Just for clarity - I’m not suggesting moving away from WordPress, but more to look into alternative technologies and how they compare to WordPress, but also to see how they are innovating when WordPress is pretty stagnant.
If it's dosent ned to be with a page builder, try check-in out statamic. It makes WordPress feel like a CMS from the 1990s. It has been developed with Frontend developers in mind, where you don't need to know a lot of php. However, it requires some knowledge regarding html and css. But so do Bricks and Webflow. Statamic is just much more flexible where you can create components, and Flex content just like with acf. So if you want to live your life as a happy developer, statamic is undoubtedly the way forward 🤗
I for one think it’s good to explore the different options and see the innovation, or at least know what other platforms besides WordPress do exist. We are lucky in this industry to have a lot of awesome, creative tools to work with. I’ve been developing websites long enough to remember when hand-coding was pretty much all there was 😮
If it's dossent ned to be with a page builder, try check-in out statamic. It makes WordPress feel like a CMS from the 1990s. It has been developed with Frontend developers in mind, where you don't need to know a lot of php. However, it requires some knowledge regarding html and css. But so do Bricks and Webflow. Statamic is just much more flexible where you can create components, and Flex content just like with acf. So if you want to live your life as a happy developer, statamic is undoubtedly the way forward 🤗
The problem with the other options you have mentioned (apart from figma and penpot) is that you don't own your data. This basically means they can change prices and terms at any time and you're locked into it and if you disagree with those changes you will have to choose something else. You're also locked into what functionality they have available which means you might want to do something that is simply not possible right then. Also if you don't like the forms functionality for example or it's missing something you need then you're out of luck. I get the frustrations with Wordpress but that's the two massive pluses it has, data ownership and the massive plugin eco-system.
Exactly this! a lot of other systems are traps. You're locked in with huge price increases too and with very little option other than to pack up and start again with another platform. At least with WordPress if you don't like your designer, or web hosting company you can easily change and retain your data.
Totally agree with this. Being locked into any ecosystem and feeling like you can’t break free, is no fun at all. I’ve been building websites long enough to try and avoid potential scenarios like this.
Penpot IS open source and unlike Core WP and most builders on the platform, has CSS grid ( in design software, not even a " Dev " environment ). You should always look outside to see what is changing for better or worse. It’s what helps the community innovate and move beyond 2003. The fact that there’s sooo many plugins but no defined way to integrate with design software is dumbfounding to me. Design and Dev are 2 different things and should not be done all in a builder.
The same can be said with WordPress, when it comes to being locked in. I built an agency that created websites with Elementor. When they started wasting their time on useless new features and broken updates there was nothing I or my clients could do (and the clients had no interest in paying for a rebuild because I used the ‘wrong’ WP builder). Every single plugin you use in WP is a small lock-in.
Suggestion: Create another channel for that. Its natural that a channel called WPTuts should cover WordPress-related tutorials. Many of your subscribers from here who are interested in that sort of stuff will subscribe to the new channel. I suspect that adding other non-wordpress related content will convolute the channel!
well said ... and thanks tobi for your notificatiion video but i wish i could find alternative to jetelements in bricks alsthough it can be done via offcanvas
Absolutely agree with this. No sense potentially alienating your base when you don't need to. The new channel should prove out your theory and gain the necessary traction quickly if your suspicion is true (that people are interested in the alternatives out there in the wild).
Absolutely NOT. It will not carry weight, and will get completely lost. This channel is about WordPress, that is true, but it is also true that WordPress is facing some very strong headwinds, and showing alternatives is good. The channel also serves as a pseudo-almanac to WordPress, and having hindsight to see what happened in the industry and why, is part of the whole WPTuts life.
Love it! As web designers we should explore and learn about the tools in our industry. It’s important to stay open minded. I’m personally exploring Framer and it’s exciting! Looking forward to seeing Paul’s Framer explorations
as a wordpress guy, i am increasingly frustrated, at the same time loving the platform. things like framer, webflow are way more exciting, however, the transition would be very hard or sometimes impossible. i would be very much up for more vids on exloration about other platforms too. and thanks! i feel like we all feel sort of the same :D
Same. I love WP but sometimes I’m like WTF!! It’s great to explore the alternatives just even out of curiosity. I’ve heard lots of great stuff about Strapi as a CMS (although not really the same as WP) and I’m curious to know more about them.
@@choonah for sure. I’m not suggesting anyone should change platforms, especially for existing projects. That wouldn’t make financial sense at all. But, it’s good to know what’s out there for clients who don’t require a WP site or have no interest in maintenance plans, etc. 😁
Thanks for the heads up. If I could make one small suggestion - when showing products that are new to your audience, announce clearly what is on the screen as you talk over it. For example, when you showed Framer I had no idea what you were talking about and again had no idea what you were showing on screen. So maybe introduce it as Framer blah blah, shown here in its web interface ready to publish to its own platform. Otherwise, it's just words without context, and in my case had me stopping the video to search Google to understand what you were referring to. Also, would echo some other comments here - keep this channel for WP and add other channels to cater for different directions - or rename to WebTuts or similar. Thanks for the content. Generally very useful.
Hey Paul! Thanks for this delivery, I think is pretty important this message, mainly because the changing times and evolutionary nature of things. Thanks again.
Penpot. Have been waiting for this tool for 40 years. Perhaps... and this is just a thought -- you might enlighten us as to how it could be used with WordPress. I have some ideas, particularly with Bricks (sometimes there are things that do NOT match up between raw css and Bricks -- for example: A fixed 'sticky' header and footer using flexbox [I've done it but it's not a pretty exercise]). If you could give us a guide on how to integrate the two, more or less seamlessly, it would be an important contribution to the community.
Great idea to see more of what is available in the market. To make better choices and indulge in more options and ideas Thnx Paul for expanding our views!
I've been using WordPress for quite a few years now, and every year there's a tool or framework that promises to be better, but it's still the most used, and I think it will continue to be that way for a long time. And it still has something that the others don't have, it's open source, you own your code, you're not subject to a company that can change its policies tomorrow or simply disappear. I understand that as a content creator you want to explore other options and other niches, but WordPress will still be there.
And I’m not suggesting it won’t be or that you should change platforms. But, as a designer we need to look at other tools and platforms that may offer better solutions for a project or client.
I'd appreciate someone breaking down the alternatives. Especially alternatives that have an environment that includes plugin development. I do a lot of API integrations so being able to do this is essential.
I’d like to learn more about these tools and their benefits, and I understand that it does not require moving away from WordPress. I’m interested in solutions.
Yes please! I never come across Brixies before but I can see how a library for creating a design system is valuable. Also, having a look at headless CMSes, static site generators would be helpful. Looking at it broadly, how about a design toolchain or ecosystem? A logical view and then tools that covers those areas.
We are also a hosting provider with own servers, backups, etc. ,so i would never use a SaaS product over a local installation. I would try things in that area, but i guess there are only a few and with less community and developers, i wouldn't make much sense to switch from wordpress. I am as unhappy as the rest of the community how wordpress is dragging along, but the has to be a realy great product out there to switch. FOR NOW.
Yes please do it! 👍🏻 For me most interesting would be to learn what is possible in general but also how to move an existing WP blog/page to such an alternative. So some hands on tuts would be nice. Greatings!
If you have a basic website it would be pretty easy but if you have lots of plugins or customs integrations then good luck. Some alternatives probably have migration tools and a based on WordPress in one way or another but generally speaking WordPress is good enough and is quite universal as long as you do it right. Simplified options will give you less hassle but also less functionality outside their box unless they are also opensource.
As discussed elsewhere mate, I'm heavily invested in WordPress and will be my go-to tool for some time to come, I'm sure. That said, I'm always open to exploring alternatives... Like I was before I jumped into WordPress 10+ years ago.
Great ideas! I can also imagine that you have covered so many wordpress topics that it might be refreshing to look at new things. And who knows what the future will bring....
Open source and data ownership is a reason to choose wordpress, although anytime I use it doesn't feel like it, nonetheless, this alternatives are simply not on those lines.
Damn Paul, we are on the same page. Although I have a lot of WP exploration I would love to do, I just love all web tech and also would like to explore and see other tools outside of Wordpress. Covering all tools that could help you create websites for your needs
Absolutely Paul! I'd be particularly interested into how figma designs can be converted / imported to development platforms to speed up the design : build process
I will suggest a new channel for this Sir, we can try out the lessons for these tools to see how it goes. I am one of your fans who will still stick to Wordpress for the next decade based on my client base.
Headless WP. Deffo teach headless WP and other tech on top.
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Btw, a totaly other topic. I would love to see a good advanced tutorial with jetengine or ACF with complex Metafields and repeaters with email template at the end to format all that realy well. Just a thought. Great Channel as always btw.
I agree with the premise that designers should look outside of WP...even more urgency about that now for obvious reasons. I think WP's size makes it slow to innovate. I think the composition of the labor which keeps it afloat also makes it potentially unstable.
I'm hoping that with some of the new developments that are coming, such as etch, crossing fingers, that WordPress will evolve from that standpoint and become more of just the core, and some of these tools will address the backend/UI/UX side of things. We'll see in the coming months/years.
@@ocbroadband the problem you have their is that it’s still not native WordPress. It’s adding another layer on top that has to be maintained and updated. For me, this is one of the biggest frustrations with WordPress. It’s the same with Elementor. Every additional plugin is another potential point of failure.
Im open to it. Its nice to know something about the competition and i like the format of your videoes. Personally, im unfortunately stuck with WP, since thats the platform i own my content on, and thats what the agency jobs around me use. But im honestly not that big a fan because of their gutenberg focus, leaving everything else old and outdated
If there is an open-source framework for creating online shops (modern version of Magento) that can easily be modified to my needs, I would gladly switch from WP+Woo combo. The reason: I guess the tool focused on only one thing (online shop in this case) will do better in every aspect. For example, all the code will be made specifically for shops, it can be fine-tuned, and there will not be "general code bloat".
Well... I invested money in several WordPress builders, plugins, and innovations. I don't regret it because no matter what your job is, you have to keep experimenting. That being said, I'm studying Django and Python, just to have a plan B in case WordPress goes south. And if I get good at this, it could be bye-bye WordPress.
Make the videos, saves me a ton of time on research. Recently watched a video trying to show advantages of Framer over Webflow, my conclusion was that Framer was underpowered design wise like Gutenberg and suffers from same problems as Webflow (limited CMS functionality, high hosting cost, client lock-in)...so I stick with WP Bricks with ACF/JetEngine.
For an experienced WP user, it really doesn't make sense to switch. Every CMS comes with it's own set of problems and limitations. If I do decide to not use WordPress for a website, I'll probably had-code it.
I support that. WP is a simple CMS but plugins developers turned it into mess. Mainly because WP allows developers to do a lot of stupid stuff with filters that can affect performance. And it allows them to load scripts and styles in footer instead of head that creates FOUC. I used Concrete5 a lot before and this CMS had different approach. You had to hardcode a template and inside you specify what parts of template admin can edit. I still like this approach, because let’s face it - when you develop a website for a client, he’s usually a total newb. And he will probably break stuff while trying to edit his site in a full-page builder. I stoped using Concrete5 because it's hard to maintain, it broke on me several times with no obvious reasons, and you have to be a proper developer to figure out how to fix it. So I don't recommend using it. But maybe you could cover some other CMS with some different approach to WP + Bricks or Elementor.
Exactly. The idea of hard-coded template with some of fields and collection editable by client is in my opinion the best and correct way. I am thinking right not which system will be the best for that. I am considering astro (SSG) with headless cms. What are you using now?
@@co0lxer For simple sites I use Elementor, for complex sites - Bricks. And I have to record a video for every client where I teach them how to edit their site. But of course they still break something time to time and then I have to fix it.
@@heavylog1c Thanks for the answer. Wrdpress has unquestionable capabilities and ease of creating many things, but much worse with service for us and for customers. I still continue my research.
@@captainfire74 if I was going to make it a permanent thing I would, but I’m talking about a few videos looking at options and not something that is a full time part of the channel. If it took off, then an alt channel would probably be the way I’d go. 👍
instead of a video you could of just made a vote post also I would really be happy if you .. and last thing good luck for the next amazing things you add to the community
I’ve also been looking at framer and webflow, but man, once you start adding cms, e-commerce, hosting, they get really expensive. And you’re basically stuck with what they offer.
@@jason-m my take is using the best tool for the job. As you say, things can mount up quickly at which point WP may be the better option. On the flip side, simpler projects where the client doesn’t want to pay for updates and maintenance, an alternative solution that requires less maintenance may be a better option. 🤘🏻
I was hoping to get an actual good alternative for WP. Tools like Framer are, from my point of view, not an alternative, but alternatives to Squarespace, Wix.... Design systems are something entirely different, and shouldn't even be on this list. Any good WP alternatives?
SOOOO much clutter in those tools you mentioned. The auto-wireframing tool doesn’t consider site/industry type, and just generates way too much without prompting for the information that is needed to get the job done. To your point though…..I recently have been exploring all the new modern JS libraries and made a switch to NextJS/TailwindCSS. I see way more potential there. I still do a lot of WP dev but with all of the CSS overriding you typically need to do with WP….it’s trained up my CSS skills pretty nice to where I can pump out layouts in Next quickly. Not sure if I’ll ever build sites for other clients commercially with it, but yea…. WP needs to keep up with the times.
I would say: I'd rather become a master in one thing than have half-baked knowledge of many things! Therefor I stick with WordPress, butu yeah, Framer looks interesting.
I don't see how these are alternatives to WP? They don't have the functionality and are mainly for brochure sites with maybe a little basic CMS stuff etc. The point of WP is all the possible functionality. I can't use anything else because clients often say, we had a meeting and now we want to do X. Most of the time only WP or professional web development can do the X properly.
I treat WordPress as a PHP framework for building business sites with CMS and e-commerce, or landing pages for web apps, so I'm not really interested in the other (proprietary) options.
Title is a bit misleading, don;'t you thing? These are design tools and not development tools. You will still need to use Wordpress, webflow, framer etc for the development of whatever is built in figma, or relume. (and yes, I know that figma also has a developer to get code but someone with code knowledge will be able to use it, it is not a simple drag and drop)
Are you bored? Do you have too much free time? We'll see what happens next. Of course you can do what you think is right. If I don't like it, I don't have to watch the videos. Like this video, my time is too valuable for that.
@@RolandDietz wow! Sorry I took up 4 minutes of your valuable time. Have you ever wondered how much of MY valuable time I spend creating content to help people learn faster and potentially make more money in their business for free? Jesus! 🤦♂️
Just for clarity - I’m not suggesting moving away from WordPress, but more to look into alternative technologies and how they compare to WordPress, but also to see how they are innovating when WordPress is pretty stagnant.
Don't clickbait then and you won't need to explain yourself in the comments :D
@@iliyasiliev9103 don’t tell me how to run my channel and I won’t need to. 😉
If it's dosent ned to be with a page builder, try check-in out statamic. It makes WordPress feel like a CMS from the 1990s. It has been developed with Frontend developers in mind, where you don't need to know a lot of php. However, it requires some knowledge regarding html and css. But so do Bricks and Webflow. Statamic is just much more flexible where you can create components, and Flex content just like with acf.
So if you want to live your life as a happy developer, statamic is undoubtedly the way forward 🤗
I for one think it’s good to explore the different options and see the innovation, or at least know what other platforms besides WordPress do exist. We are lucky in this industry to have a lot of awesome, creative tools to work with. I’ve been developing websites long enough to remember when hand-coding was pretty much all there was 😮
If it's dossent ned to be with a page builder, try check-in out statamic. It makes WordPress feel like a CMS from the 1990s. It has been developed with Frontend developers in mind, where you don't need to know a lot of php. However, it requires some knowledge regarding html and css. But so do Bricks and Webflow. Statamic is just much more flexible where you can create components, and Flex content just like with acf. So if you want to live your life as a happy developer, statamic is undoubtedly the way forward 🤗
The problem with the other options you have mentioned (apart from figma and penpot) is that you don't own your data. This basically means they can change prices and terms at any time and you're locked into it and if you disagree with those changes you will have to choose something else. You're also locked into what functionality they have available which means you might want to do something that is simply not possible right then. Also if you don't like the forms functionality for example or it's missing something you need then you're out of luck. I get the frustrations with Wordpress but that's the two massive pluses it has, data ownership and the massive plugin eco-system.
Exactly this! a lot of other systems are traps. You're locked in with huge price increases too and with very little option other than to pack up and start again with another platform. At least with WordPress if you don't like your designer, or web hosting company you can easily change and retain your data.
you hit the point on the head my friend!
Totally agree with this. Being locked into any ecosystem and feeling like you can’t break free, is no fun at all. I’ve been building websites long enough to try and avoid potential scenarios like this.
Penpot IS open source and unlike Core WP and most builders on the platform, has CSS grid ( in design software, not even a " Dev " environment ).
You should always look outside to see what is changing for better or worse. It’s what helps the community innovate and move beyond 2003.
The fact that there’s sooo many plugins but no defined way to integrate with design software is dumbfounding to me. Design and Dev are 2 different things and should not be done all in a builder.
The same can be said with WordPress, when it comes to being locked in. I built an agency that created websites with Elementor. When they started wasting their time on useless new features and broken updates there was nothing I or my clients could do (and the clients had no interest in paying for a rebuild because I used the ‘wrong’ WP builder). Every single plugin you use in WP is a small lock-in.
Suggestion: Create another channel for that. Its natural that a channel called WPTuts should cover WordPress-related tutorials. Many of your subscribers from here who are interested in that sort of stuff will subscribe to the new channel.
I suspect that adding other non-wordpress related content will convolute the channel!
Well said
well said ... and thanks tobi for your notificatiion video but i wish i could find alternative to jetelements in bricks alsthough it can be done via offcanvas
What Tobias said!
Absolutely agree with this. No sense potentially alienating your base when you don't need to. The new channel should prove out your theory and gain the necessary traction quickly if your suspicion is true (that people are interested in the alternatives out there in the wild).
Absolutely NOT. It will not carry weight, and will get completely lost. This channel is about WordPress, that is true, but it is also true that WordPress is facing some very strong headwinds, and showing alternatives is good. The channel also serves as a pseudo-almanac to WordPress, and having hindsight to see what happened in the industry and why, is part of the whole WPTuts life.
Divhunt: www.youtube.com/@divhunt and
Webstudio www.youtube.com/@getwebstudio might be interesting as well 😀
Love it! As web designers we should explore and learn about the tools in our industry. It’s important to stay open minded. I’m personally exploring Framer and it’s exciting! Looking forward to seeing Paul’s Framer explorations
as a wordpress guy, i am increasingly frustrated, at the same time loving the platform. things like framer, webflow are way more exciting, however, the transition would be very hard or sometimes impossible. i would be very much up for more vids on exloration about other platforms too. and thanks! i feel like we all feel sort of the same :D
Same. I love WP but sometimes I’m like WTF!! It’s great to explore the alternatives just even out of curiosity. I’ve heard lots of great stuff about Strapi as a CMS (although not really the same as WP) and I’m curious to know more about them.
@@choonah for sure. I’m not suggesting anyone should change platforms, especially for existing projects. That wouldn’t make financial sense at all.
But, it’s good to know what’s out there for clients who don’t require a WP site or have no interest in maintenance plans, etc. 😁
Thanks for the heads up. If I could make one small suggestion - when showing products that are new to your audience, announce clearly what is on the screen as you talk over it. For example, when you showed Framer I had no idea what you were talking about and again had no idea what you were showing on screen. So maybe introduce it as Framer blah blah, shown here in its web interface ready to publish to its own platform. Otherwise, it's just words without context, and in my case had me stopping the video to search Google to understand what you were referring to. Also, would echo some other comments here - keep this channel for WP and add other channels to cater for different directions - or rename to WebTuts or similar. Thanks for the content. Generally very useful.
Hey Paul! Thanks for this delivery, I think is pretty important this message, mainly because the changing times and evolutionary nature of things. Thanks again.
Penpot. Have been waiting for this tool for 40 years.
Perhaps... and this is just a thought -- you might enlighten us as to how it could be used with WordPress. I have some ideas, particularly with Bricks (sometimes there are things that do NOT match up between raw css and Bricks -- for example: A fixed 'sticky' header and footer using flexbox [I've done it but it's not a pretty exercise]). If you could give us a guide on how to integrate the two, more or less seamlessly, it would be an important contribution to the community.
Nah, not interested. I think you should do that on a different channel.
Great idea to see more of what is available in the market. To make better choices and indulge in more options and ideas
Thnx Paul for expanding our views!
I've been using WordPress for quite a few years now, and every year there's a tool or framework that promises to be better, but it's still the most used, and I think it will continue to be that way for a long time. And it still has something that the others don't have, it's open source, you own your code, you're not subject to a company that can change its policies tomorrow or simply disappear. I understand that as a content creator you want to explore other options and other niches, but WordPress will still be there.
And I’m not suggesting it won’t be or that you should change platforms. But, as a designer we need to look at other tools and platforms that may offer better solutions for a project or client.
I'd appreciate someone breaking down the alternatives. Especially alternatives that have an environment that includes plugin development. I do a lot of API integrations so being able to do this is essential.
Still wordpress, but headless. Integrated with the tools you mentioned in the video.
Is WordPress as a headless CMS competitive with tools like strapi?
Can you say something more? I am thinking about astro with some of headless cms
Great idea. I just dont have the time to look at other alternatives but would love to know what is out there.
I’d like to learn more about these tools and their benefits, and I understand that it does not require moving away from WordPress. I’m interested in solutions.
Yes please! I never come across Brixies before but I can see how a library for creating a design system is valuable.
Also, having a look at headless CMSes, static site generators would be helpful.
Looking at it broadly, how about a design toolchain or ecosystem? A logical view and then tools that covers those areas.
Very interesting I think, I'd like to see these videos...as well as more on WordPress. 👍
Thanks for doing this video. I see a lot of negative comments but people need to wake up and see the direction Wordpress is going.
Which is???
Astro... in other direction. But fascinating.
We are also a hosting provider with own servers, backups, etc. ,so i would never use a SaaS product over a local installation. I would try things in that area, but i guess there are only a few and with less community and developers, i wouldn't make much sense to switch from wordpress. I am as unhappy as the rest of the community how wordpress is dragging along, but the has to be a realy great product out there to switch. FOR NOW.
Yes please do it! 👍🏻
For me most interesting would be to learn what is possible in general but also how to move an existing WP blog/page to such an alternative. So some hands on tuts would be nice.
Greatings!
If you have a basic website it would be pretty easy but if you have lots of plugins or customs integrations then good luck. Some alternatives probably have migration tools and a based on WordPress in one way or another but generally speaking WordPress is good enough and is quite universal as long as you do it right. Simplified options will give you less hassle but also less functionality outside their box unless they are also opensource.
As discussed elsewhere mate, I'm heavily invested in WordPress and will be my go-to tool for some time to come, I'm sure. That said, I'm always open to exploring alternatives... Like I was before I jumped into WordPress 10+ years ago.
Looking forward to seeing and hearing your take on Framer Paul - just dipping my toes into that platform - hope all is well.
@@graffigdesign8977 Framer looks really interesting and I’m curious to see what type of code it outputs in comparison to tools like Bricks. 👍
Love your take! Helps me lots!
Broadening one’s horizons never hurts 👍🏻
I'm seriously looking to a new system to host my site. It's time for a fresh start.
It wouldn' hurt anybody, looking around outside the own box.
@@helmutgobel9974 exactly 👍
Great ideas! I can also imagine that you have covered so many wordpress topics that it might be refreshing to look at new things. And who knows what the future will bring....
@@LH-gb2lh spot on! 🤫
Do it. Explore other things. I’m here for it ❤❤❤❤
Open source and data ownership is a reason to choose wordpress, although anytime I use it doesn't feel like it, nonetheless, this alternatives are simply not on those lines.
Yes, please explore other technologies, products, concepts, and architectures. Staying informed can benefit all of us.
Damn Paul, we are on the same page. Although I have a lot of WP exploration I would love to do, I just love all web tech and also would like to explore and see other tools outside of Wordpress. Covering all tools that could help you create websites for your needs
WordPress is not always the best tool for every website project. Webflow, Framer, etc all have their place and purpose.
Exactly!
You can also take it to another level with WWX (Webflow/Wized/Xano). With web apps using these tools, the sky is the limit.
Simple is KEY.
Simplicity
Do explore headless WP and alternatives!
Absolutely Paul! I'd be particularly interested into how figma designs can be converted / imported to development platforms to speed up the design : build process
I will suggest a new channel for this Sir, we can try out the lessons for these tools to see how it goes. I am one of your fans who will still stick to Wordpress for the next decade based on my client base.
I am only interested in open source builders.
Cwikly is it then :)
@@polarxta2833 toddle
I like to consider all of these tools and hear from seasoned developers - stripped of hype so yes this is great!
Astro + React + Framer Motion and why not Wordpress for back-end?
I am just thinking about astro + cms for client websites. Have you already deployed any website with this stack?
Really good work!!!
Headless WP. Deffo teach headless WP and other tech on top.
Btw, a totaly other topic. I would love to see a good advanced tutorial with jetengine or ACF with complex Metafields and repeaters with email template at the end to format all that realy well. Just a thought. Great Channel as always btw.
I'd be particularly interested into the workings of figma , plus details of becoming a PRO member
I agree with the premise that designers should look outside of WP...even more urgency about that now for obvious reasons. I think WP's size makes it slow to innovate. I think the composition of the labor which keeps it afloat also makes it potentially unstable.
Yeah! Framer! Welcome onboard
Can you do Webflow tutorials with Relume please? I'd thank you everyday❤️
I'm hoping that with some of the new developments that are coming, such as etch, crossing fingers, that WordPress will evolve from that standpoint and become more of just the core, and some of these tools will address the backend/UI/UX side of things. We'll see in the coming months/years.
@@ocbroadband the problem you have their is that it’s still not native WordPress. It’s adding another layer on top that has to be maintained and updated.
For me, this is one of the biggest frustrations with WordPress. It’s the same with Elementor.
Every additional plugin is another potential point of failure.
Im open to it. Its nice to know something about the competition and i like the format of your videoes. Personally, im unfortunately stuck with WP, since thats the platform i own my content on, and thats what the agency jobs around me use. But im honestly not that big a fan because of their gutenberg focus, leaving everything else old and outdated
Penpot &platforms for Ai blog.
Yes please mate! I think this is an awesome idea.
If there is an open-source framework for creating online shops (modern version of Magento) that can easily be modified to my needs, I would gladly switch from WP+Woo combo. The reason: I guess the tool focused on only one thing (online shop in this case) will do better in every aspect. For example, all the code will be made specifically for shops, it can be fine-tuned, and there will not be "general code bloat".
I say this is a great idea! It's good to keep abreast of innovation outside the WP bubble.
Dave, I still haven't forgiven you for introducing me to Elementor 🤣😉
What are you doing these days?
Ghost is also a great CMS for blogging.
Love to explore headless CMS
What are you using with? Do you think the wordpress with old dashboard is comparable with other headless cms?
I would be interested. I would like to know how to use Figma as part of my Elementor workflow because it’s freaking everywhere
Well... I invested money in several WordPress builders, plugins, and innovations. I don't regret it because no matter what your job is, you have to keep experimenting. That being said, I'm studying Django and Python, just to have a plan B in case WordPress goes south. And if I get good at this, it could be bye-bye WordPress.
Í ll Never change. You are flexible with it.
If it’s WP related, yes. If it’s not WP, I agree with others recommending a different channel.
Make the videos, saves me a ton of time on research. Recently watched a video trying to show advantages of Framer over Webflow, my conclusion was that Framer was underpowered design wise like Gutenberg and suffers from same problems as Webflow (limited CMS functionality, high hosting cost, client lock-in)...so I stick with WP Bricks with ACF/JetEngine.
So I'll be waiting for videos on those other tools 😊
For an experienced WP user, it really doesn't make sense to switch. Every CMS comes with it's own set of problems and limitations. If I do decide to not use WordPress for a website, I'll probably had-code it.
this gives me WP is end of life vibes, and i just invested in etch
Moved to astro a while back and is the best.
I am thinking about astro with collection and only some editable data by clients using headless CMS. How are you hosting? What about email, etc.?
definitely should cover other builders / options - feet in two different boats better than both in one
Wordpress need to catch up. As not much has changed in WP if you compare with other technologies. It seems WP relies more on other source to deliver
I support that. WP is a simple CMS but plugins developers turned it into mess. Mainly because WP allows developers to do a lot of stupid stuff with filters that can affect performance. And it allows them to load scripts and styles in footer instead of head that creates FOUC. I used Concrete5 a lot before and this CMS had different approach. You had to hardcode a template and inside you specify what parts of template admin can edit. I still like this approach, because let’s face it - when you develop a website for a client, he’s usually a total newb. And he will probably break stuff while trying to edit his site in a full-page builder. I stoped using Concrete5 because it's hard to maintain, it broke on me several times with no obvious reasons, and you have to be a proper developer to figure out how to fix it. So I don't recommend using it. But maybe you could cover some other CMS with some different approach to WP + Bricks or Elementor.
Exactly. The idea of hard-coded template with some of fields and collection editable by client is in my opinion the best and correct way. I am thinking right not which system will be the best for that. I am considering astro (SSG) with headless cms. What are you using now?
@@co0lxer For simple sites I use Elementor, for complex sites - Bricks. And I have to record a video for every client where I teach them how to edit their site. But of course they still break something time to time and then I have to fix it.
@@heavylog1c Thanks for the answer. Wrdpress has unquestionable capabilities and ease of creating many things, but much worse with service for us and for customers. I still continue my research.
Is it possible to design whole website on Figma, and convert it into WordPress?
@@tdeepankr not without additional plugins and even then, it will depend on how you’ve designed the site in Figma and the complexity of the design.
I'd love it and thinking the same those last few days but, as someone has said, creating another channel would be great for all that :)
@@captainfire74 if I was going to make it a permanent thing I would, but I’m talking about a few videos looking at options and not something that is a full time part of the channel.
If it took off, then an alt channel would probably be the way I’d go. 👍
Good o'l HTML for static sites... MDB Bootstrap, Bootstrap Studio etc
instead of a video you could of just made a vote post also I would really be happy if you .. and last thing good luck for the next amazing things you add to the community
Goodbye to your channel, if you go on like this :D
I’ve also been looking at framer and webflow, but man, once you start adding cms, e-commerce, hosting, they get really expensive. And you’re basically stuck with what they offer.
@@jason-m my take is using the best tool for the job. As you say, things can mount up quickly at which point WP may be the better option.
On the flip side, simpler projects where the client doesn’t want to pay for updates and maintenance, an alternative solution that requires less maintenance may be a better option. 🤘🏻
Its actually for Wordpress but have you seen North Commerce?. It looks promising. Less bloat than Woo.
I have, but the development is incredibly slow and it’s still in beta. A shame as we need a viable alternative to Woo.
go for it
I was hoping to get an actual good alternative for WP. Tools like Framer are, from my point of view, not an alternative, but alternatives to Squarespace, Wix.... Design systems are something entirely different, and shouldn't even be on this list. Any good WP alternatives?
Okkkk👍🏼
SOOOO much clutter in those tools you mentioned. The auto-wireframing tool doesn’t consider site/industry type, and just generates way too much without prompting for the information that is needed to get the job done. To your point though…..I recently have been exploring all the new modern JS libraries and made a switch to NextJS/TailwindCSS. I see way more potential there. I still do a lot of WP dev but with all of the CSS overriding you typically need to do with WP….it’s trained up my CSS skills pretty nice to where I can pump out layouts in Next quickly. Not sure if I’ll ever build sites for other clients commercially with it, but yea…. WP needs to keep up with the times.
If something we can install in hosting like we install WordPress then might b good idea bt using someone else server with no full control I am out 😅
I thought you would talk about other architectures, like headless ones with other CMS.
I would say: I'd rather become a master in one thing than have half-baked knowledge of many things! Therefor I stick with WordPress, butu yeah, Framer looks interesting.
Revisit swipe pages - what happened with them?
WebStudio
Yes, expand your channel like this. Don't do it on a separate channel. Do it here.
Try review statmatic
Don't you mean Statamic 😉
and Kirby …
Nicepage Builder
I don't see how these are alternatives to WP? They don't have the functionality and are mainly for brochure sites with maybe a little basic CMS stuff etc. The point of WP is all the possible functionality. I can't use anything else because clients often say, we had a meeting and now we want to do X. Most of the time only WP or professional web development can do the X properly.
You forgot to mention Webflow page builder
There are tons to explore, this wasn’t a list just an open question about this type of content.
@@WPTuts ok. Great
Ycode and divhunt look interesting, but are not self hosted unfortunately
Just start a.secondary channel for.non wp tuts
I treat WordPress as a PHP framework for building business sites with CMS and e-commerce, or landing pages for web apps, so I'm not really interested in the other (proprietary) options.
Perhaps?
Title is a bit misleading, don;'t you thing?
These are design tools and not development tools.
You will still need to use Wordpress, webflow, framer etc for the development of whatever is built in figma, or relume.
(and yes, I know that figma also has a developer to get code but someone with code knowledge will be able to use it, it is not a simple drag and drop)
Why not Webflow?
It will be one I’ll be looking at too. 😉
No.
A bit of an overreaction....
Nope. I am with WordPress. Full power WordPress!
Not interested in 🙈
penpot
Are you bored? Do you have too much free time? We'll see what happens next. Of course you can do what you think is right. If I don't like it, I don't have to watch the videos. Like this video, my time is too valuable for that.
@@RolandDietz wow! Sorry I took up 4 minutes of your valuable time.
Have you ever wondered how much of MY valuable time I spend creating content to help people learn faster and potentially make more money in their business for free?
Jesus! 🤦♂️