you watch the trial? did you listen to the jury instructions.. extremely confusing.. then there was the issues of the boxes to check.. there was no NOT Guilty box. This is squarely fault of the judge..
@@georgewashington3555judge changed the form after Jackson threw a tantrum. The jury would have checked not guilty if they agreed.
@@sarasmilesco8551she did not change the form… specifically said there was no need to change the form, but that she would agree to add another ‘clarifying’ instruction - that is my recollection
@@ccbeaches8605 watch it again she added a not guilty line and even made sure it was ok w Jackson
No allan clearly brought the new attorney in because he and yannetti may end up being witness if they have an evidentiary hearing. Also call the judge as one nd bam shes out for the next trial.
Joel who are you trying to kid. Implying its the women in pink or TB that the jury feels intimidated by, they clearly said it was the presence of the Alberts that did. If I was a resident of that town and a jurior, so would I.
Someone else who didnt care for them being there was Johns father and they knew that but went anyway. He didnt because he couldnt stonach being near them. His words. 😊
Judge knew the count. She ran out of the court
They are saying there WAS a verdict on 2 of the charges; polling would have confirmed this or not! (To the female panelist's remark)
But judge Canoni though did not let anyone else to read the note. I think there is more to this.
Who could drive a car backwards 24 miles an hour for 60 ft who could do that and know for fact, Kat could never do that. Most people can’t it’s just common sense. It’s ridiculous.
Guy in yamaka: I guess everyone agreed that it was not intentional. The only thing they didn’t agree on was if it was intentional (at 14:09).
I’ve been subscribed to this channel for over a year I think. I’ve never asked that you look into a case but idk if you’re aware of the death of NOAH PRESSGROVE? It’s really affecting me bc my daughter is this age and he was well loved and his life and death seems to be in the hands of these kids and I really would appreciate you and Phil and Scott would disect this. Very much so. And please. Shine a light on this case. Bc it needs it. They need to know that we’re watching and they can’t sweep it under the rug.
She agreed to a plea on beginning with yinetti and changed her mind when jackson came in.
I thought they said a new lawyer was brought in so Mr. JACKSON could be a witness?
Whaaaat?!?!?!
It’s so weird or shady even that the judge picked the ex cop to be the full person. He’s the one who wrote those notes which said we are hung up on the charges with the plural S he never clarified the other verdict or anything, and she never asked I believe the fourth did tell someone that they told her the verdict were 12 to 0 and she would tell information from karen who has her right to know.
What happened to the 10-2 jury vote from the "trusted source Boston Globe?"
I believe there is a distinction that these were three separate charges. They were not murdered to or lesser. The jury would have to decide on each one of them.