LaReem i definitely want a video on how strong is s5 hawk or S5 Hawk vs s5 Robby to end these debates for good. You're the only one who could do that fr bro
I recently found movies that were called CROW ZERO 1,2. they were pretty good. after watching it make a video about takiya genji (crow zero) vs Miguel (cobra kai) and tamao serizawa vs robby
Chozen godstomped 5 TRAINED ADULT SOLDIERS in seconds with his hands behind his back. He's also trained his entire life (so almost 2 decades) in authentic Miyagi Do in Okinawa, while the CK teens have just over 1 year of training (except Sam and Tory who have more) Daniel winning was pure plot armour as Chozen stomped him earlier in the movie when there was no plot armour. Daniel's got more plot armour than Rey does at this point as he always beats his more skilled enemies in the last 10 minutes of the movie where the protagonist can't win. But if we ignore plot armour because some people lack knowledge on how PIS works, then the in universe explanation is that Chozen was massively nerfed mentally by having his entire village (including his uncle and crush) turn on him, which hindered his tactical abilities and made him lose to the drum technique, which a focused Chozen could've easily countered by backing away and using his kicks. It's worth noting that prior to the village's cheering of Daniel, Chozen was stomping him that entire fight and could've finished it, but then Kumiko came behind and choked him with her band which allowed Daniel to recover. All in all, if you want an accurate depiction of how Daniel vs Chozen goes, watch the fight on the bridge where Chozen throws his shirt afterwards.
Its easy The Cobra kai trio wins Against Johnny - the trio wins - mid high diff Against chozen - the trio wins - high extreme diff Against mike - mike barnes - low mid diff
Hawk beat Robbyin season 4 not 5 and robby while holding back was blocking everything Kenny was throwing at him and low diffed him and miguel was one shotting Kenny who was implied by kyler and silver to be above kyler anyway and kyler was relative to hawk so chain Scaling is everyone at their peak and all techniques that they were taught Miguel>=robby>sam>tory>kenny>hawk>=kyler>Dimitri>=Devon.
1 thing I want to point out is that Robby's Strength and Durability is significantly higher as he was able to bust and kick Miguel through the door in their fight in S5 calculated at 165 kilojoules and Miguel was able to withstand that.
165 kilojoules? It’s like 500 kilojoules to shatter a wooden door in the first place. We didn’t even see what happened to the door. At best it was knocked off it’s hinges. At worst it just opened up from the force like how Miguel charges Robby through a door
There skill is pretty equal and not by a huge gap chozen solos everyone besides miguel. He is the most skilled fo sure for training for his entire life and miyagi do requires skills despite the trio mastering 3 styles chozen is slightly better in skill by training longer since moyagi do is required skills and has special techniques.
The trio is WAYY more skilled. Robby by season 2 has already learned everything that kk3 Daniel had learned. So s2 Robby is already more skilled than Chozen. Also the trio slams and it’s not even that close. Sam and Tory also beat kk2 chozen
@@MrMiyagisGrandson but he knew both miyagi do styles and mastered the offensive side of it but not a lot of defense. S5 miguel is way more skilled than kk2 chozen since he also mastered both miyagi do styles that requires superior skill and mastered eagle fang and cobra kai. Imo I think kk2 chozen is slightly more skilled then s5 robby he did learn somewhat cobra kai and eagle fang and learned both styles of miyagi do but chozen mastered more offensive from it and learned a little defense. Also he took on well military black belts. Chozen best ck/kk fighter behind miguel miguel 1 and chozen 2
@@brodyazadian19 1. It was confirmed that the level of Daniel’s opposition increases throughout the movie. So Mike barnes was daniel’s greatest opponent. So Mike barnes > Chozen 2. Kk2 Daniel literally beat Chozen so Chozen knowing both Miyagi do styles didn’t matter. And since s2 Robby is just as skilled as kk3 daniel that means he is MORE skilled than kk2 Chozen. You can make a case that Kyler is better than Chozen due to the similar AP feats. And Kyler is way more skilled than Chozen since he is more skilled than s2 Robby
@@MrMiyagisGrandson bro Daniel's girl friend distracted chozen and saved daniel if chozen wasn't distracted he would've won. Kk3 mike got one shotted by a daniel who wasn't traumatized and fully focused and mike grabbed his chest and seemed very hurt this proves if kk3 daniel is fully focused and uses his skill techniques he is better than kk3 mike when not traumatized. Kk2 chozen slams every kk character beat military balckbelts that are really skilled and wheel trained all at once.
@@brodyazadian19 it had already been confirmed that Mike barnes is the strongest opponent in the trilogy lmao. KK3 Mike getting oneshotted by daniel just upscales daniel lmao.
I used to think the same thing, but honestly now I think Hawk might even be greater than Miguel. Watch his short video on the five best male fighters in cobra kai and in the comments this guy called Jrobel makes extremely good points.
I don't agree. Way too many contradictions. You're basing heavy assumptions on the strength of the students just because Kyler could break blocks. Kyler already outscales them in strength, that doesn't mean he's a better fighter. Techniques like the drum technique weren't mastered by the students, but it was mastered by Daniel, who used it to literally near murder someone. Kenny using it doesn't mean anything, and Miguel using it is significantly based on assumption, especially since there was no confirmation he was actually using drum technique. There's also a heavy implication that KK2 daniel learned a lot off screen. Another assumption in your video is that Robby knows everything Daniel knows, while he knows the moves, Daniel had a balance advantage. Daniel also had more quality in his defense than Robby, because he was more consistent. Robby literally mastered a technique Daniel couldn't and still lost to Miguel. The very notion of Miguel beating Robby, is a fat contradiction. Miguel doesn't really know anything. He learned from Johnny, the least qualified sensei in the show. The guy who Daniel crushed with a broken leg (and then went on to get stronger). Robby was shown losing to Miguel's basic cobra kai moves. The fact that Robby "mastered" Daniel's techniques and still lost is a representation that he's not a good fighter. Whereas Daniel took on an overseas warrior who studied under a grandmaster who also had weapons training. Robby learned from a sensei with FAR more credentials than Johnny, as well as started off with an advantage of being talented at the style before even learning it. If he still struggles against miguel, then he's just bad. Talent or no talent. My conclusion is that the transitive property of Miguel beating Chozen, and the assumption that Robby knows Daniel's moves and thus wins also, is a heavy assumption with no basis. Daniel was more successful in his fights. Robby wasn't. Robby still lost no matter what technique he used, whereas Daniel failed a krane kick, took a beating, and still won. This concludes (with your logic applied) that KK2 Daniel is the strongest student in the verse. Because KK3 Daniel is a contradiction of what he did in KK2. Nothing to do with Mike beating him, but the fact that Mike's hits hurt him, whereas the bleeding in Kk2 didn't hurt him at all. It's a contradiction. So therefore, Chozen slams these 3. I honestly think this video is just a little bit intellectually dishonest (contrary to most of your videos). You're applying feats that are completely irrelevant. Chozen literally trains army members in a Japanese base. Knows how to train with weapons, and had a sensei that rivals Kim Sun Yung. He also clarifies the reason Daniel beat him in season 5, and verifies that he was actually the better fighter all throughout. So that concludes my point. It's fine if you disagree Although I could be a little biased, because accepting the notion that these kids can beat an overseas warrior who's trained in death matches sounds like being told peppa pig beats goku. I only rationalized with Daniel winning bc Miyagi was his sensei. But that's just me... LOL
So there's alot of accusations here about me using assumptions, but there's several flaws with the basis of your arguments. The first being that even though you agree Robby knows everything Daniel by the end of karate kid 3, you claimed Robby isn't as skilled as Daniel because he lost to Miguel who was trained by Johnny who lost to Daniel with a broklen leg. This can easily be disproven three ways. 1. Daniel himself says Robby is more of a natural than him in season 1 and says repeatedly in season 2 that Robby was a better student than he was. Terry also states in season 4 that Robby has the potential to beat all of the senseis. 2. Johnny is far more skilled as an adult than he was in karate kid 1, evident when Kreese says he taught Johnny everything he knows, and Johnny kicks him in the face saying "not everything". 3. Your entire line of scaling falls apart based on the fact that even as adults Johnny and Daniel are equal in fighting ability and Daniel canonically trained after karate kid 3. Your argument for kk2 daniel being > kk3 daniel also doesn't make any sense. He was visibly exhausted during that fight with chozen, he was getting dropped multiple times in that fight. Daniel was also stated to have gotten stronger during karate kid 3 as well as him having training montages throughout the film and learning kata which was stated to be the final part of his training. There's no evidence of Daniel getting worse. I also don't see how the feats I've applied are irrelevant? You didn't explain that part at all. Sato also isn't anywhere near Kim, since it's stated by the creators of cobra kai that Miyagi and Kim are far above everyone else which would include Sato. It was only stated that Sato was angry with Kim, him being on Kim's level is dishonest.
@@LeReem I agree with the Sato point, that's my mistake. My argument was actually that Mike's attacks in KK3 gave Daniel more exhaustion than Chozen's attacks which caused him to bleed. It's a logical inconsistency. Daniel shouldn't be crying from Mike's hits when he bled to near death in KK2. We also saw how Chozen was able to beat Daniel in encounters even faster than Mike did. Why can't we count this as a feat? Why only a version of Daniel packed with adrenaline defending the ? You also mention how Daniel said Robby was better than him. This is a flaw in your argument, because you stated that Kreese's bias for Johnny being a good fighter was emotionally driven, and that Kreese's word was essentially bullshit (which is something I can agree on). But with Daniel, it's also likely he mis-quantified his own skill by calling Robby better. He said Robby was more of a natural, not necessarily so that he's "better". Being a natural quantifies skill, not hard work, strength, durability, agility etc. It's just pure talent. This same Robby from season 1 in which you claimed Daniel called better than himself, never had the experience of fighting an overseas murderer in a death brawl where a lot of blood was spilt. So in that abstract, Daniel's word for Robby isn't quite relevant in stating how he's a stronger fighter than KK2 Daniel. Robby's talent is already a self-contradictory plot hole, because Miguel wins literally every fight against him. Miyagi Do has been shown to be better than cobra kai, at least in the earlier seasons. Miguel beating Robby in season 2 is a logical inconsistency, because Robby spent more time with a more qualified sensei. Miguel's learning is contributed by Johnny, who is a less qualified sensei than Kreese, who studied under a grandmaster and a war veteran. Miguel's techniques are also futile against Miyagi Do, so he (logically) should not have landed a single hit against Robby in season 2. So if Robby has a talent advantage, AND learned the same style that kicked Johnny's ass, him losing to Miguel is a walking, breathing, plot contradiction. Either Miguel is a Mary Sue with absolutely no character development, or Chozen spent 20 years of his life doing absolutely nothing. My last question, are these videos built upon seasonal feats that are mutable (subject to change)? Because I actually agree with a lot of your videos. But the character scaling in this show feels so weird. Like it's so hard to visualize someone like Miguel beating someone like Chozen. And the very notion that Chozen is even comparable to s5 Silver feels like the writers forced them to be even to make a compelling fight. I mean, he trained for so long, he's supposed to be Miyagi Tier now. It's just so weird to me, you know?
The reason why Chozen beating Daniel faster isn't a valid feat is because due to standard battle assumptions, Daniel wasn't at his best when he lost to Chozen as at that point, he hadn't learned the drum technique and his skill level was not what it was at the end of the film. Based on multiple canon sources, including the film itself, Daniel got stronger and more skilled in kk3, so Mike beating a stronger Daniel should logically put him above Chozen. The difference between Daniel and Kreese is that Kreese admits himself that he was biased towards Johnny and it's even stated that Johnny is his weakness, no such things exist for Daniel, so it would be a false equivalence since there's no basis for Daniel's statement about his past skill being unreliable. As for everything else, you seemed to have skipped the part where I explained that Johnny is now far more skilled than he was in kk1, demonstrated by him saying it himself as well as fighting equally against an adult Daniel who continued to train decades after karate kid 3. Cobra kai is also a show that isn't completely grounded in reality but more importantly, the theme of legacy is especially emphasized, with Terry saying robby has the potential to kick all the senseis asses, and then saying kenny has more potential than robby, miguel and hawk. Each generation is narratively implied to be mote talented than the previous.
LaReem i definitely want a video on how strong is s5 hawk or S5 Hawk vs s5 Robby to end these debates for good. You're the only one who could do that fr bro
robby duh
I recently found movies that were called CROW ZERO 1,2. they were pretty good. after watching it make a video about takiya genji (crow zero) vs Miguel (cobra kai) and tamao serizawa vs robby
Have you ever thought about using a speed feat? Imo I think speed is more useful than strength in a fight. But fax I agree with the vid!
Speed in cobra Kai doesn’t really matter since they can all hit each other anyway
@@d_xbombkHow about battle iq?
@d_xbombk no not really Bobby was able ro speedblitz daniel KK1
@@d_xbombkmr miyagi only using speed and defeat kreese in the karate kid 2 first fight
Chozen godstomped 5 TRAINED ADULT SOLDIERS in seconds with his hands behind his back.
He's also trained his entire life (so almost 2 decades) in authentic Miyagi Do in Okinawa, while the CK teens have just over 1 year of training (except Sam and Tory who have more)
Daniel winning was pure plot armour as Chozen stomped him earlier in the movie when there was no plot armour. Daniel's got more plot armour than Rey does at this point as he always beats his more skilled enemies in the last 10 minutes of the movie where the protagonist can't win.
But if we ignore plot armour because some people lack knowledge on how PIS works, then the in universe explanation is that Chozen was massively nerfed mentally by having his entire village (including his uncle and crush) turn on him, which hindered his tactical abilities and made him lose to the drum technique, which a focused Chozen could've easily countered by backing away and using his kicks.
It's worth noting that prior to the village's cheering of Daniel, Chozen was stomping him that entire fight and could've finished it, but then Kumiko came behind and choked him with her band which allowed Daniel to recover.
All in all, if you want an accurate depiction of how Daniel vs Chozen goes, watch the fight on the bridge where Chozen throws his shirt afterwards.
Ippidy dideo
You did not watch the video
dude can you do the star wars characters as cobra kai characters just like you did with marvel characters
Yea right now the main 3 are ahead of KK2 kids but not ahead of kk3 kids they’re in between kk2 and kk3.
Do you think Miguel, Robby or Hawk could beat 1985 Mike Barnes
@@bennyboy82329 imo they could mid diff now, they are op
As for anyone in the kk1 verse, by s5, it would be neg diff literally
@@bennyboy82329 naw he to powerful and has way better ap feats
@@HarryJ111 I was thinking the same thing. I’m gonna go so far as to say he has more physical strength than all 3 of them combined
@@bennyboy82329 his skill is lacking a lot, his strength alone won't be enough to win at all against all 3
W bro!!
W video LeReem
Its easy The Cobra kai trio wins
Against Johnny - the trio wins - mid high diff
Against chozen - the trio wins - high extreme diff
Against mike - mike barnes - low mid diff
Fax..Miguel low-mid diffs. Robby mid diffs and Hawk mid diffs chozen
They win but it's neg diff
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Not necessarily. Hawk lost to Kenny and Robbie lost to Hawk.
Hawk beat Robbyin season 4 not 5 and robby while holding back was blocking everything Kenny was throwing at him and low diffed him and miguel was one shotting Kenny who was implied by kyler and silver to be above kyler anyway and kyler was relative to hawk so chain Scaling is everyone at their peak and all techniques that they were taught Miguel>=robby>sam>tory>kenny>hawk>=kyler>Dimitri>=Devon.
Yeah... but hawk slammed Kenny. Context is key bruh
1 thing I want to point out is that Robby's Strength and Durability is significantly higher as he was able to bust and kick Miguel through the door in their fight in S5 calculated at 165 kilojoules and Miguel was able to withstand that.
Who calculated that
How do you even find these calculations? Plus what you mentioned about strength is power.
@@Edgar_Editz facts
165 kilojoules? It’s like 500 kilojoules to shatter a wooden door in the first place. We didn’t even see what happened to the door. At best it was knocked off it’s hinges. At worst it just opened up from the force like how Miguel charges Robby through a door
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1984 Chozen would definetly beat all of them
ChozenKK2>>>Cobra Kai S1
ChozenKK2>>>Cobra Kai S2
ChozenKK2>>>Cobra Kai S3
Cobra Kai S4>>>ChozenKK2
Cobra Kai S5>>>ChozenKK2
no
There skill is pretty equal and not by a huge gap chozen solos everyone besides miguel. He is the most skilled fo sure for training for his entire life and miyagi do requires skills despite the trio mastering 3 styles chozen is slightly better in skill by training longer since moyagi do is required skills and has special techniques.
The trio is WAYY more skilled. Robby by season 2 has already learned everything that kk3
Daniel had learned. So s2 Robby is already more skilled than Chozen. Also the trio slams and it’s not even that close. Sam and Tory also beat kk2 chozen
@@MrMiyagisGrandson but he knew both miyagi do styles and mastered the offensive side of it but not a lot of defense. S5 miguel is way more skilled than kk2 chozen since he also mastered both miyagi do styles that requires superior skill and mastered eagle fang and cobra kai. Imo I think kk2 chozen is slightly more skilled then s5 robby he did learn somewhat cobra kai and eagle fang and learned both styles of miyagi do but chozen mastered more offensive from it and learned a little defense. Also he took on well military black belts. Chozen best ck/kk fighter behind miguel miguel 1 and chozen 2
@@brodyazadian19 1. It was confirmed that the level of Daniel’s opposition increases throughout the movie. So Mike barnes was daniel’s greatest opponent. So Mike barnes > Chozen
2. Kk2 Daniel literally beat Chozen so Chozen knowing both Miyagi do styles didn’t matter. And since s2 Robby is just as skilled as kk3 daniel that means he is MORE skilled than kk2 Chozen. You can make a case that Kyler is better than Chozen due to the similar AP feats. And Kyler is way more skilled than Chozen since he is more skilled than s2
Robby
@@MrMiyagisGrandson bro Daniel's girl friend distracted chozen and saved daniel if chozen wasn't distracted he would've won. Kk3 mike got one shotted by a daniel who wasn't traumatized and fully focused and mike grabbed his chest and seemed very hurt this proves if kk3 daniel is fully focused and uses his skill techniques he is better than kk3 mike when not traumatized. Kk2 chozen slams every kk character beat military balckbelts that are really skilled and wheel trained all at once.
@@brodyazadian19 it had already been confirmed that Mike barnes is the strongest opponent in the trilogy lmao. KK3 Mike getting oneshotted by daniel just upscales daniel lmao.
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do it
I don't think Hawk is on par with Robby or Miguel anymore
but regardless he still wins against KK2 Chozen
I used to think the same thing, but honestly now I think Hawk might even be greater than Miguel.
Watch his short video on the five best male fighters in cobra kai and in the comments this guy called Jrobel makes extremely good points.
@@euardomartinez1997 I mean you can argue for S3 and S4 Hawk but there's no way I can see S5 Miguel being under S5 Hawk in fighting ability.
Oh no it's the people who think Hawk s5 is worse than Hawk s4👀
@@notusingchannel74823
Season 3 and 4 Hawk have left the chat
miguel is the only one that can beat robby and hawk so miguel and chozen about the same level of skill and power
I don't agree. Way too many contradictions.
You're basing heavy assumptions on the strength of the students just because Kyler could break blocks. Kyler already outscales them in strength, that doesn't mean he's a better fighter. Techniques like the drum technique weren't mastered by the students, but it was mastered by Daniel, who used it to literally near murder someone. Kenny using it doesn't mean anything, and Miguel using it is significantly based on assumption, especially since there was no confirmation he was actually using drum technique.
There's also a heavy implication that KK2 daniel learned a lot off screen. Another assumption in your video is that Robby knows everything Daniel knows, while he knows the moves, Daniel had a balance advantage. Daniel also had more quality in his defense than Robby, because he was more consistent. Robby literally mastered a technique Daniel couldn't and still lost to Miguel.
The very notion of Miguel beating Robby, is a fat contradiction. Miguel doesn't really know anything. He learned from Johnny, the least qualified sensei in the show. The guy who Daniel crushed with a broken leg (and then went on to get stronger).
Robby was shown losing to Miguel's basic cobra kai moves. The fact that Robby "mastered" Daniel's techniques and still lost is a representation that he's not a good fighter. Whereas Daniel took on an overseas warrior who studied under a grandmaster who also had weapons training. Robby learned from a sensei with FAR more credentials than Johnny, as well as started off with an advantage of being talented at the style before even learning it. If he still struggles against miguel, then he's just bad. Talent or no talent.
My conclusion is that the transitive property of Miguel beating Chozen, and the assumption that Robby knows Daniel's moves and thus wins also, is a heavy assumption with no basis. Daniel was more successful in his fights. Robby wasn't. Robby still lost no matter what technique he used, whereas Daniel failed a krane kick, took a beating, and still won. This concludes (with your logic applied) that KK2 Daniel is the strongest student in the verse. Because KK3 Daniel is a contradiction of what he did in KK2. Nothing to do with Mike beating him, but the fact that Mike's hits hurt him, whereas the bleeding in Kk2 didn't hurt him at all. It's a contradiction.
So therefore, Chozen slams these 3. I honestly think this video is just a little bit intellectually dishonest (contrary to most of your videos). You're applying feats that are completely irrelevant. Chozen literally trains army members in a Japanese base. Knows how to train with weapons, and had a sensei that rivals Kim Sun Yung. He also clarifies the reason Daniel beat him in season 5, and verifies that he was actually the better fighter all throughout.
So that concludes my point. It's fine if you disagree
Although I could be a little biased, because accepting the notion that these kids can beat an overseas warrior who's trained in death matches sounds like being told peppa pig beats goku. I only rationalized with Daniel winning bc Miyagi was his sensei.
But that's just me... LOL
So there's alot of accusations here about me using assumptions, but there's several flaws with the basis of your arguments. The first being that even though you agree Robby knows everything Daniel by the end of karate kid 3, you claimed Robby isn't as skilled as Daniel because he lost to Miguel who was trained by Johnny who lost to Daniel with a broklen leg. This can easily be disproven three ways.
1. Daniel himself says Robby is more of a natural than him in season 1 and says repeatedly in season 2 that Robby was a better student than he was. Terry also states in season 4 that Robby has the potential to beat all of the senseis.
2. Johnny is far more skilled as an adult than he was in karate kid 1, evident when Kreese says he taught Johnny everything he knows, and Johnny kicks him in the face saying "not everything".
3. Your entire line of scaling falls apart based on the fact that even as adults Johnny and Daniel are equal in fighting ability and Daniel canonically trained after karate kid 3.
Your argument for kk2 daniel being > kk3 daniel also doesn't make any sense. He was visibly exhausted during that fight with chozen, he was getting dropped multiple times in that fight. Daniel was also stated to have gotten stronger during karate kid 3 as well as him having training montages throughout the film and learning kata which was stated to be the final part of his training. There's no evidence of Daniel getting worse.
I also don't see how the feats I've applied are irrelevant? You didn't explain that part at all. Sato also isn't anywhere near Kim, since it's stated by the creators of cobra kai that Miyagi and Kim are far above everyone else which would include Sato. It was only stated that Sato was angry with Kim, him being on Kim's level is dishonest.
@@LeReem
I agree with the Sato point, that's my mistake.
My argument was actually that Mike's attacks in KK3 gave Daniel more exhaustion than Chozen's attacks which caused him to bleed. It's a logical inconsistency. Daniel shouldn't be crying from Mike's hits when he bled to near death in KK2. We also saw how Chozen was able to beat Daniel in encounters even faster than Mike did. Why can't we count this as a feat? Why only a version of Daniel packed with adrenaline defending the ?
You also mention how Daniel said Robby was better than him. This is a flaw in your argument, because you stated that Kreese's bias for Johnny being a good fighter was emotionally driven, and that Kreese's word was essentially bullshit (which is something I can agree on). But with Daniel, it's also likely he mis-quantified his own skill by calling Robby better. He said Robby was more of a natural, not necessarily so that he's "better". Being a natural quantifies skill, not hard work, strength, durability, agility etc. It's just pure talent.
This same Robby from season 1 in which you claimed Daniel called better than himself, never had the experience of fighting an overseas murderer in a death brawl where a lot of blood was spilt. So in that abstract, Daniel's word for Robby isn't quite relevant in stating how he's a stronger fighter than KK2 Daniel.
Robby's talent is already a self-contradictory plot hole, because Miguel wins literally every fight against him. Miyagi Do has been shown to be better than cobra kai, at least in the earlier seasons. Miguel beating Robby in season 2 is a logical inconsistency, because Robby spent more time with a more qualified sensei. Miguel's learning is contributed by Johnny, who is a less qualified sensei than Kreese, who studied under a grandmaster and a war veteran. Miguel's techniques are also futile against Miyagi Do, so he (logically) should not have landed a single hit against Robby in season 2.
So if Robby has a talent advantage, AND learned the same style that kicked Johnny's ass, him losing to Miguel is a walking, breathing, plot contradiction.
Either Miguel is a Mary Sue with absolutely no character development, or Chozen spent 20 years of his life doing absolutely nothing.
My last question, are these videos built upon seasonal feats that are mutable (subject to change)? Because I actually agree with a lot of your videos. But the character scaling in this show feels so weird. Like it's so hard to visualize someone like Miguel beating someone like Chozen. And the very notion that Chozen is even comparable to s5 Silver feels like the writers forced them to be even to make a compelling fight. I mean, he trained for so long, he's supposed to be Miyagi Tier now.
It's just so weird to me, you know?
The reason why Chozen beating Daniel faster isn't a valid feat is because due to standard battle assumptions, Daniel wasn't at his best when he lost to Chozen as at that point, he hadn't learned the drum technique and his skill level was not what it was at the end of the film. Based on multiple canon sources, including the film itself, Daniel got stronger and more skilled in kk3, so Mike beating a stronger Daniel should logically put him above Chozen.
The difference between Daniel and Kreese is that Kreese admits himself that he was biased towards Johnny and it's even stated that Johnny is his weakness, no such things exist for Daniel, so it would be a false equivalence since there's no basis for Daniel's statement about his past skill being unreliable.
As for everything else, you seemed to have skipped the part where I explained that Johnny is now far more skilled than he was in kk1, demonstrated by him saying it himself as well as fighting equally against an adult Daniel who continued to train decades after karate kid 3.
Cobra kai is also a show that isn't completely grounded in reality but more importantly, the theme of legacy is especially emphasized, with Terry saying robby has the potential to kick all the senseis asses, and then saying kenny has more potential than robby, miguel and hawk. Each generation is narratively implied to be mote talented than the previous.
Miguel only has plot armour nothing More nothing less, that's the only reason Robby can't win. In real life Tanner would kill Xolo.
@treywilliams3447 but it's a show why are you comparing the actors in a fictional show
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