Its almost 1AM in LA.many thanks for reviewing this shoe.we dont see many reviews on stability shoes..really like your reviews styles..you keep it simple . your review videos length is perfect..editing is good.your run videos are getting better and better, nice background music...best wishes for your training and marathon ...
Glad to hear you’re liking the Vongo. That’s a great creamsicle colorway. Also, enjoyed seeing how the 🌈 on your shirt almost lined up right underneath the 🌈 balloon 😄.
Hi Emily, thank you. That was very informative re stability shoes. I like the running footage, the vongo v5 are nice, ( colour suits you ) had to look up PF so I've learnt something new! Good review so yez I click like!
Love the shoe color scheme!!! I have learned breathability is very important, especially amid this Southern California heat wave. I live in L.A. County. I just gave my Skecher Max Road 4's to the Thrift store. Too hot! No mas! Meanwhile, Lasker my beloved cat says hi to the Rubester. Lasker has become part of my video series. What is PF?
Hello Lasker! It’s Plantar Fasciitis. Basically it’s inflammation of a thick band of tissue that connects the heel bone to the toes. I get a pain in my heel and sometimes in my arch
@@RunLikeHeller Yes, I had a case a few years ago, my midfoot was very painful. At the time I ran on a treadmill and I believe the rollers under the belt caused the condition.
I found this one to run just a bit narrow in the womens 10D so I ordered it in a mens 2E as Ive found the mens 2E toe box to fit just a bit better for my slightly wider foot. LOVE the bit of support in this one though without compromising on breathability or comfort.
@@kildpopper yes! I have some that I can wear a 10B, others a 10D then some I need a Mens 8.5 2E and I never know how its going to go until I try the individual shoes on and no 2 pair are EVER alike either, I find many times the identical shoe style & size will have differences or defects so I must try on ever single pair and run in them to know for sure.
Su N beat me to comment on the creamsicle color, which also came to mind with the launch color of the men’s Rebel2. Nice looking shoe there, though I’m a neutral runner. We can still admire, though!
Heller, your pronation on one foot is due to the instability of your hip. Try to strengthen and stretch that side of the hip & glute (glute max and mid). Once you done that, your pronation will be gone.
Would love to know how it compares to the Hoka Arahi 5 that you reviewed a few months ago. I like how you cover all aspects of a shoe when you review it. Thanks for another review of a stability shoe.
Thank you for watching! This would be a good comparison! Off the bat I think I can tell you that the foam is a little firmer, but the upper is more dialed in. Would need to run in the Arahi again to give you a better comparison
@@RunLikeHeller - I would love to hear what you think about the Arahi 5 now, since you are training for the Chicago marathon. I thought the 5mm drop would be a better shoe, but what do i know ?
I’d say the Vongo is a little firmer. The Glycerin GTS is a bit more forgiving and uses guide rails on each side of the shoe rather than medial posting
Thoughts on the Vongo vs the 860? They’re both stability oriented. I am hoping to grab the More v4 as well for just a max cushion standing/walking all day shoe - between the Vongo and 860, which one would compliment the More best? Thanks for your input!
Ruby is hanging in there! It’s hard to say. If you want something incredibly soft, I’d go with the More V3. It’s a much more plush ride. However, I’d say the Vongo is more versatile. It’s firmer, but I think I’d be able to get more use out of it for different kinds of runs. The More V3 is really just an easy day shoe for me
@@RunLikeHeller thanks so the more for let's say for running errands walking daily life vs vongo? Great to here ruby is better I was in NYC nb because I had an appointment near it they did not have my size it's odd did not see it on nb except black and purple I'm rotating my nb 990 and bondi thanks for your knowledge and help.
Hey heller. Are you still happy about these shoes? The run footage shows that do a good work stopping your pronation. I to pronate. And trying to recover from a calf injury. These could be a nice shoe to try out. Thanks
Heller you absolute legend, i come seeking advice. I am looking at something to replace 2 shoes, My Endorphin Shifts which have died/lost their comfort after 350km (220miles) and are like running on cardboard, and also My Endorphin Speeds, which as nice as they feel, i pronate too much in as i get to midfoot/forefoot area. Im 37, 83 kg (185lbs), and run between 8 - 20km (5 - 13miles) on my runs at around a 4:35 - 4:45 minute per km speed (7:25 - 7:40 min per mile). With my slight over pronation, ive been looking at the Vongo v5 and the More v3 reviews youve done and watched your running form/pronation yourself and they both seem to work for you. What pros and cons are there in comparing these 2 side by side? Could i get the More v3 at the 7:25 - 7:40 mile speed or would it be a slog, and whats the bounce/responsiveness/softness like on both? I love the rocker on the Shift and Speed so thats what drew me to the More and Vongo. I had been looking at the Nimbus Lite 2 but without the rocker, im not sure? I could potentially buy both the More and the Vongo but i thought id get your input first as your elite when it comes to this. Sorry for the novel. Peace ✌
Hey there! thanks for supporting the channel! The Vongo is a great option. it's going to be a bit firmer, maybe similar to the Shift with a tad more give. The only issue I had was that my foot went numb on a longer run (but I think that's a me problem, not a shoe problem). The More V3 is a great shoe for comfort but I think it's best used for easier runs. Not sure how well it would do at a 7:40 mile. If you're looking for something slightly softer, I may suggest a Hoka Rincon or Clifton. They're both somewhat softer and have rockers. I realize these are neutral, but they're on the more stable side of the spectrum. Lastly I may suggest the Hoka Bondi X. It's heavy on paper but is highly cushioned and has a carbon plate (feels very natural though) and a rocker tech as well. I just wore it in the Chicago marathon. Hope this helps!
@@RunLikeHeller not only is your quick reply appreciated but its also good info. You are a star! Ill have a look at the Hokas (all three) and let you know! Always happy to support a quality channel!
@@RunLikeHeller lol . I scrolled through your channel before I made the comment to see 👀😅if you had and I didn't see it lol . So which one do you like more ? The new balance or brooks ?
How different are these (in terms of weight and softness) from the 1080v11? Do you think it would make sense for a person to have both in their rotation, or are the shoes similar enough that you would only need one?
I think they’re meant for the same thing, but these are not as soft as the 1080. Not as firm as an 880, but definitely firmer than the way the 1080 feels
It just occurred to me that your PF issue is plantar fasciitis. You know that this is completely curable. I had it 12 years ago, really bad. I could barely walk in the morning. I knew half a dozen others that had previously had it. They sent me to a guy and none of us have had PF issues ever again. Is your PF plantar fasciitis?
Sorry I missed your reply. See if you can find a PT that practices “Active Release Therapy”. The guy I saw gave me a few stretches, some strength training exercises, had me wear a brace when I slept, and he performed some scare tissue relief treatments. I had PF really bad. It took five or six weeks of treatments, and then it was gone. That was 12 years ago and it has not returned. I have referred at least a half dozen people to my guy for PF. They have all thanked me and been healed just as I was. Good luck with your PF!!!
I really wanted to love the Vongo v5 but I don't. Long time Kayano and GT 2000 user. Wanted to switch things up a little, so bought these. I really don't like them. I've now done more than 50 miles in these and I continue to have pins and needles in my forefoot just about 1 mile into the run. I've loosened the laces to the max extent, and it still doesn't make a difference. Hate these shoes. Unfortunately, where I am, I can't return them. So will be tossing them out. What a waste of my money
@@RunLikeHeller wow, thanks for letting me know. Do you know what might be the cause for this sensation? Has never happened to me with any Asics shoes...
Hi, How does it compare with the NB Prism? for long runs @ easy pace? mainly in terms of cushion? I am facing PF for 3 months and there are some shoes that are very difficult to use due to the pain. Thanks
Hi there! I’d say this shoe is more substantial than the Prism (the original, not the new one coming out) and therefore I would prefer it for longer runs. It has more stability than the Prism and more cushioning.
How would this compare with the 860 v11 in terms of stability? I've been running in the asics gt 2000 since I pronate and I need the stability but I'm looking for something softer and more cushioned and I wanted to know if this has a good amount of stability compared to the more traditional stability shoes. Is it a max stability shoe as advertised or no ?
Have you tried the stability version of the Brooks Glycerin 19? I have the regular version and it’s very stable as well. Be warned if you try it on that it runs on the shorter side, so I had to go up 1/2 size for my slightly longer right foot. It’s my first Glycerin but all the reviews say it’s the best version of the line. It’s not super-soft in the mushy sense, though, so if you like the sinking-into-marshmallow kind of soft, you will probably not find it with the Glycerin. But I’m enjoying it on my long runs. I think the stability version is Glycerin 19 GTS, Martha
@@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 I tried it but it felt narrow on my foot and the rails felt weird and kind of uncomfortable for me thats why these seem so appealing to me because they're a bit wider and there's no rails or heavy plastics on them I just wonder if they're stable like some of the other more traditional stability shoes because I do need it and I'd they are stable then they'd be a perfect fit 👌
This shoe is more of a lighter stability shoe than the 860. It’s not as controlling to your stride, although I do think it’s pretty stable. I would personally reach for this shoe over the 860
Hi there, beforeI ask my question.I must say this..I noticed you always respond every comment on your videos,which is such kind gesture, thanks for doing it consistently. Here is my question,I notice you say in your videos that though you over pronate ,you dont advocate or use stability shoes since its tries to change the natural foot movement. I am a mild over pronator. Are stability shoes bad? What will happen if a mild over pronator or over pronator uses neutral shoes? Have you had any injuries because of neutral shoes? Why most shoes stores try to push stability shoes? Please shed some light.
Hi! Thank you so much for watching! No, stability shoes are not bad at all! I don’t dislike them, but sometimes they just end up causing ME more issues than I would like. It really depends on the runner. At the end of the day you need to feel comfortable. I haven’t had any serious injuries due to stability shoes but I have had some knee pain which I think was caused by a stability shoe down the line. I’m currently running in the New Balance Vongo V5 and it’s been a great stability shoe. I think stores push those shoes if they see any pronation in your stride, which is probably something a lot more people do than we realize!
Thank you for bringing that to my attention! I fixed the links in the description and here’s one you can use if you’d like: www.runningwarehouse.com/New_Balance_Fresh_Foam_Vongo_v5/descpage-NVNG205.html?from=heller
Its almost 1AM in LA.many thanks for reviewing this shoe.we dont see many reviews on stability shoes..really like your reviews styles..you keep it simple . your review videos length is perfect..editing is good.your run videos are getting better and better, nice background music...best wishes for your training and marathon ...
Thank you so much!
some things are very simple, I see a Run Like Heller video, I watch , I click Like. Ain't more simple than that😂
Thank you for watching!!
🤞🏼for the new shoes fixing the PF.
Solid review, great colour and Vongo is a fun word to say. Good luck with the training this week.
Thanks so much for watching!
OHHHHH...the colorway! It got me at...hello!
I looooove it
The 860 new balance is a great stability shoe!
Glad to hear you’re liking the Vongo. That’s a great creamsicle colorway. Also, enjoyed seeing how the 🌈 on your shirt almost lined up right underneath the 🌈 balloon 😄.
Hahah that was by accident but it worked out nicely!
Sharp eye, Su! Artistic eye, too, to note that thematic echo.
Nice, looking forward to the full review and longer term update on how this shoes works for you.
Thank you!
Hi Emily, thank you. That was very informative re stability shoes. I like the running footage, the vongo v5 are nice, ( colour suits you ) had to look up PF so I've learnt something new! Good review so yez I click like!
Thank you so much for watching! I need to be more specific about what PF is!
Love the shoe color scheme!!! I have learned breathability is very important, especially amid this Southern California heat wave. I live in L.A. County. I just gave my Skecher Max Road 4's to the Thrift store. Too hot! No mas! Meanwhile, Lasker my beloved cat says hi to the Rubester. Lasker has become part of my video series. What is PF?
Hello Lasker! It’s Plantar Fasciitis. Basically it’s inflammation of a thick band of tissue that connects the heel bone to the toes. I get a pain in my heel and sometimes in my arch
@@RunLikeHeller Yes, I had a case a few years ago, my midfoot was very painful. At the time I ran on a treadmill and I believe the rollers under the belt caused the condition.
Great first impressions! It looks like they fixed a lot of things I didn’t like about the older versions, I might have to give it another shot!
I kinda ate some of my words here after my feet went numb on my 10 Mile run this week, but such is life lol
@@RunLikeHeller that’s why there are both first impressions AND full reviews haha
I found this one to run just a bit narrow in the womens 10D so I ordered it in a mens 2E as Ive found the mens 2E toe box to fit just a bit better for my slightly wider foot. LOVE the bit of support in this one though without compromising on breathability or comfort.
I find that really annoying with new balance. They either fit me perfectly, or I have to order a half size up and in wide. It's weird.
@@kildpopper yes! I have some that I can wear a 10B, others a 10D then some I need a Mens 8.5 2E and I never know how its going to go until I try the individual shoes on and no 2 pair are EVER alike either, I find many times the identical shoe style & size will have differences or defects so I must try on ever single pair and run in them to know for sure.
So interesting to here about the sizing issue!!! I do agree though, I love how this shoe doesn’t cut corners for the stability runners!
Su N beat me to comment on the creamsicle color, which also came to mind with the launch color of the men’s Rebel2. Nice looking shoe there, though I’m a neutral runner. We can still admire, though!
I love the color too!
Heller, your pronation on one foot is due to the instability of your hip. Try to strengthen and stretch that side of the hip & glute (glute max and mid). Once you done that, your pronation will be gone.
Glute * Medius
Thank you! I will try this
Would love to know how it compares to the Hoka Arahi 5 that you reviewed a few months ago. I like how you cover all aspects of a shoe when you review it. Thanks for another review of a stability shoe.
Thank you for watching! This would be a good comparison! Off the bat I think I can tell you that the foam is a little firmer, but the upper is more dialed in. Would need to run in the Arahi again to give you a better comparison
@@RunLikeHeller - I would love to hear what you think about the Arahi 5 now, since you are training for the Chicago marathon. I thought the 5mm drop would be a better shoe, but what do i know ?
I think more runners need stability in their shoes in some form than they’d like to admit.
This shoe looks awesome.
It’s definitely true
Excellent review as always!
Thank you!
It’s raining here in Ireland. Are you surprised? Love you heller ❤️
Love ya too!
Thanks for a good video review.
I’d planned to buy new pair New Balance Vongo V5.
Thank you for watching!
Chicagos not even ready💪
🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
Very curious about this shoe. Just waiting for the release here in Canada to compare it to the More V3. Love the colour way.
Thank you for watching! It’s firmer than the more v3 but it’s still a fantastic shoe that I think is more versatile than the More
I really enjoy the NB Prism as a minimal stability shoe. It might work for you.
Yes! I reviewed that one. Great shoe. Excited to try v2
tnx
Orange you glad you tried this shoe? 😅 Nice review and also the feedback on the Invincibles. Very appreciated.
Thank you for watching!!
Hey Emily! How would you compare the Vongo to the Brooks Glycerin 19 GTS?
I’d say the Vongo is a little firmer. The Glycerin GTS is a bit more forgiving and uses guide rails on each side of the shoe rather than medial posting
Thoughts on the Vongo vs the 860? They’re both stability oriented. I am hoping to grab the More v4 as well for just a max cushion standing/walking all day shoe - between the Vongo and 860, which one would compliment the More best? Thanks for your input!
How would it compare to the more v3 and which one would you find better? Great review. How is ruby
Have the same question as well. More V3 or Vongo V5?
Ruby is hanging in there! It’s hard to say. If you want something incredibly soft, I’d go with the More V3. It’s a much more plush ride. However, I’d say the Vongo is more versatile. It’s firmer, but I think I’d be able to get more use out of it for different kinds of runs. The More V3 is really just an easy day shoe for me
@@RunLikeHeller thanks so the more for let's say for running errands walking daily life vs vongo? Great to here ruby is better I was in NYC nb because I had an appointment near it they did not have my size it's odd did not see it on nb except black and purple I'm rotating my nb 990 and bondi thanks for your knowledge and help.
Hey heller. Are you still happy about these shoes? The run footage shows that do a good work stopping your pronation. I to pronate. And trying to recover from a calf injury. These could be a nice shoe to try out. Thanks
I’m mostly happy with them, although I did have a bad experience in them during one of my longer runs. Still haven’t been able to really pin point why
Hi, is the NB Elite RC 2 still in your rotation for the marathon training ?
It definitely will be once I start doing some speed work
Great Video! Would you prefer these over the Rebel V2?
thank you for watching! they're very different, but for longer mileage i may prefer the Vongo.
Heller you absolute legend, i come seeking advice.
I am looking at something to replace 2 shoes, My Endorphin Shifts which have died/lost their comfort after 350km (220miles) and are like running on cardboard, and also My Endorphin Speeds, which as nice as they feel, i pronate too much in as i get to midfoot/forefoot area.
Im 37, 83 kg (185lbs), and run between 8 - 20km (5 - 13miles) on my runs at around a 4:35 - 4:45 minute per km speed (7:25 - 7:40 min per mile).
With my slight over pronation, ive been looking at the Vongo v5 and the More v3 reviews youve done and watched your running form/pronation yourself and they both seem to work for you. What pros and cons are there in comparing these 2 side by side? Could i get the More v3 at the 7:25 - 7:40 mile speed or would it be a slog, and whats the bounce/responsiveness/softness like on both?
I love the rocker on the Shift and Speed so thats what drew me to the More and Vongo. I had been looking at the Nimbus Lite 2 but without the rocker, im not sure?
I could potentially buy both the More and the Vongo but i thought id get your input first as your elite when it comes to this.
Sorry for the novel. Peace ✌
Hey there! thanks for supporting the channel! The Vongo is a great option. it's going to be a bit firmer, maybe similar to the Shift with a tad more give. The only issue I had was that my foot went numb on a longer run (but I think that's a me problem, not a shoe problem). The More V3 is a great shoe for comfort but I think it's best used for easier runs. Not sure how well it would do at a 7:40 mile. If you're looking for something slightly softer, I may suggest a Hoka Rincon or Clifton. They're both somewhat softer and have rockers. I realize these are neutral, but they're on the more stable side of the spectrum. Lastly I may suggest the Hoka Bondi X. It's heavy on paper but is highly cushioned and has a carbon plate (feels very natural though) and a rocker tech as well. I just wore it in the Chicago marathon. Hope this helps!
@@RunLikeHeller not only is your quick reply appreciated but its also good info. You are a star! Ill have a look at the Hokas (all three) and let you know!
Always happy to support a quality channel!
Have you tried the glycerin 19 gts?
I have! I have a video on the channel : th-cam.com/video/VOfzRrR7LAY/w-d-xo.html
@@RunLikeHeller lol . I scrolled through your channel before I made the comment to see 👀😅if you had and I didn't see it lol . So which one do you like more ? The new balance or brooks ?
@Juan Ruiz KermitTheRunner Ha-I just wrote that suggestion in a reply to someone above. I enjoy the regular Glycerin 19 as my long run shoe.
How different are these (in terms of weight and softness) from the 1080v11? Do you think it would make sense for a person to have both in their rotation, or are the shoes similar enough that you would only need one?
I think they’re meant for the same thing, but these are not as soft as the 1080. Not as firm as an 880, but definitely firmer than the way the 1080 feels
It just occurred to me that your PF issue is plantar fasciitis. You know that this is completely curable. I had it 12 years ago, really bad. I could barely walk in the morning. I knew half a dozen others that had previously had it. They sent me to a guy and none of us have had PF issues ever again. Is your PF plantar fasciitis?
It is! I’ve had it on and off for about 2 years
Sorry I missed your reply. See if you can find a PT that practices “Active Release Therapy”. The guy I saw gave me a few stretches, some strength training exercises, had me wear a brace when I slept, and he performed some scare tissue relief treatments. I had PF really bad. It took five or six weeks of treatments, and then it was gone. That was 12 years ago and it has not returned. I have referred at least a half dozen people to my guy for PF. They have all thanked me and been healed just as I was. Good luck with your PF!!!
I really wanted to love the Vongo v5 but I don't. Long time Kayano and GT 2000 user. Wanted to switch things up a little, so bought these. I really don't like them. I've now done more than 50 miles in these and I continue to have pins and needles in my forefoot just about 1 mile into the run. I've loosened the laces to the max extent, and it still doesn't make a difference. Hate these shoes. Unfortunately, where I am, I can't return them. So will be tossing them out. What a waste of my money
This actually happened to me after further use with the shoe. I had to stop wearing them
@@RunLikeHeller wow, thanks for letting me know. Do you know what might be the cause for this sensation? Has never happened to me with any Asics shoes...
Hi, How does it compare with the NB Prism? for long runs @ easy pace? mainly in terms of cushion? I am facing PF for 3 months and there are some shoes that are very difficult to use due to the pain. Thanks
Hi there! I’d say this shoe is more substantial than the Prism (the original, not the new one coming out) and therefore I would prefer it for longer runs. It has more stability than the Prism and more cushioning.
What would you say is the most cushioned stability shoe. I over pronate about the same amount as you thanks
Hmm I would check out this shoe, or the Hoka Arahi 5!
For a wide footer, will the US10 do or should I go US10.5?
I believe they carry these in wide but you may have to confirm. I would say size up if not
Hey sorry for asking but I hear you mention “PF” in a lot of your videos lately but not sure what that is. Can you possibly explain?
Plantar fasciitis
@@LYoung-et2sg Ah that was so obvious but for some reason I couldn’t think of it haha. Thank you!
Ah yes! I should be more clear. Thank you for bringing this up!
@@prod1gy305 it’s all good! 😊
How would this compare with the 860 v11 in terms of stability? I've been running in the asics gt 2000 since I pronate and I need the stability but I'm looking for something softer and more cushioned and I wanted to know if this has a good amount of stability compared to the more traditional stability shoes. Is it a max stability shoe as advertised or no ?
Have you tried the stability version of the Brooks Glycerin 19? I have the regular version and it’s very stable as well. Be warned if you try it on that it runs on the shorter side, so I had to go up 1/2 size for my slightly longer right foot. It’s my first Glycerin but all the reviews say it’s the best version of the line. It’s not super-soft in the mushy sense, though, so if you like the sinking-into-marshmallow kind of soft, you will probably not find it with the Glycerin. But I’m enjoying it on my long runs. I think the stability version is Glycerin 19 GTS, Martha
@@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 I tried it but it felt narrow on my foot and the rails felt weird and kind of uncomfortable for me thats why these seem so appealing to me because they're a bit wider and there's no rails or heavy plastics on them I just wonder if they're stable like some of the other more traditional stability shoes because I do need it and I'd they are stable then they'd be a perfect fit 👌
This shoe is more of a lighter stability shoe than the 860. It’s not as controlling to your stride, although I do think it’s pretty stable. I would personally reach for this shoe over the 860
Hi there, beforeI ask my question.I must say this..I noticed you always respond every comment on your videos,which is such kind gesture, thanks for doing it consistently. Here is my question,I notice you say in your videos that though you over pronate ,you dont advocate or use stability shoes since its tries to change the natural foot movement. I am a mild over pronator. Are stability shoes bad? What will happen if a mild over pronator or over pronator uses neutral shoes? Have you had any injuries because of neutral shoes? Why most shoes stores try to push stability shoes? Please shed some light.
Hi! Thank you so much for watching! No, stability shoes are not bad at all! I don’t dislike them, but sometimes they just end up causing ME more issues than I would like. It really depends on the runner. At the end of the day you need to feel comfortable. I haven’t had any serious injuries due to stability shoes but I have had some knee pain which I think was caused by a stability shoe down the line. I’m currently running in the New Balance Vongo V5 and it’s been a great stability shoe. I think stores push those shoes if they see any pronation in your stride, which is probably something a lot more people do than we realize!
Just an FYI the links don't work.
Thank you for bringing that to my attention! I fixed the links in the description and here’s one you can use if you’d like: www.runningwarehouse.com/New_Balance_Fresh_Foam_Vongo_v5/descpage-NVNG205.html?from=heller
Would you reach for these over a pair of Hoka Arahi 5s?
This would be a great comparison video actually
@@RunLikeHeller I'm about to replace my kayano lites.. The Arahi 5 are / were at the top of the list.. Hence the question 😁
Arahi 5 or fresh foam vongo v5?
Arahi