Side X Side shotguns are FINISHED!?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2023
- Some people hate Side by Side shotguns. Ant is one of those people! Simon is not!
What happens when we lock them in a room at a clay course with a bunch of amazing side by sides... will Ant be convinced?
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If your around a Gentleman like Simon you cant help but smile.
I love how Simon got Jon Richardson to realize that side by sides aren't so bad to shoot after all 😇
I occasionally take a side by side game shooting and love it.
Back in the early 80s, I think a few eyebrows would have been raised if you didn't game shoot with a side by side. I was invited as a guest back in the 80s when I was in my 20s and had to take an over and under as my side by side would not close properly. The shoot captain made me feel quite small, questioning its validity on a game shoot. I thought that he was completely over the top about it. I explained that my side by side was being repaired, and this was the only other gun I had.
One of the other shooters could see that I was very uncomfortable with the line of questioning, saying to him, "Don't be such an old fart Gordon, If it was left to you, we would be crapping in a shed at the end of the garden. As you can imagine, it lightened an awkward moment, causing great hilarity.
Nowadays, you very rarely see a side by side on a game shoot.
Haven't picked up a sxs in over 40yrs. I sat my semi autos on the rack. Bought a new 20 bore sxs. Shot four of six chucker out of the box. Not bad for an old dude and his spoiled German shorthair. Thanks to you sir. Well done.
6:19. Simon: “Now, two in a row, killing both.” 😂.
Nice video ! As a young hunter, i use 16ga sxs only for woodcock and small birds hunting here in France.
I often shoot a 1870 damascus barrels hammer gun at game, and it's gorgeous, and I shoot it like hell, but I tell people that even if I miss, I bloody miss *in style* 🙂
One thing I would disagree a bit with the instructor is the forend hold -- HE demonstrated he actually *holds* the barrels and that's the way to do it, you can't 'lean' the forend on your hand like you do with a heavy O/U clay gun, you need to keep control of that forend, especially for the followup shot. That's my opinion anyway, I don't GRIP the forend, but I hold the barrels.
And yes, it means that on some crossers, your fingers are in the way but you have to go at them on trust -- you won't see them. Pretty much exactly as when you shoot driven where you never really see the bird as you shoot thru it.
As far as cart, I once straighed one of the FITASC at Andy Castle with my hammer gun shooting CompX 21g, and I was shooting with a pristinely clad Clay Shooter with all the gear, the Perazzi, the Fancy Gamebore, and the hand towel -- who obviously was gobsmacked that I was there shooting 60 yarders with 21g and an antique. Makes you day ;-)
A most enjoyable episode, thank you. I began my love of shooting with a Browning under/over, and within a few years became bored and switched to side-by-side game guns exclusively for EVERYTHING. The past forty years I have owned a number of vintage English, and contemporary Basque guns and enjoyed all of them. I particularly relish an observation Mr. Reinhold has either made or eluded to a number of times which is, 'the fun is in learning how to shoot these guns', and I concur wholeheartedly. I liked, too, his remarks about light cartridges. Our British shooting forebears perfected shotgun ballistics over a hundred years ago, and 'more is not better', lads. It has mystified me to see British cartridge manufacturers producing loads not too very unlike the American 'cannon loads.' I break clays and kill gamebirds with fibre wad, 1200 fps, 24 gram cartridges in my new AyA rounded action boxlock ejector (a beautiful, lovely handling gun, by the way), and 24 or 28 gram, fibre wad, 1200 fps cartridges in my English Webley & Scott boxlock ejector gun; little recoil and deadly results. Again, a wonderful and thoroughly entertaining addition to the other TGS side-by-side gun videos!
I bought my SxS on a whim. I had shot them when I was a teenager and thinking back I don't recall seeing an O/U on my local shoot. But anyway I bought it firstly for nostalgia maybe but I saw it also as a challenge. I shoot quite well with my MK38 etc but wanted that SxS experience again, and yes I am glad I did. Apart from the fact it brought back memories from decades past it was a new experience again. It took a couple of shoots to get used to the cast, comb etc so I added and extender as the stock was too short for me as the gun is from the 60's and was made when I was three growing up in the South Wales valleys whilst it was starting it's life in Northern Spain. I can see where Ant comes from as say for his work gun and he feels comfortable with his Beretta, and so it should be. As a fun nostalgic gun I like to fire my old Spanish, but then again I am retired so having a gun for work is no issue for me. Good work Simon I always enjoy your input and your knowledge of these guns is always enjoyable and informative. Cheers guys great work as usual, looking forward to the next regardless of the subject matter.
Here in the states we are seeing a resurgence of sorts in doubles.
Older SXS are very expensive. Even the heavy clunkers get sucked up by Turkey Hunters.
When I had a lesson many years ago by Ernie who had retired and had coached for Galloyn at Cambridge shooting ground, after a few shots the first thing he said to me was do you watch the ball or the bat. He was all about footwork and position to take instinctive shots which as a walked up rough shooter served me well. That probably explains which I can shoot let's say rabbit on clays easy but long crossing birds with to much sky and time get the better of me.
Good video keep them coming
I love my over under for clay shooting, but I would love a classic hammer gun SxS for both game and for just a little bit of fun with friends on the clay fields, nothing looks classier than a nice SxS to me and even if they aren’t popular I think they will always have a place in shooting
what we all needed especially as a side by side shooter myself and never shot anything else at 18 love it guys keep it up
Punctuation goes a long way towards making your comments readable.
I would love to spend some time with these gentlemen. I couldn't understand half of what they say and I know they couldn't understand my southern drawl. But what a fabulous time, shooting their fine doubles!!!
😂 well done Simon! Ant, you look like you loved it.😂
a quill pen of sorts versus the sword... its nibble might shines through the mastery of its calligraphy. Great episode TGS!
Really enjoyed that guys I started shooting with a sxs 30 years ago I think I am going to get one for my 50th birthday.
Have both types ...and can shoot nigh on equally...Love it when youngsters come up to me and say "My grandad used to shoot them!!"..
Great video. I’ve loved SxS shotguns since I was a teenage. I bought my first one at 16, a 20 gauge Spanish Kasnar import with money from my newspaper route. I’ve loved them ever since. For regulation clays shooting and long targets, it’s hard to beat an O/U. But I don’t enjoy it nearly as much. TGS and Simon, keep up the great work!
Ant really needs his own TH-cam channel
I think you need to be older than 14 to have an account don't you?
@@dominiccampbell947🤣
Flipping Heck!. Ant seems a really nice chap 🙏 But I bet everything I own that if he gets a couple of pints of beer inside himself he will be fighting with his own shadow 😡.
Superb video. I fully agree and enjoy shooting side by sides on a daily basis. Finally, what is wrong with spanish boxlocks? The ancient ones were really superb! You should investigate more about that
I have a shunned Model 30 Ugartechea, incredibly dynamic taker of doves and I get actually take it into the woods if needed.
Some of the best advice from Simon there.
I shot my £170 side by side a couple of weeks ago it was a lot of fun even hit some big targets I think if I was to only own one gun and clay shooting and semi automatics didn’t exist it would be another side by side. I grew up shooting them and I don’t see any style difference between shooting a side by side or my current semi auto I like a fast handling gun that can be shot with minimal effort.
I am nearing 82 years of age and I shoot side by sides and over and unders also semi autos, but lately I am seeing many shooting friends mainly the younger shooters getting rid of over and unders and purchasing side by sides, also quite a few gun makers are now producing new side by side guns, what goes round comes round !
I am of the new generation of shooters. I’m only 21 but have been fortunate enough to shoot for 11 years. I’ve shot everything, with every type of gun. Krieghoffs to Boswells. But I shoot almost everything with a 28 bore hammer gun, and it’s coveted by many in my demographic. Who would have thought.
I shot my 725 MK2 for 5 years and I'm not bad at all with it. In the last year, I've added a modern heavy year old SxS with multi choke & single trigger, TWO hammer action SxS's and a 75 Victor Sarasqueta 6E twin trigger fixed choke. These 3 SxS's join my A400 semi auto and 325 & 725 O/U. The ones I love shooting the most are the SxS's. I'm somewhere down the middle of the age range and I have seen more and more SxS on the clay ranges. They are not dead.
Well done I've got to say I just love sitting on the foreshore with my side by side in my grasp!
Within the past two weeks I have purchased a 12ga sxs and a 410ga sxs, both 20" barrel coach guns. Could not be happier.
Another great video which I have watch four time, just to catch some of the shooting tips.
Thank you! Love the SXS videos with Simon. Adding Ant to the mix was wonderful. Look forward to the next.
I prefer a SXS. I have 4 actually , I use them for waterfowl, upland birds and trap.
Come on Ant your own channel, following your work life and shooting.
I just bought a Fabarm Classis 20 sxs and love it for clay shooting.
Enjoyed watching that, yes at over 100 years old they are true craftsman built. How man modern O/U will be about in another 100 years?
Love the video! Still on the hunt for the antique side by side of my dreams!
I have the sister gun to the big Boswell, BLNE 12ga, 8lb 8oz, 3", 1 1/2oz, 32", F&F, file cut wide flat top rib. Scroll engraved with chequered side panels, high figure stock.
Shoots just like Simon's. Good instruction by Simon move the gun by rotating the hip and shoulders, not pushing and pulling with the arms.
I haven't used CYL choke but skeet choke can break targets out a lot further than expected with hard shot ie 6% antimony.
Job well done!!!!
This is great stuff!!
As you are on the EJ Churchill's grounds I would recommend anyone to read Robert Churchill's book "How to Shoot". Anyone that shoots an old type side y side would benefit from reading it. It is very informative and a very practical minded layout.
That a great video guys !!
Simon had is work cut out there!!
For me a side by side is a gentleman Shotgun for game & clays from time to time
I’ve been looking for a SXS for over a year now just can not fine the one.
Everyone should have a sxs, even if its just to take out of cabinet and look at
All Hail Simon! "I got him!" Lol
Fantastic video love to a hammer gun being used. It would be nice if you guys did some videos of the restoration of Simon’s hammer gun
Side X sides are pure, love them to bits.
Get Ant the best of both worlds, an A&S Quattrocanne 410. O/U and SxS both. Only $110K. Nothing is too good for our buddy Ant.
Great video
Must try my 7/8 & full sxs on trap. It doesn't like big loads so I hope 24g will work!
With SXS prices declining: If you are a younger person who really enjoys shotgunning, do find one for your safe. As you get older and get bored with the Autoloader you will be glad you did. Find a good one at the best price you can afford and it keep it at around 6.5 pounds or less. Pounds - Weight. I'm hearing that in England the prices are really dropping so its probably a great opportunity.
I would love a nice sxs in 28ga.
Brilliant 💥💥
I love a side by side, Got a Rigby myself. Can't shoot it properly for toffee. Would love someone like Simon to show me how to do it properly so I could enjoy it more.
"Chalk & cheese" - who says Ant hasn't the soul of a poet?
..Recently looked at a pristine 30" 12 gauge BSS for $1500, and was definitely tempted. Have heard they can be a solid workhorse for clays.
Talking about SxS, I would love to hear what yall think of J.P Clabrough & Bros shotguns.
Are u guys using modern shells in the shotguns
And now I'm looking at bidding on 3 different hammer guns at auction tomorrow!!!
... You know that nice S/S that you have slung over your shoulder ... well, I can not hit the broad side of a barn w/ it !!!! W/O a "mid-sight bead", I swing the barrel side to side ... w/ a I/O I am deadly ... and the s/s's I have w/ "mid-sight bead" I do not miss to much ( I shoot in the 90's/100 at the range ) It is all about the sight picture ...
very very beautiful
Where I live such thing cost a looooot cause there are any new shotgun imported.
Such a great video. Would be a wonderful experience to spend a morning with Simon and some of his side-by-sides. I own a 26-inch sarasquetta 12-bore for walked up days and I really like it but it’s ugly and beat to sh*t. Would love to have a go with some more refined sbs!
My 1870s wanless bros underlever
hammer looks and feels and shoots just like that !👍
What shotgun are they using at the 12 minute mark??
At 0:23 you're a person that really loves semi-automatics... guess it's time for that A5 video then! 🤣🤣
It’s coming….
The winner is the Akkar Triple Crown three barrels.
Simon Reinholds a legend.
Almost had him
It's a tough sell...I wouldn't throw one away if someone gave it to me...
Once a guy matures a little he realizes shooting clays with something all flash and little soul is silly. About the same time he’s likely killed enough game that it stops being about the killing and more about the experience. Hard to beat the experience of shooting wild chuker/grouse/pheasant with a fine British double imho although I’m not sure about the flat caps and breeks but I’m only 60 so I still have time for growth 😁
Just persevere, he'll come around sooner or later. Possibly later.
28 gram sellier & bellot plas 7's more is better they are
If they ever ban lead for all shotgunning and don’t find an alternative, most classic SxS will be made obsolete! Cant shoot steel in them. Mal in au.
Incorrect, most are ok with standard steel and all are good for bismuth
@@tgsoutdoors yep! No go if you have more than 1/2 choke ,lotsof 3/4+ full plus some full and full like my Pops Greener live pigeon sxs.
I hope not. It's all I know how to use!
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As I have said many times, the over and under is but a passing fad.
webley 700 28" choked half and three quarters..all I ever need
This just in Ant is going to bid on every SxS on the next Holt Auction. Lol. Good job Simon.
side by side is a walked up gun… a gun for pointed birds
No, they certainly are not my old son!
The side x side is old hat , they just instill a sense of nostalgia and that's why people like them .
Give it twenty years when most of the older shooters have died off or stopped shooting, you'll hardly see one.
Same with classic cars , the popular cars just now are 70's and 80's another 10 years and itll be 90's and 2000's.
Nah
No, especially in the US. Please export all unwanted SXS to the US.
I'm seeing more and more switch to semi autos more than anything. I struggle to now see the need of an over under or side by side apart from preference or an extra choke choice.
It’s traditional in the uk. All game shooting is done with side by sides or over and unders. It’s very very unusual to shoot game with a semi auto, and as so many competitors in clay shooting also shoot game, they choose to shoot both with the same (or same style of) gun.
@@napalmhotdog4365 I know it's traditional I started on an over under but after switching to a semi auto I now don't see any benefit to a side by side or over under apart from a extra choke option. At the end of the day it's how well you can use that gun but I see semi autos just getting more and more popular for sure here in the UK
@@ChemicalShots I’m in the States, where semiautomatics and pumps are very popular, but being a bit shorter than average, I find the doubles a tad more comfortable to shoot. Of course, they kick hard than a semiauto, but when hunting I don’t usually fire all that many shots.
@@stog9821 That's a good point that I didn't consider, my 28inch A400 is as long as a the 32inch over unders. So maybe for people on shorter side it's not ideal
@@ChemicalShotsthere is no benefit to a double barrelled gun at all. That’s not the point, it’s supposed to be sporting.
Well chaps the AntShank redemption attempt failed.Not a bad try though the face of adversity.I am also feeling a tad of remorse being as I once had a hammer gun with lovely patterned Damascus barrels and it ended up above the fireplace of a relation I gave it too.Think I mentioned this before th-cam.com/video/oNnRGtVkr6E/w-d-xo.html 😈
Ill take mu 1187 any day
It was a lost cause from the beginning
I’m with Ant on this one spectacular to look at but over and under to use (can’t hit a 45 gallon drum with sxs)
The first shotgun I ever fired was an uncle's 28 gauge A y A No. 2. That's also the first gun I broke clay and killed quail with. When I got my first shotgun, it was a 20 gauge pump, and I couldn't wait until I was 18 and old enough to buy a gun closer to my uncle's A y A. On my 18th birthday, I bought a 20 gauge Ugartechea Model 30. I was still in high school.
Now, on the clays course, I'd rather shoot my 28 gauge Yildiz SPZ ME, but shooting Callipepla californica, also known as "California quail" or "valley quai," it's a light, sub-gauge, splinter fore-end, straight gripped, double-trigger side by side that I still consider the right tool for the job, and what I'd rather have for close-flushing birds.
I sold my Ugaretechea Model 30 in preparation to upgrade to a 28 gauge A y A 4/53 when I got side-tracked by the 28 gauge Yildiz SPZ ME O/U. It worked out for the best, as I wound up inheriting the 28 gauge A y A No.2 that I first hunted quail with, and having that, I'd have no need for a 4/53.
As long as there's an Arizona desert north of Scottsdale that has valley quail to bring to bag, and as long as I am breathing air, the whole rest of the world might be finished with side by side guns, but I won't be until I breathe my last breath.
Come on Ant, next thing, you'll be buying a Harley at this rate....................
Enjoy hearing some cometary, but there is too much in this video. It makes me not want to watch and hear more! Thanks, John E.
Imagine telling someone that the recoil with a sxs is downward????
Click bait
*Unpopular opinion:* side by sides are incredibly ugly.