NYCT/MABSTOA | 2020-21 Novabus LFS HEV Review

Units 9620-9910 are 2020-2021 Nova Bus LFS HEV buses. They are the MTA's first hybrid-electric buses built by Nova Bus since 2000-2002, with the Daimler Chrysler Orion 07.501 Old Gens. The first pilot buses were planned to be delivered in May 2020, but due to coronavirus, delivery and entrance in service was delayed by several months. It was eventually decided to deliver the pilot bus in August 2020. This order of 291 buses includes a base order of 165 buses (9620-9784) with an option order of 126 buses (9785-9910). The first pilot (originally numbered 0022, now numbered 9620) entered service in early October 2020 out of Kingsbridge Depot. All buses use the BAE HDS 200 system and the Cummins B6.7 engine.
Since I rode these hybrid bus models in 2019 and in Canada, I was desperate for New York City to have these. Eventually by March 2020, when I opened up the TTMG news, my wish become more fulfilled until COVID-19 was starting to strike the USA. After COVID-19 took its peak, like other manufacturers, Novabus had it's pausing and delays. As a result, that's why I ended up catching 9620(former pilot) on tape in Harlem. A year later, more of these came around starting in March 2021, and I ended up riding unit 9676 on the M2 Limited out of Manhattanville Depot. And, Manhattanville was the first depot(besides the pilot delivery) to have the production LFS HEVs. This is also followed by Kingsbridge, Gun Hill, Tuskegee Airmen, and Mother Clara Hale Depot receiving these newbies. As of June 6th, 2023; Mother Clara Hale gave these buses back to Manhattanville as they were loans. I haven't ride on them much, but they feel the same as the New Flyer XDE40(the hybrid Xcelsiors built by New Flyer Industries). Honestly, I prefer the XDE40s more than the LFS Hybrids. The HVAC unit on their rooftops are another feature I am intrigued about with a maximized efficiency compared to the older generations. These buses are here to stay, as they are helping New York City to go greener, even with the incoming fully electric battery powered buses.
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[@milestone_achiever4634]

I read some recent info about upcoming bus purchases. There is some New Flyer hydrogen electric powered buses coming. 90 new artics and Nova LFSe models.
Since Nova announced that they are leaving the US, who will build these 90 artics?? And how will the MTA receive future Novas. It will be very difficult. There are some Van Hool buses being purchased. I wonder what model.
About another 348 more 40 foot buses are coming. Apparently they want to order 243 new articulated buses. Bear in mind , all of our Nova and New Flyer artics are just over 10 years old. They can get 20 years out of these buses. It is still too early to retire them and they still run very well.
They want to order 380 electric buses. They want to order 383 CNGs. Are they quick to retire the c40LFs??. They are just over 10 years old and have plenty of life left in them. Way too early for this.
Then they want to order 250 additional Prevost X3-45s. They already have at least 500 of these. We all thought the MTA would purchase the MCI D45CRT to replace whatever motorcoaches are left to replace. And lastly they want to purchase 210 hybrids. If this is all true , the MTA is making some huge mistakes here.

[@maxwish9471]

I noticed the swap between Manhattanville and Quill in May, 2022. I saw one of these running on the M42, and XDE40s running on the M11.

[@PlanetFitnessandTechKids]

They also feature Vianova screens and spectrum destination sign

[@RainbowSpinDashIsawesome]

It's been a while since I watched one of your bus reviews. Good job reviewing the 2020-21 Nova LFS 👏

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

Thank you. I was posting this all over for you to find this easily.

[@maxwish9471]

I was in a car service entering Manhattan with my grandparents, and I caught Bus 9666 😧!

[@maxwish9471]

I am an Xcelsior fan just like you. I am with you these buses should only be in Manhattan and The Bronx.

[@maxwish9471]

I have rode these buses on the M5, M20 and M31 lines. I remember the swap with the 2021-22 XDE40s from Quill going to Manhattanville, and these buses coming to Quill. I have seen many of these lines near Columbus Circle before. I also remember seeing these near the Museum of the City of New York City.

[@maxwish9471]

I think these match the M100 most out of Kingsbridge, because the M100 is in Manhattan, when Manhattanville, Quill, and Tuskegee Airmen have these.

[@maxwish9471]

I first saw these buses on the M11 with Next Gens as well in June, 2021.

[@maxwish9471]

I was happy to see these in Manhattan, because beginning in 2021, I started to not like Orion VII HEVs anymore.

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

Manhattanville was so boring for so long in the 2010s.

[@PlanetFitnessandTechKids]

14:03 The depots that can get any Xcelsiors (depends on the type) are mostly Brooklyn, and Manhattan.

[@PlanetFitnessandTechKids]

Unlike the Bronx, KB and the rest of the Bronx division wants to increase the comfort of seating arrangement, which is why they have the mostly oriented LFSs

[@maxwish9471]

I consider these one of the most accessible bus models in the city, especially by the wide front and rear doors. Although I find it interesting these buses do not have inward doors, because the new LFSs, XD40s, and XE40s do.

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

Outdoor rear doors are the Venturas and the inward folding doors are the pneumatics

[@MarkBustos2]

I do like these NovaBus LFS HEV. I hope the MTA purchase the CNG version. The only thing I don't like is the Luminator Spectrum LED display. Personally I prefer the Hanover Displays seen on the 2016-19 LFSA & 2018-19 LFS.

[@PlanetFitnessandTechKids]

14:49
The 2019 LFSs are replacing these buses at Yukon Depot. Also, these buses along with the XDE40s, newer 40 ft diesel buses are replaces the remaining ones.

[@equanjonesthetransitfanner]

Yay another bus review!

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

After Kinemaster subscription cuts.

[@R262SubwayTrain]

I love these buses

[@McDonaldsandBrooklyn]

12:38 This reminded me a lot of the R179’s door issue back in January 2020.

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

1 year gap of electrified equipment and techs these days

[@maxwish9471]

I saw videos of 2023 Novabus LFSs running out of Baisley Park and JFK Depots. However, I have not seen them running on the Q22, Q35 and Q41.

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

Q22, 35, and 41 are covered by Far Rockaway Depot. So, if more went to FR, we will see these LFS run these routes.

[@Thamsdwolfnycofficial_8420]

Nice video.

[@matthewrichardlawrence3526]

Nice bus review !

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

Thank you

[@PlanetFitnessandTechKids]

14:03 Brooklyn has Xcelsiors since 2011. Video shows a 2021 XDE40 out of ENY Depot.

[@PlanetFitnessandTechKids]

2:03 Same with the XDE40s

[@maxwish9471]

I think there should be a 9911, instead of a 9666.

[@maxwish9471]

I have had such experience with these buses in going to Manhattan, that I’d like to create my own review. What steps do you take to create a video on each particular bus model?

[@maxwish9471]

Cedric?

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

1. Gather Photos and videos you want to use.
2. Gather music
3. Make a script on the history, story, and the conclusion
4. Record your voice on a camera face down
5. Make the intro, the speech parts, and the outro with the media amd music in place.

[@maxwish9471]

Thank you Cedric!

[@maxwish9471]

I will practice. I already have my playlist.

[@maxwish9471]

Seeing these buses on the M72 has been interesting, because Orion VII HEVs haven’t run much service on the M66 and M72. It made more sense with the 2019 XD40s, because they replaced the 1999 RTSs.

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

Here is the hazard reason why those Orion VII OGs didn't run these 2 routes. The transverse tunnel they drive through, the sharp roof edges those buses have can be touching the arch. That's why the LFS and Xcelsiors can run through because of their round edges.

[@maxwish9471]

It was interesting for Manhattanville, Mother Clara Hale, Tuskegee Airmen, Baisley Park, and Far Rockaway/JFK Depots not to have new standard buses before 2021.

[@Bobby_9538]

I’ve rode these buses because I live in the Bronx I rode them on the bx7 and m100 then M2 M3 M4 and M5 in Manhattan.

[@PlanetFitnessandTechKids]

12:28 The XDE40s, Coneheads and the 2022 XD40s have these wide rear doors

[@maxwish9471]

Why is the Bx9 not always an articulated Route?

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

IDK. I don't focus on the Bronx much like that

[@PlanetFitnessandTechKids]

Request: KB Depot review

[@kaytas3900]

Happy belated birthday Cedric!🎉 My son loves your videos! You should consider making another channel dedicated to music because you always play the best jams!😊🎶

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

Hmmm, I also have a vlog channel. Jardel TV.

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

Also, I am happy for your son watching mine like a radio station

[@PlanetFitnessandTechKids]

ALERT: There will be no more buses from Nova Bus after 2025 after it leaves US and close the Plattsburgh plant. The company cited continuing financial losses in its decision to restructure operations to focus on Canada.

[@christopherlok8726]

Where will they go? Or will they completely stop building worldwide.

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

They'll be built from Canada only. Novabus is a Canadian company and will continue building

[@PlanetFitnessandTechKids]

@@AutomotiveTaurus I found this on Wikipedia: On June 21, 2023, Nova Bus announced that it would again exit the United States market in 2025, and close the Plattsburgh plant. The company cited continuing financial losses in its decision to restructure operations to focus on Canada.

[@PlanetFitnessandTechKids]

3:19 XD60 sits behind 9665

[@jamesrapp1373]

Is there ever gana be 9911

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

That's next bus model

[@jamesrapp1373]

Is the m31 gana Chang depots becas it has not a nut buses

[@railbusfannerandrailroadfa2271]

Did these buses came from New Jersey and got delivered to all depots in nyc?

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

Many did, may others went to sit in Zerega Facility in the Bronx

[@railbusfannerandrailroadfa2271]

@@AutomotiveTaurus no problem i understand

[@PlanetFitnessandTechKids]

12:29 The old LFSs and the LFSAs have these type of door closings

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

These are called Pneumatic doors. I should've said that in the audio.

[@PlanetFitnessandTechKids]

@@AutomotiveTaurus Do XDE40 review

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

There is a 2018 XDE40 review done 2 years ago. Plus, the 2020-22 ones will be done in later months

[@PlanetFitnessandTechKids]

Next review: ENY Depot

[@AutomotiveTaurus]

Ummm, norlt this year. I did that in 2018 but I deleted it.

[@PlanetFitnessandTechKids]

@@AutomotiveTaurus not*

[@PlanetFitnessandTechKids]

14:11 There’s an XD60 behind that XDE40