Fire Maple FM119 VS Blade 2 Gas Canister Stoves
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- Fire Maple FM119 VS Blade 2 Gas Canister Stoves
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Key Features
Remote canister system
Pre-heat tube (generator) for cold weather use
Physical Specs
FMS 118 stainless steel 5..5oz / 157g
Ultra Light Blade 2 titanium and SS 5.0 / 141g
Performance Specs
burner operates at 2800 W/ 9500 BTU's
Observations
Temp 14C 2 cups/500ml + Fire Maple HE pot = 2:13 / 8g of fuel
About time somebody discussed *_inverted_* remote canister stoves. +1
Yes, and more to come in the video on Wednesday. Thanks for commenting
One advantage of this type of stove, is that you can safely use a wind screen while keeping the canister away from the flame. Another is the flexibility to move the stove to find a level place for the stove, and the lower stance makes it much safer versus the stove being on top of the canister on uneven surfaces. ✌️🇺🇸🇨🇦✌️
Good points. Thanks for commenting
Whining screen would not help flames came out of the stove at bottom
Thanks for the video & stove information. I bought the Fire Maple 117T (no pre-heat tube) and really enjoy it. A comparison video of identical stoves in cold weather, with and without pre-heat tubes, would be quite interesting! Take care.
I don't have a FM 117T to compare but today's video might be helpful. Thanks for commenting
Interesting video. I agree wit other commenters that a big advantage of remote canister stoves is the ability to use a windscreen safely. A lot of people are not aware that using a windscreen with an upright canister stove has the potential to overheat the gas canister, possibly causing a dangerous explosion.
As far as I can see the only downside to a remote canister stove is the extra weight and only if you are an ultra light hiker. I have a new FireMaple remote cansiter cook system coming that should be pretty nice. Thanks for commenting
@@MarkYoungBushcraft Absolutely agree. Although I must confess that if I only want boiling water FAST, then I usually just grab the Jetboil. If I plan to actually cook, the Jetboil stays at home...
One advantage of the Titanium stove will be that it cools down a lot quicker than the stainless steel one.
Yes, it does, but it was not a dramatic difference in this case. Thanks for commenting
So glad I seen this video. The Blade 2 is on for $97 and the FMS is on for $36. $61 difference for same performance and -.5 an ounce. Hard decision 😂 FMS it is!
Good choice. Thanks for commenting
I have had an Alpkit Koro in the UK for quite a few years (I believe it is a rebranded Fire Maple Blade). Been really happy with it. However, a couple of weeks ago the titanium bit with all the holes in on top of the burner just disintegrated. I don’t know why, but my guess is that it was weakened by all the heating and cooling cycles.
I liked it so much I have ordered a replacement, but am concerned the same thing may happen again. If I had known about Fire Maple’s stainless steel option, I would probably have gone for that.
Wow, that must have been a lot of use. Not sure SS would have lasted longer. Thanks for commenting
They are superb stoves
1 use the FMS-117T at only 98g (no preheat)
Again the amazing simmer control, to almost nothing lower than you showed and has minimal fuel usage for real cooking
I use it with Fire Maple FMC-XK6 Heat Exchanger Pot 1L at $20, which makes an excellent cook system
With a large canister with the heat exchange pot, I got a full two weeks of real cooking from the canister (lighter than two medium sized canisters)
This design burner head is used on 5 stoves, 3 remotes and 2 stove tops
You have some great experience with FireMaple products. I have a playlist of the FM products I have tested. Love them all. Video coming on Wednesday about comparing types of stove in cold weather. Thanks for commenting
Both stoves are unavailable, but on AliExpress the titanium Blade 2 is over C$100 with shipping, whereas the stainless steel FMS-118 is almost C$40 with shipping. I picked up the cheaper one for my backcountry multi-group hiking trip that didn't happen, but I appreciate the good simmer control for actual cooking vs my BRS mini stove which is basically just for boiling water for 1-2 people. Plus, you can safely use a windscreen without fear of ur canister blowing up, cuz it's external 😉
Another great review, thanks Mark 👍
I find the availability comes and goes as well as where you look for them. I agree, the FMS-118 is the better value. Thanks for commenting
Good review Mark , thanks for sharing , God bless !
Thanks for commenting
G'day Mark, well explained as usual mate. I've had the Blade 2 for a couple of years now, love it.
I suspect the preheat tube is copper plated, but I've no evidence of that.
The pot support arms came overly free swinging for my liking, but a tap with a pin punch sorted that out.
Also, the hose braid does tend to show dings from contact to the body/legs whilst in storage, but hey, probably unavoidable and that's one reason why you have a braided hose in the first place, lol.
Like my SOTO Windmaster I'm not overly enamored with a bag rather than a hard case, (like a Pocket Rocket). Yes given the right sized cookware, they can be stored inside, but personally a small tupperware container is more versatile again IMO and leaves my cup/pot available to hold the canister and a couple of other nick nacks, including a small cloth, that stops any rattle.
Oh yeah, I'm glad there is no piezo ignition, the one on my Windmaster is holding up, but it is a potential point of failure and can only contribute to a higher manufacturing cost. I'll take the ol' ferro rod every time, as a "primary" ignition source anyway.
All in all, great units that don't break the bank. Cheers Duke.
You comments are spot on, as usual Duke. I think a small plastic case would be useful. Thanks for commenting
Seriously, this was exactly what I was looking for. I have been thinking about both of these for a bit but couldn't quantify what the benefits would be beyond the materials they are made from.
Glad it was helpful. I should add I now know the pre-heat tube is plated copper rather than stainless steel as I mentioned. This is better. Thanks for commenting
@@MarkYoungBushcraft good to know
11:35 Trangia stove has stainless steel generator. It might have been copper at some point. Current model is stainless and I have older model also stainless.
I wonder which is better.
Was not aware of that. I would think initially the copper/brass tube would heat faster but it would not take long for the stainless steel to catch up and maybe be more durable. Thanks for commenting
I love the bottom line up front that the stainless performs as well as the titanium stove with only a half ounce weight difference
I like the titanium version but the price is better on the SS. Thanks for commenting
Great video Mark, I look forward to seeing more comparisons of the FireMaple stoves. I have been really happy with the FireMaple products I currently own.
I agree Chris. They make good stuff. Video coming Wednesday. Thanks for commenting
I learned a lot, thank you very much for your explanation and review, very much appreciated.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for commenting
I have a Firemaple remote stove and it has one limitation, that your new stove might also have. The hose is long enough for cannister fuel, but if you are going to use cassette butane the hose is about an inch too short to use the cassette upright, and lying down it spits and flares (maybe the preheat tube will sort that). So if I want to use the much cheaper butane cassettes (more available where I live), I need to raise the remote stove off the deck.
I hope Firemaple read this comment, as a slightly longer hose would make a good stove even better.
Good point. I don't use the butane bottles with these stoves but I can see how it could be an issue. New video on Wednesday about inverting canisters. Thanks for commenting
When you lay a butane can over, you have to make sure the notch is up. Unless of course you WANT it to liquid feed, which is what’s happening to you. And yes, the preheat tube is designed to reduce the spitting.
@@lapicker1010 Thanks for the tip. I can see that now.
you can always assist the performance by making a coosy for the gas can and inserting underneath a cheap and cheerful USB mug warmer plugged into your pocket power pack therefore pre warming your gas
Great tip. I have a full video including one of your suggestions coming on Wednesday. Thanks for commenting
Great S/S Comparison On These Mark, Looking Forward To What's Next, Friend ! ATB T God Bless
Stay tuned. Coming soon. Thanks for commenting Terry
I've always been weary with these gas cannister stoves....I have the Pocket rocket ($ 70 cad over 10 yrs ago) and the Pocket rocket 2.0 ($130 in 2020).
I've been curious about this hose stoves...but weary, cause I fear the hose will get gunked up or damaged and leak.
My second complaint is , this set up with stove and hose, is extra weight and takes up more real estate in a cook kit.
Both the Fire Maple stove and the Pocket rocket are both similar priced..over $120 cad
I don't expect fuel lines will clog as the gas is running through in vapour form. What could happen is the hose becomes damaged but only if not treated well enough as it is covered in stainless steel mesh. True, remote canister stoves are heavier and bulkier but many people feel they are safer as the gas is away from the heat and the pot is not top heavy. Thanks for commenting
Hey Mark. So I don’t know if you remember our chat about converting my Maglite to LED, and you were of the opinion that it wasn’t worth it because of the greater storage of the lithium batteries that come with more modern lights.
Well…..I went to the Maglite site, and they sell an LED, lithium battery conversion (or perhaps newer version would be more accurate) and they claim it will run for 14 days. Not hours, but complete days! So I got a light for $15 (actually I got a couple that were no good, but this one is great), and two rechargeable C size lithium batteries for $28. No idea the quality, but each of the pair comes with a built USB C charging port, and they come with a split USB charging cable, so I can do both at once. I’m not positive, but I believe you can charge something off them.
It works great! Really bright hotspot centre, with a wide milder outter ring. It focuses, but unfortunately there is a bit more of a blind spot than a halogen, but still, I now have a light that will work for days. I got 4 batteries, so I should be good for about a week of continuous burn time….and best of all, my beloved old lights may not come hiking, but they have new life as car camping and emergency lights.
Gonna do my 3 D cell later
Geez, now I am sorry I got rid of my 3-D cell light I carried for so many years on patrol. Even if just converting it for a keepsake. I was looking at the 26650 battery that is in another ThruNite I am about to review and thinking it is almost the same size as a D-cell but has 5000mAh.
@@MarkYoungBushcraft Amazon sells lithium batteries that are made to replace old school batteries.. to be honest, I’m not sure how they compare to the built in ones, but they must be better than alkaline. But 14 continuous days! Talk about a great home emergency light if for nothing else.
Thanks Mark. Yup, no significant difference.
Both work great. Thanks for commenting
I did some research on those stoves and read that preheating tubes are not stainless steel, but nickel plated cooper (or brass). The older model of FM118 was not plated and you could see the original tube color. I have a knockoff (rebranded) SS version without preheat tube for a few years. Great for summer. Few weeks ago I have ordered FM118(a) from Aliexpress for other seasons, if you could call that in Southern California 😄. I should receive it any-day now.
That is really good to know. None of the literature I had access to stated that. Makes them better than stainless steel. Thanks for commenting
G'day mate, I did think the pre-heaters would have to be copper, thanks for the confirmation. Cheers Duke.
Got FM118a today. Tube is definitely cooper and bend easy. Have to be extra careful packing it. Side by side burns better than identical one without preheat tube. Tested both on butane canisters with adapters.
@@borissorkin8819 Thanks for the benefit of your testing and experience mate. Cheers Duke.
@@borissorkin8819 Hi! Does the one with preheat tube burn better even in normal conditions (not cold), also have you experienced any stuttering when the cannister is inverted on the 118?
Thanks Mark. I think I'll stay with my Trangia with the gas burner.
The Trangia gas burner is a good piece of kit. Thanks for commenting
Looks like the stove that comes with the Lixada Multi-Fuel stove.
Interesting. I will check it out. Thanks for commenting
I was wondering, do you think these fuel lines wear over time and need to be replaced after some years of use?
Possibly. I have a stove from another manufacturer that the braided steel line it starting to come apart, but only slightly. More of an issue with the way I was packing it I think. Thanks for commenting
Receive my 117 today n the kitchen on the stoveto see how it works f fire came out of the tube that runs in stove. Be careful if I was out in the woods I could’ve started a fire me careful they have a defect.
Wow, sound defective. I assume you contacted Fire Maple?
@@MarkYoungBushcraft I called that Amazon and they refund my money emailed fire Maple and told them did not hear back from them still waiting. Thank you.
@@jamesrohmann8776 I would be interested in hearing how you make out with Fire Maple. I have found them good to deal with but a little slow in responding sometimes
@@MarkYoungBushcraft in the meantime I ordered a Soto stove pay more by excellent quality
Needs improvement. Too short of a defective hose which breaks and leaks after light use. Terrible flame knob that sticks when turned. I expect better for an outdoor product that could very well put someone in an emergent situation being without a functional stove due to failure
Can I assume these issues have happened to you?
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