Dude, ripping ring lands off is because of the increased thermal expansion from running hotter. The rings grow and will stick to the cylinder bore unless you open up the gap so gap your damn rings to a minimum of .020 for a 4" piston for a sub 1k hp build, go up to .025" up to 1500hp, after that your off in custom hardware and talk to your forged piston provider.
I just got an 06 2500hd lq4 motor and am building it for 600-800 hp. Doing the entire engine but didn't want to spend $2000 on engine parts alone. But will be my daily driver also. Rods for 400 and pistons for over 600 was more than I wanted to spend for good parts. Your gonna have $3k or more in just that motor not counting what you gave for the block. WOW.
I don't want to use turbos though, I'd rather keep it NA for reliability purposes. And my oil won't get corrupted and won't have to worry about proper startup and shutdown procedures
Ly6 block .060 over. Stock crank. Forged piston and rods.. 20 psi boost supercharged. 4500 lb truck 3:90 gears E85 Will the stock gen 4 crankshaft hold up . Without eating through bearings ? Can i run 15 degrees of timming 1500-4500 rpm . On 11.5 afr. Without bending rods...? Need purchase links...
Thanks for the quality upload! Good info. I'm gonna be building a budget 5.3 on the side so I have it ready to go in once these 4.8's give up the ghost. Always been a fan of CP on all my 4cyl stuff since 2004. Will def look into those rods.. see them on all of Steve's vids. Subbed for sure.
Looks like ring gap issue to me but maybe u gaped rings idk. Ring gap is the biggest issue when boosting a stock LS engine. Iv saw stock lS making 1500 hp more than a few times on stock bottom. How long did they last idk couldn’t tell ya but ring gap is crucial. Cool build great video just sharing information not a know it all by all means lol!!
@@Brainstangs lol!! Ya actually something i just actually learned myself in the past year or so. Great video really enjoyed it some great information in there keep up the cool builds and keep us posted. Thanks Josh.
I think you are missing the point. You titled the video “Best budget 1000hp plus reliable LS engine build up!!!”. Yet, it’s not built, not making 1000 hp, reliability requires proof and most people use the word budget to mean cheap. That’s my point, get it now ?
Kenneth Jones it is built. What some deem on budget is up to them. It will make 1000 hp all day long. That said I don’t build 1000 hp ls engines without a 500 dollar set of rods and some decent 700 dollar pistons. To me this is cheap. Can it be done on a tighter budget, sure. Why don’t you consider forged rods and pistons “built”? I think most do. I’m in this motor about 2700 and I know it will safety make a 1000 hp daily. What am I missing here? Obviously you need to see a fresh video that is coming that will show this almost ready to run. I will drop a new vid in the next two weeks on this project.
Sorry, I just can’t make it any plainer, more descriptive or obvious than in my prior comment. You obviously can’t see the forest because of all the trees... I have daily driven a ring gapped stock bottom end 5.3 LS, with cam, springs and turbo for the past four years. It makes 600 hp on pump gas with a best number of 914 on race gas. I thought I was going to learn something from this video but was disappointed, that’s all. Once you build it, dyno it and put it thru it’s paces for a while we can discuss economics.
Kenneth Jones If you are making 1000 hp why do you need to “learn something” from another 1000hp video 🤦🏻♂️ Maybe you need to learn power curves from various cubic inches vs peak numbers you prick.
Hi. I newly interest with automotive I am amaze with your buildm congrats 👍 By the way. I still don't really get a point. Why some engine could go up to 500++ hp some other just below it. Even with higher CC
I've got a question for you. I run real close to the same combination as you, but for room I use small twins. I have 66s The hot side has 73/ 80 wheels with a. 91 ar. People tell me they will be to lazy for the street, what do you think.?
Question is. If you were building an LS motor and were shooting for boosted 1200-1500 hp range Would you use an iron or aluminum block. Would an aluminum block hold up with all the good internals with eagle crank good rods pistons and arp hardware.
Question sir iam doing a 5.3 is weisco pistion rods and k1 crank wit a 88mm turbo trying to make 1200 whp do you think its will live wit out killing it and iam do methanol injection tell what u think please
So best "budget" LS setup... fully Build LS3 with aftermarket crank/rod/piston, running on meth injection? Hell no. 5.3 with stock crank, summit piston/rod, sloppy cam, PAC springs, cheap MLS gaskets and VS billet turbo
Yes that is all true, but to be able to reliably hold 1k HP or more on a daily driven heavy sleeper truck then yes, the shirt block does need to be built. I have the L20 4.8L in my 2011 Silverado extended cab and it will hold 800HP reliably, but anything more than that then yes it does need to be built.
@@JustAGuy781 . Yeah that's true, I know a friend who owns a 1000hp civic and he pretty much build everything to the best he could just so he could drive it daily. However it is probably a lot more expensive for the ls engine
its fully built and will be running on the engine stand shortly for a video. Just working on getting funds for a few more things. Keep an eye out for its first start on the engine stand!
we did but possibly not enough. From what I have seen in the last couple of years is they can live if the tune is spot on. Not a lot of forgiveness though. I do have buddies running 8s in there foxbodies with all stock bottom end close to 1000 whp. So for some it works.
not true. I have broke ring lands without ends touching. Just weak pistons will break ring lands too. But yes that can do it but was not the case on this pistion
more info needed. whats the engine look like? what are the specs. how much boost you looking to run. Basic ls engines get close to 1000hp without a lot of trouble around 25-28 lbs given everything is right on.
@@Brainstangs thanks! I forgot I posted this. I finally figured it out. I think it’s cool to see someone like Steve using such a lower priced rod and proving that some times you really are just paying more for a name. It’s cool to see him put them to the test so we don’t have to! It really seems that most of all the h beams come from the same foundries.
The ring land breaks because of ring gap you are clueless Bro the rings have to be filed and gapped as much as .035 so they don’t close the gap and touch and lift the ring landing and break the piston like you showed in this video
Clueless. Yep. I admit it was a ring gap issue. I do now think they touched. If your running .035 gap your clueless. Way too much. I run 1300 hp on .026 4.030 bore
1000hp is a 1000hp any where in the world lmao. Although at the drag strip a 1000hp looks like 600 to 500hp foxbodys with c4 trans and slicks all the time tho 😂😂😂
Bro your piston broke beacuse you did not gap it right. Like look at the piston broke at the ring land... MY MAN... Thats your fault as a builder not the engines parts. Top ring needed more gap. If you argue that you dont know what your doing and are giving bad advice.
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Can you make a list of all parts with part numbers???.... That motor is SICK!!!!
Dude, ripping ring lands off is because of the increased thermal expansion from running hotter. The rings grow and will stick to the cylinder bore unless you open up the gap so gap your damn rings to a minimum of .020 for a 4" piston for a sub 1k hp build, go up to .025" up to 1500hp, after that your off in custom hardware and talk to your forged piston provider.
I agree. rings touched.
I just got an 06 2500hd lq4 motor and am building it for 600-800 hp. Doing the entire engine but didn't want to spend $2000 on engine parts alone. But will be my daily driver also. Rods for 400 and pistons for over 600 was more than I wanted to spend for good parts. Your gonna have $3k or more in just that motor not counting what you gave for the block. WOW.
gets real expensive man, im $3k into my built 5.3
@@runninitup4L that $2k went far over and still ain't done. Lmfao
I don't want to use turbos though, I'd rather keep it NA for reliability purposes. And my oil won't get corrupted and won't have to worry about proper startup and shutdown procedures
Man you are a awesome teacher... Thank you !!!!
Wow keep me updated. Can’t wait to see this run.
hopefully in the next couple months we have it moving
Ly6 block .060 over. Stock crank. Forged piston and rods.. 20 psi boost supercharged.
4500 lb truck
3:90 gears
E85
Will the stock gen 4 crankshaft hold up . Without eating through bearings ?
Can i run 15 degrees of timming
1500-4500 rpm . On 11.5 afr.
Without bending rods...?
Need purchase links...
Nice video. We love our CP products!!!
GM claims the LS3 heads have a 7.50 deck thickness so they should hold a thousand pretty easily.
Thanks for the quality upload! Good info. I'm gonna be building a budget 5.3 on the side so I have it ready to go in once these 4.8's give up the ghost. Always been a fan of CP on all my 4cyl stuff since 2004. Will def look into those rods.. see them on all of Steve's vids. Subbed for sure.
Right on! thanks man
Looks like ring gap issue to me but maybe u gaped rings idk. Ring gap is the biggest issue when boosting a stock LS engine. Iv saw stock lS making 1500 hp more than a few times on stock bottom. How long did they last idk couldn’t tell ya but ring gap is crucial. Cool build great video just sharing information not a know it all by all means lol!!
It was rings. Maybe I didn’t know it then. For sure they touched
@@Brainstangs lol!! Ya actually something i just actually learned myself in the past year or so. Great video really enjoyed it some great information in there keep up the cool builds and keep us posted.
Thanks
Josh.
“Much started, nothing finished and screw a budget” is more like it.
Video coming shortly. Much done almost driving and on budget. Just not good at posting.
I think you are missing the point. You titled the video “Best budget 1000hp plus reliable LS engine build up!!!”. Yet, it’s not built, not making 1000 hp, reliability requires proof and most people use the word budget to mean cheap. That’s my point, get it now ?
Kenneth Jones it is built. What some deem on budget is up to them. It will make 1000 hp all day long. That said I don’t build 1000 hp ls engines without a 500 dollar set of rods and some decent 700 dollar pistons. To me this is cheap. Can it be done on a tighter budget, sure. Why don’t you consider forged rods and pistons “built”? I think most do. I’m in this motor about 2700 and I know it will safety make a 1000 hp daily. What am I missing here? Obviously you need to see a fresh video that is coming that will show this almost ready to run. I will drop a new vid in the next two weeks on this project.
Sorry, I just can’t make it any plainer, more descriptive or obvious than in my prior comment. You obviously can’t see the forest because of all the trees...
I have daily driven a ring gapped stock bottom end 5.3 LS, with cam, springs and turbo for the past four years. It makes 600 hp on pump gas with a best number of 914 on race gas. I thought I was going to learn something from this video but was disappointed, that’s all.
Once you build it, dyno it and put it thru it’s paces for a while we can discuss economics.
Kenneth Jones If you are making 1000 hp why do you need to “learn something” from another 1000hp video 🤦🏻♂️ Maybe you need to learn power curves from various cubic inches vs peak numbers you prick.
Great video 👍🏾. Question I know u said it’s S485 but is that the 85/96 turbo by forced induction with an AR 1.15 ?
yes it was
Hi. I newly interest with automotive
I am amaze with your buildm congrats 👍
By the way. I still don't really get a point. Why some engine could go up to 500++ hp some other just below it. Even with higher CC
I've got a question for you. I run real close to the same combination as you, but for room I use small twins. I have 66s The hot side has 73/ 80 wheels with a. 91 ar. People tell me they will be to lazy for the street, what do you think.?
Can you show part list and part numbers please?...
awesome 👍 can't wait to see what comes next
Question is. If you were building an LS motor and were shooting for boosted 1200-1500 hp range
Would you use an iron or aluminum block.
Would an aluminum block hold up with all the good internals with eagle crank good rods pistons and arp hardware.
it would for the most part. Its the sleeves that can crack on an aluminum build. As long as sleeves are not too thin you can do it.
How did you get those engine pro rods? What website did you get them from?
If you can do it with a 5.3 or 6.0 then it can easily also be done with a 4.8L.
Question sir iam doing a 5.3 is weisco pistion rods and k1 crank wit a 88mm turbo trying to make 1200 whp do you think its will live wit out killing it and iam do methanol injection tell what u think please
So how long did this motor last?
So best "budget" LS setup... fully Build LS3 with aftermarket crank/rod/piston, running on meth injection? Hell no. 5.3 with stock crank, summit piston/rod, sloppy cam, PAC springs, cheap MLS gaskets and VS billet turbo
Yes that is all true, but to be able to reliably hold 1k HP or more on a daily driven heavy sleeper truck then yes, the shirt block does need to be built. I have the L20 4.8L in my 2011 Silverado extended cab and it will hold 800HP reliably, but anything more than that then yes it does need to be built.
WHICH SUMMIT PISTONS GEN 4 5.3 .O30 .CANT AFFORD THE PRO SERIES ,TRYING TO STAY UNDER 300.00 .TURBO 700 HP TO 900HP
@@JustAGuy781 . Yeah that's true, I know a friend who owns a 1000hp civic and he pretty much build everything to the best he could just so he could drive it daily. However it is probably a lot more expensive for the ls engine
@@toddcotten8157 . Save up your money my guy it is worth it in the long run
So u can run summit stock bore pistons and rods with the stock crank and u won’t have no issues and will u have to get it balanced?
Im wondering how well the stock 6L80 is holding up?
Can u put the website for the billet pistons in description
www.cp-carrillo.com/
U didn't gap those rings. Don't blame the piston sloppy and Richard holder will prove u wrong . Jist another salesman business owner marking up prices
How many runs can you get out of this set up
How did this engine turn out? If it completed and running of course
its fully built and will be running on the engine stand shortly for a video. Just working on getting funds for a few more things. Keep an eye out for its first start on the engine stand!
@@Brainstangs how much you charge to build the 1000whp ls?
Did you ring gap the pistons before they went bad?
we did but possibly not enough. From what I have seen in the last couple of years is they can live if the tune is spot on. Not a lot of forgiveness though. I do have buddies running 8s in there foxbodies with all stock bottom end close to 1000 whp. So for some it works.
That happened because you didnt gap the rings. DUH 🙄
not true. I have broke ring lands without ends touching. Just weak pistons will break ring lands too. But yes that can do it but was not the case on this pistion
Brainstangs
Then it’s the tune. Ring lands just don’t break for no reason especially on an LS gen 4.
Brainstangs what were the rings gaped at?
Summit also makes stock stroke forged cranks tested over 1200hp
Adding to much boost without gaping the rings correctly will brake the piston.
How much horsepower do you think I can get out of a built forged rotating assembly studded twin borg Warner 55mm turbos
more info needed. whats the engine look like? what are the specs. how much boost you looking to run. Basic ls engines get close to 1000hp without a lot of trouble around 25-28 lbs given everything is right on.
@@Brainstangs btr stage 1 truck turbo cam tsp stage 2.5 ported 5.3 heads should be like a 9:5:1 comp and arp studs all around
@@Brainstangs and on a 5.3 liter I didn’t mention
How much HP do you think the NV4500LD can hold with a good clutch?
all depends on traction. If you hook hard you could blow it with 500
Brainstangs 🙏
What cam are you running in this setup??
btr stage 1 turbo truck cam
What rods were those
Manly rods
where's your shop located
Spanish fork Utah
How do I get in contact with you?
What was your ringgap sat 2?
I use 24 thousands on boosted ls stuff with 4 inch bores or approximately.006 x bore
Does anyone know what brand rods those are?
engine pro
@@Brainstangs thanks! I forgot I posted this. I finally figured it out. I think it’s cool to see someone like Steve using such a lower priced rod and proving that some times you really are just paying more for a name. It’s cool to see him put them to the test so we don’t have to! It really seems that most of all the h beams come from the same foundries.
Which LS is this?
this is 6.0 gen 3 iron block from a 2500 hd truck, 02 to be exact
What size turbo will you use for 1100?
s485-s491
The ring land breaks because of ring gap you are clueless Bro the rings have to be filed and gapped as much as .035 so they don’t close the gap and touch and lift the ring landing and break the piston like you showed in this video
Clueless. Yep. I admit it was a ring gap issue. I do now think they touched. If your running .035 gap your clueless. Way too much. I run 1300 hp on .026 4.030 bore
E85 and gap the rings more.. problem solved
agreed!
1000 Hp in the US is about 600 Hp in the rest of the world...
No.
FACT !
1000hp is a 1000hp any where in the world lmao. Although at the drag strip a 1000hp looks like 600 to 500hp foxbodys with c4 trans and slicks all the time tho 😂😂😂
Bro your piston broke beacuse you did not gap it right. Like look at the piston broke at the ring land... MY MAN... Thats your fault as a builder not the engines parts. Top ring needed more gap. If you argue that you dont know what your doing and are giving bad advice.
I’m not arguing that. I do believe the rings touched. And I will also say no pistons ring land will live without enough gap. Forged or not.
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Dudes a JOKE