Yup! Which is why I always say give Marvel some slack because not only has there been not more that 3 ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE titles(people act like everything after endgame is trash I see that comment a lot.), they are also dealing with some of the most convoluted and confusing storylines in fiction. I always say give Marvel a break! Comics are crazy
Well didn’t they say that the fantastic 4 film was going to be in the past and when they come to the MCU they’ll be in the present so in a way it’ll make sense
Man, I love your idea but hear me out. If when they arrive in the 616 it is years earlier than now. They could arrive right after the battle of New York, back in time, and now create a branched time line with the full OG crew and all ages will match up and everyone is alive. Reed then recognizes Tony as Doom and all sorts of confusion sets in when Doom arrives soon after. I think this could be fun.
THAT is actually a solid idea… but I wonder if they’re planning to make the F4 universe the main universe in the reboot since we don’t know as much about it and we will have the F4 in existence already 🤔 especially since they have the rights to all their characters now
What’s wild is that Kevin was around during the Chris Evans/jessica alba f4 days and there was an interview where Jessica said she pitched the idea of the third film that was supposed to happen to include Franklin Richards I wonder if there are elements of that pitch in this movie.
It may also be the montage of villains we allegedly will see in the FF film could also show pregnant Sue, delivery day Sue with baby Franklin, toddler Franklin, 4 year old Franklin with nanny Herbie, the same 4 year old displaying powers taking down a villain who he saw hurting his family, then he has the infamous "4 1/2" on his costume as he joins the FF in a battle, leading to the "current day" in their universe where he's 13, and will be so still when they are shunted to Battleworld.
Not only do I think Franklin being in the MCU would be totally awesome, but I think personally he may have some sort of role to play in a future young adventures team or series. Not sure what, but I can totally see it happening.
Use the fantastic four movie to bring back Agatha Harkness! Like in the comics, she can be the babysitter of Franklin Richards. She can hitch a ride to the new universe And then be alive again in battle world! It’s a reach, but if you want another strong which character it could be done, and I think people like her character
Why are you asking about Nathaniel Richards when he wasn't mentioned in this video? There are two people with that name: 1 - Reed Richards' father and 2 - Kang The Conquerer. Or did you mean to say Franklin Richards? As in Reed & Sue's son.
There was an issue during John Byrne’s run where Franklin used his immense powers to age himself into an adult because he got tired of his parents telling him he was too little to do stuff.
It definitely feels like they are trying to rush towards Doomsday at this point. It feels like there was so much more story they originally planned on telling before this point, but with everything that has happened they are now just sprinting to the next Avengers title
They could always pull the trick that Tommy and Billy did during Wanda vision where they quickly aged themselves. If Billy can do that then I'm sure that Franklin Richards who is even more powerful with morphing reality could do that.
I remember the first time I saw Franklin Richards in a comic book was in Fantastic Four issue # 249, where the Gladiator was uprooting the baxter building and decimating the fantastic four, and franklin richards attempted to save the day and use his immense powers to save everyone, but unfortunately, Reed Richards had recently did something to him to block him from using his powers, so Franklin was swatted away by the Gladiator and knocked unconscious. I hoped someday to see that in the MCU, the Gladiator vs The Fantastic Four.
My marvel timeline: 11/13/24 update -The infinity saga is loopers and the following sagas are all arranged by me. -All numbered (1,2,3,etc.) content is the MCU/sacred timeline. Those are the movies, shows and shorts that you want to watch in order. -Anything marked with a “•” is additional/optional content for the advanced fan (added by myself). -The key to the symbols are located at the bottom of the list. --infinity saga-- 1. Iron man 2.iron man 2 3.Incredible Hulk 4. The consultant (*marvel one shot) 5. Funny thing happened (*) 6. Thor 7. Capt. America 8. Agent Carter (*) •[@-Agent Carter] 9. Avengers •[A@-AOS S1:E6] 10. Item 47 (*) •[%-Cloak and dagger] •[@-Defenders saga] •[A@-AOS S1:E2-5] •[A@-AOS S1:E7] •[A@-AOS S1:E10-16] 11. Capt. America & winter soldier •[A@-AOS S1:E17-22] 12. Thor: dark world •[A@-Agents of shield S1:E8] •[A@-AOS S1:E1] 13. Iron man 3 14. All hail the king (*) 15. Guardians of the galaxy •[A@-AOS S2:E1-19] 16. Avengers: age of ultron •[A@-AOS S2:E20-22] •[A@-AOS S1:E9] 17. Ant man •[A@-AOS S3:E1-3(WIP)] •[@-Inhumans saga] 18. Capt. America: civil war 19. Black panther 20. Spider man: homecoming 21. Guardians of the galaxy 2 22. Dr. Strange 23. Thor: ragnarok 24. Infinity war 25. Ant man & the wasp 26. Capt. Marvel 27. Endgame ---after tony saga--- 28. Spider man: far from home 29. Thor: love and thunder 30. Falcon and the winter soldier 31. Black widow 32. Hawkeye 33. Guardians of the galaxy: xmas special 34. Guardians of the galaxy 3 35. Echo 36. Shang-chi 37. She hulk 38. Wakanda forever 39. Secret invasion 40. Moon knight 41. Werewolf by night 42. Wandavision --multiverse saga-- 43. Loki S1 44. What if S:1 45. Quantumania 46. Loki S:2 47. What if S:2 48. Madame web ($-Sonyverse) 49. Venom ($) 50. Into the spider verse ($) 51. Venom 2 ($) •[%-Spider man 1-3] •[%-Amazing Spider Man 1-2] 52. Spider man: no way home 53. Morbius ($) 54. Dr. Strange: multiverse of madness 55. Across the spider verse ($) 56. Venom 3 ($) 57. Ms. Marvel 58. The marvels •[@-X-men 96] 58. X-men 97 •[%-Fox X-men saga] 59. Deadpool 60. Deadpool 2 •[%-Fox Daredevil] •[%-Elektra] •[%-Fox Punisher] •[%-Fox Fantastic 4 (C. Evans version)] •[%-Rise of the silver surfer] •[%-Blade Trilogy] 61. Wolverine and Deadpool 62. Agatha all along 64. The eternals 65. Capt. America: brave new world(€) 66. Thunderbolts(€) -Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. watch in progress (WIP). Next up…legion and the runaways. -I included Deadpool Into the mcu timeline because he is now a part of the mcu and his three movies add to the continuity of the timeline. -I added the defenders, fox-verse, and agent Carter sagas to accompany the main timeline and fill in the gaps. -The new mutants does not fit in the timeline. I watched it and I can’t find any references to the list. Unreleased content as of 10/25/24: 1.Thunderbolts(€) 2.Capt. America: brave new world(€) 3.Fantastic 4 4Avengers: Doomsday 5.Avengers: Secret wars 6.Daredevil: born again 7.Ironheart 8.Your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man 9.Marvel zombies 10.Kraven 11.eyes of wakanda 12.Xmen97 S:2 13.What if… S:3 14.Wonder man 15.Spider-man Noir 16.Dr. Strange 3 17.Spider-man 4 18.The Midnight sons 19.Blade? €-from the looks of it, these two movies may continue where the eternals left off. We just have to wait and see (update: the eternals is the build up to CA brave new world and Thunderbolts so I placed it after Deadpool and Wolverine). @-stand-alone sagas that are seperate, but still contribute to the continuity of the sacred timeline. %-included for the hell of it. You don’t have to watch the fox movies, but it kinda adds to the WADP and SMNWH cameos. Separately, I also included Cloak and dagger under this category because it mentions Luke Cage and Misty. A-Agents of shield episodes that precede and/or proceed main events in the main MCU timeline Let me know what you think and enjoy the list! P.S. Madam web is trash. I put it there because it introduces the web of events, and opens up the 616 to the Sonyverse; post what if…S:2. May god have mercy on the souls of the people that made this movie.
I think they might tone down Franklin's abilities, making him less overpowered initially. They could limit his potential for now and gradually enhance his powers in future films.
I understand his points on the time, but isn’t Fantastic 4 set in the 60s in a different multiverse? wouldn’t they be able to negate the time jump he describes here when F4 comes into the 616?
I'm all about Dr Strange 3 and the Black Priests... then have Black Priest Dr Strange in Battleworld with Franklin Richards and Dr Doom and Scarlet Witch would be insane...too much to ask for a Rune King Thor?
Most important question now is actually how many people will be left with any real interest in it by the time one of those movies is made. There's obviously a growing, widespread hatred of Disney in general, and more and more people have realized the people in charge of the company care more about politics than story.
In order to do this story justice for not only us fans, but for the studio, itself, and the comic stories that they’re honoring, Marvel really needs to do a re-structuring of the plan. I say go ahead and play Phases 5 and 6 as they have planned only if Doomsday is a film that introduces Doom’s backstory, motivations, and plans. Then have Secret Wars be the equivalent of Infinity War where at the end Doom gains powers strong enough to create Battleworld, thus being an equivalent (if not better) cinematic moment as Thanos’s snap. From there, they could use a phase 7 as a sort of interlude phase that has all films either take place on Battleworld or be a prequel showing how certain characters ended up on Battleworld, such as the Xmen. Plus, the main characters of this set of Avengers I feel will be: Spider-Man, Mr Fantastic, Captain America, Captain Marvel, Black Panther, Shang Chi, Dr Strange, and Antman (with of course Thor and Hulk). One extra phase would help this multiversal experience very much, so I really don’t want them to rush to the end. It’d be a total disservice to not only Doom but RDJ himself to have him introduced and defeated in the same phase
Hey, what exactly does "the blip" mean in the MCU?? I thought it was the whole 5 years between snaps. To be "blipped" was to be dusted with the first one and brought back with the second,
It might be that Franklin would just age himself up, like he did in the comics. Though he physically became an adult that time, but Marvel always changes stuff when it comes to the MCU. So who knows?
Gotta get little T’Challa all grown up somehow!
No the time jump is about Franklin Richards
@ or both… plus I’m a year older than you, so I know better!
F That Character.
Time travel
@@TerrellAustin19941why?
How does Agatha daredevil and iron heart have to do with the multiverse saga but somehow Blade doesn’t
They've all been introduced already?
The other video I watched about leaks mentioned blade. Different channel though
@ little kid Blade was announced almost 6 years and was introduced in a cameo in the eternal
I don’t think marvel likes vampires and neither do I 1:24 still not happy about the whole Robert Downey Jr. becoming Dr. doom
Saving blade for the future.
I do not envy the writers and directors on these last few multiverse movies. I have faith but MAN this all sounds pretty complex!
Yup! Which is why I always say give Marvel some slack because not only has there been not more that 3 ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE titles(people act like everything after endgame is trash I see that comment a lot.), they are also dealing with some of the most convoluted and confusing storylines in fiction. I always say give Marvel a break! Comics are crazy
@@Grandmaster1upI think they’ve done a decent job with a few missteps. Ant-Man 3, really dropped the ball with that one.
@@Grandmaster1up agreed!
@@chrishealton3830 true
Thay just better get dr doom right.
Well didn’t they say that the fantastic 4 film was going to be in the past and when they come to the MCU they’ll be in the present so in a way it’ll make sense
The time jump is great because that opens doors for future movies and series of the in between things that they didn’t mention..
So excited
Man, I love your idea but hear me out. If when they arrive in the 616 it is years earlier than now. They could arrive right after the battle of New York, back in time, and now create a branched time line with the full OG crew and all ages will match up and everyone is alive. Reed then recognizes Tony as Doom and all sorts of confusion sets in when Doom arrives soon after. I think this could be fun.
Without a doubt, the flow and pace of the next 4 or 5 "Multiverse" films will be so important to keeping the audience connected.
THAT is actually a solid idea… but I wonder if they’re planning to make the F4 universe the main universe in the reboot since we don’t know as much about it and we will have the F4 in existence already 🤔 especially since they have the rights to all their characters now
I just figured once the Ff made it to the 616 that would be a huge time jump well depending on how the FF story evolves by the end of it
I truly think they're going to do the Fantastic Four in a different timeline honestly makes more sense
Cannot wait
Pretty sure they confirmed this already.
Duh 😂. He literally just sd that
They already confirmed that
Deadpool becomes the anchor being as an avenger and Thor cries 😢😅 upon his death caused by Dr. Doom. 😂 thanks MR. Everything Always; Always First.
The script will make or break all
I wouldn't be surprised to see a time jump eventually in the MCU. Seems like a good time for it
What’s wild is that Kevin was around during the Chris Evans/jessica alba f4 days and there was an interview where Jessica said she pitched the idea of the third film that was supposed to happen to include Franklin Richards I wonder if there are elements of that pitch in this movie.
I hope the writers make sense of it all.
It’s was Franklin all along!! If this is true, it’s gonna be crazy! Thank you Michael! ALL FIRES 🔥!!!
Thanks Michael great update
This is just insane to me.
It may also be the montage of villains we allegedly will see in the FF film could also show pregnant Sue, delivery day Sue with baby Franklin, toddler Franklin, 4 year old Franklin with nanny Herbie, the same 4 year old displaying powers taking down a villain who he saw hurting his family, then he has the infamous "4 1/2" on his costume as he joins the FF in a battle, leading to the "current day" in their universe where he's 13, and will be so still when they are shunted to Battleworld.
This is going to be interesting. Phase 4 they really weren’t thinking story the way they are now. That’s good. Story is what drives us fans.
I am insterested to see what the Thing will look like in the upcoming movies. I am looking forward to watching this. I can't wait.
Thanks for the updates!
Sounds good but hopefully the story is built up well for the characters and doent over do it.😮😊
6-9 years is a long time
Not only do I think Franklin being in the MCU would be totally awesome, but I think personally he may have some sort of role to play in a future young adventures team or series. Not sure what, but I can totally see it happening.
Doomsday leak!! I can't see this!! Ok. Fine I'll watch it!!!
Thanks Rom
Hope they don't mess doom up like fox did
❤ Looking forward to this project hitting the Big screen.
All the way in for these
You could just set the fantastic 4 earlier in that universe's history. That way you don't even have to deal with the events of loki.
Let’s do it 🎉
Wow Franklin!!! Badass
Bring on DOOM!!!
Love your videos!!
I cant wait for F4
Hopefully done right
It sounds crazy but why not start large and end large. Hopefully this sets them up for success.
Awesome. Can't wait!
Use the fantastic four movie to bring back Agatha Harkness! Like in the comics, she can be the babysitter of Franklin Richards. She can hitch a ride to the new universe And then be alive again in battle world! It’s a reach, but if you want another strong which character it could be done, and I think people like her character
Good stuff Michael
Great speculation!
Can’t wait for the Thunderbolts!
thanks for the update
i love the ff
Interesting. Are tere specific events in the comics that require Franklin Richards to be those particular ages?🤔
Why are you asking about Nathaniel Richards when he wasn't mentioned in this video? There are two people with that name: 1 - Reed Richards' father and 2 - Kang The Conquerer. Or did you mean to say Franklin Richards? As in Reed & Sue's son.
@suryans5851 Yes Franklin Richards. Sorry. Not great with names, especially similar names.
Absolutely excited can't wait to see what happens in the MCU.
There was an issue during John Byrne’s run where Franklin used his immense powers to age himself into an adult because he got tired of his parents telling him he was too little to do stuff.
I can’t wait for this film 😭
The best way to avoid power creep with Fanklin is for him to have a self-imposed code of conduct. Something similar to that of The Watchers.
Hey man I really appreciate your content for all marvel news. It’s all the updates I need!
Man I’m super excited!🎉
Thanks michael !
be interesting to see how it all shakes out
One of the reasons I love this channel is that I get taught something g new about the characters each time I watch!
Super pumped!
Will wait for the movies.
Looking forward to all of it.
Oh wow this is very interesting news
Here comes the DOOM!
Keep the surprise coming with their new development
Awesome video
So excited for the future of the MCU
I can’t wait!
Will wait to see how this goes!
Am getting goosebumps😅, can't wait
Can't wait for this to happen
Great show
It definitely feels like they are trying to rush towards Doomsday at this point. It feels like there was so much more story they originally planned on telling before this point, but with everything that has happened they are now just sprinting to the next Avengers title
Franklin going to tear stuff up or make a new universe
Can’t wait to see what will be cooked up!
They could always pull the trick that Tommy and Billy did during Wanda vision where they quickly aged themselves. If Billy can do that then I'm sure that Franklin Richards who is even more powerful with morphing reality could do that.
Wow.... I can't believe fantastic 4 is around the corner.
Interesting to hear Franklin being brought into the MCU, interested in seeing how his character plays out
I'm so excited for this movie
I remember the first time I saw Franklin Richards in a comic book was in Fantastic Four issue # 249, where the Gladiator was uprooting the baxter building and decimating the fantastic four, and franklin richards attempted to save the day and use his immense powers to save everyone, but unfortunately, Reed Richards had recently did something to him to block him from using his powers, so Franklin was swatted away by the Gladiator and knocked unconscious. I hoped someday to see that in the MCU, the Gladiator vs The Fantastic Four.
This is all so crazy 🎉🎉
It will be interesting as we get closer to see what the plan turned out to be
Great content
Can’t wait to see how they connect all these universes
My marvel timeline: 11/13/24 update
-The infinity saga is loopers and the following sagas are all arranged by me.
-All numbered (1,2,3,etc.) content is the MCU/sacred timeline. Those are the movies, shows and shorts that you want to watch in order.
-Anything marked with a “•” is additional/optional content for the advanced fan (added by myself).
-The key to the symbols are located at the bottom of the list.
--infinity saga--
1. Iron man
2.iron man 2
3.Incredible Hulk
4. The consultant (*marvel one shot)
5. Funny thing happened (*)
6. Thor
7. Capt. America
8. Agent Carter (*)
•[@-Agent Carter]
9. Avengers
•[A@-AOS S1:E6]
10. Item 47 (*)
•[%-Cloak and dagger]
•[@-Defenders saga]
•[A@-AOS S1:E2-5]
•[A@-AOS S1:E7]
•[A@-AOS S1:E10-16]
11. Capt. America & winter soldier
•[A@-AOS S1:E17-22]
12. Thor: dark world
•[A@-Agents of shield S1:E8]
•[A@-AOS S1:E1]
13. Iron man 3
14. All hail the king (*)
15. Guardians of the galaxy
•[A@-AOS S2:E1-19]
16. Avengers: age of ultron
•[A@-AOS S2:E20-22]
•[A@-AOS S1:E9]
17. Ant man
•[A@-AOS S3:E1-3(WIP)]
•[@-Inhumans saga]
18. Capt. America: civil war
19. Black panther
20. Spider man: homecoming
21. Guardians of the galaxy 2
22. Dr. Strange
23. Thor: ragnarok
24. Infinity war
25. Ant man & the wasp
26. Capt. Marvel
27. Endgame
---after tony saga---
28. Spider man: far from home
29. Thor: love and thunder
30. Falcon and the winter soldier
31. Black widow
32. Hawkeye
33. Guardians of the galaxy: xmas special
34. Guardians of the galaxy 3
35. Echo
36. Shang-chi
37. She hulk
38. Wakanda forever
39. Secret invasion
40. Moon knight
41. Werewolf by night
42. Wandavision
--multiverse saga--
43. Loki S1
44. What if S:1
45. Quantumania
46. Loki S:2
47. What if S:2
48. Madame web ($-Sonyverse)
49. Venom ($)
50. Into the spider verse ($)
51. Venom 2 ($)
•[%-Spider man 1-3]
•[%-Amazing Spider Man 1-2]
52. Spider man: no way home
53. Morbius ($)
54. Dr. Strange: multiverse of madness
55. Across the spider verse ($)
56. Venom 3 ($)
57. Ms. Marvel
58. The marvels
•[@-X-men 96]
58. X-men 97
•[%-Fox X-men saga]
59. Deadpool
60. Deadpool 2
•[%-Fox Daredevil]
•[%-Elektra]
•[%-Fox Punisher]
•[%-Fox Fantastic 4 (C. Evans version)]
•[%-Rise of the silver surfer]
•[%-Blade Trilogy]
61. Wolverine and Deadpool
62. Agatha all along
64. The eternals
65. Capt. America: brave new world(€)
66. Thunderbolts(€)
-Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. watch in progress (WIP). Next up…legion and the runaways.
-I included Deadpool Into the mcu timeline because he is now a part of the mcu and his three movies add to the continuity of the timeline.
-I added the defenders, fox-verse, and agent Carter sagas to accompany the main timeline and fill in the gaps.
-The new mutants does not fit in the timeline. I watched it and I can’t find any references to the list.
Unreleased content as of 10/25/24:
1.Thunderbolts(€)
2.Capt. America: brave new world(€)
3.Fantastic 4
4Avengers: Doomsday
5.Avengers: Secret wars
6.Daredevil: born again
7.Ironheart
8.Your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man
9.Marvel zombies
10.Kraven
11.eyes of wakanda
12.Xmen97 S:2
13.What if… S:3
14.Wonder man
15.Spider-man Noir
16.Dr. Strange 3
17.Spider-man 4
18.The Midnight sons
19.Blade?
€-from the looks of it, these two movies may continue where the eternals left off. We just have to wait and see (update: the eternals is the build up to CA brave new world and Thunderbolts so I placed it after Deadpool and Wolverine).
@-stand-alone sagas that are seperate, but still contribute to the continuity of the sacred timeline.
%-included for the hell of it. You don’t have to watch the fox movies, but it kinda adds to the WADP and SMNWH cameos. Separately, I also included Cloak and dagger under this category because it mentions Luke Cage and Misty.
A-Agents of shield episodes that precede and/or proceed main events in the main MCU timeline
Let me know what you think and enjoy the list!
P.S. Madam web is trash. I put it there because it introduces the web of events, and opens up the 616 to the Sonyverse; post what if…S:2.
May god have mercy on the souls of the people that made this movie.
Utterly happy to see future Marvel content but bummed to have missed Xmen97 finale however ecstatic to be able to catch Deadpool & Wolverine.
Nice 👍🏾
excited for this
Super pumped to see all of this come together, and see RDJ as Doctor Doom.
I think they might tone down Franklin's abilities, making him less overpowered initially. They could limit his potential for now and gradually enhance his powers in future films.
These movies are gonna be wild
I understand his points on the time, but isn’t Fantastic 4 set in the 60s in a different multiverse? wouldn’t they be able to negate the time jump he describes here when F4 comes into the 616?
I'm all about Dr Strange 3 and the Black Priests... then have Black Priest Dr Strange in Battleworld with Franklin Richards and Dr Doom and Scarlet Witch would be insane...too much to ask for a Rune King Thor?
A time jump makes sense.
It’s crazy how they are going to keep trying to tie it all in, live actions comics
aka ALL FIRES 😂
I’m ready for the new phase! Little nervous 😅
Different timelines at different time periods clashing will be interesting
Leaving everyone in place to set up battle world is an interesting theory.
This is great
Great!
they cooking onggg
Hyped for Doomsday!
Most important question now is actually how many people will be left with any real interest in it by the time one of those movies is made. There's obviously a growing, widespread hatred of Disney in general, and more and more people have realized the people in charge of the company care more about politics than story.
Love it!
Cannot wait
In order to do this story justice for not only us fans, but for the studio, itself, and the comic stories that they’re honoring, Marvel really needs to do a re-structuring of the plan.
I say go ahead and play Phases 5 and 6 as they have planned only if Doomsday is a film that introduces Doom’s backstory, motivations, and plans. Then have Secret Wars be the equivalent of Infinity War where at the end Doom gains powers strong enough to create Battleworld, thus being an equivalent (if not better) cinematic moment as Thanos’s snap.
From there, they could use a phase 7 as a sort of interlude phase that has all films either take place on Battleworld or be a prequel showing how certain characters ended up on Battleworld, such as the Xmen.
Plus, the main characters of this set of Avengers I feel will be: Spider-Man, Mr Fantastic, Captain America, Captain Marvel, Black Panther, Shang Chi, Dr Strange, and Antman (with of course Thor and Hulk).
One extra phase would help this multiversal experience very much, so I really don’t want them to rush to the end. It’d be a total disservice to not only Doom but RDJ himself to have him introduced and defeated in the same phase
Hey, what exactly does "the blip" mean in the MCU?? I thought it was the whole 5 years between snaps. To be "blipped" was to be dusted with the first one and brought back with the second,
It might be that Franklin would just age himself up, like he did in the comics. Though he physically became an adult that time, but Marvel always changes stuff when it comes to the MCU. So who knows?