The 1980s Executive Car Story
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- You might have seen my video on 1970s executive cars where I take a look at all the cars that were sold in the UK. If it was a battle royale between the major car companies in the 1970s, it got even more intense in the 1980s. As with the previous video, I’ve tried to narrow the market down to four door saloons with a wheelbase over 2.6m (8’ 6”), but nothing overly expensive. These are the cars I remember from my childhood, as this is the sort of car my father was driving.
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I just live all those cars with simple engineering and design inside and out . That Mercedes Benz on your thumbnail with simple basic wheel covers is an perfect example of what cars should . Not these EVs thar are more like a computer workstation on r wheels
Petition to make a video on Mercedes Benz story!
Yes I agree as well... We need a Mercedes Benz story and also on their specific models from the different decades. You've avoided Alot of the MB Cars, and I know your videos on them will be a hit....
Oh, sure. Pick the LONGEST history 😂
Agreed. Mercedes has a very long and interesting history. And I also noticed how the 7-series get mentioned but the S-class doesn't. :D It was in the 70s and 80s that Mercedes were at the absolute top of their game! I mean, seriously... you still see w123 and w124's, most of which have 500,000km or more on the clock, still in daily use all over Africa. You just don't get tougher than that.
@keitadarkwolf2591 One million at least
Yes please
You are telling me "between nose and lips" that Marcello Gandini passed away in March 2024?, such a pitty! A legend in car industry he was!
13 March 2024
I'm from Chile, and my dad named me "Marcelo" after Gandini.
He owned a Fiat 132 and a Citroën BX.
I once owned an E12 5 series.
He was my favorite designer, RIP.
We want a full episode on the w201 190 benz, i still drive my father's 1991 as a daily, 500k km, best car i've ever driven tbh
I had two W201s the first was a 190e 2.0 and the next was the 2.3 Cosworth, but the insurance was too high, and I only kept it a year.
I still think these were the best built cars I have ever owned. The last ever properly built Benz
Awesome. I’m in SoCal still many survivor Benz on the road doing everything!
Always makes me think about the options available on cars in the 80's and 90's and how they were worded in classified newspaper advert. I always imagine how my old 2007 Ford Focus MK2 Style (base model) TDCI would have been listed back then. Something like Ford Focus Turbo Diesel, 1800cc, 5-Speed manual, Air Conditioning, Trip Computer, PAS, Remote Central Locking, ABS, Airbags, Electric Front Windows, CD Player, AM/FM radio with steering wheel volume controls, Fog Lights, Reach/Rake adjustable leather steering wheel, Electric heated dual mirrors, Vanity Mirrors with lights, Rear headrests, 60/40 split rear seats, Body coloured bumpers and mirrors, automatic choke. £1500 ono. By 80's standards my old base model Focus would have been a range topper.
What about the salvage sections?
Light to moderate O/S frontal not hard airbags ok drives.
12:50 ...'the Ambassador was taken out behind the shed and shot'. 😆🤣
Yeah, I liked that as well!
It was for the best.
Shame it wasn’t just aborted before it was born.
I have to say as someone who has owned two of the Princess it was based on, it (the Princess) was a great car for the market in the 70s, if only it could have been built properly and with a hatch.
I think killing off the Wolseley version was a mistake too: It was quite popular already for the six months it was on sale as a niche, quality product that capitalised on the Wolseley brand - if it could have established a reputation for quality then, as this video infers, customers would have bought something at this end of the market that would have held its value.
To complete the “if only” scenario, the engines needed to be breathed on a little to give them a little boost in power across the range and would have addressed the other competitive weak point.
I like how you could summarize mercedez in the 80's as "they made/updated this car, it was well made and it sold well"
1. The Saab 9000 was only a hatch at launch. The saloon came later.
2. The Rover 800 was only available as a saloon at launch, the hatch came later.
Surely the Mitsubishi Galant deserves a mention also? It was very successful in the 80s
Galant was a sedan, the hatchback came later
Indeed the Galant, and the Lonsdale
And debonair
At least in Germany we also had the "Sapporo" saloon, basically an upmarket Galant, which was replaced in 1990 by the Sigma. But both only sold in very small numbers.
Galant is not an executive sedan.
They had the Sigma and Debonnair for that
The XM was the last true crazy citroen. the XM Y4 top line had still the best ride quality and comfort I have ever experienced in my life. So many small touches of genius, like the elevated rear seats to give you a commanding view when being chauffeured. The people working on the XM clearly loved that car, and so did I.
Thanks for bringing back childhood memories for me. My Dad bought a 1979 Renault 20TS used in 1981, I was a teenager at the time, and I thought this was the height of luxury at the time, the ride quality was lovely, as was the interior. Dad remembers it as a gas guzzler with poor acceleration.
Can't wait for the 90s.
That's what I said as a teenager.
@@BigCar2 hahahha
W201 Deserves an Episode all on its own the last of the True High Quality Mercedes Benz Passenger Cars.
Watch the Carmudgeon episode on the W201
@@energymc22come on, don’t make him watch all those episodes
Always great to see a new upload.. Thank you.
Glad to see the Senator getting some love, great cars that handled big miles in absolute comfort
About this category of automobile, I recall reading "these are the cars that make Schengen acceptable". 😄
The car you call "Cortina" was actually Ford Taunus here in "rest of the Europe". We had both Cortinas and Taunuses in the 70's before this 76 boxy model came out. I think the Cortinas were made in England and Taunuses in Germany.
This channel always gets an automatic thumbs up...& I've yet to be disappointed...very impressive
20:07 The Opel Senator B offered an the electronical suspension (Ride Control) with 3 available modes Sport, Middle, Comfort and a servotronic (variable steering support depanding on the speed) These were unique features in that time and that price range.
1988 only a 959 of Porsche had such a suspension.
Considering all the equipment you said people wanted were standard US luxury car equipment all the way back in the 50s, I feel if US luxury cars from the 80s were smaller and more reliable they would have dominated the British car market. Lincolns and caddis had soft close doors and trunks back in like the 60s much less power windows. GM and Ford were working on touch screen radio systems with GM selling 3 separate vehicles with it. They really did squander any possibility of dominating in Europe, especially GM and Chrysler.
And lacked the proper 4 and 6 cylinder engines to power such cars.
Check out some dimensions. The Ford Scorpio "executive car" was 1.76m wide. A more sensible width than my overly wide Golf MK7. Europeans would have laughed (or cried) at American MPGs. As for GM, Vauxhall and Opel were both owned by GM and had been for years.
Problem is car luxury in the US is measured in cupholders, not quality of the materials and ride.
us cars were and are trash in build quality and handling.
they were indeed BETTER than european cars once , but you have to go far back to the 50s and 60s for those. In the 80s they were behind in all except in size and luxury.. but europe wasn;t wealthy enough yet for that luxury, not many people here drove these mercedes or audi cars, most ordinary people had a VW Golf size car or smaller.
so even if they had room for large cars in europe, they didn't have the money .
(and those Executive managers that actually DID have the money, wanted something better, hence the german domination )
Oh Boy do i miss those days...i remember a lot of stuff beeing simpler.
Thank you for the trip down memory lane!
Love your work sir. Every one of the videos is worth watching. I hope you won’t stop. It’s a joy.
As a former 420sel owner and a Saab owner for the last 20 years, there's nothing like the ride of a W126 Merc. Great video sir!
I have one of the last American executive cars, a 2001 Lincoln town car. And I love it! My dream car rn is a Toyota century. I have fallen in love with executive cars!
1980s executive cars have always been the most appealing to me. My Volvo 240 and 940 (a mild refresh of the 740 for the '90s) were my favorite cars, but I liked many other '80s executive cars.
The 80s were the golden era of European luxury cars.. the Audi 5000, the BMW E28, Citroen XM and Peugeot 505 were my favorites as an American teenager
Great video again. I still own a Citroen XM today and it still is fairly reliable and unbeaten in comfort. Functional too, I really don't know why I should get a more modern car. Mind you, the XM still feels modern today.
A lovely drive down memory lane of my childhood staring out of the car window.
For me it's going to be Datsun 280c or 300c. Extremely reliable, soft ride, quiet, tons of equipment, 6-cylinder power, American styling, American steering (too light :D ). And of course those 6-cylinders were super reliable and car weighted over 1500 kg so those were BIG cruisers. Taxi service loved them in the 80's Finland. These had way more US than Europe design so not for everyone for sure.
Thoroughly enjoyed the podcasts that you have released so far..
Glad to hear it Paul.
Brilliant video. Incredibly well researched and presented, as always. Perhaps your best yet?
As I was born in 1965, this video was a trip through my automotive life. You mentioned many cars I'd forgotten had existed (eg, Lancia Thema, Vauxhall Royale, Renault 20/30, Fiat Argenta, Peugeot 604 & Datsun Laurel).
Choice may have dwindled, but quality has increased exponentially over the last 50 years or so.
We had a Fiat Croma, that car was unbelievable comfortable and reliable
I was stationed in good ol’ West Germany in the late ‘80s. Good times. Watching the German Touring cars 190s and 3 sedans fender to fender at the Hockenheimring! 🏁 My friend would sometimes get his Grandpa’s 190 that was just a solid little sedan. Today I’m still whipping my 2010 E550 rwd V8 with AMG bits. Fantastic car even 14 years on, and a perfect size.
Loved my old Chrysler 180 in the same green as the picture even though it rearly ran on all cylinders due to the Magneti-marelli ignition system and the handbrake only worked for about 2 weeks after fitting new pads! When it did run it was a flying machine - it's 1804cc's putting out more power than a 2 ltr Cortina! Thanks for a great video.
These are the cars that made me an enthusiast; a high hurdle that has left me increasingly embittered each decade. I would have included the ALFA Romeo 75, but probably because I had one of the 3.0V6 Verde models. You couldn't make a case for any of them as 'best', since 75% of the ones you mentioned were truly exceptional. I'd gladly give up every superfluous horsepower and mile per hour of top speed we have now just to return to the intrinsic 'soundness' and robust reliability of these excellent cars.
Superb video as always! Looking forward for stories on '90s and 2000s executive cars 😁
Excellent. Loads of memories here. Thanks for making!!
I knew your channel long ago and I was always interested in the content, but i didn’t liked your style (a big compliment is coming, don’t worry) I found it boring… but yesterday i watched many of your videos, and they are so well investigated and insightful, and I ended up finding your voice very soothing, and you dont really fall for any of the annoying TH-camrs manierism. Is a very different, not flashy, car loving and informative way of doing a motor channel… i finally subscribed and im enjoying your content and your very authentic style, I guessed Im mature now (turned 40 last year), and now I appreciate straight to the point, not loud, deprived of unnecessary transitions and vfx, just to stretch the viewing time and cover the lack of content… so common in the motor channels… kudos for your barebone but very interesting approach, my friend… Un abrazo desde Chile!
Excellent episode Big Car Man! It's amazing how the big executive saloon/sedan as vanished from the scene and now all you see are bland SUV's that all look the same!
Great video as always!
I just relived my childhood there… doing a paper round I would pass many of these cars in suburban exec land, and back in the day, some cars were swapped annually…no 3 year leases then!…
I honestly loved every single car in that video!
Fantastic overview.
Hooray, a mention of the almost mythological Vauxhall Senator! They weren't exactly commonplace, and the only one I knew of was my schoolfriend's dad. And did my friend go on about it or what!
The Vauxhall Royale and Viceroy were even rarer. The police used Senators round my way.
@@AtheistOrphanas far as i know the Viceroy was sold less than 2000 between 1978 and 1982. the Viceroy was the UK-version of the Opel Commodore, built between 1978 and 1982. on the continent there was also an estate version, called "Commodore Voyage" which sounds nobler than "Caravan" .
Please make one on the 90s executive cars thanks, great video thanks
Thank you for taking the time to Film the Video 😊
Great idea on the podcasts - will definitely be taking you up on that! While walking the dog (2 X every day for 1 hour each - he is a big German Shepherd!) so I use podcasts rather than TH-cam because you have to have premium to close the screen - you have to keep it on in your pocket if not, anyway - it's much easier for podcasts while dog walking when you want to just listen to great info - don't always need pics. Great work as always, Thank you.
Actually, petition to make a video about the most legendary Mercedes, and probably legendary car, of all times : the W124.
… a car that still drives modern 30 years later… and that, despite its age, is more reliable than a 2 year old car.
Can't wait to see the 90's executive car video. I've always found Alfa and Lancia cars intriguing, but in the states they had a bad reputation. They used Peugeot 505 as a taxi in NYC, fazing out the ubiquitous Checker Cabs. Great video, as always, Thanks.
Great vlog as always! Happy easter from Norway!
As I have never really been in the market for executive cars, I only ever considered these cars from afar (In the 1980s I was in my 30s and was a lowly paid civil servant living in London and struggling with a mortgage). BMW and Mercedes certainly had quality (my plumber owned one) that I found attractive, but my budget limited limited me to second-hand Volvo estates - a 145 and a 240. The nearest I got to executive was a three year old Citroen C3 estate in the 2000s.
Good old glorious Audi 5 pot. Damn…I miss these engines. ❤
RS3 enters chat 😉
@@-DC- Not exactly the same. Not even the sound is the same. There is something about these older Audi engines.
The podcasts are a brilliant idea. It crossed my mind only the other day how podcasts of TH-cam vlogs would be wonderful. 👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏
Another excellent video. IIRC the Peugeot 605 was a bit too similar to the Alfa Romeo 164, especially the side view - both came from Pininfarina? I'll just briefly mention the Lonsdale and rapidly retire.... Any chance of a video on Kei cars?
In short: The German got it right most of the time. The rest of the world: Not so much. Until Japan learned the game.
Germany embraced the free market the UK embraced a controlled market that collapsed the Auto industry. Japanese cars were seen as no better than British cars in the 1970s it was only as the UK car industry collapsed did the Japanese cars start to look more attractive.
The 80s and 90s were definitely the beginning of German and Japanese domination in the auto industry, which continues to this day.
@@Tuppoo94
German domination is about to end.
The closest I saw to any of these were
a) A college mates Father having a brand new Ford Sierra Ghia shortly after their launch
b) A few years later a colleague buying a Vauxhall Carlton from his uncle to replace his Polonez (yes they actually sold those in the U.K).
Beyond that, at work (where people bought their own cars) your standing was dependent on what model of Ford Capri you drove. A 2.8i for the head of department while as a junior I had a 1.6L which as bought didn't even have a passenger side mirror.
A project manager (who lived the closest to work of any of us) had a white Ford XR4i. I always admired that car and would have chosen it over any of the ones you showed here.
My mom had the old BMW 520. Not the 520i or 528i, just the 520. I still felt like a lightweight boss.
Once had a MB 190E early 90s version (which supposedly would had ironed out all the technical problems since launching in 83) and a Toyota Corolla 7th generation at the same time. Owned both for 20 years. To my shocking surprise the Toyota was bullet proof while the MB had one problem after another. By the time I had to pension off one of the cars my brain told me to get rid of the 190e. I did and I had reliable service of my Corolla for more years.
The 1990s executive cars video is on the horizon, hope that the first generation Audi A8 gets a decent mention. Actually, this car and its development is a story well worth to be told in an extra video.
Great video as always, I’m looking forward to the 90’s version.
The 90’s Mitsubishi Diamanté should hopefully get a mention in that with its advanced technological features, and stylish body shape
Great run through of all those luxury/executive cars. So many saloons/sedans! Everyone drives SUVs these days and aerodynamics gets less of a mention.
Please do a video on the Toyota 2000GT. One of the most beautiful cars I've ever seen.
Thanks,
Carlos
This was excellent. I would love to see a video on the 90’s cars too.
Ps, your Dad had really good taste in cars.
Great video thank you!!!
Thank you for the awesome work
16:33 Video game fans might recognise the original Lexus as being the inspiration for the car which you destroy in the Bonus Stage of Street Fighter II!
'Hadouken!'
Forty plus years later, the Citroen GX still look fresh. Mercedes 123’s dashboard is clean and well laid out
As an American this is a very interesting video to see what was being offered in Europe. We got a few of these models here in the us, but not most of them.
we definitely need a 1990's executive car story in the future!
My brother had a Tagora. It was slightly larger than the QE2 😂
I really enjoyed this one. There were so many memories. I'd always wanted a 164 alfa or the saab 9000 but did have a audi 200 turbo and a 200 turbo quattru. Loved them both to bits. Don't get me wrong, they were 5 hrs old when j had them. And.... hospitality paid more then, relatively. The senator 24v always grabbed me too.
So many bucket list cars here it is hard to pick favourites, but for early 80's Mercedes w123, mid 80s a Renault 25 v6, late 80's Saab Turbo Aero. Runners up Granada 2.8i ghia x exec, cx gti turbo 2, audi 200 turbo and any of the Jaguars. Ps cars of this time suffered more from rot and lack of servicing but were not unreliable in themselves.
My parents had a metallic black 190E 2.0 automatic bought new in 1985. A truly special car back then (before Mercedes' cheapening themselves), and one which served us well for fifteen years and over 300000 km.
Im waiting on the 90's thats going to be exciting !!
This is one of those videos that makes me dream of winning the euromillions. I'll have one of these and one of those...
My uncle was an Audi man through an through, starting with a C1 '73 Audi 100LS, an C3 ''83 Audi 100 and finally a B2 '88 Audi 90. My cousin followed in his footsteps with a C3 Audi 200 and a C4 Audi V8 and so on...
I remember the 80s very well. Got my first company car, an early Sierra 1.6L. On the continent it was simple, if you had really made it you drove a Benz. Audi was not really a force. It was (and still is) a very expensive Volkswagen. And if you were an executive but not really mature yet, you drove a Beemer... Good times!
Great video! As a mechanic in America I can tell you Toyota and Honda dominate when it comes to people that want a nice car but arent necessarily "car people." Americans in the 70s in 80s were slowly warming up to Japanese cars. Nowadays Gm's cars are absolutely terrible, The trucks are decent. Fords cars and trucks are worse, Chrysler and dodge arent good the jeep and ram trucks keeping them going. The japanese companies have many plants here building cars and so do the germans to a lesser extent. But the high water mark for dependable tough cars was from 1988 to 2010 or so.
Rover 800 launched as a saloon first wasn't till a couple of years later the fastback came as well as a replacement for 825i to 827i
Jaaags aside, my favourites were the Senator and Grandad Ghia-X with the Mercedes 190 as a must-have but never-bought laterly (may have commented this previously). we had a Gamma Berlina in for service once, it was an incredible machine inside and out. didn't have much contact with BMWs or Mercs because of specialists and main agents taking almost all the work on them.
Japanese executive saloons of the 70s and early 80s were quite uninspiring. on one hand they were real bling machines fitted with loads of extra as standard and chrome everywhere that peeled off, on the other hand they looked like bland scaled-down late 60s / early 70s American heavy metal. you know the ones, they corner like giant 2CVs 😁
for some reason the term "that's a story for another day" reminds me of Johnny Morris???
I love learning things from your videos. Thanks for all your research and presentation.
As an Australian, I'm seeing so much of the Holden Commodore's roots in the Vauxhalls and Opels they came from.
Seeing as we still had Chrysler in Australia, the 180 was sold as the Chrysler Centura. It had the basic 180 2.0 litre 4, but Aussies love their big engines, so they were also sold with 3.5 and 4.0 litre sixes.
Shouldn't the Toyota Crown have been more of an Executive model than the Corona?
So few of the European cars were exported to Australia and those that were only sold in small numbers.
I still shed a wee tear for anything ex-Leyland. Jaguar in particular really hurts.
I did my apprenticeship at a Benz dealer from 1986 to 1991. Loved the W123, W124, W126, and W129. The W201 had their issues, not too hateful, but when the W140 came out overweight and overengineered and seriously overwhelmed us Technicians, I left for Toyota in 1991, and never looked back. Was a lucrative career working on Toyotas. Yes i still have a soft spot for a 560SEC! Now retired.
80s, mirrors in the dashboard. Is a rolled up note involved too?
I had a gen six Crown and it was loaded with luxuries you mentioned
My brother had a top-of-the-range Renault 25 at the time. Seemed quite fancy with an amazing dashboard.
A friend had a 25 V6 Turbo it was a spectacular combination of comfort and acceleration.
Good work, really enjoyed this. x
Although brought up on a steady diet of full-sized GM cars here in the USA, I had always been most impressed by the styling of cars from the 1960s (not just GM, not just the USA, but the world), but my eye really started to wander in the 1980s when the "Yuppymobiles" hit, like BMW 3 Series, the Baby Benz, the Audi "5000" as it was known here until it needed to be rebranded after the nasty negative "sudden acceleration" bad publicity cursed the company for decades in the US market, but so too the Milano (Alfa 75), the SAAB 900, the Volvo 740 / 760. These cars all seemed to set the feel for the era because they were straightforward, smart, and futuristic. Cars of the following decade seemed to lose some of the "simple sensibility" of the new 1980s models....I think of when Audi redesigned the 100 and 200, and it had a hideous grille just plunked into where the previous car had a smooth, uncluttered front end. I remember someone at a car show saying "Who doesn't love the 1980s?", and I thought, "Well, nothing is ever as good as you think it is, or as bad as you remember it.", but the cars of the 1980s for the most part really did have a sense of forward thinking, positivity, and yes, the fun factor. Much of car development may as well have stopped in the mid-1980s, with the exception of certain safety technology like AWD and braking systems. Most of today's vehicles have taken the responsibility of the driver away so that they can enjoy "infotainment". That is not driving to me.
The Peugeot 605 was exceedingly good looking despite the slow sales.
I'm not a fanboy and I love all cars; but the e34 just always looks like a precious jewel. Outstanding design by Klaus Luthe I think!
..and it (still) drives like a boss.
EDIT: I'm a fanboy! ...but still loving every other car too.
Brilliant
Great video as always, thank you
great video, very well put together
Id love to see a story on the Opel Rekord!
My father drove that Audi too, & a Caprice before that..but i do recall the Audi :)
VRM - 1FMC has been on so many iconic Fords over the years 😊
Here's an idea for a video, one inspired by this 190E thumbnail. Colour in car interiors: WTF happened? When and why everything went to 50-shades of grey?
I recently thought about this and a quick search determined that the cheapest car that's available with a predominantly non-grey interior is a Boxster. Everything below that will at best have colour inserts here and there and maybe the entire seat will be in a colour, if you're lucky. Just 30 years ago you could buy a Ford Taurus that's all burgundy inside, including the steering wheel, something that only select luxury brands offer these days. Even the cheapest cars came with a brown or a tan option, even in those FWD Ladas! And the seats were rarely grey in anything, except when it was a distinct and interesting pattern of fabric, like in the W124. But what plunged the humanity into this dull era?
I talk about that in my "why are modern cars so boring" video. I think that with less cars being ordered, and more cars being bought the same day from the dealer, they don't want to have anything that isn't a strong seller. Black is what most people want, it's easy to clean, doesn't show dirt as much as lighter colours. But yeah, it's a bit bland and dull.
The cheapest cars, like the Mk2 Ford Ka were probably the last to have funky interiors.
How enjoyable this video was 😍😍😍😍
2:30 That's my car! Wait, no, right hand steering wheel. My had left hand steering wheel. But otherwise it's identical to the one I had when I was 18, in 1990
That Austin Princess looked absolutely fantastic in that colour.
If only .....
🤮
Fun fact: The Fiat Croma didn't sell well in The Netherlands. Reason being Croma was also a brand of frying butter.
Has anyone else never used cruise control? I've always just found it feels weird relinquishing control
My uncle bought a Toyota Crown estate, brand new in 1977, to much derision.
Superb car though!