The pride these wonderful people take in their work is outstanding. They do not see it as a "job", like most of us do ours, not to be too dramatic, but this is their lives. Imagine a job that fulfils your soul every day, they are very lucky.
I thought this scene was almost the best in the series. All the people responsible for things taken for granted and finally being seen by the queen after numerous years of history. I think I liked the swan guy best.
Very good point: “People don’t want to come to a royal palace and get what they could have at home… When they come they want the magic, the mystery, the arcane and the symbolic, and the transcendent.”
Yes, yes, to all the realistic comments, but still I hope the Swan Keeper kept his job. The actor was amazing, the glow in his eyes, his silent reading of instructions. Lovely
In the 1950s, the Queen and phillip came to my city. My nan was only a little girl back then, she and her brother went to see her. My grand-uncle Billy put her on his shoulders and held her up I was told this story recently by my nan Prince Phillip chuckled and said Billy was a strong young lad, the queen was given the flowers from my great greatnothers garden by my nan She said thankyou with a warm smile, and what nan described as happy motherly eyes
1:55 is such a nice moment. The Queen character notices the dedication and passion that Swan Man has for his work, and appreciates and respects him for it. I think this would be a wonderful practice for the real life Royals to keep them humble and appreciative of the people who make their lifestyle possible. I believe the Monarchy has done more good than harm to Britain, particularly under the reign of Queen Elizabeth. I agree with the Queen character's conclusion in this clip- that the symbolism represented by those perfectly folded napkins and beautifully kept swans, is important to the psychological state of the British public. But I am also an Egalitarian and I believe the Royals should always be humble and appreciative! Sadly some real-life members of the family (I won't say who) let the deference and honorary titles go to their heads, and that can lead to disasterous consequences if left unchecked...
@ohana8535 every time I discuss this show, some condescending wise-cracker has to point out that the show is fictional 🙄 I know that, dear. That's why I said "The Queen character" and not "The Queen". I was acknowledging that the fictional character presented by the show was just that, a fictional character. As for what the Royals have done to benefit Britain- they pay more into the national budget than they take. They receive a Sovereign Grant which is paid for by the British Tax payer, a point of contention. But let's break down the numbers. For the year of 2022-2023, the Sovereign Grant was £86.3 million, or roughly £1.29 per person. That's £1.29 a year. Less than a Big Mac. They managed to generate an estimated £2.5 billion in tourism and merchandise sales in the same year. Not a bad bargain, I'd say. That is, if you don't count the non-profit orientated benefits of the Royal family, including the advocacy Work they do in other countries on behalf of Britain, charitable work, and the conservation of British history and culture that they directly contribute to. Like I said, I'm an Egalitarian, and a Left-leaning one to boot. I do not believe that someone should have special privileges because of who their parents are. I would NOT be saying these things if the evidence didn't clearly show that the Royal Family is good for Britain.
I am in agreement with you. Sometimes people ridicule things they don't understand, not ever thinking the amount of love and passion that went into it.
I was in London in 2002. Walking past Buckingham Palace we came around the corner, and I spotted a Rolls Royce with a crest on the roof and a policeman standing next to it. I said to my friend. "That's a royal car!" We approached the officer and I asked if it was the Queen's. He said, "Yes, she's opening the new Queen's Gallery and will be leaving soon." Of course we had to wait. Little by little, the crowd grew and the barricades went up but we had a front row position. Eventually the Queen came out glowing in pink and we along with most of the crowd spontaneously burst into applause. HM waved, stepped into the car, and drove off. Prince Charles followed shortly thereafter. I said to my friend, "Why are we applauding?" She said, "I'm not sure, but I can't stop." Watching this clip I realized we were applauding transcendence.
Speaking as a lifelong military historian... "And those who teach history are doomed to watch others repeat it despite every lesson, every warning, and all good sense."
Some people are more than happy to learn from history its atrocities , and replicate it. The hopes is they learn that humans can be cruel and learn to be better. But that isn't always the case
For those unaware Lord High Admiral of the Wash does not mean some naval office handles the royal household's laundry. The Wash in this context is the largest natural bay in England on the North Norfolk coast, the Lord High Admiral is a nobleman who's family have kept up the defense of the bay since Norman times, nearly a thousand year. The King's/Queen's Guide to the Sands is in charge of mapping, maintaining and guiding people along a navigable path across the dangerously unpredictable Morecombe Bay in the Duchy of Lancaster. The Yeoman Bed Hanger is a rank within the Yeomen of the Guard, the oldest of the three units within the Sovereign's Bodyguard, formed in 1485. They make sure the royal bedchambers are free of any dangers before the sovereign turns in for the night.
its impressive the pride these ppl have especially for the history of their roles many are holding positions that have existed longer then the form of the English language we use now
She was very nasty in her role in Harry Potter; she played a psychopath teacher at Hogwarts who got off on tourting the students. Horrible character. What is sad, is that Staunton seemed to enjoy it. :(
@emmapasqule2432 Provincial, dense and cruel take. You do realize the implication - that great acting is impossible. Without knowing Staunton, you're throwing her beneath a bus that only Karens drive.
@@emmapasqule2432oh for goodness sake, she was ACTING a role, just as she was in these scenes. What is wrong with people, including you, when they seem incapable of differentiating between that and others that she had had?! She also played Maud Bagshaw in two Downton films and is married in reality to Jim Carter who plays Mr Carson, but that doesn’t make that world any more real either!
Serious and meaningful work? Just because they take themselves seriously doesn't mean their work is serious, and it's not even close to meaningful. Giant waste of taxpayer money.
@@Ravengagepvl100000000%, taking pride on ones work doesn’t make it serious or meaningful work. I don’t mean to trivialize all of those people but all this did was show how ludicrously excessive and pretentious the monarchy is!
@@10293 Might I humbly ask, who are you to decide what constitutes serious or meaningful work on the behalf of all those who loyally and faithfully serve the monarchy?
Excellent acting from both Jonthon Pryce and Imelda Staunton . By the way, Some of these job titles haven't been used in 200 years . The Queens herb strewer is the prime example. It did exist, but it hasn't been used recently (edited for spelling as I'm dyslexic)
I love fellow tradesman and serving a king or queen is the top of the top. May they be forgotten but never lost for the tradition and skill of their arts.
The main reasons we Americans love the British monarchy (at least, those who do) is the tradition and the grandeur. Nobody, and I mean nobody, does pomp and circumstance like the British, and we love it. We don't want it here, nor do we want British rule, but we do love to watch it and know that it's there. The monarchy provides a sense of permanence, that there is something rare and beautiful in the world to admire.
We can also appreciate the stability of someone like Queen Elizabeth II, in addition to the permanence. We never had to worry about her doing something unhinged, which is more than can be said for most other heads of state.
This reminds me of David Cannadine's contribution to the multi-author volume **The Invention of Tradition**, edited by Eric Hobsbawm and Terence Ranger. In his piece, Cannadine explains how much of the tradition and grandeur of the British monarchy, like a lot of other monarchies both surviving and defunct, was actually crafted in the late 19th century. What helped accrue this image of timeless pomp was conscious anacronism. The Royal Carriage only becomes magical when no one else rides in carriages anymore, for example. Then, throughout the 20th century, the British monarchy gained an even greater aura of timelessness and tradition as most of its Continental rivals disappeared after the First and Second World Wars
Man, Johnathan Pryce's performance is just beautiful. "Parliment is warning the monarch "Never forget, we're in charge." Is it just me who was reminded of his performance as Elliot Carver.
Now in real life, Charles III fired or retired hundreds of people. Elizabeth II kept the traditions,not just for tradition,but because she knew the love these people had for their work
It is fortunate that the UK and Commonwealth got a lesson in the value of the traditions of the Crown before HM Elizabeth II passed away. Well, perhaps not 'fortunate'. The writers knew exactly what they were doing and HM was 90 some-odd years old when they wrote it. Nevertheless a gentle reminder of just what the British Crown means in the 21st Century was something everyone [including my fellow Americans] needed.
it means 510 million a year spent on a bunch of people who only have their position due to their birth that we could spend on literally anything else more useful
@@lordpelagius5078 Well, you could always move to Canada.... Don't mistake me here... I have a great deal of respect for the UK but I realize that, while the UK has a huge diplomatic presence in the world, it's GDP isn't anything like the scale of the US'. 510 mil is a lot of money to the UK's economy. But I will say that, as a foreigner, it seems to me that the Royal Family wields a heck of a lot of 'soft power' on the world stage and that power is at least 1/3 of the UK's diplomatic presence. Losing the influence of the Saxe-Gotha Coburgs/Mountbattens/Windsors would reduce the UK's status in the world to that of Italy. My point here is that there is real-world value in the traditions the Royals represent.
@@lordpelagius5078 your response shows that you do not consider the value of a world stage monarchy that affords an extra avenue of world diplomacy and a soft power extension. Really in the scheme of things 510 million is nothing but a drop in the bucket. A constitutional monarchy is one of the most stable of governments as is seen in Europe. The Commonwealth was a voluntary join organisation just look at the size of it.
@@CH-qw8gb But let's be 100% fair about this... I don't know where you're from CH, but I'm an American. It's not my tax dollars that are paying for the Royal Family. I may disagree with LP's opinion, but I respect the fact that he's got a skin in the game that I don't have.
Fantastic scene, not watched much of The Crown till recently, this scene is beautiful. I worked for HRH Philip DofE. He was fantastic to work for. Jonathan plays him better than anyone. People really get him wrong alot. I am 66 and it was lifetime ago. But I can tell you he was kind, blunt, hilariously funny and understood the monarch better than some of the family because a) he knew history better than some b) he spent years looking through old documents and trawling the libraries and archives c) he knew about life outside the bubble that is monarchy,.that was because he brought himself up. Yes he lived with aristocratic families, of course he did,.he was a Prince of Greece, but they were never a 'home', never loving family. They were families who 'put him up'. He never had a family till he joined the Royal Navy. That was his family. He lived his mother dearly, but of course saw little of wonderful wonderful woman. He was a great employer. Very dry and witty. Very strict .you work hard you get the praise you deserve, lazy...you're out. But.... He wasn't averse to a bit of banter and a laugh, even with a lowly groom. 😂😂😊 Charles is a thoroughly decent chap, he's kind and caring but it seems these days he can't do right for wrong. The Markle person has damaged the house irreparably, her lies ..and they are lies have done so damage. Breaks my heart. Before trolls get to work atme.. Don't bother. That's the one thing the Duke and I have in common Skin - Rhinocerous!😂😂😂
Thank you for sharing your particular insight into HRH. (That is the correct style, I hope?). Even as Americans, my family found him just as you describe from what little we were allowed to see. It's always wonderful to see consistency in people one admires.
Did anyone notice the ages of many of these royal employees? Many were up in age not far from retirement. With all the money the royal family have they could very easily let them work until retirement and then either eliminate or merge/consolidate their responsibilities. If done that way, then there is no disturbance to employee and no story worth reporting to the public. Whats the cost: early retirement and severance, a decade of wages until the person reaches retirement age, etc. They have the money for a slow and steady approach.
I had the GREAT honour of being appointed by Her Late Majesty Queen Elizabeth ii. As:- Her Majesty's Court letter writer at large Wales. My post was confirmed by H.M. The King on his succession. The 'modern' job title is;- King's scribe.
Watching the 2nd part of this, I felt heavily reminded by the aims of especially Philip in the earlier seasons (aka his younger years), trying a lot of the same ideas, although from a different starting position. Aka bunch of newer, truly archaic stuff was still there
This really reminds me of GK Chesterton's "Fence" thought experiment , illustrating the interplay of Tradition and the precautionary principle. If you come across an ancient fence across the land, which seems so old , that you think it is useless, before you even think of tearing it down in the name of Progress, realize that whomever made it, was probably a sane and moral person, who had a damn good reason which made sense to them for them to build this fence in the first place. So, before we tear it down, it behooves us to deeply understand what they were trying to do when they built this fence, to see if that need still exists, and if it does, make damn sure whatever we replace that fence with does the same job at least as well, or we are doing a great disservice to society .Old "outdated" traditions serve functions we often dont ever recognize , especially because we have never lived in world far removed from their silent watchful existence.
For the British, I think these customs and roles make a lot of sense. Combining the practical with the symbolic and historical. In America, these would all be unremarkable civil servants or contractors. We decided we wanted to become a nation of where "all men were created equal." That brings with it the idea that it's just a job, you do it, you get paid, and you go home at the end of the day. I like my system most days, but the British system certainly has merit in its own way.
I liked this segment, it shows that these aren't just empty titles or silly roles. Each of these people in their own right are effectively historians and curators. People with skills and knowledge preserved for generations that are part of Britain's history. The monarchy is the preservation of history and ancient traditions. Sure the UK has museums and such, but those exist purely at the pleasure of the government and could be lost if the PM or parliament does not see it to their immediate benefit to preserve them, not to mention much of the contents of the British museum is basically looted treasures from the British Empire's conquests and could very well be returned at some point.
Even the minor and seemingly insignificant can be vastly important and beautiful. She grasped this. She grasped how napkins, swans, and diningware weren't someone's job; they were someone's dignity and purpose.
I think it was HM King George V who said that Monarchy is magic, and if you let light into that magic (by 'light' he was referring to the media which was starting its assault on the institution in the 1920s) then there is no magic, and if there is no magic, then there is no Monarchy. King George was a bit of a stick-in-the-mud and inflexible (a man of his time) but he did have a point. I believe that Ancient and Modern can exist side by side and the reign of His Majesty King Charles III is exemplifying this. Their Majesties The King and Queen, aided by the Wales's, the Edinburgh's and The Princess Royal have brought all the traditional elements of Monarchy into the new reign whilst at the same time introducing an openness, a freshness and an informality that the nation and world beyond is really enjoying. When the New Zealand Women's Rugby team asked the King for a hug, what happened? They ALL got a hug and His Majesty clearly enjoyed it as much as they did. Did it damage the Monarchy or the King. Unequivocally not!
@iwasglad122 😊 I knew it because I've just been reading Craig Brown's book on the queen, which i highly recommend if you haven't read it yet. He also did a great one on Princess Margaret. I'm not a monarchist by ANY stretch but their lives and situation are fascinating and weird enough to take interest in. You can apply so many disciplines too- history, sociology, psychology philosophy, theology, criminology. I have sympathy for monarchs ultimately. No palace of diamond is really worth the pressure, loss of privacy, and interminable boredom of having to meet utter strangers all the time and try to pretend you can relate or are interested in their mundane lives. The only point of envy for me is the food. They must eat the BEST food cooked by great chefs. That's my idea of luxury.
I think you see here that these people actually do important jobs, the title might sound a little silly but they do jobs that are worth doing. With the Swan guy for example he watches over all the populations of Swan's on royal properties in the country and that is a job that needs to be done.
This reminds me of that scene from Marco Polo where Hundred Eyes explains the concept of "Kung Fu". Meaning supreme skill from hard work. Practice, preparation, endless repetition to take pride into a mundane task. Like folding a napkin.
Its intresting that charles failes to see the point twice, the king/queen can muster as much military might as they want, but at the end of the day, its the elected members of parliment ( the representatives of the people) that govern over the real power, if thats not hummbeling to Monarch what is.
These are all people who can put themselves to the side entirely to ensure the succes of others. These are selfless persons, and some of the rarest amongst us.
It's difficult for me, an American, as well. I imagine for my fellow Americans to have much sympathy, let alone empathy for United Kingdom's Sovereign and their immediate family members. Nevertheless, I have to admit that it must be extraordinary difficult to navigate through certain situations where they just can't win but are not of their making .
If you ever wonder whether sometimes a little 'over the top' ceremony and scene setting is important to ordinary everyday people, remember those football teams (I think it was) who went to the White House and got served a McDonalds' meal; imagine what a let down that must have been to those who were invited on what should have been one of the most memorable days of their lives. How would you have felt ? Yes, I know that objectively it's stupid, but a lot of people appreciate it.
What a leftist cope. This entire part of the show turned into royalty meeting me the commoners where they were at and yet somehow you go right back to sneering when McDonald’s, common food, is served to a team of common men. Get over yourself
My favorite bit about monarchies came from Bronn in GoT :D "Who were your ancestors? The ones who made your family rich? Fancy lads in silk? They were fucking cutthroats. That's how all the great houses started, isn't it? With a hard bastard who was good at killing people. Kill a few hundred people, they make you a lord. Kill a few thousand, they make you king. And then all your cocksucking grandsons can ruin the family with their cocksucking ways." Kinda funny to think these people are still worshipped nowadays.
I always saw monarchy and feudalism in Europe as a sacralized and institutionalized protection racket. "Give me your land and 10% of your harvest each year, and I may not hurt you and will even protect you from other mobsters, err... aristocrats like me."
one of my favorite parts and why I agree with the monarchy. Tradition! A country needs it to keep it proud and have a link to it's history and dare I say, soul.
Dowager Countess: You Americans obviously don't understand the importance of tradition. American: Yes we do. We just don't give it power over us. Europe just entered a World War based on tradition. You might consider letting go of its hand.
Fascinating how they don't mention that the Palace are allowed to pay vast numbers of their staff below minimum wage, meaning you can work in McDonald's or stack shelves in a warehouse and still be paid more than those working for the royal family.
No they don't mention how each successive parliament pays the salaries and what those salaries are. Nor do they mention the perks. It's a script and editing thing. Also, the Family has no say in what the pay rates are.
@@samuelfritz2446 yeah it’s when you pretend a monarch has no money or power but in reality they do such as owning freeholds on schools and hospitals and charging them rent.
Please tell me the people of the UK don't pay for all of this. If the Queen didn't pay for all of this (not with taxpayer money), this is the definition of unnecessary spending.
I know three people who worked in the Royal Household, and believe me seeing and talking to the Queen regardless of role you played it the job you did was a very regular occurrence, but that wouldn't of made such good television for the producers of The Queen.
And what about all the hard work people did for "Lady" Diana? From what I read recently on another video Diana fired most of her staff and the rest resigned. She was very unhappy when the media reported it. How was it possible for her to fire two members of Charles's staff??? Diana's public persona was very different from the person we watched waving to us so sweetly from the palace balcony or smiling at the crowds on her walk about or warmly hugging sick children or ... 😢😢
Someone has to do most, if not all, of those jobs. In most countries, nobody cares about them but the British do it in a fancy way so it attracts attention
@@ilikemandalorians9861 Oh please. That money could go towards education of people could have real jobs, instead of being a police officer over glass, and folding napkins.
1,29 is what the British per person pay for the monarchy So on a personal level barely anything all of the jobs shown in this video are much more important than you might at first think And if you Wanne shut down thing's Beaceuse they cost money then we should shut down concerts football games and other major events to because you know they cost a lot of money to hold including tax payer money
@@georgewashington4394 - educate on how the British people are burdened by undeserving outdated inbreeds ? Please spare us your sentiments. Many are starving
The pride these wonderful people take in their work is outstanding. They do not see it as a "job", like most of us do ours, not to be too dramatic, but this is their lives. Imagine a job that fulfils your soul every day, they are very lucky.
it’s bloody tv show they ain’t real
@@trenttheodore3710. I take it that he meant the portrayal of the cast…..
Of course they take pride in it. Only a select few will do what they do. 🎉
@@trenttheodore3710There have been truthful moments through out it.
A bloody Brit( you) should know that.
It’s a job 🙄
You’re the type who still believes in the divine right of kings or some other nonsense.
I thought this scene was almost the best in the series. All the people responsible for things taken for granted and finally being seen by the queen after numerous years of history. I think I liked the swan guy best.
The guy talking about the napkins did it for me.
Very good point:
“People don’t want to come to a royal palace and get what they could have at home… When they come they want the magic, the mystery, the arcane and the symbolic, and the transcendent.”
Imelda did a bloody good job portraying the Queen. But then, everything she does is incredible.
Yes, yes, to all the realistic comments, but still I hope the Swan Keeper kept his job. The actor was amazing, the glow in his eyes, his silent reading of instructions. Lovely
In the 1950s, the Queen and phillip came to my city. My nan was only a little girl back then, she and her brother went to see her. My grand-uncle Billy put her on his shoulders and held her up
I was told this story recently by my nan
Prince Phillip chuckled and said Billy was a strong young lad, the queen was given the flowers from my great greatnothers garden by my nan
She said thankyou with a warm smile, and what nan described as happy motherly eyes
The Queen on Billy's shoulders? I think that would have made the papers!
“Few have truly mastered…the Dutch bonnet napkin fold”
I thought he said the Dutch bunny napkin fold. Dutch bonnet makes way more sense.
NOw I have a goal for Christmas dinner.
@@candicabaniss2560 Best wishes!🤣
Dropped that like some shit from a manga panel
The Queen very famously said she didn't have servants, she had staff.
1:55 is such a nice moment. The Queen character notices the dedication and passion that Swan Man has for his work, and appreciates and respects him for it. I think this would be a wonderful practice for the real life Royals to keep them humble and appreciative of the people who make their lifestyle possible. I believe the Monarchy has done more good than harm to Britain, particularly under the reign of Queen Elizabeth. I agree with the Queen character's conclusion in this clip- that the symbolism represented by those perfectly folded napkins and beautifully kept swans, is important to the psychological state of the British public. But I am also an Egalitarian and I believe the Royals should always be humble and appreciative! Sadly some real-life members of the family (I won't say who) let the deference and honorary titles go to their heads, and that can lead to disasterous consequences if left unchecked...
You do realize that those were actors, working from a script, right? What good have they done exactly?
@ohana8535 every time I discuss this show, some condescending wise-cracker has to point out that the show is fictional 🙄 I know that, dear. That's why I said "The Queen character" and not "The Queen". I was acknowledging that the fictional character presented by the show was just that, a fictional character.
As for what the Royals have done to benefit Britain- they pay more into the national budget than they take. They receive a Sovereign Grant which is paid for by the British Tax payer, a point of contention. But let's break down the numbers. For the year of 2022-2023, the Sovereign Grant was £86.3 million, or roughly £1.29 per person. That's £1.29 a year. Less than a Big Mac. They managed to generate an estimated £2.5 billion in tourism and merchandise sales in the same year. Not a bad bargain, I'd say. That is, if you don't count the non-profit orientated benefits of the Royal family, including the advocacy Work they do in other countries on behalf of Britain, charitable work, and the conservation of British history and culture that they directly contribute to. Like I said, I'm an Egalitarian, and a Left-leaning one to boot. I do not believe that someone should have special privileges because of who their parents are. I would NOT be saying these things if the evidence didn't clearly show that the Royal Family is good for Britain.
I am in agreement with you. Sometimes people ridicule things they don't understand, not ever thinking the amount of love and passion that went into it.
@@bananamanchester4156 Sure sparky. You support inequality and make up fictional excuses for it. Got it.
@@ohana8535 I spit straight facts bucko, ain't my fault that you're either incapable of understanding them, or unwilling to accept them 😉
I was in London in 2002. Walking past Buckingham Palace we came around the corner, and I spotted a Rolls Royce with a crest on the roof and a policeman standing next to it. I said to my friend. "That's a royal car!" We approached the officer and I asked if it was the Queen's. He said, "Yes, she's opening the new Queen's Gallery and will be leaving soon." Of course we had to wait. Little by little, the crowd grew and the barricades went up but we had a front row position. Eventually the Queen came out glowing in pink and we along with most of the crowd spontaneously burst into applause. HM waved, stepped into the car, and drove off. Prince Charles followed shortly thereafter. I said to my friend, "Why are we applauding?" She said, "I'm not sure, but I can't stop." Watching this clip I realized we were applauding transcendence.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed / destined to repeat it
Speaking as a lifelong military historian...
"And those who teach history are doomed to watch others repeat it despite every lesson, every warning, and all good sense."
Its being repeated as we speak.
@@KNByam Yes especially from across the pond.
History doesn't repeat its self. But it does rhyme.
Some people are more than happy to learn from history its atrocities , and replicate it. The hopes is they learn that humans can be cruel and learn to be better. But that isn't always the case
For those unaware Lord High Admiral of the Wash does not mean some naval office handles the royal household's laundry. The Wash in this context is the largest natural bay in England on the North Norfolk coast, the Lord High Admiral is a nobleman who's family have kept up the defense of the bay since Norman times, nearly a thousand year.
The King's/Queen's Guide to the Sands is in charge of mapping, maintaining and guiding people along a navigable path across the dangerously unpredictable Morecombe Bay in the Duchy of Lancaster.
The Yeoman Bed Hanger is a rank within the Yeomen of the Guard, the oldest of the three units within the Sovereign's Bodyguard, formed in 1485. They make sure the royal bedchambers are free of any dangers before the sovereign turns in for the night.
its impressive the pride these ppl have especially for the history of their roles many are holding positions that have existed longer then the form of the English language we use now
Staunton is Outstanding in everything she does. This was no exception.
She was very nasty in her role in Harry Potter; she played a psychopath teacher at Hogwarts who got off on tourting the students. Horrible character. What is sad, is that Staunton seemed to enjoy it. :(
@emmapasqule2432
Provincial, dense and cruel take.
You do realize the implication - that great acting is impossible.
Without knowing Staunton, you're throwing her beneath a bus that only Karens drive.
@@emmapasqule2432oh for goodness sake, she was ACTING a role, just as she was in these scenes. What is wrong with people, including you, when they seem incapable of differentiating between that and others that she had had?! She also played Maud Bagshaw in two Downton films and is married in reality to Jim Carter who plays Mr Carson, but that doesn’t make that world any more real either!
I only wish Geoffrey Palmer had been a character in The Crown....His DeadPan delivery wouldve undoubtedly been Absolutely Hysterical!
Romantic and poetic names that may sound silly but deep down they are hard workers who actually do serious and meaningful work.
Serious and meaningful work? Just because they take themselves seriously doesn't mean their work is serious, and it's not even close to meaningful. Giant waste of taxpayer money.
@@Ravengagepvl100000000%, taking pride on ones work doesn’t make it serious or meaningful work. I don’t mean to trivialize all of those people but all this did was show how ludicrously excessive and pretentious the monarchy is!
@@10293 Might I humbly ask, who are you to decide what constitutes serious or meaningful work on the behalf of all those who loyally and faithfully serve the monarchy?
Excellent acting from both Jonthon Pryce and Imelda Staunton .
By the way, Some of these job titles haven't been used in 200 years . The Queens herb strewer is the prime example. It did exist, but it hasn't been used recently (edited for spelling as I'm dyslexic)
I love fellow tradesman and serving a king or queen is the top of the top. May they be forgotten but never lost for the tradition and skill of their arts.
I looked it up. The Lord High Admiral of the Wash is not about laundry as I first thought.
The main reasons we Americans love the British monarchy (at least, those who do) is the tradition and the grandeur. Nobody, and I mean nobody, does pomp and circumstance like the British, and we love it. We don't want it here, nor do we want British rule, but we do love to watch it and know that it's there. The monarchy provides a sense of permanence, that there is something rare and beautiful in the world to admire.
I think right now a bit of British rule is what you need, it's about time we took back the Colonies, they obviously can't be trusted.
We can also appreciate the stability of someone like Queen Elizabeth II, in addition to the permanence. We never had to worry about her doing something unhinged, which is more than can be said for most other heads of state.
Speak for yourself! It’s an abomination !
This reminds me of David Cannadine's contribution to the multi-author volume **The Invention of Tradition**, edited by Eric Hobsbawm and Terence Ranger. In his piece, Cannadine explains how much of the tradition and grandeur of the British monarchy, like a lot of other monarchies both surviving and defunct, was actually crafted in the late 19th century. What helped accrue this image of timeless pomp was conscious anacronism. The Royal Carriage only becomes magical when no one else rides in carriages anymore, for example. Then, throughout the 20th century, the British monarchy gained an even greater aura of timelessness and tradition as most of its Continental rivals disappeared after the First and Second World Wars
@@jblyon2which is more than what can be said for numerous kings and queens in the past.
I never fancied this series but now to see 3 of my favourite actors. Imelda Staunton, Jonathon Pryce and Dominic West
The Swan is the heaviest bird flying.
Man, Johnathan Pryce's performance is just beautiful. "Parliment is warning the monarch "Never forget, we're in charge." Is it just me who was reminded of his performance as Elliot Carver.
He forgot to give the people what they want
I really enjoyed this segment. I found it enlightening & poignant. And most likely educational to many.
God bless Queen Elizabeth II.
Now in real life, Charles III fired or retired hundreds of people. Elizabeth II kept the traditions,not just for tradition,but because she knew the love these people had for their work
who did he fire?
It is fortunate that the UK and Commonwealth got a lesson in the value of the traditions of the Crown before HM Elizabeth II passed away.
Well, perhaps not 'fortunate'. The writers knew exactly what they were doing and HM was 90 some-odd years old when they wrote it. Nevertheless a gentle reminder of just what the British Crown means in the 21st Century was something everyone [including my fellow Americans] needed.
And in 60 years they wont know how to read the original constitution because noone reads cursive anymore since it’s not taught!
it means 510 million a year spent on a bunch of people who only have their position due to their birth that we could spend on literally anything else more useful
@@lordpelagius5078 Well, you could always move to Canada....
Don't mistake me here... I have a great deal of respect for the UK but I realize that, while the UK has a huge diplomatic presence in the world, it's GDP isn't anything like the scale of the US'. 510 mil is a lot of money to the UK's economy.
But I will say that, as a foreigner, it seems to me that the Royal Family wields a heck of a lot of 'soft power' on the world stage and that power is at least 1/3 of the UK's diplomatic presence. Losing the influence of the Saxe-Gotha Coburgs/Mountbattens/Windsors would reduce the UK's status in the world to that of Italy.
My point here is that there is real-world value in the traditions the Royals represent.
@@lordpelagius5078 your response shows that you do not consider the value of a world stage monarchy that affords an extra avenue of world diplomacy and a soft power extension. Really in the scheme of things 510 million is nothing but a drop in the bucket. A constitutional monarchy is one of the most stable of governments as is seen in Europe. The Commonwealth was a voluntary join organisation just look at the size of it.
@@CH-qw8gb But let's be 100% fair about this... I don't know where you're from CH, but I'm an American. It's not my tax dollars that are paying for the Royal Family. I may disagree with LP's opinion, but I respect the fact that he's got a skin in the game that I don't have.
Fantastic scene, not watched much of The Crown till recently, this scene is beautiful. I worked for HRH
Philip DofE. He was fantastic to work for. Jonathan plays him better than anyone. People really get him wrong alot. I am 66 and it was lifetime ago. But I can tell you he was kind, blunt, hilariously funny and understood the monarch better than some of the family because a) he knew history better than some b) he spent years looking through old documents and trawling the libraries and archives c) he knew about life outside the bubble that is monarchy,.that was because he brought himself up. Yes he lived with aristocratic families, of course he did,.he was a Prince of Greece, but they were never a 'home', never loving family. They were families who 'put him up'. He never had a family till he joined the Royal Navy. That was his family. He lived his mother dearly, but of course saw little of wonderful wonderful woman.
He was a great employer. Very dry and witty. Very strict .you work hard you get the praise you deserve, lazy...you're out. But....
He wasn't averse to a bit of banter and a laugh, even with a lowly groom. 😂😂😊
Charles is a thoroughly decent chap, he's kind and caring but it seems these days he can't do right for wrong. The Markle person has damaged the house irreparably, her lies ..and they are lies have done so damage. Breaks my heart.
Before trolls get to work atme..
Don't bother. That's the one thing the Duke and I have in common
Skin - Rhinocerous!😂😂😂
Thank you for sharing your particular insight into HRH. (That is the correct style, I hope?). Even as Americans, my family found him just as you describe from what little we were allowed to see. It's always wonderful to see consistency in people one admires.
Markle's statements and accounts are proven facts, verified by present parties.
I love being a nanny but I do not love my job like these guys do
Did anyone notice the ages of many of these royal employees? Many were up in age not far from retirement. With all the money the royal family have they could very easily let them work until retirement and then either eliminate or merge/consolidate their responsibilities. If done that way, then there is no disturbance to employee and no story worth reporting to the public. Whats the cost: early retirement and severance, a decade of wages until the person reaches retirement age, etc. They have the money for a slow and steady approach.
Imelda is brilliant!
I had the GREAT honour of being appointed by Her Late Majesty Queen Elizabeth ii. As:- Her Majesty's Court letter writer at large Wales.
My post was confirmed by H.M. The King on his succession. The 'modern' job title is;- King's scribe.
But how lovely! If I may say so, I much prefer the former iteration.
Tell us more! What do you do in the post?
thats pretty cool but i have to admit your old title had a bit more gravitas to it
Watching the 2nd part of this, I felt heavily reminded by the aims of especially Philip in the earlier seasons (aka his younger years), trying a lot of the same ideas, although from a different starting position. Aka bunch of newer, truly archaic stuff was still there
This really reminds me of GK Chesterton's "Fence" thought experiment , illustrating the interplay of Tradition and the precautionary principle.
If you come across an ancient fence across the land, which seems so old , that you think it is useless, before you even think of tearing it down in the name of Progress, realize that whomever made it, was probably a sane and moral person, who had a damn good reason which made sense to them for them to build this fence in the first place.
So, before we tear it down, it behooves us to deeply understand what they were trying to do when they built this fence, to see if that need still exists, and if it does, make damn sure whatever we replace that fence with does the same job at least as well, or we are doing a great disservice to society .Old "outdated" traditions serve functions we often dont ever recognize , especially because we have never lived in world far removed from their silent watchful existence.
3:58 McNulty really stepped up in this world, didn't he!
Life is not fair. I decided that it was my duty to make life as fair as possible.
Amazing…it’s tradition culture history…all things that have to be protected especially in these dark times for western culture
For the British, I think these customs and roles make a lot of sense. Combining the practical with the symbolic and historical.
In America, these would all be unremarkable civil servants or contractors. We decided we wanted to become a nation of where "all men were created equal." That brings with it the idea that it's just a job, you do it, you get paid, and you go home at the end of the day.
I like my system most days, but the British system certainly has merit in its own way.
The American system is a sanitized and standardized version of the English system. Emphasis on English.
I liked this segment, it shows that these aren't just empty titles or silly roles. Each of these people in their own right are effectively historians and curators. People with skills and knowledge preserved for generations that are part of Britain's history. The monarchy is the preservation of history and ancient traditions. Sure the UK has museums and such, but those exist purely at the pleasure of the government and could be lost if the PM or parliament does not see it to their immediate benefit to preserve them, not to mention much of the contents of the British museum is basically looted treasures from the British Empire's conquests and could very well be returned at some point.
Even the minor and seemingly insignificant can be vastly important and beautiful.
She grasped this. She grasped how napkins, swans, and diningware weren't someone's job; they were someone's dignity and purpose.
I think it was HM King George V who said that Monarchy is magic, and if you let light into that magic (by 'light' he was referring to the media which was starting its assault on the institution in the 1920s) then there is no magic, and if there is no magic, then there is no Monarchy. King George was a bit of a stick-in-the-mud and inflexible (a man of his time) but he did have a point. I believe that Ancient and Modern can exist side by side and the reign of His Majesty King Charles III is exemplifying this. Their Majesties The King and Queen, aided by the Wales's, the Edinburgh's and The Princess Royal have brought all the traditional elements of Monarchy into the new reign whilst at the same time introducing an openness, a freshness and an informality that the nation and world beyond is really enjoying.
When the New Zealand Women's Rugby team asked the King for a hug, what happened? They ALL got a hug and His Majesty clearly enjoyed it as much as they did. Did it damage the Monarchy or the King. Unequivocally not!
It wasn't the king who said that. It was Walter Bagehot I believe, an essayist
@@Smarterthanyew Then I stand corrected. I've got Bagehot's book on the British constitution on the shelves somewhere. Time for a re-read methinks!
@iwasglad122 😊 I knew it because I've just been reading Craig Brown's book on the queen, which i highly recommend if you haven't read it yet. He also did a great one on Princess Margaret.
I'm not a monarchist by ANY stretch but their lives and situation are fascinating and weird enough to take interest in. You can apply so many disciplines too- history, sociology, psychology philosophy, theology, criminology.
I have sympathy for monarchs ultimately. No palace of diamond is really worth the pressure, loss of privacy, and interminable boredom of having to meet utter strangers all the time and try to pretend you can relate or are interested in their mundane lives. The only point of envy for me is the food. They must eat the BEST food cooked by great chefs. That's my idea of luxury.
I have never watched this series, but I think she has a remarkable resemblance to the late Queen Elizabeth
Being very very old does not in itself make something "Great". In most of these cases, it just exemplifies the error.
Ok, so what is the error?
I think you see here that these people actually do important jobs, the title might sound a little silly but they do jobs that are worth doing. With the Swan guy for example he watches over all the populations of Swan's on royal properties in the country and that is a job that needs to be done.
Wrong. Many jobs were axed when she became Queen, but was in fact Prince Phillip idea and doing.
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This reminds me of that scene from Marco Polo where Hundred Eyes explains the concept of "Kung Fu". Meaning supreme skill from hard work. Practice, preparation, endless repetition to take pride into a mundane task. Like folding a napkin.
This was the best scene in the sixth season.
It felt strange going from a QC to a KC and knowing if my daughter wishes to follow my footsteps will probably never be a QC
Dowager Countess: You Americans don't understand the importance of tradition.
Wealthy American: Yes we do. We just don't give it power over us.
Quoting Downton Abbey?
Its intresting that charles failes to see the point twice, the king/queen can muster as much military might as they want, but at the end of the day, its the elected members of parliment ( the representatives of the people) that govern over the real power, if thats not hummbeling to Monarch what is.
These are all people who can put themselves to the side entirely to ensure the succes of others. These are selfless persons, and some of the rarest amongst us.
and.........the transcendent.....' there's such divinity doth hedge a king'. Hamlet
It's difficult for me, an American, as well. I imagine for my fellow Americans to have much sympathy, let alone empathy for United Kingdom's Sovereign and their immediate family members. Nevertheless, I have to admit that it must be extraordinary difficult to navigate through certain situations where they just can't win but are not of their making .
She’s not wrong. The British royalty is the biggest tourism draw of London. They make a fortune off it
4:18..." the magic ".
Fire NONE of them!
Love the swans bit , i thought id hate this show but i loved it
I don't believe Charles would want a monarchy run on rational lines. The man reads Rene Quinton
One of Britain's GREATEST assets!
Hollywood at its best the Queen has knows all about these leople .
Absolutely you should get rid of obsolete positions but there's some minutia that would go if you just got rid of all
I own older Jaguars because I Love old Britain... RULE BRITAINIA... OUT WITH KEIR STARMER
What has kier starmer done to make you feel he's against British traditions?
If you ever wonder whether sometimes a little 'over the top' ceremony and scene setting is important to ordinary everyday people, remember those football teams (I think it was) who went to the White House and got served a McDonalds' meal; imagine what a let down that must have been to those who were invited on what should have been one of the most memorable days of their lives. How would you have felt ? Yes, I know that objectively it's stupid, but a lot of people appreciate it.
I think those guys probably loved it.
What a leftist cope.
This entire part of the show turned into royalty meeting me the commoners where they were at and yet somehow you go right back to sneering when McDonald’s, common food, is served to a team of common men. Get over yourself
Anyone else think that was Jon Cryer?
I need a herb strewer
Looks like Professor Umbridge os doing good for herself. That's a surprise.
It's all just witchcraft and wizardry.
My favorite bit about monarchies came from Bronn in GoT :D
"Who were your ancestors? The ones who made your family rich? Fancy lads in silk? They were fucking cutthroats. That's how all the great houses started, isn't it? With a hard bastard who was good at killing people. Kill a few hundred people, they make you a lord. Kill a few thousand, they make you king. And then all your cocksucking grandsons can ruin the family with their cocksucking ways."
Kinda funny to think these people are still worshipped nowadays.
I always saw monarchy and feudalism in Europe as a sacralized and institutionalized protection racket. "Give me your land and 10% of your harvest each year, and I may not hurt you and will even protect you from other mobsters, err... aristocrats like me."
one of my favorite parts and why I agree with the monarchy. Tradition! A country needs it to keep it proud and have a link to it's history and dare I say, soul.
Dowager Countess: You Americans obviously don't understand the importance of tradition.
American: Yes we do. We just don't give it power over us. Europe just entered a World War based on tradition. You might consider letting go of its hand.
Chesterton's Fence.
Kind of sad to be abused by an employer like this
I am probably about to ask a silly question, but are these folks represented the actual holders of these offices or are they actors?
Definitely actors
I think if you are going to keep the monarchy, you have to do it properly the grandness of it all they way it transcends the normal world
This is what that separates UK from US, only one has a traditional, defined, privileged generational culture.
Everything I learn about monarchies makes me a more fervent abd devout Republican.
Why the hell is it so dark, who did this lighting
I hate the implication that we are to feel sorry for these imbeds who have profited off of the exploitation of their “subjects” for centuries.
I wander if some of these people are played by the real servants
Peasants happily working for royalty masters
Imelda Staunton has such cold fish eyes like The Witch from Hansel and Grettal
Fascinating how they don't mention that the Palace are allowed to pay vast numbers of their staff below minimum wage, meaning you can work in McDonald's or stack shelves in a warehouse and still be paid more than those working for the royal family.
But you wouldn't be High Royal Admiral of the Big Mac, now would you?
People who choose to serve those roles don't do it for money.
@@ohana8535😂You win.
No they don't mention how each successive parliament pays the salaries and what those salaries are. Nor do they mention the perks. It's a script and editing thing. Also, the Family has no say in what the pay rates are.
Maybe so, but which would you rather have on your CV??
I must not tell lies
They should do a scene where lizzie finally dies.
The fact that these jobs were cut were an insult to British history! I hated watching these scenes.
Elizabeth had 1000 employees. For what?
Running a court of the Kingdom.
She had several large properties, these all needed a large staff for maintenance.
Who cast *her* as The Queen? LOL.
😢
Poor servants. 😓
Why?
There are worse jobs. Believe me.
I wish parliament wasn’t in charge, they have made a mess of the country.
The actress that played the queen mother looks nothing at all like the real woman. SMH.
Keep them, if they pay for them all themselves.
Just say you cannot comprehend history and be silent, it's ok.
@ a person in charge of swans and cutlery? Honestly. Keep them as long as not payer money.
@@kb4903 You clearly have absolutely no idea how a monarchy works. "Just don't use tax dollars"? Do you understand what a constitutional monarchy is?
@@kb4903 anyways, if you aren't a citizen or Commonwealth your opinion thankfully does. Not. Matter.
@@samuelfritz2446 yeah it’s when you pretend a monarch has no money or power but in reality they do such as owning freeholds on schools and hospitals and charging them rent.
A house of absurdities
They waste a lot of money
Please tell me the people of the UK don't pay for all of this. If the Queen didn't pay for all of this (not with taxpayer money), this is the definition of unnecessary spending.
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Waste of tax payers money.
You're not even British....cry harder
She waited 50 years to meet her servants? What a horrible women!
I know three people who worked in the Royal Household, and believe me seeing and talking to the Queen regardless of role you played it the job you did was a very regular occurrence, but that wouldn't of made such good television for the producers of The Queen.
Oh look, a horrible social reformer. Yuck!
Knowing people first hand who did work for her, they spoke very highly of her and they were happy and proud to work for her
And what about all the hard work people did for "Lady" Diana? From what I read recently on another video Diana fired most of her staff and the rest resigned. She was very unhappy when the media reported it. How was it possible for her to fire two members of Charles's staff??? Diana's public persona was very different from the person we watched waving to us so sweetly from the palace balcony or smiling at the crowds on her walk about or warmly hugging sick children or ... 😢😢
The gayest country in the world🎉
Ok, but they shouldn’t be paid with public money if people are starving.
Someone has to do most, if not all, of those jobs. In most countries, nobody cares about them but the British do it in a fancy way so it attracts attention
With that logic, noone should be getting financial support from government (aka public money) if people are starving. Including tax cuts, doctors etc.
We’re there starving people in Britain in the 90s? My family suffered through real hunger, I would like to know if there was famine in 90s Britain.
@@ilikemandalorians9861 Oh please. That money could go towards education of people could have real jobs, instead of being a police officer over glass, and folding napkins.
If Swan Man didn't have his job maintaining the swans we would lose his knowledge and experience and he would be starving.
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Bloody rubbish and ridiculous expenditure of taxpayer funds
The sovereign lands hand over 300 million in profits. We pay out 40 million to the royals
1,29 is what the British per person pay for the monarchy
So on a personal level barely anything all of the jobs shown in this video are much more important than you might at first think And if you Wanne shut down thing's Beaceuse they cost money then we should shut down concerts football games and other major events to because you know they cost a lot of money to hold including tax payer money
The Royal Familys money is given in return for their hereditary revenues. They get far less than they put in. Educate yourself
@@georgewashington4394 - educate on how the British people are burdened by undeserving outdated inbreeds ? Please spare us your sentiments. Many are starving
Well when you're a republic that's your choice but when you're a subject of the crown it is theirs.