How to Use a Winch, Snatch Block and Tree Save on the Trail | Black Op Series Winches
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this video Braden shows you how to properly use a snatch block, tree saver along with a 5000lbs black op series winch while out on the trail.
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00:00 Intro
01:01 Getting Set Up the Right Way
03:11 Winching In - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
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By looping the tree saver through itself, you're putting ALL the load on ONE line of the tree saver material. If you put your D-ring through BOTH ends of the tree saver, you're distributing the pull so that HALF of the force will go into each end, instead of ALL the force going in ONE end.
YOU PUT THE CLEVIS THRU BOTH ENDS OF THE TREE SAVER = STRAIGHTER PULL AND EQUAL STRESS AROUND THE TRUNK
thank you, i was wondering exactly this. Seems a cleaner setup but the video overall taught me a lot.
@@lincolnmicrophonellc same thoughts!
For everyone reading the main comment. Chokers like he did actually reduce the capacity around 30-40%. Running basket(described above) actually increases the strap capacity if more than 30 degrees. It can almost double it.
I was gonna say, basket that sling, way stronger than the choke.
I think he did a choker so it stays on the tree. How would you do that with a basket hitch? The strap looks strong enough to handle a choker hitch setup to pullout an ATV
Protip: when putting the pin in your shackles, screw them all the way till they stop, then back a half turn. Keeps them from binding up when you have to undo them.
For additional safety, its always good to throw a jacket or that Super ATV bag on top of and in the center of the winch line in case it snaps or something fails so it doesn’t come back at you or bystanders. It loses all it’s inertia and will drop harmlessly to the ground.
Excellent tip David, that makes sense. Thanks for sharing.
True statement.... If that was a steel cable. Synthetic rope does not store energy the same way a cable does.. Just my 2 cents.. Nice ride tho
On a steel cable absolutely yes. These synthetic ropes you don’t have to but still a good idea.
That’s another thing, I couldn’t get my woman to go for synthetic rope. I’ve never used it, yet I’m a believer. Why I didn’t kick in the extra for it I don’t know. Oops.
Doubled the ability of the winch while cutting the strength of the tree saver in half. Grabbing both eyelets gives almost double the strap strength.
20% reduction for the bite
Not really, whether you use one eyelet or two, the breaking strength of that strap is still the same. You're increasing the breaking strength of the eyelet only. How do you figure by grabbing both eyelets you increase the strength of anywhere along the length of that strap?
@@michaelhefford6420 it has been tested by many professionals. Something like 60% more strength pulling from both sides.
Good to know. Either way, that strap can handle this weight no issue. .
@@michaelhefford6420 choking any piece of rigging reduces the strength by over 50%...basket increases the single pull rating by %50..nice stuff btw
Thanks for being fast simple and demonstrate snatch block as force multiplier!! Excellent vid
Anybody else start itching while watching this guy kneeling down going through that bag in the middle of all that poison ivy?
I was about to say something about that ivy growing all over that tree and all around!
Yes.
I literally said out loud, "Dude get out of the poison ivy".
Hahahaha yes!
Thanks for sharing this info.
Thanks for the basics
Great video. Thanks.
I suspect that ATV doesn’t get stuck too often! 🤣
Awesome video thanks man
When used as shown with the snatch block around the tree and the winch rope coming back to the truck, the pulling force is doubled on the truck but the tension in the pulling rope is half since you have both ends coming back to the truck.
So if the winch and cable are rated for 6000 lbs, using a snatch block in this manner will increase the force to 12,000 lbs but the winch line still has only 6,000 lbs of tension, but there are 2 lines at 6,000 lbs X 2= 12,000 lbs..
Thanks for the info!
He really does have no idea
Awesome video
Thanks for the visit!
Right on brother thanks
Good stuff man
Thanks!
U R AWESOME Thank you for the video. Well made video!
Thanks for the feedback!
Thank you so much
When hitching the "tree saver" to itself you will half the strength of that strap
What would be the best alternative please?
@@Adhdad1 dont girth hitch it too itself. Instead there should be no hitch and the D ring or attachment point should be connected to the ends of whatever you have around the anchor point.
@@Chris-qf9qm cheers!
Not that it’s a huge issue with the weight of that ATV, but if you girth hitch your anchor you do reduce the strength of the strap (up to or around 50%). It’s not something to worry about too much if you’re just pulling for lack of adequate traction, but if there’s the potential to shock load it or there’s suction from mud involved you have the potential to break your tree saver doing that. Same concept as just wrapping the winch rope around tree and clipping it to itself.
Video clear instructions and to the point 🙌🏼🙌🏼🤙🏼❤️
Despite being wrong.
Nice video
Thanks for the support!
You should be as low on the trunk as possible. The tree is stronger there.
turn tight on your shackle not clevis, then quarter turn back so you can get it off after.
Nice video, I really appreciate The awesome tutorial on using a winch!! How’s the mechanical reliability of the Polaris? Do you use it lot in the mud does it ever break down is everything tough and rugged on it like a Honda? I just don’t know I’m really curious could you help me out. Thanks
Hey there Chuck! We're a big fan of Polaris Side by Sides and have always had great luck with them. We've had tons of different machines and built them and rode them in just about any terrains you can imagine. Reliability always goes hand in hand with good maintenance habits and good decision making when riding.
Thanks for tuning in, we appreciate the support!
Close enough and could be done differently, but it still got the job done.
That's not a clevis. That's called a shackle.
Call it what you like. It's a clevis. Same church. Same pew.
To be super technical, it's actually a screw pin anchor shackle.
Oh yeah, I have heard some call a snatch a shackle too, even referred to as an old ball and chain. Whatever you call it, just put your pin in, pull tight and have a good night!! 😆
wow your the only one i trust in this situation, all the other videos shows to put the tree saver around ONLY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TREE,, how stupid ,, they must of not taken physics in high school,, if the ground has the curve your cable will DRAG at the bottom,, anyways also i like how you looped the tree saver in thru the loop and hooked up the snatch roller thru one of the tree saver ends ,,, after 2 hrs of looking your the only smart one
Thanks
Happy to help!
I LIKE TO USE A TIRE STRAP WITH THE METAL ENDS, ALL ONE PIECE TO WRAP AROUND THE TREE.
Curious if you got a bad poison ivy rash after filming this? Sure looks like you're sitting right in the middle of it. Thanks for the tips.
Was looking for this comment 😂
Place the clevis through BOTH loops of the tree saver to equal load on both portions of the saver... not the way shown in the video.
Need something like that for stump pulling.
Lots!
thx
Never tighten that clevis bolt down even by hand, always loosen it a 1/4 to 1/2 turn. If you tighten it even snug when you put pressure on it from a heavy haul it can make it so tight you won't be able to loosen it.
Yea I figured that out the hard way. 😂
I always wonder that too. Cus having mines dangle on my bumper, sometimes it's hard to take off, even from hand tight install
Carry a wrench and you’ll be fine. Where does it say to turn a screw pin shackle 1/4 to 1/2 turn?
@@941haggisbasher it says it right on top of your comment 😂
Wait...shudnt vehicle be put to nuetral and engine running?
Does the tree get choked out that way by looping the trunk saver through itself?
yeah but they like it so it's all good
@@djsonicc consent is sexy
I just hook it up like the guy on Jurassic Park trying to tow that bus off the cliff
😂😂😂
Ive always called them shackles
Wel to do it that way you must have a very long wire though!
Is this kit available on your website?
Not killing trees keeps areas open. Always use a tree saver- it's called that for a reason!
First off you run your shackle bolt then you back it off of half a turn so it don't jam up on you and secondly a snatch block does not double the strength of the winch it actually cuts the load weight in half by splitting it between two points your inches is a 6,000 it's still going to be a 6000 you just cut the weight in half by Distributing to two different points does internet that's pretty good video
Thanks for the tips and feedback!
too many things wrong here. gtg
Great video! I hope you didn’t get poison ivy from the vine growing on that tree.
Great video! But from a crane operators perspective, it's a shackle, not a clevis and a block not a pulley. Just trying to help here. Doesn't make a difference but someone may laugh at you
1:1 ratio
NOT double pull cap
I admit that I'm new to winches. I was wondering about the snatchblock doubling the pulling power. Is the cable on a winch capable of handling double the rating as the winch itself? If I have a 3200 pound rated winch and I get into an extreme situation can I safely pull 4000-5000 pounds without compromising the winch rope or cable? Thanks
The strain on the cable doesn't increase. That setup doubles the force because now 2 cables are pulling each with 3200 lbs, giving 6400 lbs total. If he did another snatch block at the ATV and then back to the tree again it would be 3 cables pulling at 3200 lbs giving 9600 lbs, and so on. The limit is how much rope you have, how many pullies you have, etc. to be able to keep going back and forth.
Also the increase in total force comes from a decrease in speed. The winch runs the same speed, but if you just run 1 rope then winching 1 inch needs to move the ATV 1 inch. When you double it back then winching 1 inch moves the ATV 1/2 inch. Triple would be 1/3 inch, etc.
That’s the way it’s done! 👍👍👍
Should have backed the pin off a half turn or you going to play hell undoing it
travis kerns ; very true!
My winch is on it's way to me...... So, you prevented me from being guilty of everyone doing it wrong. LOL Thanks!
Glad we could help Chris! Enjoy your new winch, and give a shout if there's anything else we can help you with!
Only works if you have a big bumper with shackles
you can attach the other end to a tree. it doesnt have to lead back to the machine
I’m installing a 3000 lb winch om my girlfriends 2020 RZR trail. What weight, or how big should my ‘shackle’ be? It just seems like it’s bend the pin under extreme load.
I assume a big as I can as long as it fits? But a hardware store may have a visually looking large shackle, but made in China with a low load rating.
Hope that made sense? Thanks
A shackle is either rated, or it’s not. Letters and numbers will be raised on the side of the bow and the pin will be painted a different color and be slightly bigger diameter than the shackle body.
WLL3T (working load limit three ton) is a safety factor of 1/5 (usually) of it’s breaking strength. In this example would be 15 ton. Please don’t buy non rated shackles. If the screw pin and the body are the same color, don’t buy it.
@@ridermak4111 that's good information that I didn't know. Thanks.
As long as your shackle is rated to handle more weight than the RZR, And you have the bolt threaded correctly (hand tight, than back ½ turn), she'll be fine.
Thanks for the information guys. That is a lot of stress! When I was testing the winch it was like waiting for a bomb to go off! I can see a simple retrieval of a buddy going horribly wrong.
Thanks again
Probably a stupid question, but let’s say the load is cut in half or the winch is twice as strong. Is that to say a 12k winch could move 24k? And if so, is that acceptable or does it somehow risk overloading the winch (ie. Breaking the winch or the line)? I’m thinking based on how you described it, no. It’s just twice as efficient? TIA
Technically the winch could pull more that way, but you will risk breaking the rope.
Id like to add to the question. Like the guy above said, if I had a 12k winch and used some snatch blocks to double it, do I risk breaking the rope or cable since im doubling the 12k rating? As in is there now 24k load on the line with a snatch block? Or how exactly does that work???
It does put more stress on the line. It all depends on how stuck u r! I used a snatch block to get my dad’s tractor out yesterday with a mile marker sec8. He was VERY stuck and the winch stained hard even with the snatch block. The synthetic rope held fine.
@@josejr4482the line does not have 24k on it. Each side has 12k. The only thing under 24k of pressure is the tree, snatchblock, and vehicle doing the pulling if you go back to the vehicle. If you go back to a tree or another vehicle, then the vehicle will only have 12k also.
I find it funny that your winch looked used but the; tree saver, snatch block and clevis looked brand new.
Mudding with buddies. Dont need any trees
That's one hell of a rig but you shouldn't choke the tree out like that. And there's no need to do it that way. Just wrap the strap around the tree and connect up to both of the ends together.
Also the rating on that sling is considerably higher in a basket setup, instead of choked.
Why would you sling your tree saver around both trees? You'll damage the tree. What's the point of using a tree saver then?
Why not just use the strap that u choked around the tree just put the hook on that?
You can, but you won't have the mechanical advantage of the pulley. You will make the pull twice as fast, but your motor will work twice as hard.
You just cut that straps strength in half by looping like that
How did the winch cable not roll up in the same place on the winch?
The other end is not connected to the spool.
@@Pipizzakitchen I don’t under your answer. Looks to me like the cable would all stack up on one side of the spool if the cable isn’t being moved side to side. I guess there is a reason why it doesn’t but I don’t see it.
@@westtexasdave2140 ok, I see what you mean. The winch itself is mounted to the frame behind the sheet metal and has a moving guide that spools the cable. The black slot in the bumper area is called a fairlead. It's just a heavy plate that the cable runs through to prevent damage to the body or cable.
@@Pipizzakitchen most winches I’ve seen don’t have that.
Good thing it wasn't an actual truck/Jeep at the other end of that line. And he was nowhere near the tree's "trunk"
I thought a snatch block was my wife’s pajamas
How many mistakes did y'all find? LOL
A lot of mistakes
Enough to keep me watching for more mistakes
When he put the tree saver through itself I said Ooooo lol
When he stuck his face on the poison ivy.
That’s a bow shackle not a clevice hook..
You wrapped the sling wrong.
You can wrap as shown, or utilize the loops together instead of wrapping. There's a few ways to do it, but these seem to work best for us!
@@SuperATVMedia let me correct myself: wrapping the sling the way you did in the video is not the most efficient way, but not wrong. Anyway thanks for taking the time to actually make a video for us viewers to criticize when we actually do nothing to contribute.
Again, false information is given here... The installed pulley gives you a change in the direction of pull but by no way a mechanical advantage. If you want a 2:1 advantage the pulley has to move not the cable. With this rig, 1 foot goes in and 1 goes out, so it's 1:1.
As for your tree anchor, the webbing should go around the tree with the schackle going in both loops. The way it was set, the webbing is choking itself up to its full cut.
I'm glad somebody mentioned that. Good point out about using both loops and not choker mode.
This is what I was thinking too.
bro sitting in poison ivy?
Unfortunately, poison ivy is pretty thick and unavoidable around here!
so I wanna throw my 2 cents in here as well, With that set up you're not actually making the winch work any easier, if the pulley was attached to your UTV and the Winch was attached to the tree and you ran the set up, It would because you'd have to forces pulling the machine to the winch, in this case how you have it hooked up you still have only 1 force pulling you and that 1 force is after the pulley, Having it switched to the pulley on UTV would give you 2 forces. You'll have to watch this video to understand. What you're doing is what this guy does in demonstration 1, the way it should be done is demonstration 2, but can't do it without adding additional pulleys or reversing the pulley and winch. th-cam.com/video/r3Ru1zZjvug/w-d-xo.html
Him pulling the spring down with the other end being on the weight is the same set up you did in this video.
Don't pull from anywhere other than the base of the tree. Some trees will hold, but not a good habit to develop
Oh man, so many things wrong here.
Wow you are not the person to be teaching this somebody Gunnar get hurt following your advice
thats called tow belt...
🤦♂️ this is NOT the proper way to use a winch
My wench looks completely different than this one usually it's doing the dishes in the kitchen
That's not a safe way to use a tree saver strap! By looping one end inside the other you actually decrease the strength of the tree saver strap because essentially you are using only one end of the strap; thus, turning it into a weak link. It's the choking method and can be dangerous. Just connect the bow shackle on each end of the tree saver strap. You'll maximize the strength from both ends. This was a poor demonstration. Clearly this guy had no clue how to use a snatch block on a tree saver strap. There are plenty of videos on youtube on how to do this correctly.