The problem with the Israeli tree from my perspective as someone who hasn't grinded it, is that the only real draw of the Tree is the Merkava, which while not a bad tank, still falls short of some of the other top MBTs. Almost everything else in Israel is just modified versions of stuff that can be found in other trees. It's also a tree without much in the way of future prospects, as we already have their best MBT, which compared to Germany and how good the A7V is, has even better variants that can come.
Hey Semicooperative, if I may. Please continue making this series but for lower brackets. As it stands the only other in depth review of warthunder's nations is Oxy's reviews which haven't been continued or updated in nearing 2 years now. Considering you have 5 nations at top tier, chances are that you have everything in between spaded which would be great content. I am currently on a yearly project to unlocking and spading every vehicle in the Chinese TT from reserve to 8.0. While I could already be spading 8.0 I'm taking a break while waiting for the anniversary to buy the tanks on a discount and while researching how to play some vehicles I find that there's very little even for the vehicles unique to the TT.
Agreed, I really like this series and I think it could be expanded to other battle ratings. Maybe look at particularly strong lineups that a nation might have, like China 9.0, Germany 9.3, Russia 10.3 etc.
@@ayuvir i like the idea, but I would need to refine the focus. - For example, a top tier review has pretty easy criteria i.e. How well does it's vehicles and line-ups work at 12.0. - I like the idea of doing lower tiers, but I'd need to figure out more precisely what I'm looking at and I'm still mulling that around.
tbh as someone who just recently unlocked the merkava mk3 (siman 3).. the only BR i had pain was 8.7, even tho some of the tanks has great shells like the tiran 6, other than that i really enjoyed the first tier rank 5.
The Israeli tech tree is fun if u want Soviet and American stuff mixed in, but be aware anything past mid tier your gonna be on the struggle bus for sure, and top tier is almost unplayable Israel is shackled with the American syndrome where you are constantly paired with almost exclusively American teammates who 1 death leave 1 death fly planes or just can't be bothered to defend points. So just be prepared to lose a lot of matches or be 1 of maybe 4 ground players playing against a whole enemy team. Is it still worth the grind sure if you like the merkava tank but that's kinda the only redeeming factor for this tree.
Is there any specific play style you would recommend for the Merkava Mk.4 series of tanks? I tend to struggle with them, though I think I could do better if I used a play style more suited for their performance.
@@freezerburn5680 so, top tier tanks in general heavily benefit from playing with confidence. Any tank can be taken out if it's stationary, both due to power of shells and revenge CAS, but you can't be mindlessly aggressive either considering how weak side armor generally is. - You always want to be moving if you're potentially going to get shot and looking for opportunities to upgrade your position (even moreso after the reload buff). - Much like an Abrams, it's about learning how much aggression you can get away with
@@semicooperative7188 Alright, thank you for the reply! I'll try my best to keep this in mind, usually I play over-aggressive or under-aggressive which gets me taken out.
I wish an ammo det on the namer didn’t take all the ammo. I have the vbci for France and it only takes away one belt when you get racked. Not sure about the puma and other crewless turret vehicles.
all though I haven't played with them, but if this at 18:57 isn't a rare thing that happens, then I'd say on survivability, they're better than Abrams, because Abrams wouldn't be able to shoot back there for sure. Both have 5 sec Ace crew reload and decent mobility but Merkava also has APS the funny HE shell.
@@semicooperative7188 they eat hits usually at the cost of losing the engine and a couple crewmembers which in most situations makes you as good as dead, i think the only positives are the mobility and weapon handling, I don't see how gaijin see these at the same level as leopards and t80s
Dude, why don’t you take the time to adjust your controls? You know you can key bind radio communications, right? On top of that, you should consider using the auto cannons for light vehicles instead of the spike missiles.
@@Nobody08361 aight - Only so many keyboards on console. Also, the 30mm has a slow RoF, so while I do use it for light vehicles, if I haven't been detected I favor the spikes with potential follow up shots to account for inconsistencies with the cannon
@@semicooperative7188 I play on console as well and I have every single key bind you would ever need for both Sim and RB it’s worth the effort trust me
Hopefully with the addition of SPYDER and an Eitan AFV this lineup will improve. Also the Namer has the first gen turret. From what I understand its now fielded with the Eitans turret which has Iron Fist APS. I personally love Israel even though its lacking in some areas. Cant wait to see what Gaijin adds to it in the future...F15I and F16I when???
@@alexparias3566 honestly, I'm surprised they didn't just start with the Iron Fist. APS aren't generally worth a full BR increase on their own, so if they add it later, it'll just make the current Namer 30 somewhat redundant
The f16d barak is amazing cas at least a tier if not s And u can compare vehicles to top tier ofc the giraf would be bad at top tier but in its own br its amazing so the chaparral
@@bigmak3266 TL:DR Tech Tree- Has interesting vehicles, but line-ups are very inconsistent in terms of quality and options. - Top Tier- Great MBTs, Good AA and Lights, usable, but lacking CAS. - Premiums- CV90105- Probably the best for ground grinding ChristianII- Very Solid J35XS- Not great, but still the best option to grind air RN
One thing to add on lacking spaa, yeah it sucks but at least it's a minor nation that get's in a match filled with major nation players that most likely have good SPAAs (Russia, Germany, Sweden, French etc..) and it's not as critical as a major nation like USA lacking good SPAA because it fills more than half of the teams. Though I'm not sure on how bad the matchmaker actually is for the Israel.
@@scharrk and USA get's matched against Russia 90% of the time, sometimes that is also with Germany and Sweden on their teams. But according to Gaijin, adding the SPYDER would be too OP...
I know you're in patnershit and therefore paid by the snail, but you had to make some critical videos on the situation of the top tier Israeli tech tree. The Merkava tanks, MK4 series and Namer also,have a completely ridiculous and wrong armor, clearly nerfed. It's useless to make videos like this, if you then ignore these problems created by gaijin just to sell premium to get to the meta top tier which is totally broken
The problem with the Israeli tree from my perspective as someone who hasn't grinded it, is that the only real draw of the Tree is the Merkava, which while not a bad tank, still falls short of some of the other top MBTs. Almost everything else in Israel is just modified versions of stuff that can be found in other trees. It's also a tree without much in the way of future prospects, as we already have their best MBT, which compared to Germany and how good the A7V is, has even better variants that can come.
@@Godvana_ there are 14 Magachs in this game...I spaded and reviewed them all...and it looks like they're adding another one next patch
@@semicooperative7188The Magach grind nerver ends.
@@rafaelrakocza5213 good to see you. Haven't heard from you in a minute
@@semicooperative7188I had a break from warthunder and I had to cut out all content because i was going insane.
Merkava mk5 is there top tier tank
Hey Semicooperative, if I may. Please continue making this series but for lower brackets. As it stands the only other in depth review of warthunder's nations is Oxy's reviews which haven't been continued or updated in nearing 2 years now. Considering you have 5 nations at top tier, chances are that you have everything in between spaded which would be great content.
I am currently on a yearly project to unlocking and spading every vehicle in the Chinese TT from reserve to 8.0. While I could already be spading 8.0 I'm taking a break while waiting for the anniversary to buy the tanks on a discount and while researching how to play some vehicles I find that there's very little even for the vehicles unique to the TT.
Agreed, I really like this series and I think it could be expanded to other battle ratings. Maybe look at particularly strong lineups that a nation might have, like China 9.0, Germany 9.3, Russia 10.3 etc.
@@ayuvir i like the idea, but I would need to refine the focus.
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For example, a top tier review has pretty easy criteria i.e. How well does it's vehicles and line-ups work at 12.0.
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I like the idea of doing lower tiers, but I'd need to figure out more precisely what I'm looking at and I'm still mulling that around.
@@semicooperative7188 Sweet thanks!
I'm sure you've thought about this but maybe just check brackets where a nation has a really good lineup?
@@Godvana_ Yeah for sure.
@@semicooperative7188 to be fair this is indeed a huge request requiring a huge amount of work..... but it would be hella cool to see.
The biggest issue with the merkavas is that the armor is not properly modelled and is at best trolly
Yeah war thunder reverses irl and in game, things that have a good track record irl suck in game
@@lars7747 merkavas only ever fought things that are 30 years older, there is no irl track record of them going against leopard 2s
@darkosiris09 not correct, the merkava decimated t62s, which are more modern than the tanks Russia uses to invade ukraine
Grinding Israel tech tree just because the Merkavas look sick
Wish me luck...
tbh as someone who just recently unlocked the merkava mk3 (siman 3).. the only BR i had pain was 8.7, even tho some of the tanks has great shells like the tiran 6, other than that i really enjoyed the first tier rank 5.
if we do get teh f15e this update im really hoping for the F15i as well. personally i love the israeli tech tree
Could you do these, but at say… 10.0-10.7. Or any other popular BR. A ww2 6.7 review for each nation would be cool as well. I would watch any really
The Israeli tech tree is fun if u want Soviet and American stuff mixed in, but be aware anything past mid tier your gonna be on the struggle bus for sure, and top tier is almost unplayable Israel is shackled with the American syndrome where you are constantly paired with almost exclusively American teammates who 1 death leave 1 death fly planes or just can't be bothered to defend points. So just be prepared to lose a lot of matches or be 1 of maybe 4 ground players playing against a whole enemy team. Is it still worth the grind sure if you like the merkava tank but that's kinda the only redeeming factor for this tree.
Is there any specific play style you would recommend for the Merkava Mk.4 series of tanks? I tend to struggle with them, though I think I could do better if I used a play style more suited for their performance.
@@freezerburn5680 so, top tier tanks in general heavily benefit from playing with confidence. Any tank can be taken out if it's stationary, both due to power of shells and revenge CAS, but you can't be mindlessly aggressive either considering how weak side armor generally is.
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You always want to be moving if you're potentially going to get shot and looking for opportunities to upgrade your position (even moreso after the reload buff).
-
Much like an Abrams, it's about learning how much aggression you can get away with
@@semicooperative7188 Alright, thank you for the reply! I'll try my best to keep this in mind, usually I play over-aggressive or under-aggressive which gets me taken out.
I LOVE this series!!
The Chaparral also lost its smokeless motor 6 months ago 🙁
I wish an ammo det on the namer didn’t take all the ammo. I have the vbci for France and it only takes away one belt when you get racked. Not sure about the puma and other crewless turret vehicles.
an A for the mk4s? interesting
all though I haven't played with them, but if this at 18:57 isn't a rare thing that happens, then I'd say on survivability, they're better than Abrams, because Abrams wouldn't be able to shoot back there for sure. Both have 5 sec Ace crew reload and decent mobility but Merkava also has APS the funny HE shell.
I went back and forth between A and B, but the reload buff did make the gun feel really snappy and it does have a tendency to just eat hits.
@@semicooperative7188 they eat hits usually at the cost of losing the engine and a couple crewmembers which in most situations makes you as good as dead, i think the only positives are the mobility and weapon handling, I don't see how gaijin see these at the same level as leopards and t80s
Dude, why don’t you take the time to adjust your controls? You know you can key bind radio communications, right? On top of that, you should consider using the auto cannons for light vehicles instead of the spike missiles.
@@Nobody08361 aight
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Only so many keyboards on console. Also, the 30mm has a slow RoF, so while I do use it for light vehicles, if I haven't been detected I favor the spikes with potential follow up shots to account for inconsistencies with the cannon
@@semicooperative7188 I play on console as well and I have every single key bind you would ever need for both Sim and RB it’s worth the effort trust me
Hopefully with the addition of SPYDER and an Eitan AFV this lineup will improve. Also the Namer has the first gen turret. From what I understand its now fielded with the Eitans turret which has Iron Fist APS. I personally love Israel even though its lacking in some areas. Cant wait to see what Gaijin adds to it in the future...F15I and F16I when???
@@alexparias3566 honestly, I'm surprised they didn't just start with the Iron Fist. APS aren't generally worth a full BR increase on their own, so if they add it later, it'll just make the current Namer 30 somewhat redundant
I see that you know the future.
We need a top tier SPAA ffs we only have the shitty chaparral how are you supposed to use that piece of crap at 12.0
There was a leak going on around Gaijin adding SPYDER for Israel, but I guess they need to first add S-300's to Russia so it doesn't fall behind.
The f16d barak is amazing cas at least a tier if not s
And u can compare vehicles to top tier ofc the giraf would be bad at top tier but in its own br its amazing so the chaparral
Sweden next please
I just finished the Japanese tech tree after that I'm going to grind Israel because its vehicles are few and quick to finish tech tree 😊
Hey semi how far are you on sweden i just breached rank III after nearly compelting the USA and German ground tech tree
@@JazzzxD421 Rank V ground and air. Granted, Sweden does thin out considerably near the top
Should’ve made it a sub tree for the U.S.
What do you think about sweden please answer before the sales ends
@@bigmak3266
TL:DR
Tech Tree- Has interesting vehicles, but line-ups are very inconsistent in terms of quality and options.
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Top Tier- Great MBTs, Good AA and Lights, usable, but lacking CAS.
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Premiums-
CV90105- Probably the best for ground grinding
ChristianII- Very Solid
J35XS- Not great, but still the best option to grind air RN
One thing to add on lacking spaa, yeah it sucks but at least it's a minor nation that get's in a match filled with major nation players that most likely have good SPAAs (Russia, Germany, Sweden, French etc..) and it's not as critical as a major nation like USA lacking good SPAA because it fills more than half of the teams. Though I'm not sure on how bad the matchmaker actually is for the Israel.
Isreal gets matched 90% of the time with USA, which is the biggest downside of this tree.
@@scharrk and USA get's matched against Russia 90% of the time, sometimes that is also with Germany and Sweden on their teams. But according to Gaijin, adding the SPYDER would be too OP...
Its funny that israel of all natioms gets bad spaa since irl their air defence is legendary
What tank sight is that
@@Milobaby. Its listed as Merkava sight I believe. I switched all my high tier vehicles to their sights
I know you're in patnershit and therefore paid by the snail, but you had to make some critical videos on the situation of the top tier Israeli tech tree. The Merkava tanks, MK4 series and Namer also,have a completely ridiculous and wrong armor, clearly nerfed. It's useless to make videos like this, if you then ignore these problems created by gaijin just to sell premium to get to the meta top tier which is totally broken
@@unutentequalsiasi5669 not in partnership at all. The only money I get from war Thunder is this channel
Favorite nation, love me my MK4M
Crews are p2w
indeed
>russian game
>jews tier C
based
İt's looks shit 😂