Historian Kate Lister Rates Historic Couples In Movies
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- Historian Kate Lister Rates Historic Couples In Movies
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In this video historian Dr Kate Lister, a lecturer at Leeds Trinity University, and host of Betwixt the Sheets Podcast on History Hit, reviews couples in famous movies for historic accuracy and realism.
She rates scenes from the hit film 'The Favourite' (2018), which depicts the relationship between Queen Anne and Sarah Churchill. She comments on the portrayal of Alexander the Great and his love interest, the eunuch Bagoas, in the movie 'Alexander' (2004). Next, she rates how 'The Other Boleyn Girl' (2008) depicts the relationship between Henry VIII and the Boleyn sisters, Anne and Mary.
An awkward scene featuring King John, Isabella of France and Eleanor of Aquitaine from 'Robin Hood' (2010) also features.
Finally, the iconic affair between Jack and Rose, played by Leonardo di Caprio and Kate Winslet, in 'Titanic' (1997) is rated for accuracy.
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I lost it when she said "that old move, he swept her off her feet. I had a partner that did that once, but he buckled" 😂😂😂
Same, girl, same 😂😂😂
That was such an excellent comment, wasn't it! 😂
My grandmother was a 3rd class passenger on the ship that brought her to America. An officer requested someone who spoke Italian to be companion for a 12 year old girl who was traveling 1st class with her parents. Seems the young woman they had hired, backed out at the last minute. My grandmother who was 17 at the time volunteered and as a result spent majority of the time in 1st class. She ate breakfast & lunch with the family but could not attend the dinners since she did not have the proper dress, but the family arranged for her to have the 1st class dinners. One of my grandmother's favorite things to do was to eat it in front of her older sister who suffered from sea sickness.
That is such a cool story! Did she become friends with the first class girl? Or was it a temporary situation?
No, both went their own way. The girl was from NYC and my grandmother settled in Ohio.
Did you grandmother's family survived as well?
The last part 💀
i don't think they were on the titanic lol @@rosemarie5489
“Oh, he carried her, swept off her feet: I had a partner who did that once, but he buckled.” 😂🤣
In our defence, it's a good bit harder than it looks. Also, oftentimes a great deal of ale has been taken 😂😂
@@thebagelsproductionsthanks for being a good sport about it and for not losing your humor about it❤
@@leavoda3791What are you thanking him for? I mean, such things are most often taken with humour.. or are you that insecure that yours is "buckling" too?🤔
I fear the analysis of marriage and relationships throughout history is riddled with these _"this person was actually 10-14 years old at the time"_ stories...
I think you're right, unfortunately
Excellent point.
When you're dead by 30, 15 is middle-aged 🤷♀️
@@Katw76 Good point and we judge with modern eyes 13/14 was normal for girls to get married
Very correct. I despise Braveheart for the fact they made a love story between William Wallace and the princess, when in reality she was I think 2 or 3 years old when he was executed. Also, they didn't wear kilts in that century, but that's a different video lol.
"Don't cry, go find your self another king"
Motto of the life.
Lol
Sure... You'd wish.
"Go get yourself another king!" is possibly the single best quote I've ever heard about a royal favourite 😂
I love Kate - she's hilarious and witty and so much fun. I'd watch anything she comments on.
Yes x
Her podcast is the BEST! I was hooked when she described Rasputin as “looking like he was drug through a hedge”. Funny and very true!!!
True 🙂👍🏻🇸🇪
Alexander…bit of a nonce is genius😂
That's just British humour and wit, aren't you familiar with it at all?
That bit about looking up young Henry slayed me 🤣🤣
Please folks, MORE videos with Kate Lister! She is witty, strong, funny and very blunt in just the right way! Watching anything she does is a great experience. She so clearly knows her subject, and she makes history come alive. KUDOS!
How do you know if she's "strong"? Do you personally know her? Why throw these words around?🤨
Please do a part two with Kate, she's amazing.
What makes me so angry about Anne Boleyn is that people always call her a master seductress. No! Henry was an entitled ass who wanted to sleep with any woman he wanted. Poor Anne was doing her job as a lady in waiting to Catherine and then here comes horn-dog-Henry. Anne told him that she would rather be his wife than to be his mistress probably thinking that that was the end of it but noooooo! Fuckin Henry!!!
Actually no, Henry didnt have many mistresses, and YES Anne was a master Seductress, what else are you doing if you are playing hard to get but still leading on a man. (in her case a very powerful man) to get what she wanted. She was not a victim. the only victim is Queen Catherine of Aragon.
@@ladyofnoxus6733 the historian just said that he had a lot of mistresses. Henry has a many mistresses as well as illegitimate children. Including Henry Fitzroy
@@ladyofnoxus6733 love that you think that only one woman could be the victim
@@maia_gaia I not once said that. But you think what you want.
@@ladyofnoxus6733 I can agree with you, except for the fact that Anne actually fell victim to either her own or her family's ambition, which have been planted and preserved by her courtly education; that and Cromwell's intrigues, as well as Henry's changeful temper eventually lead to her downfall. It's not like she was free in her choices. She knew there's no way of saying "no" to the king, so she wanted to take advantage of the situation, unlike her sister, but paid an ever bigger price for it than what anyone could have seen it coming.
Catherine of Aragon at least had the entire Habsburg Empire rooting for her and threatening Henry with invasion, while Anne was the career ladder for her cousins and relatives for many years and who couldn't even protect her, given they would want to do that for her (which most didn't want to do, they've chosen the safe path). One born privileged, only to lose her privilege based on supposed fertility issues on her part and one guy's opinion; the other being brought up in the ranks for perceived youthfulness and sex appeal, only for it to be used against her and accused of infidelity, despite being innocent (at least evidence now suggests that).
Not the pause to google young Henry!!! 😂🤣😂
Loved this! More of Kate please - she's brilliant!
Interesting fact Anne Boleyn was Queen Katherine's lady in waiting and Jane Seymour was Anne Boleyn's lady in waiting when Henry 8 started to cheat on her. Textbook "How you get them is how you loose them."
I like how she give her comments to these movies in such a simple direct way like we're gossiping with her..
We do not actually know for how long Mary Boleyn was Henry’s mistress. When Henry was courting Anne, there was a rumour that Henry had slept with Elizabeth Boleyn as well as Mary, I think by an ambassador. When Henry was told of the rumour he reputedly said “Not the mother,” which implicitly admitted to an affair with Mary. Cromwell or Wolsey was with him at the time, and apparently added “Not the sister either.” This implies that the affair was not that well known so as to be possible to cover it up. This suggests it was of relatively short duration.
Kate is so watchable and makes history so accessible! Love her!
As an amateur Victorianist, this is making me cackle and I haven't even started yet. This historian is fantastic.
She actually wrote a book about the history of sex which is highly entertaining!
@@phoebeel thank you! I’m on the hunt now
if you like her she also has a podcast called betwixt the sheets that is very funny.
@@ads2686 thank you! Yes I love it
No, you're right about the makeup. Rouge and powder, that's it. Maybe a homemade version of eyebrow pencil and mascara that you wouldn't admit to using. Molly Brown's blue eyeshadow was definitely not a thing.
Came here in hope for a part two. Please make one (or 20, I‘ll watch them) more video with her! Or maybe a double feature with doctor Janega?
There is a double feature.
Look up the title -
What was sex really like for medieval people?
I love Kate's analysis, reactions, and commentary!! very hilarious and witty, and still informative - i love it
This woman is awesome. "Alexander, bit of a nonse 🤷♀️" Love her ❤️
The car , the Renault , make and model was absolutely on the RMS Titanic . Its inventory even accounted the vase with the flowers inside the carriage . However , the car was more than likely completely crated and would have been impossible for anyone to enter
Aw, I thought this was a part 2. Since this was originally uploaded I've completely binged her podcast (Betwixt the Sheets). Love her!
I discovered the podcast first- I'm glad to be able to put a face to the voice
Henry VIII had only one confirmed illegitimate child by Bessie Blount. He didn’t ‘take care’ of Mary Boleyn’s children and he never acknowledged any as his own. In fact, it was Anne who became Henry Carey’s ward, and she originally helped her sister when she was in a bad financial situation after her first husband died. It’s unlikely, in my view that Mary’s children were Henry’s but I suppose it’s possible her first child, a daughter, was. Just because she named her second child (which almost certainly wasn’t his) Henry means nothing as it was just considered smart policy to name your children after powerful friends and obviously the royal family.
The myth that Henry father to some of Mary's children is that Henry gave Mary's husband money and/or lands. But Mary's husband was part of his court and many other men granted money and land too. It's interesting that none of those other men's children are similarly thought to be the kings
Very true. The comments about Henry having loads of illegitimate children and loads of mistresses are both inaccurate - or rather, if he did, we have no solid evidence of it. The only confirmed mistresses we know of other than the Boleyns are Bessie Blount and Jane Seymour (before she eventually became his third wife).
@@Luanna801 THANK YOU! I was going crazy reading some of these comments and the "historian" didn't bother to help or debunk.
would he acknowledge a girl though ?
Royal bastards were often openly acknowledged, the name Fitzroy means issue of the king more or less. I'm not sure how universal this was or the historical period this applies to the most. I'm happy to hear details about it
"I think I was still doing beer bongs in the park in my early 30s." ... 😂
Love the commentary and facts dropped throughout. Also, she does and amazing job tying in modern culture references without seeming to try too hard 😂
I love your conversational style of educating others, Kate! It's so much fun to listen to.
Kate is just wonderful! Loved this and Betwixt the sheets is fantastic too.
My father and mother worked in museums for most of their lives. My father was a classical Sculptor and did work at the Smithsonian making figures for the various displays and Halls. My mother was a museum curator and was involved in the management of museums. My sister and I or needless to say given an education in natural and human history. One would think that this would be a great advantage and in some cases it was however when you went to a drive-in movie or to any other form of Hollywood entertainment that had anything to do with history most of the time we'd end up laughing at what we were watching because it was so historically inaccurate. So I empathize with her reaction to the movie Titanic you like the movie but historically speaking it's a bomb. For us the movie in question was the Vikings with star and Kirk Douglas. Our family was almost ejected from the drive-in because we were making too much noise laughing and pointing out all the historical errors and untruths that literally flowed from the screen into the car. Was a good thing it was a drive-in.
I would HONESTLY love to watch movies with you and your family 😅
That sounds like an interesting and enriching childhood, I'm jealous!
Dear History Hit, give Kate and Eleanor their own series already. 😊
We need more Katie Lister on the channel, she's brilliant. Love the pod too, look forward to seeing part 2 👌
I LOVE Kate Lister! More of her please. She should have her own show. Xx
12:00 Hilarious. Love the breaking of the 4th wall bit 😅
Brilliant. Very watchable and on point 👏
This was such a fantastic show. More please!
I love Kate's videos, always entertaining and enlightening 😎👍
"but he buckled" just killed me hahahaha
Bless you for pausing and showing us young Henry VIII because I was just about to do it!
(for a second there I thought my computer was reading my mind 🤣😂)
Wow, first video with this historian and she is just great 🤩😂 and so funny!
I adore Kate. Love the way she talks about herself, history and the movies.
The searching Henry VIII picture part got me 😂
Reportedly, Henry had relatively few mistresses by kingly standards and didn't have very many illegitimate kids. He had a loving first marriage. But, who knows - none of us were there. The Other Boleyn Girl was a god awful mess. PS - I love your look, Kate!
There is one with both of them in! It’s called Medieval Pleasures: What was sex like in the Middle Ages? and it’s on History Hit.
“But he buckled.”
That’s it, I’m in love.
I believe that the reference to Mary Boleyn being called "great mare" by Francis was reported in 1585 by Nicholas Sandor, who generally wrote in a negative light about Anne Boleyn, spreading the report of her extra finger and other injurious details. I don't think there's any contemporary reference to "great mare" being applied to Mary Boleyn (just like there was no contemporary reference to Anne of Cleves being called the "Flanders Mare"). We have to be careful about these kinds of remarks, when they were applied and by whom.
I must complain that this video is entirely too short and we need Kate back rating as many love scenes as possible.
We need more of Kate, I loved this video
This is my first time seeing this video/channel and I love Kate.
14:40 "Thee up?" 🤣
Speaking of Eleanor of Aquitaine .... it would have been fun to rate "The Lion in Winter."
The car on Titanic would have been in a crate, and likely would have been disassembled. Also, the car would have been in Cargo Hold #2 in the Orlop Deck section, which is not accessible via a door from the boiler rooms. That's Cargo Hold #3, which was not used for any 1st Class baggage. 1st Class baggage had it's old hold next to the mail room and post office on G-Deck and the Orlop Deck, so the entire car sex scene doesn't work.
It could've been whole. There are ship wrecks in the great lakes that have entire cars assembled at the bottom of Lake Huron.
16:11 Thank you. Letting a person like Jack into 1st class at that time would have been the scandal of the century. They would have chucked him overboard before they let that happen!
I love your commentary!
"Thee up?" 😂😂😂
Love Kate's videos and podcast!
About the Titanic, James Cameron took artistic license in order to move the characters between the classes. While it’s not accurate, it was more of an illustration of the times.
Okay so as soon as she said Henry VIII was a fine piece of man in his youth I googled it while leaving the video running and then went back to the tab and the video had accurately predicted my exact behavior, kudos
Oh I love her! Please feature Kate again
I just want to watch this woman reviewing movie scenes forever! 😂❤
Not even a minute & a half in & had to comment. The sarcasm is already flowing, i believe this is going to be a very bumpy, but highly entertaining ride. Am totally ready for it.
LOL & Carry On.
I need more of her!!!!
This was a good video. I laughed so much when she said Alexander was a bit of a nonce lmao
Your hair is amazing!!!! I think you need to do a video on how you get your hair to look like that. I've been trying for years.
Bleach and perm
I love this💕!! And I loved Kate!!
Kate is absolutely amazing! This was hilarious 😂
Did she just say "thee up?"
😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ok, finding her podcast. Done.
Kates a great guest, would love to see more critiques from her!
Love Kate!! She makes history fun!!
Titanic - There was plenty of room on Rose's float for him, too. Killing him off was for the drama.
Oh my gosh, I listen to Kate on her awesome podcast “Betwixt the sheets” and love it but to have visuals and actually see her, well that was just amazing. Kate is my hero.
more of Kate!! fascinating.
You should do a historian talking about the history of TH-cam channels reuploading videos and simply changing the name.
"He wasn't sexy. He was a redhead."
That's an official ouch from me!
Want more of Kate!!!
Ah god bless ya, Kate! You’re always a fun time ❤️
The guy playing King John is Oscar Isaac! So YES, quite sexy! Even if historically inaccurate.
Haven't read a single comment Kate, but I can tell you I live in Canada and have to walk to my school bus every morning and the only thing that keeps the foot trip bearable is your pod. Interesting and always something new to learn but more than anything... just fun to listen to....
Kate Lister is a goddamn treasure. I found her books first and this is exactly how I imagined her. 👑🧡👏🏼⭐️ More Kate please!! 🥂🍻
Henry’s mistress Bessie Blount gave him a son that somewhat legitimized and later considered marrying to Elizabeth. He gave him a title but he died young.
Regarding Alexander- the Irish accent was very much on purpose! All the Macedonians had Irish accents (to varying degrees… looking at you, Hephaestion 👀) to set them apart from the Greeks in a way that emphasized the sort of “class difference” (not quite that, but idk how else to describe it). Aristotle and the other Greeks have fancy RP accents, and they look down on the Macedonians, who for effect have Irish ones.
I heard that too, but they could have taught those actors a more Balkan accent.
I don't think the Irish accents worked at all. They could've indicated the class differential in a number of ways.
Hi really like this video 🙂👍🏻🇸🇪
i never knew I had a dream job until now to be honest. Kate is amazing
Love Kate and Betwixt the Sheets!
I love the way Kate approach’s this subject. Makes it such a pleasure to watch
kate has quickly become my favourite person on the hh channel ♥
I must know her lipstick colour and brand! And also, more vids with her because she’s unabashed and knows her stuff!
I agree about the inaccuracies of the Titanic film. The early 1910s were very much about staying in your class. The 1st class would even look down on what they call "new money." Something the film is correct about. James Cameron himself remarked about how he took creative liberties to show the audience all the classes of Titanic and noteworthy rooms because, in the end, the story is about Titanic, its crew members, and passengers. Not the love story of Jack and Rose.
EDIT: The car is not inaccurate. It actually existed on Titanic and still was not found in the wreck to this day. I think what Kate was recalling is that only two versions of this car were ever made.
Lol, the 3 AM "thee up?"text
I can’t get enough of this lady 😂😂😂
When you showed the search for young Henry I lost it 😅😂
21:16 I mean, technically, Rose DID use Jack as a life preserver, the poor sod! Lol
I love Kate Lister. She makes social history fun.
I could watch this woman do this all, damn, day. What a fully entertaining person to listen to !
Mary Boleyn is my ancestor through her daughter Katherine Carey Knollys.
I think I found my favorite historian right there...
Kate is hilarious bring her back 😂
'thee up?' 😂😂😂
Very interesting
I loved the Tudors tv series. I thought they aged Henry VIII very well.
Would Rose and Jack have got together? Putting aside the question of whether they would have met, the Titanic sinking was only 16 years before Lady Chatterley's Lover was published. The story was controversial because it's about an English Lady in an unhappy marriage, then having an affair with her gamekeeper. So yes, there was some awareness at the time that the aristocracy sometimes ran off with the serving classes.
I've read the book. The affair is a slow burn, not a sudden whirlwind like Jack and Rose. It's really one of the most incredible novels about depression I've ever read.