Thank you Bro Urshan for this great Bible study. My name is Elaine and I am commenting on my husband Ron's account. I am a former Greek Orthodox and I have learned so much about my former church from you and Bro Bernard's teaching on the history of the trinity.. This particular Bible study was so great as all your others and I appreciate how you touched on the historical reference to Pan. I had a great-uncle Pan and how I wish Greeks would stop naming their kids after Greek false gods...I guess it's the pride of the Greek culture to do so and it's wrong......anyway back to Pan......if you look up the meaning of the word "Pandemonium" it comes from the deity Pan and their awful acts of celebrating their pervert activities. Most of all, I thank the Lord Jesus for reaching for me and pulling me out of the darkness of Constantine's lies and into the light of the Apostles doctrine...God is so good! Thank you for these amazing Bible Studies.....I share them far & wide!!!👍🏼😊
I've been struggling with oneness vs trinity. But I fully believe in oneness. The preacher at Mid American told us tonight that it is one God! EEphesians 4:5, that hit my heart! I believe I believe!
Zechariah 14: 9 was a verse that really opened my eyes. Speaking of the day of the LORD: "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one."
@@PhilipA238 Trinitarians believe in ONE GOD, THREE PERSONS or TRINITY of PERSONS. Oneness believe in ONE GOD, THREE modes or TRINITY of modes. Oneness are TRINITARIANS.
Excellent as always. I’ve been trying to get a copy of the 60 second bible survey, I tried texting the phone number and never got a response. Hopefully y’all can help. Thanks and God bless!
Matthew 13:24-30 New King James Version (NKJV) Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ” Where did ya think/ where trinity came from. It required 350 to get PLANTED into the Roman christain theology. They had 1700 years to alter , add and delet scriptures, to supress any population that qt it. They aligned themselves with tyrant govt to maintain control, they limited what translation were written and made sure the average people never knew any truth. These folks are still in business.. the world council of churches has ONE solid req for membership. Must teach TRINITY. You can play with snakes etc but must have Trinity. TRINITY is the worlds largest cult! The biggest, GOOD OL BOY network in existance.
I testify, with God as my Witness, that I had NEVER heard of Oneness. I was baptized in the Holy Spirit at 23 years old, but at age 40 during a year of unemployment and doing inductive Bible study the whole time, the Spirit of God revealed that He is One. I was so indoctrinated by Trinitarian theology my whole life that I kept testing the Spirit exhaustingly for about two weeks and He just kept revealing this Truth to me! I accepted it and thought I must be the only one in the world -- then found Oneness had been out there all along! Praise God! I may not agree with every practice within the Oneness churches (i.e. baptism is not for salvation, but because of salvation - water doesn't remit sins; I don't believe all will speak with tongues, though I did when I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit; that women shouldn't cut their hair, wear pants or makeup; that believers shouldn't view movies or watch tv...). Some of this is just religion and prevents people from joining the congregations.
Jesus revealed the Oneness of God to me when I was 14 years old reading the Gospel of John. I was not attending a oneness Church and I did not know there was oneness and trinitarian. I remember wondering who the Father was and immediately God revealed that the Father is God and Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. You see Jesus you see the Father. God revealed it more than once. I know someone who opposed the doctrine of the Oneness of God and Oneness Pentecostal Church's and God revealed the Oneness of God to him. But he still opposed baptism in Jesus name for the remission of sins. I tried to tell him (so he would think about it) that he was wrong about the Oneness of God so he should consider that he also has the wrong understanding about baptism. He did not want to listen. I believe Jesus encounter with Philip in John 14:8 - 9 is in scripture because God knew people would need correction / teaching in this area (Luke 24:45). I also think Luke 11:27 - 28 is in scripture to prevent people from exalting Mary. God holds his Word above His Name. Psalm 138:2 "I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name."
I believe in the oneness of God as well and I'm an Orthodox Christian ☦ 😁. I really really love the church, even though I don't agree with some things but I'm still studying on the oneness of God and I've learned so much from the oneness of God than I've ever learned from trinitarianism. May you answer this question for me: - was Jesus praying to Himself I'm willing to accept the truth
@@viviennebaptiste The Father is God and Son is man. Jesus is all God and He is all man. The Word made flesh (John 1:14). God with us (Matthew 1:23). The image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15). The express image of His person (Hebrews 1:3). You see Jesus, you see the Father (Isaiah 9:6, John 14:9). God allowed Himself to experience life as we do yet without sin. To reveal Himself to us but foremost to be a mediator. Jesus sacrifice provides what we need and what God needs. "I owed a debt I could not pay, He paid a debt He did not owe, I needed someone to wash my sins away..." The difference between Father and Son is not a distinction of persons but roles. Divinity and humanity. I think there is a PDF copy of the Oneness of God by David K Bernard online. We see before the fall that God comuned with Adam and Eve. Through the Bible we see theophanies. God was never indifferent toward His creation. I think the trinity could be a battle between the flesh and the Spirit. The teaching of one God who is 3 persons is outside the Bible.
@@msolav63 the thing you don't seem to understand is 3 manifestations of the ONE person of God! Definitely different from what you as a trinitarian believe. And you said it well, these three ARE ONE.... The eternal Spirit is ONE person, there is no eternal Son, but only the begotton Son, that's what's written.
Please get back to the original Book of the Covenant (not the book of the Law) and experience and preach the full and complete message. You have such a kind spirit and therefore you will be powerful to preach the full message. Your Oneness message is powerful.
John describes his visit to the throne room & didn't include three separate entities co-equal, co-eternal on the throne in Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and behold, a throne throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." The term "Holy One" appears over 50 times in the Bible. Although, the word Trinity can't be found. IT'S TRUTH TIME!
There are a few scriptures that mention “ God the Father” maybe that’s where “God the Son “ got mixed up. Just curious how do those scriptures get explained “God the Father” scriptures.
hilippians 2:5-6 - King James Version (KJV 1900) 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Philippians 2:5-6 - New Living Translation (NLT) 5 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. 6 Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.
The Godhead and Godhood Christians do love their spiritual jargon, especially when it is has the epic overtones of the King James Version. Jargon is only useful when we properly know what it means. One such theological word found in and popularised by the KJV is “godhead.” The problem I have with it is that it is used synonymously for the Holy Trinity. As far scripture is concerned it isn’t. The word “godhead” appears only three times in the KJV at Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20 and Colossians 2:9. [1]The word is from Middle English and means the same as godhood, that is, the state of being god. The -head suffix is the same as -hood which we still use in modern English in words like fatherhood, the state of being a father. [2]Three different Koine Greek words, theion, theiotēs, and theotēs, in order of their appearance in the KJV, were translated as “godhead”. Modern translations of the Bible do not use godhead but tend to use words like deity, the divine nature, or divine being depending on the context. The Greeks used such words to talk about god without referring to any specific one in particular. This particularly makes sense in Acts 17 at the Areopagus where Paul was addressing a Greek audience and presenting his arguments on the true nature of God. Even in somewhat formal English today we refer to God in sort of an impersonal manner by calling him the Deity. So where did this association with the Trinity come from? On account of the continued popularity of the KJV, the word “godhead” continues to stay in currency. The word was actually introduced into English translations by John Wycliffe, the great English Bible translator and Reformer. [3]As early as the 12th century B.B. Warfield remarks that it was used as a technical term used to refer to the ousia or the substance of God in the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. Since this predated Wycliffe it was probably an influence on why in his translation of the New Testament the term. It was chosen because of its Trinitarian connotations. The KJV was heavily influenced by Wycliffe’s why is why the godhead was probably used in the translation. Its popularity continued in later documents like Thirty-Nine articles of the Church of England and the Westminster confession. Even though godhead is used to refer to Trinitarian doctrine, in the KJV it is used to translate words that have nothing to do with later theological developments. Even the basic meaning of the word is not Trinitarian and just means being divine. I fully recognise the meaning of a word is determined by how it is used and the word has for a long time assumed that technical theological meaning. All I am saying is whenever we pick up the KJV and read the word, we should not immediately assume it is a reference to the Trinity
There is no evidence that Sabellius taught a sequential modalism or that the father suffered. There were oneness believers who signed the creed at Nicea such as Marcellus of Ancyra. Sabellius was probably a godly biblical teacher.
Isaiah 44:6-8 KJVS [6] Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. [7] And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. [8] Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it ? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. Revelation 1:17 KJVS [17] And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: CAN THERE BE TWO FIRST AND LAST? Every Christian believes that Jesus is the Son of God, the Lamb of God, the Messiah, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, the High Priest, son of David, Lion of the Tribe of Judah. But some have a problem with God Father Son And Holy Ghost. God is all and all. His statement...there is no other God means exactly that. God is not the God of confusion. If He was triune He would have plainly said so. Just as He openly reveals the Gospel of His Salvation. Instead of trying to read into the Scriptures, seek the revelation of who God is. There is a reason it is called The Revelation of Jesus Christ.
New King James Version Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. This is the only scripture that baptizes in name of father son and HS. Four othwrs baptize in name of jesus only. The last 4 have manuscrips to verify them. The father ,son Hs has no manuscript evidence! But it is in Catholic writtings around 450 ad.
The issue is that onenesses have created division by basically suggesting that trinitarians are not saved. No other group such as Baptists, Presbyterians, Evangelicals etc, etc creates such a division or say such a thing as oneness. We may have our differences but not to that extent. I don't agree with falsely accusing any group but how many times do oneness accuse Trinitarians of being pagans? I have read and researched Oneness theology for many years which is why I am so strongly opposed to it. I have not inherited this belief nor have I been taught to reject Oneness theology mindlessly. After a lifetime of studying the scriptures, I'm convinced that trinitarian theology is both logical and biblical. Although on many forums such as this one, I've been called Godless, blasphemous, pagan or polytheistic, and had my salvation questioned or even flat out denied by the majority of Oneness believers I've encountered. Those Oneness believers based their attacks on their belief that only Oneness believers understand the "mystery" of God and are eligible for salvation. This is not only a lie, but it voids the sacrifice of the cross since salvation is now based on understanding the "mystery or the key" (which is not biblical in any way). That is a very dangerous line of thinking. In over 10 years I have only found one or two oneness' who have accepted that Trinitarians are not polytheists but they are only a small minority. The majority of Oneness followers reject that we also believe in ONE God, despite being told this many many times over. However, they are in line with the hypocritical belief that God can be THREE modes or manifestations, but not THREE persons. A) Trinitarians believe in ONE GOD THREE PERSONS or TRINITY of PERSONS. B) Oneness believe in ONE GOD THREE modes/manifestations or TRINITY of modes. I can't wrap my head around the splitting of hairs Oneness followers have on this issue. Can someone explain to me how it is that oneness are not Trinitarians? Of course they are Trinitarians. It was Jesus who brought to us the revelation of the FATHER, Son and the Holy Spirit in Mathew 28:18-20. Let's go back to grade school and do simple math: The PERSON or "mode/manifestation," of the Father is ONE. The PERSON or "mode/manifestation" of the Son is TWO. The "mode/manifestation" of the Holy Spirit is THREE. So how many "PERSONS, modes/manifestations" do you HAVE "THREE. The word TRINITY comes from THREE". Oneness are TRINITARIANS because the TRINITY is a biblical fact that cannot be denied even when doing the scriptural acrobatics as oneness does. Even if they are supposedly representations they are THREE. Beside, oneness go around and DIVIDE Jesus INTO TWO SUBSTANCES the human and the divine and then they criticize the Trinitarians saying that God is numerically indivisible. Question: did the Bible mentioned the FATHER, the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT. The answer is: YES. How many are MENTIONED? One, two or three? The answer is: THREE. There's only one God, but whether you call it modes, PERSONS, manifestations, masks, spheres, titles, functions etc, you have to acknowledge that there are THREE. To say anything different is to deny the Bible. I'm surprised that oneness deny they are not Trinitarians when they believe in THREE MODES/ MANIFESTATIONS since that is a cornerstone of Oneness theology. We are essentially saying the same basic things while trying to explain God. The question is: "Can THREE distinct, divine PERSONS really be ONE being?" The short answer is YES. What's "out there" to me is why Oneness followers continually attack trinitarians but, If trinitarians are not polytheistic and can also be saved what's the issue? That we disagree on what term to use when describing an attribute of a being that is infinitely greater than anything we can comprehend? It seems that Oneness believers try to put the almighty God into a box based on human logic and understanding.
Wow! Very well put! I am a former Roman Catholic and still a believer in the "Father", the "Son", and the "Holy Spirit". However, I do not believe that the Bible presented Yahweh God as being other than ONE Person/Being. In other words, ONLY Yahweh God, the Father, is God, and Jesus is the Human Son of God, and the " Spirit OF God" is Yahweh God's OWN Spirit and is not ANOTHER God nor ANOTHER Person/ Being. Yahweh God BECAME the Father of the child Jesus AFTER He BEGOT him, in Mary's womb, around 5 B. C. when he was CONCEIVED and not, as BOTH "oneness" and "trinitarian" myths declare, INCARNATED. No Biblical Author or Character ever spoke or wrote a historical NARRATIVE about HOW Jesus supposedly INCARNATED himself. Matthew and Luke, the official Biographers of the ORIGIN of Jesus have absolutely nothing to say about a so called INCARNATION of Yahweh God. The Pagans, since before the birth of Christ, believed in multiple "gods" in various FORMS. They virtually invented them as they went along. At the time of the Apostles and first Christians they were still very active. The Jews were the only ones who believed in ONLY ONE TRUE God, Yahweh, which made THEM unique. They had no 2 Gods, no 3 Gods, no 2 in 1, 3 in 1, 4 in 1, nor 2 modes in 1, nor 3 modes in 1, ad infinitum. Jesus tells us that there is ONLY ONE GOD, the Father, and no one else. The Son is not God, the Spirit of God is not another Person but simply Yahweh God's Spirit, as you and I have our own Spirit. Paul tells us that in order to be saved we MUST BELIEVE, not that the Man Jesus is God, but that the Man, immortal after resurrection, is Lord or MASTER. He is the Anointed (Messiah/Christ) Man whom Yahweh God has MADE Lord over all of His Creation, both in Heaven and on Earth. He is the highest ranking Man in the Universe, but he is not God. There is ONLY ONE GOD in Heaven, Yahweh God, the Father.
This was interesting. The earliest reference to the Trinity comes from the Antiochene church, where they were first called Christians, from an ancient Antioch pastor. I teach Ancient Antiochene Christianity...the earliest true doctrines of the Church. I document also.
The earliest true doctrine comes from Simon peter and the rest of the Apostles.... Right?? Those were the Christians that was referred to at Antioch.... Right???
I’ve been told that the term “Christian” was coined by the unbelievers, used to describe the followers of Christ, with a negative spin; not serving as a compliment. Jesus said, “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift the Father promised, which you have heard Me discuss. 5For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1 NLT. The Church began in Jerusalem. New Jerusalem is forever. Revelation 3:12, 21:2
@@anneviggiano3801 Jesus did say wait for the promise of the Father... But he also said that they would be witnessing of him FIRST in Jerusalem then to Judea and lastly to Samaria.... AND TO THE REST OF THE EARTH...In othe words ... He was plainly saying .... Go out and preach my Gospel in all of the WORLD
@@ronniemiller2624 Hi!! Yes. Indeed. The whole Gospel. To the whole world. By the whole Church. The issue remains, then. Where and when does New Testament teaching/doctrine begin? Acts 2:42 Antioch was visited by Barnabas, some ten years later, to teach what he’d been taught. Ten years earlier. So. Two issues here. The origin of the Trinity teaching. And the date of the birth/origin of the Church. Which occurred first in the timeline. To wit. One must describe the essential elements of said disciples, being made.
@@anneviggiano3801 Question.. If peter preached the first Gospel message.. Acts.2:37-38...Then wouldn't all the other disciples including Barnabas.... Preach the same message??? And was it the Trinity??? If it was... Then there's something horribly wrong... Paul said if ANY Man come to us and preach ANY other GOSPEL than what they preached ... They are accused... Right !!
Whether you're struggling with the doctrine of one God or trinity, submit yourself and doctrine to God for it to become foundation. The doctrine of the trinity is demonic so everyone who teaches it are being influenced by demonic spirits. God the Father became his own Son
Scripture reads The Father send His Son/ /// The Father did not say I will send Myself( The Father can never die)…. Read Revelation 3:21 and John 1:18….BTW: Don’t be blasphemous calling Trinity demonic that’s rude not bold insulting The Godhead …. According to the Book of Revelation The True Apostolic Church the Ecclesia the called out Assembly//:: The True Church of the Living GOD are those whose Robes are WASH in the Blood of The Lamb.. It’s not Religious Institutions Organizations nor Denominations… from a former UPC who don’t go around calling Oneness demonic/ if you love The LORD regardless if Oneness’s Trinity or Compound Unity (Jewish Messianic Brethren Believers refers to the Godhead) we all agree in the death burial and resurrection atonement of Christ Jesus Yeshua of Calvary’s Cross and He is GOD in flesh ( the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily in Him… Amen So be it.
No person should make such a blasphemous statement/ that the doctrine of the Trinity is demonic Or Oneness is demonic/ that’s insulting to the Godhead…We are all still One in Christ…
@maryhelencampos9964 so, who coined the word trinitas or trinity and who formulated the doctrine of the trinity? Is the doctrine of God one or trinity? Show actual scripture
The father did not become the son. The father (spirit) dwells inside the man Christ Jesus and this is why Jesus is God. Sometimes oneness/apostolic folks teach that the the father morphed into the son but rather the fullness of the godhead dwells bodily in the man Christ Jesus. See Colossians 2:19, Colossians 2:9 , 1 Timothy 3:16. 2 Corinthians 5:19.
1 Timothy 3:16 KJVS [16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Isaiah 9:6 KJVS [6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Read slowly. God did not enter the already formed Man Christ Jesus. The Scripture in 1Timothy is plain. God was born into flesh. There is the mystery. God became a seed in the womb of Mary. Father (spirit)? God is Spirit and His Spirit is Holy (Holy Spirit). Jesus didn’t have the Spirit of God He is God.
@@hargisP2 I totally agree with these verses. We just need to make sure we don't deny the father (spirit) had a son (flesh). The spirit is inside the son. The father did not become the son he is manifested (revealed) in the son.
@@hargisP2 separate yes as far as flesh and spirit. God (spirit) has been manifested in the flesh not became the flesh. “Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.” - 1 John 2:23 (KJV)
@@randyclark222 manifest: : able to be seen : clearly shown or visible. Because we can’t see spirit. John 1:14-15 KJVS [14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. [15] John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. How could Jesus be before John, when John was born 6 months before Jesus. Only because he God in the flesh. Yes Jesus had a human nature, and was still God. You say you believe the scriptures but yet have a different understanding, and you limit God’s ability.
the thing you don't seem to understand is 3 manifestations of the ONE person of God! Definitely different from what you as a trinitarian believe. And you said it well, these three ARE ONE.... The eternal Spirit is ONE person, there is no eternal Son, but only the begotton Son, that's what's written.
@Lift the Lid 2) Lift the Lid again, in the original text of the Bible, the first word that is used for God is the Hebrew word "Elohim". The first sentence in the Bible says, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth". In the original Hebrew, "Bereshit bara Elohim et ha'shamayim ve'et ha'aretz". Seven words. The third word is the word for "God" (Elohim). It's an interesting word. The word is plural in form, but singular in meaning. There are many places in the Hebrew text where this word Elohim means "gods" with a small g, plural. The Yud Mem ending on the word is the plural form of the masculine noun. But in Genesis 1:1, Elohim means God, singular, because the firm of the verb "Bara" (created) dictates that. Singular in meaning, but plural in form. The scripture is hinting us something. As New Testament believers in Jesus, we believe in a Godhead... God who is THREE IN ONE... FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT. This thinking is not easy for oneness to handle. A foundational scripture for Christians is Deuteronomy chapter 6 verse 4. "Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad".( Hear O Israel. The Lord our God, the Lord is One). God is One but in scripture its possible to be more than one, but in absolute unity. Genesis chapter 2:24 says, "a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife, and they shall become ONE FLESH. In Hebrew," ve'hayu le'basar echad". (Echad... one). TWO BECOME ONE. TWO separates humans being, but in God's sight, ONE. Inseparable. This is an important principle. However, as I stated before it's not easy for oneness to think of God in this way. In order to understand this concept let's read in John 10:30 "I and MY FATHER ARE ONE". We read that certain Jews wanted to stone Jesus for saying that He was ONE WITH THE FATHER. He also said He wanted them to "know and understand that the FATHER is in ME and I in the FATHER". Jesus defines the term “TO BE ONE.” It is clearly accomplished through the relationship of TWO separate beings. Christian believers are to model their relationship (to become one) after the relationship of God and Christ (as God and Christ are one). Again: notice that “TO BE ONE” do not mean to be the same person or being. They are all one in motivation, mind and thought. The FATHER is not Jesus the Begotten SON nor the SON is the FATHER. BOTH are in complete unity and agreement as it says in: John 14:10-11 10 Do you not believe that I am in the FATHER, and the FATHER in ME? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on MY own authority; but the FATHER who dwells in ME does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the FATHER and the FATHER in ME, or else believe ME for the sake of the works themselves Lift the Lid, oneness believers frequently cite the second part of this last statement, "the Father is in Me," to mean that the deity ("Father") dwells in the humanity ("Son") of Jesus. This view, however, fails to explain the first part of the sentence, "I am in the Father," which in Oneness terms would have to mean that the human nature of Jesus dwells in the deity the opposite of what they believe. Moreover, it fails to account for the fact that "in this same context," as well as elsewhere, Jesus uses this sort of expression to denote His unity with believers: In John 14:20 it says: 20 At that day you will know that I am in MY FATHER, and you in ME, and I in you. In John 17:20-23 it says: 20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that THEY all may BE ONE, as You, FATHER, are in ME, and I in YOU; that they also may be one in US, that the world may believe that YOU sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave ME I have given THEM, that they may BE ONE just as WE ARE ONE: 23 I in them, and YOU in ME; that THEY may be made perfect IN ONE, and that the world may know that YOU have sent ME, and have loved them as YOU have loved ME. Lift the Lid, not because Jesus is in US means that we are Jesus. Not because the Father is in Jesus means that Jesus is the Father. Consider this: even when we are made of flesh, we can be together AS ONE MAN even if we are not spirits. As it says in Nehemiah 8:1 8 Now all the people gathered together AS ONE MAN in the open square that was in front of the Water Gate; and they told Ezra the scribe to bring the Book of the Law of Moses, which the Lord had commanded Israel. Judges 20:1-2 1 So all the children of Israel came out, from Dan to Beersheba, as well as from the land of Gilead, and the congregation GATHERED TOGETHER AS ONE MAN before the Lord at Mizpah. 2 And the leaders of all the people, all the tribes of Israel, presented themselves in the assembly of the people of God, FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND FOOT SOLDIERS who drew the sword. How many men were there? Four hundred thousand but they came out AS ONE MAN. They went with the same feeling, with the same goal they were in the same agreement. Likewise, Jesus and the Father are ONE, they are in the same agreement. As it says in Romans 12:5 5 so WE, being MANY, are ONE body in Christ, and individually members of one another. The FATHER, The SON and the HOLY SPIRIT are ONE.
@@liftthelid4270If the Eternal Spirit is One that automatically makes the Son Eternal (The Sonship)Inheritance…Read John 1:18 & Revelation 3:21… just dialoguing
@@hargisP2 The word "modes of existence" is not in the Bible and oneness use it, lol. Do you know that oneness "MODES OF EXISTENCE" have the same attributes as "PERSONS". All Oneness do is change the word "Person" to "mode of existence" and then try to argue against the word "Person". While oneness believers reject the doctrine of the Trinity, they nevertheless accept the doctrine of Dual Nature. Is it logical to reject the idea that God is a Trinity of Persons, and yet maintain the key doctrine wich supports that idea? Of course not. Does the Bible explicitly teach anywhere that Jesus was comprised of two natures? No, it does not. It must be inferred from the text in the same manner that the Trinity is inferred from the text by many. Oneness criticizes Trinitarians for building a doctrine out of proof texts, rather than hearing the whole, clear counsel of God, while on the other hand they are doing the exact same thing with respect to the regarding Dual Nature. Oneness are being hypocritical without even realizing it, holding Trinitarians to a higher standard than they are holding themselves to.
The word "modes of existence" is not in the Bible and oneness use it, lol. Do you guys know that oneness "MODES OF EXISTENCE" have the same attributes as "PERSONS". All Oneness do is change the word "Person" to "mode of existence" and then try to argue against the word "Person".
we use the biblical word, manifestations actually. We do not argue against the person of God, we stand against the doctrine that are persons of God. Its not in the bible anywhere. Please show me....I'm sure you're aware you cannot. The trinity is blantantly false doctrine. That's why we stand so strongly against it.
@Lift the Lid The Word "PERSON" is Biblical Terminology. The word mode or modes is not. Lift the Lid, I hope you notice that the Bible mention the word "PERSON" in comparison BETWEEN Jesus the Son and God the Father. Jesus is the image just like we're also the Image of God in a moral, spiritual, and intellectual nature (Gen 1:27). In Hebrews 1:3 it says: 3 who being the brightness of HIS GLORY and the express IMAGE OF HIS PERSON and upholding all things by the word of HIS power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. Within a theological context, PERSON does not necessary refer to someone who possesses a physical body. Rather, a "PERSON" refers to an identity and set of characteristics that are unique when compared to none persons. The image of God is the most significant delineating factor which distinguishes man from physical creatures, and it's endows him with the confluence of qualities that is specific only to persons, namely, a mental faculty which possesses volition, logic, abstract thought, moral agency, self awareness, rationality, and emotive expressions. We may appropriately summarize these qualities as those that belong to a subject who is capable of love. Let me ask you, did Jesus have a body? Of course. Now is a donkey a person? Of course not, it is an animal but, still a donkey also has a body. So to be a person you necessarily need a body? Of course NOT, because if that was the case a donkey would be a person. I know that you reject the word PERSON but wasn't Jesus a PERSON like you and I? The answer is: yes, of course. So we would have to conclude that Jesus is DIVINE and also a PERSON or a man. There is no problem to use the word PERSON nor there is no problem in using the word as first PERSON, second PERSON or third PERSON or THREE PERSONS.
@Tyler Lane Tyler, of course oneness use the word "modes". Besides, the word omniscient is not in the Bible but the concept is, so that means that God is not omniscient because the word omniscient is not found in the bible? Of course not. The same thing happens with the word Trinity or God the Son that is not found in the bible but the concept is. While oneness believers reject the doctrine of the Trinity, they nevertheless accept the doctrine of Dual Nature. Is it logical to reject the idea that God is a Trinity of Persons, and yet maintain the key doctrine wich supports that idea? Of course not. Tyler, does the Bible explicitly teach anywhere that Jesus was comprised of two natures? No, it does not. It must be inferred from the text in the same manner that the Trinity is inferred from the text by many. Oneness criticizes Trinitarians for building a doctrine out of proof texts, rather than hearing the whole, clear counsel of God, while on the other hand they are doing the exact same thing with respect to the regarding Dual Nature. Oneness are being hypocritical without even realizing it, holding Trinitarians to a higher standard than they are holding themselves to.
@Tyler Lane Tyler, you attempt to utilize John to show that the title of "Son" refers only to the temporal humanity of Christ as "the only begotten" Son of God. For you the fact that the Son is "begotten," it is argued, rules our his being eternal. In Galatians 4:4 it says: 4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, Concerning Paul's statement that God sent "born of a woman" we need to point out that this clause most readily refers to the conditions of the Son's sending not to the nature of the Son himself. The verse does not say that God "created" his Son by having him born of a woman. It merely says that God sent his Son, born of a woman. Tyler, there is nothing in this that is at all in tension with the truth of Christ's real pre-existence something we have already seen Paul elsewhere affirm. The human birth of Christ is simply an aspect of "the very nature of a servant" he voluntarily assumed in "being made in human likeness " In Philippians 2:7 it says: 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. "The Word became flesh" (John 1: 14 cf. Tim 3:16) 1 Timothy 3:16 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. The Son did not begin to exist with this enfleshment. Oneness wrongly believes, while Jesus Christ existed from eternity as the "Father", Jesus Christ the Son had a definite beginning in time. A beginning that dates from his conceptions the womb of Mary. As always in support of this position, oneness cite a number of biblical text, but there are of course places where the Scripture teach that Jesus Christ, as the Son of God, preexisted with the Father. For example, various passages in the Gospel John seem to teach the Son's preexistence, for example: In John 17:1-5 it says: Jesus Prays for Himself 17 JESUS SPOKE THESE WORDS, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “FATHER, the hour has come. Glorify YOUR SON, that YOUR SON also may glorify YOU, 2 as You have given HIM AUTHORITY over all flesh, that HE should give eternal life to as many as YOU have given HIM. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom YOU HAVE SENT. 4 I have glorified YOU on the earth. I have finished the work which YOU HAVE GIVEN ME TO DO. 5 And now, O FATHER, GLORIFY ME TOGETHER WITH YOURSELF, WITH THE GLORY WHICH I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD WAS. Oneness believe that Jesus only existed when HE came into the world but here Jesus clearly tells us that HE ALREADY EXISTED WITH THE FATHER BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. In these verses Jesus is not saying nor is he implying that HE was a THOUGHT OR A FUTURISTIC THOUGHT OR A PLAN IN THE MIND OF GOD. Nor Jesus said that he was with the Father in his thoughts. He is claiming that HE already existed alongside or WITH THE FATHER BEFORE the foundation of the world. WITH THE FATHER: The Bible doesn't say that Jesus pre-existed His incarnation as the FATHER, but always that HE was WITH THE FATHER: "And now, O FATHER, glorify ME together WITH YOURSELF, WITH the glory which I had WITH YOU before the world was." (John 17:5) In John 1:1-3 it says: The Eternal Word 1 In the beginning was the WORD, and THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, and the WORD was God. 2 HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD . 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In John 1:1-3 tells us that the: “WORD, WAS IN THE BEGINNING” and “THE WORD WAS WITH GOD" and THE WORD WAS GOD, and THE WORD WAS THE CREATOR.” In John 8:38 it says: "I speak what I have seen WITH MY FATHER, and you do what you have seen with your father." 1 John 1:1-3. Eternal Life 1 THAT WHICH WAS FROM THE BEGINNING, which we have HEARD, which we have SEEN WITH OUR EYES , which we have LOOKED UPON, and OUR HANDS have handled, concerning the Word of life 2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life WHICH WAS WITH THE FATHER AND WAS MANIFESTED TO US 3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is WITH THE FATHER AND WITH HIS SON Jesus Christ." Again: Jesus is not the FATHER in the flesh nor the Son pre-existed as the FATHER. Jesus the BEGOTTEN SON or the WORD of God, WAS WITH THE FATHER and became flesh! Tyler, if you don't know who is this WORD that was in the BEGINNING WITH GOD, just read John 1 Verses 14-18 where it's reveal to us that the WORD was “THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE FATHER.” The Word Becomes Flesh 14 And the WORD BECAME FLESH and dwelt among us, AND WE beheld His GLORY, the GLORY as of THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, full of grace and truth. 15 John bore witness of HIM and cried out, saying, “This was HE OF whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for HE WAS BEFORE me.’ ” 16 And of HIS FULLNESS we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, BUT GRACE and TRUTH CAME THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. 18 No one has seen GOD at any time. THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, who is in the BOSOM of the FATHER, He has DECLARED HIM. In 2 John 3 it says: 3 Grace, mercy, and peace will be with you FROM GOD THE FATHER AND FROM the Lord Jesus Christ, THE SON OF THE FATHER, IN TRUTH AND LOVE. In Colossians 1:12-19 it says: 12 Giving thanks unto the FATHER, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear SON: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 FOR IT PLEASED THE FATHER THAT in him should all fulness dwell; The bible specify that Jesus is called the WORD, the BEGOTTEN SON who was WITH the FATHER before the foundation of the World and was sent to world by the FATHER. However, our human concept of “son” is the birth of a boy child. But, the Bible clearly states that Christ’s pre-existence was since the BEGINNING. Jesus the BEGOTTEN SON or the WORD of God became flesh, the FATHER did not became flesh. Tyler, Jesus is God but HE is NOT the FATHER. Jesus is the BEGOTTEN SON or the WORD of God who was WITH the FATHER before the world was (John 17-1-5).
@@Ranger0890 Well if you haven't heard the word "mode" it doesn't mean that the oneness hasn't used it. As the "modes of existence" The word "modes of existence" is not in the Bible and oneness use it, lol. Do you know that oneness "MODES OF EXISTENCE" have the same attributes as "PERSONS". All Oneness do is change the word "Person" to "mode of existence" and then try to argue against the word "Person", lol.
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Thank you Bro Urshan for this great Bible study. My name is Elaine and I am commenting on my husband Ron's account. I am a former Greek Orthodox and I have learned so much about my former church from you and Bro Bernard's teaching on the history of the trinity.. This particular Bible study was so great as all your others and I appreciate how you touched on the historical reference to Pan. I had a great-uncle Pan and how I wish Greeks would stop naming their kids after Greek false gods...I guess it's the pride of the Greek culture to do so and it's wrong......anyway back to Pan......if you look up the meaning of the word "Pandemonium" it comes from the deity Pan and their awful acts of celebrating their pervert activities. Most of all, I thank the Lord Jesus for reaching for me and pulling me out of the darkness of Constantine's lies and into the light of the Apostles doctrine...God is so good! Thank you for these amazing Bible Studies.....I share them far & wide!!!👍🏼😊
I was a trinitarian for almost 12 years. Then God showed me that I was wrong. I was baptized in Jesus' name on April 28, 1996. Blessed be the Lord!
I've been struggling with oneness vs trinity. But I fully believe in oneness. The preacher at Mid American told us tonight that it is one God! EEphesians 4:5, that hit my heart! I believe I believe!
It’s powerful to understand truth 😭🙌🏻💕
Same here trinity is what we where taught it’s hard to let go! I had to repent of beliefs in trinity I felt heavy need to repent.
Yolanda, the issue is that even oneness can't deny the TRINITY.
It doesn't matter if you are oneness or Trinitarian,
the Trinity is inevitable!
Zechariah 14: 9 was a verse that really opened my eyes. Speaking of the day of the LORD: "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one."
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Trinitarians believe in ONE GOD, THREE PERSONS or TRINITY of PERSONS.
Oneness believe in ONE GOD, THREE modes or TRINITY of modes.
Oneness are TRINITARIANS.
I’m teaching a Southern Baptist pray for me
Excellent once again I will listen to this over and over! This will help me in my search 🔦 search 🔍 for truth bible studies 😇🙌🏻
“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.”
2 Corinthians 13:14
That’s good teaching!!! Thank you brother!
Excellent word Elder!
I love this one God message
Egyptian‘s always put their gods in the form of the trinity the father Osiris, the mother Isis, the son Horus. It all started in Egypt
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@@TheBiblosNetwork just sent, thanks so much and God bless!
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Very interesting. Thank you.
Amen!❤️🙌
Matthew 13:24-30 New King James Version (NKJV)
Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”
Where did ya think/ where trinity came from. It required 350 to get PLANTED into the Roman christain theology. They had 1700 years to alter , add and delet scriptures, to supress any population that qt it. They aligned themselves with tyrant govt to maintain control, they limited what translation were written and made sure the average people never knew any truth. These folks are still in business.. the world council of churches has ONE solid req for membership. Must teach TRINITY. You can play with snakes etc but must have Trinity. TRINITY is the worlds largest cult! The biggest, GOOD OL BOY network in existance.
God in Christ
I testify, with God as my Witness, that I had NEVER heard of Oneness. I was baptized in the Holy Spirit at 23 years old, but at age 40 during a year of unemployment and doing inductive Bible study the whole time, the Spirit of God revealed that He is One. I was so indoctrinated by Trinitarian theology my whole life that I kept testing the Spirit exhaustingly for about two weeks and He just kept revealing this Truth to me! I accepted it and thought I must be the only one in the world -- then found Oneness had been out there all along! Praise God! I may not agree with every practice within the Oneness churches (i.e. baptism is not for salvation, but because of salvation - water doesn't remit sins; I don't believe all will speak with tongues, though I did when I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit; that women shouldn't cut their hair, wear pants or makeup; that believers shouldn't view movies or watch tv...). Some of this is just religion and prevents people from joining the congregations.
David Bernard covers in a lesson are we saved by grace. And explains water baptism and holy spirit baptism involved in our salvation
In my studies I have discovered that the Egyptians used a three tire of gods called a trinity taking three of their gods into a three form
Jesus revealed the Oneness of God to me when I was 14 years old reading the Gospel of John. I was not attending a oneness Church and I did not know there was oneness and trinitarian. I remember wondering who the Father was and immediately God revealed that the Father is God and Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. You see Jesus you see the Father. God revealed it more than once.
I know someone who opposed the doctrine of the Oneness of God and Oneness Pentecostal Church's and God revealed the Oneness of God to him. But he still opposed baptism in Jesus name for the remission of sins. I tried to tell him (so he would think about it) that he was wrong about the Oneness of God so he should consider that he also has the wrong understanding about baptism. He did not want to listen.
I believe Jesus encounter with Philip in John 14:8 - 9 is in scripture because God knew people would need correction / teaching in this area (Luke 24:45). I also think Luke 11:27 - 28 is in scripture to prevent people from exalting Mary.
God holds his Word above His Name. Psalm 138:2 "I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name."
I believe in the oneness of God as well and I'm an Orthodox Christian ☦ 😁. I really really love the church, even though I don't agree with some things but I'm still studying on the oneness of God and I've learned so much from the oneness of God than I've ever learned from trinitarianism.
May you answer this question for me:
- was Jesus praying to Himself
I'm willing to accept the truth
@@viviennebaptiste The Father is God and Son is man. Jesus is all God and He is all man. The Word made flesh (John 1:14). God with us (Matthew 1:23). The image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15). The express image of His person (Hebrews 1:3). You see Jesus, you see the Father (Isaiah 9:6, John 14:9).
God allowed Himself to experience life as we do yet without sin. To reveal Himself to us but foremost to be a mediator. Jesus sacrifice provides what we need and what God needs. "I owed a debt I could not pay, He paid a debt He did not owe, I needed someone to wash my sins away..."
The difference between Father and Son is not a distinction of persons but roles. Divinity and humanity. I think there is a PDF copy of the Oneness of God by David K Bernard online.
We see before the fall that God comuned with Adam and Eve. Through the Bible we see theophanies. God was never indifferent toward His creation.
I think the trinity could be a battle between the flesh and the Spirit. The teaching of one God who is 3 persons is outside the Bible.
@@paulmc2162 the issue is that even when oneness deny the TRINITY they're Trinitarians!
The Trinity is inevitable!
@@msolav63 the thing you don't seem to understand is 3 manifestations of the ONE person of God! Definitely different from what you as a trinitarian believe. And you said it well, these three ARE ONE.... The eternal Spirit is ONE person, there is no eternal Son, but only the begotton Son, that's what's written.
@msolav63 No, actually, we're not Trinitarians, Constantine...
Please get back to the original Book of the Covenant (not the book of the Law) and experience and preach the full and complete message. You have such a kind spirit and therefore you will be powerful to preach the full message. Your Oneness message is powerful.
A God that prays to another God un-Gods himself..... J. Vernon McGee
searching do we worship on Saturday or Sunday
Wouldn’t hurt to worship both days.. just dialoguing
@@maryhelencampos9964…,Worship is a lifestyle.
You are right
John describes his visit to the throne room & didn't include three separate entities co-equal, co-eternal on the throne in Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and behold, a throne throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." The term "Holy One" appears over 50 times in the Bible. Although, the word Trinity can't be found. IT'S TRUTH TIME!
Read Revelation 3:21/ The Son’s Throne The Father’s Throne…Go figure…. Holy One speaks of Unity 3 in One
So many people are coming out of Trinity and going into One Father/Eloheem and One Son/El (2).....help!
There are a few scriptures that mention “ God the Father” maybe that’s where “God the Son “ got mixed up. Just curious how do those scriptures get explained “God the Father” scriptures.
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hilippians 2:5-6 - King James Version (KJV 1900)
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Philippians 2:5-6 - New Living Translation (NLT)
5 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.
6 Though he was God,
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to.
The Godhead and Godhood
Christians do love their spiritual jargon, especially when it is has the epic overtones of the King James Version. Jargon is only useful when we properly know what it means. One such theological word found in and popularised by the KJV is “godhead.” The problem I have with it is that it is used synonymously for the Holy Trinity. As far scripture is concerned it isn’t.
The word “godhead” appears only three times in the KJV at Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20 and Colossians 2:9. [1]The word is from Middle English and means the same as godhood, that is, the state of being god. The -head suffix is the same as -hood which we still use in modern English in words like fatherhood, the state of being a father. [2]Three different Koine Greek words, theion, theiotēs, and theotēs, in order of their appearance in the KJV, were translated as “godhead”. Modern translations of the Bible do not use godhead but tend to use words like deity, the divine nature, or divine being depending on the context. The Greeks used such words to talk about god without referring to any specific one in particular. This particularly makes sense in Acts 17 at the Areopagus where Paul was addressing a Greek audience and presenting his arguments on the true nature of God. Even in somewhat formal English today we refer to God in sort of an impersonal manner by calling him the Deity. So where did this association with the Trinity come from?
On account of the continued popularity of the KJV, the word “godhead” continues to stay in currency. The word was actually introduced into English translations by John Wycliffe, the great English Bible translator and Reformer. [3]As early as the 12th century B.B. Warfield remarks that it was used as a technical term used to refer to the ousia or the substance of God in the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. Since this predated Wycliffe it was probably an influence on why in his translation of the New Testament the term. It was chosen because of its Trinitarian connotations. The KJV was heavily influenced by Wycliffe’s why is why the godhead was probably used in the translation. Its popularity continued in later documents like Thirty-Nine articles of the Church of England and the Westminster confession.
Even though godhead is used to refer to Trinitarian doctrine, in the KJV it is used to translate words that have nothing to do with later theological developments. Even the basic meaning of the word is not Trinitarian and just means being divine. I fully recognise the meaning of a word is determined by how it is used and the word has for a long time assumed that technical theological meaning. All I am saying is whenever we pick up the KJV and read the word, we should not immediately assume it is a reference to the Trinity
There is no evidence that Sabellius taught a sequential modalism or that the father suffered. There were oneness believers who signed the creed at Nicea such as Marcellus of Ancyra. Sabellius was probably a godly biblical teacher.
One Lord his name is Jesus
Isaiah 44:6-8 KJVS
[6] Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. [7] And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. [8] Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it ? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Revelation 1:17 KJVS
[17] And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
CAN THERE BE TWO FIRST AND LAST?
Every Christian believes that Jesus is the Son of God, the Lamb of God, the Messiah, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, the High Priest, son of David, Lion of the Tribe of Judah. But some have a problem with God Father Son And Holy Ghost. God is all and all. His statement...there is no other God means exactly that. God is not the God of confusion. If He was triune He would have plainly said so. Just as He openly reveals the Gospel of His Salvation. Instead of trying to read into the Scriptures, seek the revelation of who God is. There is a reason it is called The Revelation of Jesus Christ.
"Sol" in Swedish means "Sun".
Lord said he was Jesus
New King James Version
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
This is the only scripture that baptizes in name of father son and HS. Four othwrs baptize in name of jesus only.
The last 4 have manuscrips to verify them. The father ,son Hs has no manuscript evidence! But it is in Catholic writtings around 450 ad.
The Roman Catholic Church….
The issue is that onenesses have created division by basically suggesting that trinitarians are not saved. No other group such as Baptists, Presbyterians, Evangelicals etc, etc creates such a division or say such a thing as oneness. We may have our differences but not to that extent.
I don't agree with falsely accusing any group but how many times do oneness accuse Trinitarians of being pagans?
I have read and researched Oneness theology for many years which is why I am so strongly opposed to it. I have not inherited this belief nor have I been taught to reject Oneness theology mindlessly. After a lifetime of studying the scriptures, I'm convinced that trinitarian theology is both logical and biblical. Although on many forums such as this one, I've been called Godless, blasphemous, pagan or polytheistic, and had my salvation questioned or even flat out denied by the majority of Oneness believers I've encountered. Those Oneness believers based their attacks on their belief that only Oneness believers understand the "mystery" of God and are eligible for salvation. This is not only a lie, but it voids the sacrifice of the cross since salvation is now based on understanding the "mystery or the key" (which is not biblical in any way). That is a very dangerous line of thinking. In over 10 years I have only found one or two oneness' who have accepted that Trinitarians are not polytheists but they are only a small minority. The majority of Oneness followers reject that we also believe in ONE God, despite being told this many many times over. However, they are in line with the hypocritical belief that God can be THREE modes or manifestations, but not THREE persons.
A) Trinitarians believe in ONE GOD THREE PERSONS or TRINITY of PERSONS.
B) Oneness believe in ONE GOD THREE modes/manifestations or TRINITY of modes.
I can't wrap my head around the splitting of hairs Oneness followers have on this issue.
Can someone explain to me how it is that oneness are not Trinitarians? Of course they are Trinitarians.
It was Jesus who brought to us the revelation of the FATHER, Son and the Holy Spirit in Mathew 28:18-20.
Let's go back to grade school and do simple math:
The PERSON or "mode/manifestation," of the Father is ONE.
The PERSON or "mode/manifestation" of the Son is TWO.
The "mode/manifestation" of the Holy Spirit is THREE.
So how many "PERSONS, modes/manifestations" do you HAVE "THREE. The word TRINITY comes from THREE". Oneness are TRINITARIANS because the TRINITY is a biblical fact that cannot be denied even when doing the scriptural acrobatics as oneness does. Even if they are supposedly representations they are THREE.
Beside, oneness go around and DIVIDE Jesus INTO TWO SUBSTANCES the human and the divine and then they criticize the Trinitarians saying that God is numerically indivisible.
Question: did the Bible mentioned the FATHER, the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT. The answer is: YES.
How many are MENTIONED? One, two or three? The answer is: THREE.
There's only one God, but whether you call it modes, PERSONS, manifestations, masks, spheres, titles, functions etc, you have to acknowledge that there are THREE. To say anything different is to deny the Bible. I'm surprised that oneness deny they are not Trinitarians when they believe in THREE MODES/ MANIFESTATIONS since that is a cornerstone of Oneness theology.
We are essentially saying the same basic things while trying to explain God.
The question is: "Can THREE distinct, divine PERSONS really be ONE being?" The short answer is YES.
What's "out there" to me is why Oneness followers continually
attack trinitarians but, If trinitarians are not polytheistic and can also be saved what's the issue? That we disagree on what term to use when describing an attribute of a being that is infinitely greater than anything we can comprehend? It seems that Oneness believers try to put the almighty God into a box based on human logic and understanding.
Wow! Very well put! I am a former Roman Catholic and still a believer in the "Father", the "Son", and the "Holy Spirit". However, I do not believe that the Bible presented Yahweh God as being other than ONE Person/Being. In other words, ONLY Yahweh God, the Father, is God, and Jesus is the Human Son of God, and the " Spirit OF God" is Yahweh God's OWN Spirit and is not ANOTHER God nor ANOTHER Person/ Being.
Yahweh God BECAME the Father of the child Jesus AFTER He BEGOT him, in Mary's womb, around 5 B. C. when he was CONCEIVED and not, as BOTH "oneness" and "trinitarian" myths declare, INCARNATED. No Biblical Author or Character ever spoke or wrote a historical NARRATIVE about HOW Jesus supposedly INCARNATED himself. Matthew and Luke, the official Biographers of the ORIGIN of Jesus have absolutely nothing to say about a so called INCARNATION of Yahweh God.
The Pagans, since before the birth of Christ, believed in multiple "gods" in various FORMS. They virtually invented them as they went along. At the time of the Apostles and first Christians they were still very active. The Jews were the only ones who believed in ONLY ONE TRUE God, Yahweh, which made THEM unique. They had no 2 Gods, no 3 Gods, no 2 in 1, 3 in 1, 4 in 1, nor 2 modes in 1, nor 3 modes in 1, ad infinitum. Jesus tells us that there is ONLY ONE GOD, the Father, and no one else. The Son is not God, the Spirit of God is not another Person but simply Yahweh God's Spirit, as you and I have our own Spirit.
Paul tells us that in order to be saved we MUST BELIEVE, not that the Man Jesus is God, but that the Man, immortal after resurrection, is Lord or MASTER. He is the Anointed (Messiah/Christ) Man whom Yahweh God has MADE Lord over all of His Creation, both in Heaven and on Earth. He is the highest ranking Man in the Universe, but he is not God. There is ONLY ONE GOD in Heaven, Yahweh God, the Father.
This was interesting. The earliest reference to the Trinity comes from the Antiochene church, where they were first called Christians, from an ancient Antioch pastor. I teach Ancient Antiochene Christianity...the earliest true doctrines of the Church. I document also.
The earliest true doctrine comes from Simon peter and the rest of the Apostles.... Right?? Those were the Christians that was referred to at Antioch.... Right???
I’ve been told that the term “Christian” was coined by the unbelievers, used to describe the followers of Christ, with a negative spin; not serving as a compliment. Jesus said, “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift the Father promised, which you have heard Me discuss. 5For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1 NLT.
The Church began in Jerusalem. New Jerusalem is forever. Revelation 3:12, 21:2
@@anneviggiano3801 Jesus did say wait for the promise of the Father... But he also said that they would be witnessing of him FIRST in Jerusalem then to Judea and lastly to Samaria.... AND TO THE REST OF THE EARTH...In othe words ... He was plainly saying .... Go out and preach my Gospel in all of the WORLD
@@ronniemiller2624 Hi!! Yes. Indeed. The whole Gospel. To the whole world. By the whole Church. The issue remains, then. Where and when does New Testament teaching/doctrine begin? Acts 2:42
Antioch was visited by Barnabas, some ten years later, to teach what he’d been taught. Ten years earlier. So. Two issues here. The origin of the Trinity teaching. And the date of the birth/origin of the Church. Which occurred first in the timeline. To wit. One must describe the essential elements of said disciples, being made.
@@anneviggiano3801 Question.. If peter preached the first Gospel message.. Acts.2:37-38...Then wouldn't all the other disciples including Barnabas.... Preach the same message??? And was it the Trinity??? If it was... Then there's something horribly wrong... Paul said if ANY Man come to us and preach ANY other GOSPEL than what they preached ... They are accused... Right !!
Whether you're struggling with the doctrine of one God or trinity, submit yourself and doctrine to God for it to become foundation.
The doctrine of the trinity is demonic so everyone who teaches it are being influenced by demonic spirits.
God the Father became his own Son
Scripture reads The Father send His Son/ /// The Father did not say I will send Myself( The Father can never die)…. Read Revelation 3:21 and John 1:18….BTW: Don’t be blasphemous calling Trinity demonic that’s rude not bold insulting The Godhead …. According to the Book of Revelation The True Apostolic Church the Ecclesia the called out Assembly//:: The True Church of the Living GOD are those whose Robes are WASH in the Blood of The Lamb.. It’s not Religious Institutions Organizations nor Denominations… from a former UPC who don’t go around calling Oneness demonic/ if you love The LORD regardless if Oneness’s Trinity or Compound Unity (Jewish Messianic Brethren Believers refers to the Godhead) we all agree in the death burial and resurrection atonement of Christ Jesus Yeshua of Calvary’s Cross and He is GOD in flesh ( the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily in Him… Amen So be it.
No person should make such a blasphemous statement/ that the doctrine of the Trinity is demonic Or Oneness is demonic/ that’s insulting to the Godhead…We are all still One in Christ…
@maryhelencampos9964 so, who coined the word trinitas or trinity and who formulated the doctrine of the trinity?
Is the doctrine of God one or trinity?
Show actual scripture
Why don’t you just say ‘ONE God’ as Oneness is also not found in the bible?
I agree. We always like to say the word trinity is not in the Bible all while using the word oneness over and over again.
The father did not become the son. The father (spirit) dwells inside the man Christ Jesus and this is why Jesus is God. Sometimes oneness/apostolic folks teach that the the father morphed into the son but rather the fullness of the godhead dwells bodily in the man Christ Jesus. See Colossians 2:19, Colossians 2:9 , 1 Timothy 3:16. 2 Corinthians 5:19.
1 Timothy 3:16 KJVS
[16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Isaiah 9:6 KJVS
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Read slowly.
God did not enter the already formed Man Christ Jesus. The Scripture in 1Timothy is plain. God was born into flesh. There is the mystery. God became a seed in the womb of Mary.
Father (spirit)? God is Spirit and His Spirit is Holy (Holy Spirit). Jesus didn’t have the Spirit of God He is God.
@@hargisP2 I totally agree with these verses. We just need to make sure we don't deny the father (spirit) had a son (flesh). The spirit is inside the son. The father did not become the son he is manifested (revealed) in the son.
@@randyclark222 So you are declaring they are separate? The Spirit is the actual person. The body is a tent.
@@hargisP2 separate yes as far as flesh and spirit. God (spirit) has been manifested in the flesh not became the flesh. “Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.”
- 1 John 2:23 (KJV)
@@randyclark222 manifest: : able to be seen : clearly shown or visible. Because we can’t see spirit.
John 1:14-15 KJVS
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. [15] John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
How could Jesus be before John, when John was born 6 months before Jesus. Only because he God in the flesh. Yes Jesus had a human nature, and was still God.
You say you believe the scriptures but yet have a different understanding, and you limit God’s ability.
Ooof this guy does not know his church history
Great now write a refutation so we can believe the Trinity
The saddest thing about this is that even though onenesses deny it, they are Trinitarians.
The Trinity is inevitable!
the thing you don't seem to understand is 3 manifestations of the ONE person of God! Definitely different from what you as a trinitarian believe. And you said it well, these three ARE ONE.... The eternal Spirit is ONE person, there is no eternal Son, but only the begotton Son, that's what's written.
@Lift the Lid
2) Lift the Lid again, in the original text of the Bible, the first word that is used for God is the Hebrew word "Elohim". The first sentence in the Bible says, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth". In the original Hebrew, "Bereshit bara Elohim et ha'shamayim ve'et ha'aretz". Seven words. The third word is the word for "God" (Elohim). It's an interesting word. The word is plural in form, but singular in meaning. There are many places in the Hebrew text where this word Elohim means "gods" with a small g, plural. The Yud Mem ending on the word is the plural form of the masculine noun. But in Genesis 1:1, Elohim means God, singular, because the firm of the verb "Bara" (created) dictates that. Singular in meaning, but plural in form. The scripture is hinting us something. As New Testament believers in Jesus, we believe in a Godhead... God who is THREE IN ONE... FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT. This thinking is not easy for oneness to handle. A foundational scripture for Christians is Deuteronomy chapter 6 verse 4. "Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad".( Hear O Israel. The Lord our God, the Lord is One). God is One but in scripture its possible to be more than one, but in absolute unity. Genesis chapter 2:24 says, "a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife, and they shall become ONE FLESH. In Hebrew," ve'hayu le'basar echad". (Echad... one). TWO BECOME ONE. TWO separates humans being, but in God's sight, ONE. Inseparable. This is an important principle. However, as I stated before it's not easy for oneness to think of God in this way.
In order to understand this concept let's read in John 10:30
"I and MY FATHER ARE ONE".
We read that certain Jews wanted to stone Jesus for saying that He was ONE WITH THE FATHER. He also said He wanted them to "know and understand that the FATHER is in ME and I in the FATHER".
Jesus defines the term “TO BE ONE.” It is clearly accomplished through the relationship of TWO separate beings. Christian believers are to model their relationship (to become one) after the relationship of God and Christ (as God and Christ are one). Again: notice that “TO BE ONE” do not mean to be the same person or being. They are all one in motivation, mind and thought. The FATHER is not Jesus the Begotten SON nor the SON is the FATHER. BOTH are in complete unity and agreement as it says in:
John 14:10-11
10 Do you not believe that I am in the FATHER, and the FATHER in ME? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on MY own authority; but the FATHER who dwells in ME does the works.
11 Believe Me that I am in the FATHER and the FATHER in ME, or else believe ME for the sake of the works themselves
Lift the Lid, oneness believers frequently cite the second part of this last statement, "the Father is in Me," to mean that the deity ("Father") dwells in the humanity ("Son") of Jesus. This view, however, fails to explain the first part of the sentence, "I am in the Father," which in Oneness terms would have to mean that the human nature of Jesus dwells in the deity the opposite of what they believe.
Moreover, it fails to account for the fact that "in this same context," as well as elsewhere, Jesus uses this sort of expression to denote His unity with believers:
In John 14:20 it says:
20 At that day you will know that I am in MY FATHER, and you in ME, and I in you.
In John 17:20-23 it says:
20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
21 that THEY all may BE ONE, as You, FATHER, are in ME, and I in YOU; that they also may be one in US, that the world may believe that YOU sent Me.
22 And the glory which You gave ME I have given THEM, that they may BE ONE just as WE ARE ONE:
23 I in them, and YOU in ME; that THEY may be made perfect IN ONE, and that the world may know that YOU have sent ME, and have loved them as YOU have loved ME.
Lift the Lid, not because Jesus is in US means that we are Jesus. Not because the Father is in Jesus means that Jesus is the Father.
Consider this: even when we are made of flesh, we can be together AS ONE MAN even if we are not spirits.
As it says in Nehemiah 8:1
8 Now all the people gathered together AS ONE MAN in the open square that was in front of the Water Gate; and they told Ezra the scribe to bring the Book of the Law of Moses, which the Lord had commanded Israel.
Judges 20:1-2
1 So all the children of Israel came out, from Dan to Beersheba, as well as from the land of Gilead, and the congregation GATHERED TOGETHER AS ONE MAN before the Lord at Mizpah.
2 And the leaders of all the people, all the tribes of Israel, presented themselves in the assembly of the people of God, FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND FOOT SOLDIERS who drew the sword.
How many men were there? Four hundred thousand but they came out AS ONE MAN. They went with the same feeling, with the same goal they were in the same agreement.
Likewise, Jesus and the Father are ONE, they are in the same agreement.
As it says in Romans 12:5
5 so WE, being MANY, are ONE body in Christ, and individually members of one another.
The FATHER, The SON and the HOLY SPIRIT are ONE.
@@liftthelid4270If the Eternal Spirit is One that automatically makes the Son Eternal (The Sonship)Inheritance…Read John 1:18 & Revelation 3:21… just dialoguing
The word Christmas isn't in the Bible either....Christ Mass. Yet Christians do celebrate it.
Except that the word was started by the Church of Rome. The Catholic Church. Nice try.
@@hargisP2
The word "modes of existence" is not in the Bible and oneness use it, lol.
Do you know that oneness "MODES OF EXISTENCE" have the same attributes as "PERSONS". All Oneness do is change the word "Person" to "mode of existence" and
then try to argue against the word "Person".
While oneness believers reject the doctrine of the Trinity, they nevertheless accept the doctrine of Dual Nature. Is it logical to reject the idea that God is a Trinity of Persons, and yet maintain the key doctrine wich supports that idea? Of course not. Does the Bible explicitly teach anywhere that Jesus was comprised of two natures? No, it does not. It must be inferred from the text in the same manner that the Trinity is inferred from the text by many. Oneness criticizes Trinitarians for building a doctrine out of proof texts, rather than hearing the whole, clear counsel of God, while on the other hand they are doing the exact same thing with respect to the regarding Dual Nature. Oneness are being hypocritical without even realizing it, holding Trinitarians to a higher standard than they are holding themselves to.
The word "modes of existence" is not in the Bible and oneness use it, lol.
Do you guys know that oneness "MODES OF EXISTENCE" have the same attributes as "PERSONS". All Oneness do is change the word "Person" to "mode of existence" and
then try to argue against the word "Person".
we use the biblical word, manifestations actually. We do not argue against the person of God, we stand against the doctrine that are persons of God. Its not in the bible anywhere. Please show me....I'm sure you're aware you cannot. The trinity is blantantly false doctrine. That's why we stand so strongly against it.
@Lift the Lid
The Word "PERSON" is Biblical Terminology. The word mode or modes is not.
Lift the Lid, I hope you notice that the Bible mention the word "PERSON" in comparison BETWEEN Jesus the Son and God the Father.
Jesus is the image just like we're also the Image of God in a moral, spiritual, and intellectual nature (Gen 1:27).
In Hebrews 1:3 it says:
3 who being the brightness of HIS GLORY and the express IMAGE OF HIS PERSON and upholding all things by the word of HIS power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.
Within a theological context, PERSON does not necessary refer to someone who possesses a physical body. Rather, a "PERSON" refers to an identity and set of characteristics that are unique when compared to none persons. The image of God is the most significant delineating factor which distinguishes man from physical creatures, and it's endows him with the confluence of qualities that is specific only to persons, namely, a mental faculty which possesses volition, logic, abstract thought, moral agency, self awareness, rationality, and emotive expressions. We may appropriately summarize these qualities as those that belong to a subject who is capable of love.
Let me ask you, did Jesus have a body? Of course.
Now is a donkey a person? Of course not, it is an animal but, still a donkey also has a body. So to be a person you necessarily need a body? Of course NOT, because if that was the case a donkey would be a person.
I know that you reject the word PERSON but wasn't Jesus a PERSON like you and I? The answer is: yes, of course. So we would have to conclude that Jesus is DIVINE and also a PERSON or a man. There is no problem to use the word PERSON nor there is no problem in using the word as first PERSON, second PERSON or third PERSON or THREE PERSONS.
@Tyler Lane
Tyler, of course oneness use the word "modes".
Besides, the word omniscient is not in the Bible but the concept is, so that means that God is not omniscient because the word omniscient is not found in the bible? Of course not. The same thing happens with the word Trinity or God the Son that is not found in the bible but the concept is.
While oneness believers reject the doctrine of the Trinity, they nevertheless accept the doctrine of Dual Nature. Is it logical to reject the idea that God is a Trinity of Persons, and yet maintain the key doctrine wich supports that idea? Of course not.
Tyler, does the Bible explicitly teach anywhere that Jesus was comprised of two natures? No, it does not. It must be inferred from the text in the same manner that the Trinity is inferred from the text by many. Oneness criticizes Trinitarians for building a doctrine out of proof texts, rather than hearing the whole, clear counsel of God, while on the other hand they are doing the exact same thing with respect to the regarding Dual Nature. Oneness are being hypocritical without even realizing it, holding Trinitarians to a higher standard than they are holding themselves to.
@Tyler Lane
Tyler, you attempt to utilize John to show that the title of "Son" refers only to the temporal humanity of Christ as "the only begotten" Son of God. For you the fact that the Son is "begotten," it is argued, rules our his being eternal.
In Galatians 4:4 it says:
4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
Concerning Paul's statement that God sent "born of a woman" we need to point out that this clause most readily refers to the conditions of the Son's sending not to the nature of the Son himself. The verse does not say that God "created" his Son by having him born of a woman. It merely says that God sent his Son, born of a woman.
Tyler, there is nothing in this that is at all in tension with the truth of Christ's real pre-existence something we have already seen Paul elsewhere affirm. The human birth of Christ is simply an aspect of "the very nature of a servant" he voluntarily assumed in "being made in human likeness "
In Philippians 2:7 it says:
7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
"The Word became flesh" (John 1: 14 cf. Tim 3:16)
1 Timothy 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
The Son did not begin to exist with this enfleshment. Oneness wrongly believes, while Jesus Christ existed from eternity as the "Father", Jesus Christ the Son had a definite beginning in time. A beginning that dates from his conceptions the womb of Mary. As always in support of this position, oneness cite a number of biblical text, but there are of course places where the Scripture teach that Jesus Christ, as the Son of God, preexisted with the Father. For example, various passages in the Gospel John seem to teach the Son's preexistence, for example:
In John 17:1-5 it says:
Jesus Prays for Himself
17 JESUS SPOKE THESE WORDS, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “FATHER, the hour has come. Glorify YOUR SON, that YOUR SON also may glorify YOU,
2 as You have given HIM AUTHORITY over all flesh, that HE should give eternal life to as many as YOU have given HIM.
3 And this is eternal life, that they may know YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom YOU HAVE SENT.
4 I have glorified YOU on the earth. I have finished the work which YOU HAVE GIVEN ME TO DO.
5 And now, O FATHER, GLORIFY ME TOGETHER WITH YOURSELF, WITH THE GLORY WHICH I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.
Oneness believe that Jesus only existed when HE came into the world but here Jesus clearly tells us that HE ALREADY EXISTED WITH THE FATHER BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
In these verses Jesus is not saying nor is he implying that HE was a THOUGHT OR A FUTURISTIC THOUGHT OR A PLAN IN THE MIND OF GOD.
Nor Jesus said that he was with the Father in his thoughts.
He is claiming that HE already existed alongside or WITH THE FATHER BEFORE the foundation of the world.
WITH THE FATHER:
The Bible doesn't say that Jesus pre-existed His incarnation as the FATHER, but always that HE was WITH THE FATHER: "And now, O FATHER, glorify ME together WITH YOURSELF, WITH the glory which I had WITH YOU before the world was." (John 17:5)
In John 1:1-3 it says:
The Eternal Word
1 In the beginning was the WORD, and THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, and the WORD was God.
2 HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD .
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
In John 1:1-3 tells us that the: “WORD, WAS IN THE BEGINNING” and “THE WORD WAS WITH GOD" and THE WORD WAS GOD, and THE WORD WAS THE CREATOR.”
In John 8:38 it says:
"I speak what I have seen WITH MY FATHER, and you do what you have seen with your father."
1 John 1:1-3.
Eternal Life
1 THAT WHICH WAS FROM THE BEGINNING, which we have HEARD, which we have SEEN WITH OUR EYES , which we have LOOKED UPON, and OUR HANDS have handled, concerning the Word of life
2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life WHICH WAS WITH THE FATHER AND WAS MANIFESTED TO US
3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is WITH THE FATHER AND WITH HIS SON Jesus Christ."
Again: Jesus is not the FATHER in the flesh nor the Son pre-existed as the FATHER. Jesus the BEGOTTEN SON or the WORD of God, WAS WITH THE FATHER and became flesh!
Tyler, if you don't know who is this WORD that was in the BEGINNING WITH GOD, just read John 1 Verses 14-18 where it's reveal to us that the WORD was “THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE FATHER.”
The Word Becomes Flesh
14 And the WORD BECAME FLESH and dwelt among us, AND WE beheld His GLORY, the GLORY as of THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, full of grace and truth.
15 John bore witness of HIM and cried out, saying, “This was HE OF whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for HE WAS BEFORE me.’ ”
16 And of HIS FULLNESS we have all received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given through Moses, BUT GRACE and TRUTH CAME THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.
18 No one has seen GOD at any time. THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, who is in the BOSOM of the FATHER, He has DECLARED HIM.
In 2 John 3 it says:
3 Grace, mercy, and peace will be with you FROM GOD THE FATHER AND FROM the Lord Jesus Christ, THE SON OF THE FATHER, IN TRUTH AND LOVE.
In Colossians 1:12-19 it says:
12 Giving thanks unto the FATHER, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear SON:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 FOR IT PLEASED THE FATHER THAT in him should all fulness dwell;
The bible specify that Jesus is called the WORD, the BEGOTTEN SON who was WITH the FATHER before the foundation of the World and was sent to world by the FATHER.
However, our human concept of “son” is the birth of a boy child. But, the Bible clearly states that Christ’s pre-existence was since the BEGINNING. Jesus the BEGOTTEN SON or the WORD of God became flesh, the FATHER did not became flesh.
Tyler, Jesus is God but HE is NOT the FATHER. Jesus is the BEGOTTEN SON or the WORD of God who was WITH the FATHER before the world was (John 17-1-5).
@@Ranger0890
Well if you haven't heard the word "mode" it doesn't mean that the oneness hasn't used it. As the "modes of existence"
The word "modes of existence" is not in the Bible and oneness use it, lol.
Do you know that oneness "MODES OF EXISTENCE" have the same attributes as "PERSONS". All Oneness do is change the word "Person" to "mode of existence" and
then try to argue against the word "Person", lol.
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