Jimmy Butler struggles in Gm 5, how will his playoff run be remembered? | NBA | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- Last night Jimmy Butler and the Miami Heat were eliminated in Game 5 of the NBA Finals. Nick Wright, Chris Broussard, and Kevin Wildes debate how they will remember Butler’s 2023 playoff run.
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I am having audio issues with this video on 3 different devices. Is anyone else? Also I agree with nick, carrying to the finals then falling off is way better than anyone other than the champion.
@@tulponatix lmao. Gasol never led a finals appearance let alone two. At minimum Jimmy is on Iverson and Howard's level due to carrying an inferior team to a conference title.
@@tulponatix it has happened twice. It is not an anomaly. He plays better in the playoffs. It's not something we can write off now that it keeps happening. Pau is nowhere close, specifically because of the difference in the playoffs and Pau never being a special no 1 option.
Kevin Wildes is low-key underrated in the sports media landscape. He doesn't overtalk & still makes his points mixed w/humor.
I don't think he's underrated now. People know what's up
Wildes is a complete bro. We must protect him
His job is to be the “funny”1.
Yea I don't think he's underrated anymore most people know what he brings now 💪🏻💪🏻
i just wished he would talk a little more. right now it feels like 55/40/5 split between nick/brou/wildes
The smile Wildes gets on his face when he realizes he’s moments away from bashing Lebron about his hand. 🤣🤣 hilarious.
Wildes is the 🐐
Wildes hates LeBron so much that he lives rent free in his head even more than living in the head of Skip Bayless lmao, clown
You gotta credit Aaron Gordon, his defense this entire series made it tough for Jimmy.
AG stopped KAT, KD, and Lebron as well. Butler was just no exception.
Jimmy started struggling from Game 4 of Celtics series. He may have been tired or just had other personal issues going on.
@@tommygunn2782 Bam was good defensively, but offensively he was just as terrible as Jimmy sometimes. Missed some wide open layups.
@@tommygunn2782 the ones that are clearly undrafted right??
@@jamaicanqueen1058he was also injured since knicks
Nick did all of that just to say “He’s not that level” at the very end. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
bc everyone knows he’s not a superstar
He’s not at the level of a Giannis but I think he’s saying he’s on a level of a dame who is considered a superstar
Brou was fishing and got him good. Lol.
@@PeterParker-fs7ru Nick does not believe that. He was defending his club Superstar and ultimatly defending Lebron .
How is getting to the finals and losing worse than not making the finals at all
Ain't no way Nick Wright just tried to use Steph's Finals in 2016 as a reason not to say Jimmy had a bad Finals. EVERYBODY was killing Steph after that series, including Nick Wright
killed em yea, but nobody said hes not a superstar. thats nicks point.
@@bigag2182 because Steph was already a 2x MVP and a champion. Obviously nobody would question him being a superstar
@@bigag2182plus he picked the 1 anomaly Steph finals on which he was banged up in as well.
Nick and Brou really going at it . gotta love it
Wow Brou probably won that round
Brou was absolutely RIGHT; Jimmy did not show up the way he needed to THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE GAME_ As tight as the game was, Jimmy had every opportunity in the world to take control of the game and outside of the surge he had toward the end, he completely faded away.... That was Completely INEXCUSABLE.. PERIOD.🤷🤷
@@timothyobrien4785 but saying Jimmy isn’t a superstar anymore cause a bad finals but Dame is still a superstar cause he averaged 30 ppg for a losing team in the regular season was odd tho 🤣
@@phillybyrd34 that doesn’t take away from the public expectations of Jimmy when entering the finals. Nick is right in saying that Jimmy coming up short in the finals doesn’t eliminate him from superstar status because no one even believed that he would be there in the first place. Meanwhile players like Embiid, Tatum and Dame get to remain with their teams not even playing in JUNE. Please be serious.
@@warleyonwednesdays2286 Embiid, Tatum, and Dame reached their "Superstar" status because of the success they've had during the course of many regular seasons- granted they also had success in the postseason out of the 3 only Tatum has reached the Conference Finals or beyond.. Personally, I honestly do not view Embiid as a "Superstar", but the majority of the "Superstars" are currently the main featured faces of the NBA.. Jimmy on the other hand, was specifically described as a "Playoff Superstar" and he was crowned with that because of the way he played on his way to reaching the NBA Finals... He was walking every single bit of his talk leading up to the matchup with Denver- but then after Game 2, none of his talk was being validated at all_ If he hadn't did all the talking he was doing, this probably wouldn't have been such a big deal to anyone- he brought this on HIMSELF! He needed to step up and do what he had done the previous 3 rounds: RISE TO THE OCCASION and ANSWER THE CALL!!! He shrunk under the lights and let his entire team down... Can't do that when the game was THAT CLOSE TO BE TAKEN DOWN THE STRETCH..😒 JUST CAN'T DO IT!!🤦
Nick hates context that’s why he loves those “Blind Reveals” 😂😂
He argues like a twitter stan
Nick will dodge context to make his point every single time 🤣🤣🤣
I feel for Jimmy. He was definitely gassed, but if you're that superstar guy and true #1, you have to somehow bring it to another game for a chance to win. He had 8 points until the 4th quarter happened. Nick can't defend that no matter how much he tries.
they were overmatched how will he do it by himself
everybody is gassed.
I think he has a legitimate defense. He did not play well but His teammates werent any good. If u watch closely every time jimmy drives or dribbles help defense comes. The nuggets defense had absolutely no concern for anyone else on the court.
Gassed ? He was jogging around all game and standing in the corner. Missed freethrows & was aiming his jumper trying to will it in instead of shooting it. He totally lost confidence & got exposed as a glorified role player /foul merchant. He showed the masses why 76ers chose Tobias over him.
Yet he beat Giannis and Tatum 🤣
Loved how passionate but calm at the same time in this segment
And they never once insulted each other.
Grown men shouldn’t be this passionate about sports 😂
Broussard is spot on with this one. Any other superstar gets heavily criticized in this same situation
Was Steph heavily criticized for losing to the Lakers this year or for losing to the Lakers in the play-in 2 years ago?
Any other superstar who had an 8th seed team that was dead last in scoring in the regular season with 7 undrafted players and their second best scorer missing the whole playoffs would get a pass, kind like Jokic the last two years, only he didb't make the finals like Jimmy did
@@samuelgaona7196 actual superstars would be killed for just being the 8 seed
@@user-id4oi3hl7b Jokic was a 6th seed and everyone made excuses for him, Westbrook was a 6th seed and they gave him an MVP, Steph missed the playoffs and he got a pass
@@user-id4oi3hl7b Steph wasn't killed 2 years ago 🤷🏾♂️
4:05 “I’ve sat here quietly…” round of applause for the first time Nick Wright hasn’t interrupted his co-hosts after being on the show for over 5yrs 👏👏👏👏👏
It's nothing to say when you're wrong. He had no choice.
And round of applause for Brusard for staying true to who he is and interrupting every 8 seconds of Nick talking because he can’t control himself 😂🤣. They all interrupt, but at least Nick will sit back and listen when he knows it’s an important topic. Chris is like NOPE, FK that!! 😂🤣😆😆
Wildes with that lebron burn is the greatest thing he has ever said.....this man is timeless💯💯🏆
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YOOOOOO! aaaahahaha!
You can see how much nick was triggered by that. What a lebron fanboy.
rent free
The was trash
Broussard is 100% right. You can tell if a player is a superstar by the pressure he gets from the fans and the media. When Jimmy plays great, everyone praises him. When he plays bad, no one says anything about it. That tells you everything you need to know. He's a great player and a star in this league, just not a superstar.
Nick is correct. How can you possibly say Joel Embiid is more of a superstar then Jimmy when Jimmy has accomplished more in the postseason where it actually matters. MVPs are only bolstered by postseason success. NOBODY, despite how great AI was, gives him credit for that MVP, they give him more credit for winning that one game against Shaq and Kobe.
Because it's a team sport, heat lost because their role players didn't give them any significant contribution like they did earlier series, Jimmy wasn't even an all star, you can't be a superstar based on a few series in the playoffs, comeon man, he did well, they had a great run and he plays well in the playoffs but Jimmy ain't a superstar neither did his numbers in the playoffs was that explosive
Nah it’s the opposite. Iverson winning a game against maybe best team ever in finals was the icing on the cake of the year that made him a legend. That game wasn’t the cake. The legendary mvp year while Leading a rag tag Philly team to #1 seed and leading the league in points, steals and minutes was the cake.
FACTS
Embiid chokes every year I'm tired of hearing about him. That MVP belongs to Joker
@jimwilson272 Does Embiid make his teammates better ?
Jimmy was never the same after the ankle injury.
That turnover by your best player Butler took the life out of the Heat & their fans literally 😵
His late hot hand gave them the life anyways.
if he doesnt get a garbage call or have someone go for the shot fake hes not that good ...guy gets calls like lebron for no reason
@@michaeltinney8031like lebron? Lebron dosent even avg 5 free throws a game that’s literally 2-3 foul calls😂😂😂
They already seen LeBron so that.
That truly was an inexcusable turnover. Go up strong to the hoop and get fouled and go to the stripe? Nah, ima just throw it to Denver 😂
Nick just proved their point with the Steph/Jimmy blind reveal. 1st of all EVERYONE destroyed Steph for the 2016 Finals in the media and fandom (so he is clearly doing revisionist history there once again to make Lebron special even in victimhood), and 2nd the fact that everyone to this day 8 years later still says he was awful in that series and that single performance even translated into a ridiculous "bad Finals/playoffs player" narrative bout him, while he was better than Jimmy Butler in virtually every statistical department and impact wise CLEARLY shows he is held to a much different standard.
Everyone destroyed the Warriors, not just Steph. A lot of ppl blamed Green. The difference here, Jimmy didnt have a 73 win team
@@erinkandola yeah but greens criticism was for getting himself suspended
@@timmartin2417 A lot of people blamed him for giving the Cavs life
@@erinkandolaI get it wouldn’t you say that still falls around the getting himself suspended…like it’s centered around the same thing
@@timmartin2417 Sure. My point is, it wasnt just Steph getting killed.
If Jimmy has a 73 win team, I feel holding him to the same level of criticism would be fair. But Jimmy took a 8 seed team to the finals. And no one killed Steph when he missed the playoffs.
Just do this thought experiment. Imagine the nuggets lost these finals, even in 7 games, and Jokic had the exact game and stat line that butler had. Would Nick be giving Jokic a pass? He would say yes, but we all know the answer is no. He would be tearing him to shreds and that proves brou’s point
Facts. He was killing Jokic for taking a team to the playoffs last year that had several dudes in the starting lineup who aren't even NBA players anymore! And Jokic's numbers were better than Butler's.....the efficiency numbers were WAY better.
Butler isn't even on the same planet as Jokic.
Joker has a way better team and is the bigger player and if he’s rlly better than Jimmy by far then he should get critiqued for losing to him especially since the narrative around Jimmy butler for years has been he’s not that good even tho he’s been to a finals before Jokic and Tatum and Embiid and Luka wit a less better team
JOKIC IS A 2X MVP AND A DECLARED SUPERSTAR. Best player on your team doesn’t mean super star. One of the best players in the conference doesn’t mean superstar. I don’t get what’s so hard for people to understand that
No because Jokic is playing for being the best player on the planet and is an MVP, Jimmy clearly isn't. If you're considered the best player on the planet and are a multi time MVP you don't get excuses.
Did Jimmy Butler elevate his star status this postseason? Yes.
Did Jimmy Butler elevate his star status to Superstar this postseason? No.
Yea Jimmy burns out same thing happened vs Lakers...if they get Dame and Jimmy the 2nd star they can def win a chip though
Except he did. Jimmy is better than Tatum and Embiid. Most people consider those dudes superstars and he's been way more successful than those dudes in the postseason and has done it with less. No way is Tatum taking this Heat team to the Finals.
@@TruthDissidentlmaoo
How not? He took an 8 seed to the finals beating the top 2 seeds in the east (who have multiple superstars) and he was the only reason they got as far as they did
i thought to myself what is he known for? jimmy is a top tier role player. he's not know for anything. hes not a scorer, not 3pt shooter, not a slasher, not an elite defender.
It will fade in history pretty quickly, history remembers the winners and he didn’t play well in the Finals
No it doesn’t. Lebrons 07 run and iverson 01 are brought up all the time. This was an 8 seed play in team that made the title. It was absolutely incredible.
That’s not true at all. AI, LeBron in 07 and 18, and Jimmy in 23 are legendary runs and will be remembered.
@@kleatise52 No one remembers LeBron's run in 2007... especially not as a legendary one... even more so, because Dwayne Wade done it a year before and won it... to be fair though that Cavs team was probably the second worse team ever coming to the Finals... only the 2018 Cavaliers were worse... and yes... 2018 run was much more legendary for LeBron... basically because he went God Mode and carried a tanking team to the Finals... eliminating pretty decent teams on his path basically just by inspiring fear in the East... Lebronto would still be a thing if it wasn't for Kawhi...
@@jasonb97 how old are you? You remember 2018 but not 2007? 2007 he scored 29 of the last 30 points and 25 straight to will his team past the pistons. Legendary. I don’t know where you live but people bring it up all the time in nba discourse
I know if Booker had that game everyone would be talking about it
This is the best sports show period. They're funny they have great chemistry and they actually know what they're talking about. What separates this group is that they're not unfair or biased towards certain teams/players, although nick sometimes is but he's still pretty fair. Love this show I preferred it in the morning though.
Facts, Undisputed to me jumped the shark and Skip got old and stale. This show took the lead when these guys got in the studio this year
Sometimes they have no fn clue what they are talking about lol
They are entertaining though.
Nick does not know basketball at all. And he is super biased all the time. But the show is good and the chemestry is perfect.
Jimmy should have never been considered a superstar. Superstars players used to be the top 1% player and not the harder working over achievers. Chauncey Billups was a hardworking over achiever and a finals MVP but never a superstar. Derrick Rose was a league MVP and transcendent player and was a superstar
You're right, but aren't you the guy that said Nash is better at everything than jokic but jokic is just taller? I'm not sure your opinion should be taken seriously.
@@krisxchirbas9503 what I said about Nash is still true. You would like someone who didn’t see him play. Nash was one of the few 40, 50, 90 players and he did that while only being about 6’2” and being an average athlete. Him impact on winning was also unquestionable which is why he was also a 2 time MVP. If Joker kept the same athleticism and skills but was 6’2”, do you think he would have the same impact?
He would bring up steph like lebron didn’t average 18 points in a finals and then argue that steph is never killed when he’s one of the main steph haters 😂😂 perspective from Lemeatriders always perplex me
Thing is LeBron was killed and is killed for the 2011 finals. You literally just brought it up to critique him. Steph also was killed because steph and LeBron are all time great players.
Butler reminds me of Tatum. When he is playing well he looks like an unstoppable Hall of Famer. Then the next game he goes 4-17 for 14 points and you wonder if HD is even on the court he is so invisible most the game.
But he's been better than Tatum in the playoffs the past 4 years with lesser talent. And no1 killed Tatum when they lost to the heat. They gave him excuses etc
jimmy didn't just play bad, he played scared.
@@marcelsansalone3829 That is possibly true, but they both suffer from the same problems-wayyyy too inconsistent. Both disappear too often. Broussard is right. Both of them kind of get passes because deep down, everyone knows that Butler are Tatum are 1 or 2 Tiers below the Giannis and Jokic caliber who bring it every single game.
@Jason Janisewski tatum disappears much more is one. Butler has done more with much less than any superstar in recent memory. But he is at the tail end of superstar, not at the level of jokic, lebron, giannis, steph, but he is on the back end with Tatum, Dame, AD
@@marcelsansalone3829 so Jimmy butler in his prime has been (Barely) better in the playoffs than 21-25 year old Jayson Tatum? Wow, so impressive. And I must have imagined that season with Embiid I guess
The shot at Lebron broke Nick Wright heart 😂
All of these guys make great arguments to the point that they’re so close to completely agreeing with each other but point out just enough to make compelling arguments to disagree! Great job! Great show!
Wyldes “come on” is the most hilarious thing I have heard in weeks 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wildes and his passive LeBron attacks 😂 so good
Jimmy Butler did not get this team anywhere but out the first round the rest of it was the team playing great
Giannis was injured. If it wasn't for that Miami would have BEEN out. Then Julius was injured. Then Tatum.
@@trutru9018Julius injured? What!!!! Jimmy Butler hurt his ankle too. Randle isn’t even good. Man was getting benched because he was playing poorly.
Facts
@@trutru9018 pretty sure the Knicks played better without Randle in which shouldn’t happen with your “best player” on the team
exactly. their role players were shooting the 3 better than the prime warriors for the 2nd and 3rd round
8:04 to 8:27 is the legacy of Skip Bayless
Nick, “When has Steph ever gotten killed?”
Me, a sane individual “Bro BY YOU!!!!”
Steph doesn't get the level of criticism as any other superstar.
Geez Nick, people roast Curry over his performance in the 2016 finals TO THIS DAY.
@@Jamthecooleratorjust him tho
@@23lacrossSteph be getting triple teamed and they still get mad when he dont drop 30....Jimmy barely see a double and people dont say nothing when he has 17...he is a great player but not a top 10 player
@@theoriginaltroll388 He is most definitely a top ten player. Top ten players take their team to the Finals as the best player.
Wildes 😂😂😂😂😂
Wilde's with the LeCast jab. On fire! 🔥🔥🔥
Jimmy was suppppeeerrrr passive with these drive and kicks not sure what happened to his tenacity but it seemed to have completely disappeared. Everytime he'd drive you'd be like ok this is the time he puts his head down and drives or takes a free throw line jumper, and then he'd pass it out to a semi covered or not well positioned 3 point shooter
He literally ruined the offense doing that. It’s one thing when you do it effectively and kick it out to an OPEN shooter. He was kicking it out to guys who had defenders breathing down their necks and they were forced to restart their offense every time. Truly perplexing decisions from Jimmy in this series
I totally agree!
That "Game Ending Turnover" 😂
Kevin Wildes taking shots at LeBron about broken hand is the funniest thing. I loooove it though 🤣🤣🤣
Don’t you dare make fun of Bron he’s bigger, stronger, faster, has more steals more blocks…
I can honestly say for once I was just as frustrated as Nick on this one. Others get killed because of the projection of what they are going to do. Nobody went into the finals thinking Jimmy was going to be this monster of a game changer. When you compare Jimmy to others, you will see those other superstars expectations were way higher than his. He is a superstar in his own right not comparable to many others imo
Nick was wrong on this one. The reason. Can you imagine if KD had put up 21 points a game in the Finals? He would be getting called a snake and bus rider at every turn. And he has played in the Finals and won so this isn’t a what if. Tatum got killed last year for his performance. LeBron gets mocked for 2011.
Nick brought up Steph in 2016 as an example which doesn’t make sense as people did criticize icier that and turned it into a meme, plus Skip Bayless and Rob Parker still hold that series against him and say he was carried by KD.
The point here is, Butler not getting that treatment proves he isn’t in that tier.
Nick even said to close out the segment that Jimmy isn't at that top tier level, which was Brou's argument.
no i \think you meant to say "he is a superstar in his own mind".... which is correct... he is simply not all that good
Jimmy is a clown always promising victories but afraid of going in the paint and instead Bricking shots.
100% on Nick
I love nicks point at 9:20. So much of sports talk is trying to talk down on players.
And Nick talks down on players constantly
including nick. It’s all about spin. He wrong about the heat and jimmy.
And Nick does that more than almost anybody. He called Jokic the worst MVP in 50 years and said him winning t eh second one “ruined the prestige of the award.”
Or how about the way he talks about Kyrie, he says a player who was literally a key contributor to a championship is “not a winning player.”
Or take a look at literally any segment about Josh Allen. Nick is no better than anyone else when it comes to that.
He's the last person that needs to be talking. Imagine if joker had the performance Butler did
He's the king of it. "Jokic worst mvp in history".
The funniest thing was Spoelstra talking after game 4 "we gotta bring this back to 305". I was thinking, bro, you just had two games at 305 and you lost both. LOL
love the big energy from this episode lol
“Game ending turnover.” Not just by Butler but also by Nick by contradicting his good points by saying he’s not on that level at the end lol.
I love how Chris still never understands what Nick is saying.
Great comment
This
It's a lot of superstars that haven't had the type of playoff success Jimmy has. Y'all need to decide when a player's performance is more meaningful ... in the regular season or in the playoffs. Also, Jimmy has expressed that his concerns are about team success. He doesn't care about individual stats or superstar status. In other words, this topic is low hanging fruit for y'all.
History is judged by the winners
@@theoriginaltroll388 that’s how a casual judges history
Well if you deem playoff performance more important , jimmy was mediocre against the Celtics and the nuggets
But they were the 8th seed, can’t preach team success and not be successful
@@ASMRSpiderman mediocre or not, he got to the finals. That in and of itself is an achievement other “superstars” haven’t reached yet.
10:35 keep that same energy when the Hurts v Herbert convo comes back around
Nick thinks he’s cheeky. Adding Steph 2016 but totally ignoring Lebron’s 2011 flameout. Less than 20PPG and a single digit point game 😂😂😂
Nick hates Steph curry with a deep passion for sum reason
He was comparing similar statlines. Putting 2011 Lebron wouldn't really make sense in this context
I agree with Brou on this. NO ONE is saying Butler isnt a great player, he just isn't on the TOP tier with a very select number of players. Lebron. Durant, Embiid, Jokic, Giannis, Tatum have ALL been killed for coming up short in ANY series they lost...finals or otherwise. If Butler was held in that same light then more people would be giving Butler more criticism. That's all the argument is. He did great this post season....just not a superstar.
I see your point but also consider the fact that every player u just named has a better supporting cast or at least another player teams have to respect . The nuggets defense had no respect for any other heat player and made it very difficult fir jimmy
Embiid would have been swept by the Bucks if he had to swap places with Jimmy
Durant has never been killed for coming up short, if anything there are still crazy ppl out there like Stephen A. and &cia who say he is the best player in the world even after 2 years straight of bad playoff performances for superstar standards both individually and team wise. Curry has been mocked and roasted for a Finals that happened 8 years ago, and due to what was LITERALLY the only bad playoff performance in his career, people created a narrative about him being a bad playoff/Finals guy when that's ridiculous and blatantly false as it's the other way around, all this while being a 6'2 PG who apparently can't be the best because of his size (according to the same Stephen A.), but can only receive the criticism of being the best. That is what really being judged by different rules looks like.
How is Tatum a superstar when he’s done less than jimmy with a championship caliber roster….
@@comebackkid5976you fans are so ridiculous comparing a 33 year old Jimmy Butler to a 25 year old Tatum! Honestly it’s embarrassing 🥴
Nick Wrong really needs to take his head out of the sand. He gets called out for LeBrick's infamous 2018 NBA Finals hand injury "excuse" and now he's being called out for calling the Joker overrated. Loving every second of it.
This was awesome 😎
The passion ahaha
No it actually reminds me of Iverson getting the sixers to the finals, y'all praise Iverson so give the same to jimmy because unlike Iverson Butler been too the finals twice and in 4 years....stop tripping....😡💯
Nah man. Iverson won multiple scoring titles while being under 6ft in a league of trees. Iverson has won an MVP
But it's not just about getting there. Obviously that's a great accomplishment but Jimmy avg 22 pts in the Finals and AI avg 35 pts. Both lost to the better team but Jimmy didn't play well. The game they won Jimmy only gave them 21, Vincent was the best offensive player that game. I think you can both give Jimmy credit for getting there and say he came up small in the Finals.
The media have been overrating Jimmy this whole post season, now most people are coming to realise that fact. Nick is still a little stuck on him for whatever reason... Maybe if he didn't put him in Club Superstar prematurely.
This playoff-run was more legendary, than Bron dragging the Cavs to the finals, in Bron's second season. I don't think anybody in the history of the league, has lead a team like this to the finals. The closest thing might be the bubble-Heat, when Jimmy led them to the finals. This is the first team in the history of the league, to make the finals, as both a play-in team, and as an eight-seed. This doesn't only cement Jimmy as a superstar. This elevates his position on the all-time list.
Allen Iverson leading PHI to the finals, and Bron the Cavs, are used constantly as arguments for greatness. Jimmy's feat was far greater. Isiah Thomas' ankle-game, a single playoff-game, is brought up every time Isiah is mentioned. Jimmy played three whole series of playoff-basketball, on an injured ankle.
Jimmy Butler is now a top-2 small forward in the league. And, all time, he is at least inside top-5 small forwards, now.
@@penkima4923 You are capping like you only started following basketball this year. So wrong on so may levels it isnt even worth talking about.
@@nathandodson3220 Jimmy eliminated your team. But, then, Jimmy has done that to five other teams, as well.
2 guys arguing with no bass in their voice is hilarious 😂
Great segment!
Obviously Jimmy ran out of gas. The 3 extra games against the Celtics hurt the Heat as a whole.
Guys, we must never let Nick forget, perhaps the worst Take in Take history: "Jokic might be the worst MVP in NBA history"
Comment that on every of his videos and tweets
"Comment that on every of his videos and tweets". How old are you? It was his opinion and it's ok to disagree.
That's nothing on Perk's Jokic slander.
Context. At the time, he wasn’t that off.
@@dreddmann6532 that's not an opinion that's just being hateful and mean
@@sherqyanstromain9580 So ones opinion cannot be "hateful and mean?" It seems you don't grasp the meaning of somebody's opinion.
after seeing skip and shannon break up … this show holds an even more of a special place wit me best chemistry on sport tv
great job Nick 💯
5-18 from your star is horrendous in a win or go to Cancun game. It’s also annoying to watch Jimmy throw the ball up, without trying to make it, while hoping for contact and a foul: soft.
It wasn't pretty. But, I also think, that they wouldn't be there shooting bricks, if it wasn't for Jimmy.
Wonder how much fatigue played into it? This was Miami’s 25th game also coming off of a 7 games series where as Denver played 20 with a week off
Hes also beem playing hurt since the knicks series
My guy they just not good enough to beat the nuggets fatigue has nothing todo with it
As a nuggets fan, we honestly didn’t even play well at home this series and still won in 5🤣 Miami is no more than a team that got to this point based completely off of grit and toughness, there was never a point they were the best team in the east and barely got past the play in to begin with
Love there passion for the game.
Wildes' made some GREAT points this segment
How many times will someone bring up the Pistons that LeBron beat in 2007, and not mention that they weren't a championship team and didn't have the defense of Ben Wallace there because he was on Chicago eliminating Shaq and DWade in the first round of that playoffs (eliminated by thr Pistons in the next round)
Brons 07 run is overrated
3:00 Nick is the Michael Jordan of Bronsexuals.
You could have threaten the children in his family and he wouldn't have been as defensive
Don't watch him then
Wildes is the best sports commentator. He entertains every video.
Full stop.
i think Nicks right, the fact that the media criticizes “superstars” to a standard it changes who we define as superstars
Thank you Nick for sticking by the Heat and Jimmy 🙏🏾🔥 What he did to bring the Heat to the Finals AGAIN can't be understated.
Not even the best player on the team. Bam is.
What did Jimmy? Pray for injuries? Cuz thats the only reason the Heat got this far
@@manz7860 You can't be this dumb. Bam had 2 points in the second half.
Also fun fact, of all the players in the last 4 years to have made an allstar team, Jimmy Butler in those 4 years has the most games where he has scored less than 20 points.
Give this show the Undisputed slot
I love how Wildes just slid in Jimmy not blaming the Ankle, verses the other HAND🤣
Nick was rattled straight from that moment on🤣
I dont always agree with nick but he easily won this debate. Jimmy is one of the best players in the league and the best leader
I think it has to do more with the fan base.
The feeling I’m getting, as a Heat fan, is that we are ultimately disappointed in Jimmy, but this run confirmed we need more and Jimmy can’t bring us the chip alone.
However, The reason we aren’t critical is because we don’t doubt for a second he did not give his everything. So we don’t wanna tear down our guy for giving 100% but we are being realistic with our situation.
Other fan bases? Would tear their own guys up. Look at Boston and how they’re tearing their big three. They wanna get rid of them! It’s wild.
Very few superstars can win the chip alone. We only get a Hakeem or Dirk like run every once in a blue moon. Jimmy is still great.
@@foghornfoggyface True, good point. Which is what I think Nick was trying to articulate. Jimmy IS Superstar and great players. Just because he wasn’t able to win the chip alone doesn’t mean he’s not.
You disappointed in Jimmy taking a trash team to the finals. 😂😂
@@ViewsOfLife Well, the team as a whole, but Jimmy steers the ship. This play-off series was nowhere near the level he needed to play in order to even have a chance.
It’s been 4 years with 2 finals appearances and nothing to show for it. Like I said, we’re not out here ripping jimmy. Just saying it how it is. He has given it all he has but it’s not enough, he needs helpZ
It’s like in the series vs the bucks Jimmy went full Michael jordan mode taking most of the shots. In this series he looked scared out there to do anything. Idk what happened
Did Nick really compare Jimmy’s finals to Steph’s 2016 finals, where they blew the 3-1 and immediately recruited KD after? 😂
Lol Jimmy ringless 0-2 in the finals😂🤣 he make appearances to lose at this point got gentlrman swept and u right he shouldn't compare to steph jimmy won 3 games in the last 2 finals combined.😂😂😂
This is a great debate.
I do honestly believe Jimmy is a superstar so I don’t agree with Chris but I do agree that if we are gonna have him at the superstar table he has to be treated like one and he didn’t perform like one in the finals . This is coming from a heat fan , and I do believe he is a superstar, but man this finals he didn’t play like one even tho I feel just like bron in 2007 and 2018 he had little to no help , maybe one guy step up a game but unlike lebron those years , Jimmy failed to show up on the finals
Bro I'm a Celtics fan and he IS a superstar. Idk wtf all these media heads are talking about. I've seen him terrorise the Celtics enough and watched him carry the Heat to two finals and barely lose game 7 ECF last year. He's done so much more in the playoffs than many other players we consider "superstars".
Lol Brou ppl brought that Steph stuff up when saying he's the best PG of all-time or putting him in the Top 10 when the other 10 already listed had won FMVPs... nobody was using that as a "well Steph isn't a superstar" argument
Bottom line, if you think Tatum is a superstar you gotta think Jimmy is as well... just don't really see away around it when the chips are all on the table...
Easily JT is a superstar
Jimmy is not
it’s that simple
Naw ppl brought that up since 2016 and used iggy winning fmvp prior to say he not good enough it had nothing to do with Steph all time rankings or top 10s alltime. that convo only been the last 2 years after. curry won Fmvp...revisionist history
3:01 BEAST!!!
Best trio on sports talk. Best sports talk show. 3 complete different personalities.
It's wild to see how much disrespect Jimmy has gotten just because he had a tough Finals against one of the best teams in a while, while playing as the 8th seed 💀 let's not forget he got the gentleman's sweep. Lebron and AD just got swept by this team 💀💀💀
The disrespect is well deserved if y’all consider him a superstar
What about being up 3-0 against the Celtics and almost fumbling the series and coming into the finals with only 2 days rest instead of maybe 4-6 days rest.
Pretty much all but 1 of the 4 games that the Heat lost were all in distance. They were close games. If Butler played good this series, they might have been more competitive
Just like Lebron in 07', their great #1 defense made all games single digit losses but Lebron playing worse than Jason Tatum in last years Finals made sure they got swept, atleast Jimmy Butler beat some juggernauts on his way to the Finals this year, not the 41-41 Wizards and Nets and the crumbling Pistons already without Ben Wallace (who never came back to being a contender, let alone a decent team after that ECF)
@@replicantona Revisionist history. Nobody thought 22 year old Lebron would beat that team, now he wins and they're crumbling
Jimmy Butler is a legend and doesn’t need a title for everyone to remember that. Heres a list of all time greats that never won a title elgin baylor, John Stockton, Allen Iverson, Charles Barkley, Tracy Mcgrady etc.
Thank-you,.Nick, for preaching the Truth! Folks want Superhuman performances.
I'm with Nick on this one - it seems missing the playoffs is better for a player's rep than losing in the finals.
he played poorly in the finals...nick is always playing a shell game with his arguments. no one made the argument that you're responding to.
But it's not the lost in itself, it's the fact that he didn't play great. Having a C+ Finals (Nick's words) is not good enough for a superstar, imo.
0:46 as a Detroiter, it’s annoyin knowing we didn’t have Ben Wallace on the teams.. he was the most important piece to that team.
Thank you. That DET-team is called Chauncey Billups' Pistons. Even though, Rip scored more points. And, Ben was already DPotY twice. It was actually Ben's Pistons.
best NBA analysts & great show!
2 finals appearances , 1 game 7 ECF away from a 3rd, a kawhi bounce away from an ECF.
He is hall of fame.
the ankle injury was definitely bothering him. the graphic Wildes put up clearly shows it. averaging 36 on 59% shooting before and then averaging 24 on 42% after. that's the main reason people aren't killing him. the second is that his teammates played way worse than he did. Strus, Vincent, and Martin all shot horribly. even if Jimmy was averaging 35, the Heat still lose this series.
Giannis with a hurt back still put up 38/20 and he's still getting killed
Jokic rolled his ankle in game 4 still put great numbers
@@LPjunemarkjimmys ankle was still swollen going into the Boston series…. Rolling vs having a 6’7 230+ pound dude step in it while rolling it are two different things
@@greatwhitesufi he shouldn’t. Neither should Jimmy
People forget this. Like it doesn’t effect the outcome.
Discussions like these need to have base parameters set, like how important is the regular season in comparison to the playoffs, is it 50/50, 25/75 or what. Because the overall consensus is the post season is where stars are made. Thats why a guy like kawhi is regarded as better than russ or harden and why nash isnt regarded as better than shaq or kobe. So in a league where the post season matters more, yea jimmy after this run is in this moment higher than a dame because hes been to the promised land basically 3 times. And isnt a scrub in the regular season either, bro was second team all nba lol.
It’s a catch 22 because regular season performance translates to playoff seeding,
I'm with Nick on this one. A bunch of people are considered superstars and don't get their teams as far as Jimmy did. He's a superstar but just got overmatched in the finals
Now that’s great television.
One of the RARE times I side with Wright. Broussard can't trash Butler and then immediately follow it up with "Nobody kills Jimmy for this performance". That makes no sense when you are doing it. On commentary, both Marc Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy called out Jimmy's poor performance and justifiably so. How is Jimmy getting a pass?
This postseason run cemented what real leaders are in Jimmy and Jokic. Why would you take Joel over Jimmy? Joel needs all of his teammates to adjust their games to setup for Joel's numbers. The 76ers were 13-5 including the 2 postseason wins without Joel. Everyone should take Jimmy over Joel for the season. Jimmy actually empowers his teammates and shows up when it matters.
Jimmy is a superstar. He needs to be praised for helping lead the Heat to the finals and criticized for underperforming in the finals. Both of which are happening. This is a nonsense discussion.
Glad some people can see through all the nonsense of media personalities not calling Jimmy a superstar!
Wildes triggering Nick with the injured hand comment was awesome.
Nick is making sense. CB the context argument just makes Nick's point more valid
Steph has been killed since 2016 and the entire media. In 17/18 he was "carried" by Durant even though in each series he only had one bad game and in 17 almost abwraged a triple double. In 19 he couldn't win without Durant or Klay, same as 2021, 2022 all of a sudden he had a superteam again. Everyone including you claim his title runs are fraudulent. Its all of course nonsense but it's what people have said.
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according to nick that didn’t happen
@@godisgoodgodisgreat3434 it's like he tries to deny he was on that bandwagon. He was on that bandwagon this year too saying the Warriors were the luckiest franchise ever because of Deaaron Fox's injury. Injuries happen every year and it's unfortunate but I've never seen it matter so much for anyone but Steph and the Warriors by salty fans/haters.
Man the media absolutely accept his titles with KD wtf are you talking about? People wouldn't be talking about Steph being top 10 all time if those runs were "fraudulent".
@@foghornfoggyface they accept them now that he's won another one without Durant. It's like Kobe without Shaq he didn't get validated until then by a lot of the media.
Nick prematurely placed jimmy in club superstar and he’s been objectively bad since the bucks series and now trying to justify anointing him too soon. He also played poorly in the conference finals and had some no shows.
Exactly! It's one thing to lose to the better/more talented team but to avg 21 pts and have 8 points in the first 40 mins of a closeout game is unacceptable for a "Superstar"
His post game is great and he rebounds above his weight.
This was Great
not a superstar but lead his team to 2 finals appearances hmmmm🤔
A very perplexing player. A non superstar player who does superstar things. Then you have legit superstars who's never even lead their team to the Finals.
By Bru’s logic Allen Iverson wasn’t a superstar then
Iverson really wasn’t a superstar.
@@Chessbox09 all i’m saying is he’s a tier below the top superstars in the nba but he still is one at the end of the day. Think of Dame, Tatum, AD, etc. All in the same tier.
@@trollinthedungeon5255 Yes he was. He won an MVP, he won multiple scoring titles in a league of trees while being 6ft (most would say 5'10-5'11 who have met him), he changed pop culture in the late 90s-2000s and brought fame to a move every kid on the playground wanted to emulate. He was a superstar.
Nick got killed this segment lmaooo had him screaming lol
Nick did all that jus to agree in the end😂😂😂
Jimmy's playoff run is a bit overstated imo ...
1st round - beat Bucks with Giannis missing for 2 games.
2nd round - beat Knicks.... Ok.
ECF - beat Boston but Caleb Martin was MVP of the series.
Finals - One of the worst finals performances by a star in recent memory.
What am I missing? The media just needed something to talk about.
Facts 😂😂😂 I completely agree