Since WvA won his only monument, MvdP has won 6 including 3 head-to-head. He's also won a WC, again head-to-head. Not sure what more he can do to show he's better, at least at the classics (and cyclocross of course).
100% - I don’t understand this video because he points how MDVP team set him up to win, as if that degrades his ability over WVA. Meanwhile if he didn’t he would be a knucklehead if he didn’t? Common, I like both riders but MDVP has simply delivered more results over the last year or more.
Never understood how you’re supposed to compare bike racers across different disciplines. We don’t compare Marathoners to Sprinters. For my money, MVDP is the most exciting one day bike racer on the planet right now.
@@patrick4594-y7u You do realise Van der Poel didn't go head to head with Tadej at MSR, the team adapted his plan on the final descent to do a full lead out for Jasper Philipsen. Doing a long lead out to bridge a gap, versus "sitting in" on the wheels until 100 metres out is NOT a head to head mate.
I was going to make a very similar comment. It’s hard to say who is the best “bike racer”. I think this is the source of a lot of arguments around who is the overall “best”. Who is the best stage racer? (1 week? 3 week?) Who is the best climber? Who is the best TT rider? Who is the best cobbled classic rider? That’s not even including other disciplines beyond road biking, to discuss who is the best “all around” bike racer (cyclocross, cross country MTB, etc).
So now you're asking VDP to solo away from Pogi and Primoz in frikkin LBL to MAYBE have a chance of bumping WvA? 😳 What's the next ask, spanking Pogi and Remco in a HOT Lombardia? Crazy talk.
He is basically asking MvdP to do better than someone who has not won a thing at all this year. Seems simple, but with Chris the opposite is true: it is impossible.
@@Serenoj69 He puts a high value on Wout's climbing wins and mountain domestique work in the TdF. That's an opinion he can have but he's basically click baiting on MVDP's fame.
I think this is the worst opinion I’ve ever heard you give, Chris. I couldn’t disagree more. Out of your top 6, I think Tadej is the only valid argument over MVdP because he can win single day races and three week tours. Part of the paralysis by analysis should include if the others can make it to the start line-they couldn’t. It’s not MVdPs fault, he can only beat who is there, and he won convincingly over those that did show. Head to head, he whips Wouts ass, Primoz crashes more than I did when I first took my training wheels off my bike, Jonas isn’t beating MVdP in a one day monument, and Remco is missing that focus that would make him a contender in every race he enters-when Sepp Kuss beats you in a three week tour, and you were a GC favorite??? He crushed last years worlds, and he has led Jasper out so many times to win a sprint… You doing the big diesel a disservice, my man. I know you favor the three week tours over single day racers, but the other thing you fail to quantify is how much more exciting these early monuments are now that MVdP is involved, and races them as aggressively as he does. I think the reason Tadej even competes in them is because of the notoriety MVdP and Wout have received. You can’t tell me Boonen and Cancellara were as exciting as these two-they weren’t. The consistency this man has in these races is unreal. Cycling is very lucky to have these guys competing against each other at this time. I think we may have another 5yrs left to witness this exciting age of cycling, and MVdP is a MAJOR reason why we are enjoying it so much. He really should be 1A to Tadejs 1. No one else is even close right now, IMO.
Great comment For the sake of discussion I think Wout is pretty close to Matthieu. I’m thinking of his legendary exploits in the 2022 tour, winning on Ventoux in 2021, contesting huge bunch sprints in Paris, etc. It’s a huge tragedy that Wout crashed out and couldn’t contest the races this spring.
I dont think there is any way to compare pure(ish) GC riders like Vingegaard and Roglic to a pure classic rider like MvdP. But he beat everyone last year at MSR, PR and the world championship. And 2 weeks ago in the longest solo in E3 in history with everyone still there. He tore WvA to shreds there. Its they werent there in RvV and PR. I think youre also reasoning in a strange way. He has to beat Pogi and Roglic on their terrain in LBL to move up. But why not the other way around. Do you want to guess how many days Roglic would finish behind MvdP on his terrain a cobbled classic? Pogi is in a league of his own tho, no contest there. IMHO 1 day races - Pogi, MvdP, Evenepoel, Wva GC - Vingegaard, Pogi, Roglic, Evenepoel.
Calling Roglic a pure Grand Tour rider is not entirely correct IMHO ... Olympic Champion, Liege-Bastogne-Liege, Tre Valli Varesine, Milano-Torino, Giro dell Emilia 3x..... And yes on top of that he won the same amount of Grand Tours as Pogacar and Vingegaard together + countless one week races (Of the "big 7" one week races, he won all of them at least one time already except the Tour of Suisse). We will of course never see him on the cobbles, but he's more than a Grand Tour rider alone... You would not give him enough credit by saying such... And mark my words when I tell you now already that this years World Championship will be a battle between our two Slovenian friends probably... We have a climbers World Championship this year... Can't wait for it to be honest.
@@swissbiggy to be fair, Roglič did do a cobble race: GP de Denain in 2022. He was in the elite group of 5 who broke away from the peloton, but they got caught in the end. He was one of the strongest in the race.
@@janbregar2561 I think hed be ok distance wise. But bike handling also a problem. I would be worried for his health if he tries Paris - Roubaix. And there is no need for him to do it. We shouldnt judge a fish by their ability to climb a tree.
You can't be serious!? You put Roglic and Evenepoel above mvdp? So i guess only grand tour riders can lead your little list, and you have a weak spot for van Aert, no? Makes no sense to me. Sorry
Usually I agree with Chris' takes, but this one was like listening to a lawyer trying to convince a judge in a courtroom. 🤣Even if WVA was there and his team was perfect, the weather, the wind, the dry cobblestones, his ability to ride them, the air temperature and the moisture ... he would still get his ass kicked from MvDP in same conditions. 1. Pog, 2. Vinge, 3. Rog, 4. MvDP, 5. Remco, 6. WVA.
1 Pogacar, 2 MvdP, 3 Remco, 4 Vinge 5 Rog 6 WvA. VIngegard has not won ONE monument nor one classic. Also, his silly argument seems to be Mathieu won due to his team. So Vingegard won the TdF how exactly??? Especially in 2022? Etcetc. He needs double standards in so many ways he has no real, well reasoned argument to begin with.
Chris, this time i have to disagree... Wout is my favorite rider (or shared favorite with rogla), but i have to admit mvdp is ahead of wout in my opinion... And i think it is clear unfortunately.. Just look at the palmares and it is clear... 9 tdf stages, green jersey and one monument (wout) cannot compete with 6 monuments, world championship title and 1 or 2 tdf stages (mvdp).. 😢
Please elaborate on your scoring system. To me cycle racing is more like a game of chess. Chess with a dozen players on the same board at the same time...
Couldn’t agree more…also don’t forget his impressive number of CX worlds titles directly against Wout…. There’s really not much of an argument about these two head to head. Plus MVDP knows how to stay upright on a bicycle . Wout finds the ground pretty often.
Monuments are impressive, true! However, WVA is not only a one-day racer but also a rider in the Grand Tour (and one week races) and has won many great stages in the TdF (most notably on the Champs Élysés). So, I understand Chris' stand. BUT in my opinion, MVDP is the best one-day rider in the world at the moment and could become in a near future the best one-day rider of all time. WVA needs to be in the best shape of his life and needs luck to overcome MVDP.
As WVA fan I have to agree with you. MVDP is simply the best in the one day classics at the moment. I can't remember a big race the last 2 years where WVA brought the pain to MVDP. I really want to see WVA forget about the Grand Tours and really focus on the one day races so we could get some epic duels the next few years.
@@shaddapforever Thank you and i agree with you as well. I am a big WVA fan, but MVDP keeps beating him. He beat him soundly in cyclecross. Chris favors Tadej and Wout, fair enough they are great cyclist. MVDP is on serious form now and you have to acknowledge it.
That's a valid argument if we only look at one-day races, but there's so much more to it than that. Could WVA win a grand tour if the stars aligned for him? yes, I believe so. Could MVDP? No I don't believe he could, that's the difference imo.
If the others don't show up, you use that argument against VdP and if he doesn't show up, you use that argument against VdP as well. We do not call this objective assessment, but rather assessing cyclists according to different standards.
Your logic sucks. Yes MVP had circumstances on his side this time, however he did NOT do this only once... The bloke makes a habit out of these humongous escapes where he decimates the complete peloton. 3x tour of Flanders, 2x Paris Roubaix (he did this only 1 week after a similar escape in the the Tour of Flanders... Did you factor that in???) World Championship, same style, several World Championsships in cyclo cross, the Amstel Gold race, etc. etc. The Bloke keeps rewriting the rulebook on cycling physics... So if MVDP is "better" than Pogye whe will never know because they are incomparable quantities (MVDP will probably never win a grand Tour, simply because he is to big and heavy for that).... But your reasoning are a bit to facile to my taste...
All good points, but I have to disagree. I would put MVP ahead of not just WVA, but also ahead of Primoz and evenepol. Pogacar-> Vindegaard-> MVP->Evenepol->primoz->Wout
Vindegaard is number one at the tours. 2 Pogacar. Time trial - Evenepoel ? Monuments and WK. MVDP and Pogi depending on the track. Cyclecross. 1 - MVDP. 2 -WVA Mountainbke. None of the 6 mentioned bij Chris Horner. For none of the disciplines WVA is on top of the list. Also not as an allrounder. Pogi is number one. followed bij WVA.
Going forward I think the list is going to look like: Pogacar MVDP Primoz Wout/Vingegaard Evenepol Vingegaard punctured a lung. Good chance he never quite comes back the same. Evenepol might be a great rider, but he isn't a strong one day racer, and doesn't have a good team around him.
I can’t even understand how you could get MVDP over primoz and Remco who win one day races and GT while dropping MVDP in the process of winning all of those races. 🤷🏼♂️😬🦋💪
Chris, I can't believe what you are saying. How is WVA better than MVDP? Time and time again MVDP proves he is the better rider of the 2. And how is Roglic still above MVDP? The man won the Giro within a few seconds and won some one week stage races, that's nowhere near the level of Mathieu. If Remco performed in the gc in grand tours you could make a case for him, but he didn't. I can't say anything against Pogi or Jonas, they were and are absolutely amazing
MvdP is very good at Monuments. But WvA is the rider you can't scratch off in ANY race, from flat TT to the high mountains. There are many race profiles, where MvdP isn't even competing. WvAs 9 TdF stage wins show this.
Ditto. I almost feel played. MVP races this year have been a complete show of dominance. MVP cracks everyone and WVA has crashed repeatedly when under MVP’s pressure. Even Pogac could not believe MVP reeled him in during this year’s San Remo race. Just watching MVP drop an entire field on Flanders climbs (as most walked) or CX world’s sandy fields is proof that he’s the best bike racer.
Perfectly fine having a controversial opinion Chris - but this time around, sorry to disagree. Rule #1 only a win is win = MVDP. Raced a pro generation before you & we‘re watching generations after ourselves…but at the end of the day - results what matters in the hall of fame
@@tonycrabtree3416 very different perspective obviously. MVDP and Alpecin has no objective doing GC, but doing best what’s their target. Winning monuments. And that’s what they do - and doing it better than anyone. If you look back in history, countless worldchampion & monument wins (MVDP) probably the mark to stay. Super domestique work and humbleness may being admirable (WVA), but you also may listen to WVA saying (lately) he learned to loose because of MVDP in very early days. I admire WVA, he‘s just Simply awesome and has holistic abilities. But he doesn’t win. Enough said. Cheers mate 🙌🏽
Luckily MvdP and most objective fans don't care about the CH rankings, as those rankings clearly aren't based on merit. Oh...sorry to tell you Chris, but you don't stand a chance unfortunately...Wout is already married 😂
MvdP has won 5 of the last 9 Monuments he targeted (over the last 3 years, and one of the remaining was won by his teammate). He is *the* best one day racer, period.
Pogi's on much the same level on one day races, especially considering how much younger he still is. What will we see first:A Pogi win at Roubaix or a VDP win at Il Lombardia?
@@nevadosdecachi I'm not denying Pog is a great one day cyclist. Right now, he's the best overall cyclist in the world. But is he the best one day? I'd say no. Why? Because as much as people might disagree, LBL and Il Lombardia simply aren't as competitive as Roubaix and Flanders. Why? Because the big guys can *only* really target one day races, and not stage races. The small guys often choose to focus on one or the other. The people like Vingagaard simply don't show up for LBL. And Roglic, Pog, etc. do show up sometimes, but it's not the focus of their careers like the Grand Tours are. So, yes, Pog could win all 5 monuments. That still doesn't make him the greatest one day cyclist around today.
@@nevadosdecachi Neither. Both are not suited to them. Lombardia climbs too long, Roubaix is way too technical. Did anyone see the hands of Pidcock after Roubaix and MvdP. The former had badly damaged skin, the latter had hands that looked like they were manicured...That is the difference in bike handling.
It’s fine that you are driven by emotion regarding the grand tours and different riders but don’t say knucklehead stuff about Van der Poel. Nobody looks at a riders palmares and researches who didn’t ride in the races because of injury. Cycling careers are about attrition. Without injury Boonen and Cancellara would have more monuments. Also, to focus so hard on the good weather of Roubaix after awesome and beautifully-terrible weather in De Ronde is pretty weak. Keep Van Aert where you rank him but it’s no reason to have a negative post about VDP. It’s easy enough to say VDP is killing it but you prioritize all-around riding so you’re keeping Van Aert at 5. Easy. I wish everyone was healthy and am a fan of Van Aert as well but VDP has 6 monuments a WC and so many beautiful wins it is a knucklehead move to do this post.
They are completely different kind of riders , you just cannot straight compare them . Aside of WVA , who is being dropped by VDP since his early days in CX . You must be drunk picking WVA on top of VDP😂
Chris, apparently you missed some episodes of the MvDP show recently. Please check out these races: Milan San Remo last year, Flanders last year, the World Championship road race, and cyclocross this past season, then compare with Wout.
MVDP can't win a grand tour how the heck is he above Jonas and Primoz? lol Grand Tours are the most important thing in cycling, it's like winning a super bowl and a monument is only like winning a playoff game.
@@Bryan__X__ cycle cross literally doesn't matter and neither does mountain biking, that's just a hobby for him. And the Tour de France is really the only race that matters. but you can think whatever you want. Grand Tours are the most important thing cycling has.
@@Bryan__X__ World Champion mean NOTHING if you are looking at GOAT! who have win WC in the past? Alaphilippe, Pedersen, Valverde, Sagan, Kwiatkowski Costa Gilbert, Caverdish! Yes, you are looking at one day/sprinter! nothing more most of the time!
@@mracer8 yea he beat Pogi Wout Pedersen etc at WC’s he even fell but still won. Remember that? But yea that doesn’t mean anything to you does it? Acknowledge the world champion there is no better one for cycling than MVDP 🚀
Van Aert has lost time and again to MVDP on the road and cyclocross. In a one day race i would put it all on MVDP or Pogacar dependent on course everytime
Wout lacks a bit to MVDP during some of the one day races. That is all I will agree on here. But, Wout drops every one of the one day riders the rest of season including the TdF. 🤔💪🦋🔥
In my opinion Remco and Pogacar are on top of MVDP because they are 2 riders who won a grand tour and showed spectacular 1 day race wins. MVDP is not a GC rider.
@@ToroBots Remco just in LBL. And that was without Tadej, who broke his wrist. These were good wins though and I too think there is a good chance after all have finished their carreers that both Tadej and Remco will have even more impressive carreers than MvdP. They have some years to go.
@@jaysimoes3705 Don't forget: World Champion at age 22, TT WC at age 23, 3x Classica San Sebastian starting at age 19, 3 x Algarve,... MVDP will never be a GC rider and Remco will very never win Paris-Roubaix or become cyclocross WC. So hard to compare these two riders.
First nonesense you say in camamra in a while… what does mdvp need to do? Bleed and win while doing a wheelie? The weather really? Perfect conditions? So the rest had a microclimate i wasnt aware of? We all know you are partial to climbers. After all, that is all you could do. But mvdp is not only the daddy of your wva right now…he is also the daddy on multiple disciplines and a World champ at that. Not crashing is also a skill…thats why my fav rider primoz is jot my top rider…crashing has cost him a lot. For your credibility’s sake…retract.
Watching Van der Poel win the Paris Roubaix is a beauty in itself. I swear to god he looks like he is on mountain bike when he made those crazy turns. It is some circus level sophistication while travelling 60 km per hour. Do you guys think that he can win all 5 monuments soon? He won three and is quite far up the board in monument wins.
For L-B-L you need a true 'puncher'. And although Matje has plenty of that, there are others (who don't ride cobbles and rain) that are FRESH and , depending on the race, may have enough left. Lombard is winnable; no doubt but....I think he likes Strade Bianchi, soon to be a Monument , better!
Never say never... because we never know who will be on the startlist each year... And since MVDP will at least continue for five more seasons, he does have a few more chances.... But to be honest I do not see how he can ever win lombardia... The climb of Madonna del Ghisallo for example has a length of 8.7km... Sorry but that is just to much for him..... To much if he wants to win at least.... In the only edition he did participate he finished at six and a half minute from the winner that day.... Give Mathieu a 1km climb or maybe even 2km.... But the moment it becomes longer than other riders will simply have the advantage of being lighter... I do not see him win LBL either tbh, although this could be possible if the race knows a weird scenario with MVDP being in the breakaway for example. Just like his father Adrie did in the past (1988). 😊✌
well he's only 25 years old, so he still has plenty of time. Don't forget he's 2, 4 and 5 years younger than Vingegaard, VDP and van Aert. Evenepoel is even 1,5 years younger than that. I think we're good for another 5-10 years of spectacular racing :)
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Chris, when you described riding at your redline at the back - squinting, suffering, riding on the rivet and not being able to see - that reminds me of my Saturday group rides. I'm riding at the back and suffering like a pig. Luckily, I haven't flatted or crashed - but this is a real possibility as I rarely look up - as all I see is the back wheel in front of me - and all I'm thinking about is don't get dropped by that back wheel. It gives me some satisfaction that even the ProTour guys go into this state also.
You know what they say: It never gets easier but you go faster. I bet a pro suffers a lot more than an amateur because they teach their bodies to take more abuse for longer time.
This is just silly bro. He would have beat WVA. That guy isn’t competitive against MDVP. Honestly they’ve been racing all year and he dismantled him in cross and on the road. I will never get this.
Great show as always. But: In cyclocross, when he's going well, MVP is simply too strong for everyone else, including Wout, in all conditions. In the longest, toughest one-day races, at his best he's too much even for Tadej to handle. In the 2021 Paris Roubaix, when everything went wrong for him, he still bridged all the way to the front group and dropped Wout almost single-handedly, and still, improbably, only just lost to Sonny Colbrelli on the line. Wout was 7th. This year at Gent-Wevelgem he fell just short of Mads Pedersen on only two days rest after winning E3. As you say, when Wout crashes or flats and MVP doesn't, that isn't just a question of bad luck. IMO MVP, also a master tactician as you say, is well ahead of Wout overall.
If I'm not mistaken he won 11 of 12 Crosses this winter. He fell in the other and was 5th (??) something. In about 8 (or so) he met WvA and beat him like an old rug.... Watch him this summer at the Paris Olympix MOUNTAINBIKE! (no plank)
How can you say that MVP is well ahead of Wout? Can MVP win a time trial? Can MVP win going up Ventoux and can he win on the Champs-Élysées? The answer to all three are no. Wout did won all three in one TdF.
@@davidjones5547 Sorry, it's true Wout was amazing winning the TDF green jersey and taking stages like candy from a sleeping baby. But to me if you're not winning the grand tours that really isn't first page.
One note about CX - yes, Mathieu was incredibly dominant this year, but the year before, Wout was winning against him almost every time. Wout was not focusing on CX at all this year, only did a handful of races and purposely tried not to peak to do so for the classics.
Agree with the analysis still you can only beat whoever shows up. Didn't Pog regain his number 1 spot on your list after the huge solo win at Strade Bianche not facing any of the top 6? I understand giving more emphasise for grand tours as the highest most complete test for road cycling but shouldn't MVP climb at least one spot over WVA? Just compare their palmares at the classic (for two predominantly classic riders). Love your channel.
Yes, at this time he absolutely is… Multiple Cyclocross season champ. Multiple World Cyclocross Champion. World road race Champion. Six time Monument champ. Multiple Grand Tour stage winner. Multiple single-day renowned race winner. The guy is a beast.
I agree with you that Mads Pederson isn't on the same level as MVDP. However, in this particular race, we couldn't even see THAT matchup, let alone missing Wout, because Pederson's team simply wasn't there for him like VDP's was. Alpecin on Sunday looked like Jumbo in the Grand Tours last year in support of its three champions. Which reminds me. I'm impressed with your consistent ability to say Visma-Lease A Bike. The guys at both Lanterne Rouge and Cycling Dane are STILL saying Jumbo at least once a video!
Chris still on his epo rush…… WvA is a great rider but will never win the same number of monuments…. If MvdP would focus one season on Giro/TDF/Spain and skip all the rest he would probably add 10 stages in the main grand tours….. One can only defeat the riders that participate and i’ve got news for you Chris…. MvdP has kicked WvA ass (yes your big boy) time and time again so doesn’t need to fear him in any race…… Otherwise comparing grand tour riders versus the one day classics is a personal thing… Pogy on nr. One i can understand but MvdP should be close to equal with Vinegard… all the others not even close……
WvA is in danger of taking over MvdP’s grandfather’s title as “The Eternal Second”. Sure he’s won a lot of big races (as did Poulidior) but his collection of silver medals and other second places (frequently behind MvdP, since they were kids) is mounting at an alarming rate. You may try to attribute some of that to luck, however, this year, for instance, WvA took himself out at both E3 and DDV. Great riders make their own luck (fortune is infatuated with the efficient). Roger De Vlaeminck rode his 11th Paris Roubaix before he had his first flat tire in that race. You can call it luck, but MvdP seems to have the same bike handling skills and ability to ride proper lines to avoid punctures and crashes. WvA, not so much. Last year at P-R, if I remember correctly, he crashed once and punctured twice. MvdP has been manhandling WvA at cyclocross for years now and that dominance has translated to the road. True, WvA is a better climber and he won a mountain stage at the Tour. Fantastic accomplishment, don’t get me wrong. But so has Eros Poli (on the Ventoux, no less), George Hincapie and a hundred others that you’ve never heard of. Winning a grand tour stage is often more a matter of strategy/peloton indifference than pure ability. Winning a monument through peloton indifference? No f-ing way. Chris, I get it, obviously, you highly favor grand tour riders over classics specialists. However, to say that MvdP can only win flat or slightly hilly races is insulting. He wins the most difficult races of the year. And with the exception of the generational talent that is Pogachar (who, btw, he did beat at RVV in 2022, MSR in 2023 and Worlds in 2023), every grand tour rider would have their lunch money stolen by MvdP in any serious one day race. You’re comparing apples and pork belly tacos. But to rate him as 6th best? Please…..
MvdP is the best one day driver in the world. He crushes WvA every monument they compete in, and then also in the cross. Don't get me wrong, I love WvA and in the mountains in the past 3week tours WvA was increadible! You should make 2 lists: one for week/3weeks tours and one for the Classics/Monuments. In the combination of those two, Tadej, Remco and WvA are top of the list, but on the Classics/Monuments list MvdP is number one at this point, with only Tadej as a reasonable competitor.
Another way to look at it is how many UCI points do you get per TdF win. 120 x 9 = 1080 UCI points across WvA wins. 6 monuments x 800 = 4800 UCI points for MvdP. Plus world champs at 600.
MVDP is absolutely peerless in one day races he has entered over the last year. Look at the horrendous road worlds last year…even binned it and still triumphed. Paris Roubaix just compounds his excellence.
Hey Chris, ZERO starts at Paris-Roubaix and then giving such critics? Common, a super domestique is not on the level of the best one day racer cycling has.
@@ChrisHornerCycling MVDP is in the midst of possibly becoming the greatest single day cobblestone classics rider ever. Time will tell. He looks to be improving still at 29, which is scary! If he ends his career with most RVV and Roubaix wins out of anyone, I think he earns this distinction. This is in addition to being the best cyclocross racer ever, which I think any honest person would agree at this point, as well as an insanely valuable lead-out man to Philipson. So yeah, that's why I would put him in the conversation of top 3 riders at the moment. But to put Roglic ahead of MVDP right now is crazy.
Tadej is hands down the most versatile rider there is. MDVP can’t climb cat 1 grand tours like WVA can. Throw a few cobbles in the ground and a few hundred meters and he’s fine but that’s why he didn’t bother signing with a grand tour team like WVA. He just wants to ride around on a Canyon for a billion dollars around France after destroying people in one day races. What I like about him is he seems to understand his own body and strength in a way no one else does right now. Mads, one of the best riders blows himself up all the time. MDVP - I have never seen truly blow. He gets beat sometimes, but he doesn’t blow (at least not in his prime form).
Love listening to your show and hearing your analyses, but I have to disagree with you here. MVDP is significantly better than WVA. I think deep down inside Wout knows it as well.
Already last year Wout adapts his tactics to Mathieu, not vice versa. Says enough. He lost Roubaix in 2023 because he did not dare to go alone with Mathieu when the two had a gap. Even the Belgian reporters noted that. In E3 he was in MvdP wheel all the time. Until he lost it, panicked and fell.
The mean daily temperature for Roubaix in April is 15,0 C to be exact (1991-2020). So at the start of April that is about 13,5 C. 17 C was warm. For Bastogne the average daytime maximum is 12,1 C in April. The record high for Roubaix (all time ever in April) is 27,9 or 82,2 F. What are you harping on about?
I rarely disagree with you. But this is one of those rare occasions. MVP has been much stronger than WVA for about 2 years. And the best thing is, he's never afraid to attack. He always goes "all in". With a lot of courage to take risks. WVA, although one of the best bikers on earth, is calculating and doesn't risk much. I put my money on MVP
In one day races MvdP is in a league of his own. He did this with Van Aert, with Pogacar and so on. What is amazing may be is that he needs to change tactics to win these races without Tadej/Wout and he does. He always seems to have the right tactics at hand. When he loses he does so because the opponent was imply stronger. Can anyone pick out a race where MvdP made a tactical error because at least recently I can't.
i don't agree with you Van aert 1 monument, MVDP 6. CX world championship van Aert 3 , MVDP 6. it has better results. And this year he became really wise with better strategy.
I'm sorry but MVDP is definitely better than WVA (even aside from the injury) at the moment. Back in Aug, MVDP attacks WVA and Tadej and rides away from them to win the world championship. Then at Sanremo this year Tadej attacks and MVDP closes the gap and closes down every attack after that so that Jasper can win the sprint. I'm not saying he's better or on par with Tadej but he's definitely better than WVA at the moment.
Nobody reads cobbles as good as Mathieu; so when he is up front alone, he doesn't have to take a wrong path that leads him to punctures. That's why you cannot follow him once he is gone. Right now, the best one day racer, but the longer climbs in LBL are definitely more of a challenge for him. And with Tadej Pogacar around, it's going to be more of a real fight. looking forward to that.
Lmao 🤣 🤣 love Horner and his takes, but he went full knucklehead with this take. The only bigger knucklehead was the Visma lease rider going on the inside of the velodrome yesterday.
@Trek. Do your research better. uSADA personally and publicly apologized for Their mistake the next day, so it won’t take much work on your part to answer your own question. 😜🦋
Cobbles are great for riding solo because you can pick your own best line and ride at a sustainable pace without surges in power from trying to ride with the group
Love your take Chris, but here i disagree. Palmarès of MvDP speaks for himself. He wins BIG and against the best, on many terrain besides big mountain. This is clearly not enough to be the best rider in the world but that puts him above WVA for sure. I also believe we will remember MVDP longer than Roglic or even Vingegaard or Remco because nobody cares about 1 week races wins and MVDP won so many monument including world championship. He dominates, he beat wout, he beats Alaf (when on top) he beats Pogi (MSR). At the end of the days the only best rider in the world is Pogi and nobof’dy competes in this category beside him. He is alone for the title. Before it used to be Hinault (yes nobody in between) because to be the best rider in the world you need to win big all terrains, all year long. my 2 cents!
MVDP is better than WVA. Head to head in important races, MVDP almost always wins. Wout's climbing prowess is exaggerated -- Ventoux was impressive, but no GC guys were involved. MVDP gets to the line (finish and start) because he rarely crashes (MTB notwithstanding!) and rarely punctures. I don't think luck explains that -- bike handling and focus do, and those are important attributes of a "best bike racer".
What a lot of people miss about tailwinds is if the tail wind is going at 10 miles an hour and you're doing 20 miles an hour, you are pushing against at least a 5 to 10 mph headwind.
Who was there in your top 6 when Pogi did the 80 km solo at the Strade Bianche …. No one . Mathieu won the world chanpionship when they were almost all there . He is the #1.
Chris, I love the way you describe what it's really like for guys in the peleton, what they have to deal with compared to those up front (cross winds, road furniture, etc.). It gives great insight into the dynamics of bike racing, which deepens our understanding and appreciation of the sport. Keep on!
I normally agree with your analysis, but on this you’re utterly wrong. You’re using so many, unreasonably, conditionals. No way either Evenepoel or Van Aert would have beaten him, Van Aert rarely gets the better of Van de Poel. Pogacar would also have struggled to stay with him, so the argument that none of these were there is irrelevant. You’re not giving MVP the respect he deserves. You’re blinded by WVA, who doesn’t seem to know how to win classics. As someone said, MVP is 6 to 1 in monuments over “the big guy” stats say it all. Vingegaard only wins one type of race, a stage race, so by your logic he shouldn’t be in the top 5 because he can’t go head to head with classics riders. I think you’re trolling us with this analysis
It's the paradox of MVDP in that one on one against any of the rest, outside of the high mountains, he will find a way to win 9 times out of 10. But equally, he is a solid no. 6 on the list.
WVA had the greatest TDF green jersey run 2 years ago, but MVP has taken everything else… WVA got lost support Jonas the last year, MVP is focused on one days. WVA to 6Th
Following this logic, if Wout were to retire tomorrow, and MVDP racked up let’s say four more monuments… Wout would still be higher. Cause MVDP didn’t beat him. Cause the weather was nice. I mean, even now… 1 monument vs 6. Beat Wout in several of them (MSR, RVV, Roubaix). Beat Wout in Worlds. I mean… Wout has a green jersey, sure. Won a few TdF stages. Helped Jonas crack Pogi… and that’s enough to leapfrog 5 more monuments and a Worlds? Not to mention CX where MVDP crushes Wout in a non-team discipline 1v1. Even Wout would not agree to how highly you rate his TdF performances 😂
Gotta weigh the past years results a bit heavier than results from 2-3 years ago. MVDP is on fire right now, and has been for over a year. We will see how the rest of the year shapes out for everyone. I would love to see MVDP target a big TT race, these last two long solos clearly show he can generate some power and pace himself!
1, Pog 2, MvdP 3, Vingegaard 4, Rogla 5, Remco 6, WvA I think the above ranking comes out of a clearheaded analysis of each riders palmares. I can’t knock WvA’s talent, he has/had amazing potential. That being said, his results do not reflect that and he hasn’t realised it on the road. The list is fluid. Guys could change places this year but right now, I’m seeing that as the ‘correct’ order.
Chris i love your show but your bias against mvdp is disturbing...rankings are dynamic not static ...if mvdp cant jump above a rider whose last meaningful victory was tour of Britain last yesr and is currently broken in bed and who has lost to mvdp 80 percent of the time well well there is no hope 😢 ..you do not get to keep rankings based on victories months ago😂 😅😅😅..
Love your analysis Chris! Although, I wouldn't compare Vingo or Rogla with MVDP because they are Grand Tour riders whereas MVDP is a one-day rider. As for WVA, he is a unique type of rider who can perform in one-day races as well as week long races or Grand Tours. Pogi is also a one-of-a-kind of rider, but more successful than WVA, who seems to have developped a MVDP syndrome (but it's just my perception).
Philipsen is not even on your second page? Going to need you to explain that one for me. For me, I’d say MVDP can’t move up over the other five riders because of lack of TT. All the other five shown excellent fine form in TTs whereas MVDP doesn’t even have a TT palmares to begin with.
wva only has one monument win. mvdp did the double in rainbow stripes and absolutely annihilated everybody. and he spend like 100k on the attack while winning flanders+roubaix, his team was great but its not like they towed him to the line.
How you ken put wou van art before MVDP. LOOK WAT HIM WINS AGAINS VAN ART. LOOK HISTORY RACES HET TO HET. IS ONLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOUR PREFERENCES FOR SURE.
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Since WvA won his only monument, MvdP has won 6 including 3 head-to-head. He's also won a WC, again head-to-head. Not sure what more he can do to show he's better, at least at the classics (and cyclocross of course).
The Belgians don't believe you.
I think MVPis better too or maybe its just that I don't think that WVA is better. If that makes any sense at all.
WVA has won mountain stages in the Tour and was a key member of yellow-jersey winning teams multiple times
Wout had a lot of bad luck too. Crashed in paris roubaix, flat the other time...
100% - I don’t understand this video because he points how MDVP team set him up to win, as if that degrades his ability over WVA. Meanwhile if he didn’t he would be a knucklehead if he didn’t? Common, I like both riders but MDVP has simply delivered more results over the last year or more.
Never understood how you’re supposed to compare bike racers across different disciplines. We don’t compare Marathoners to Sprinters. For my money, MVDP is the most exciting one day bike racer on the planet right now.
Tradej is pretty exciting to watch as well
What? They're not mutually exclusive, Tadej can win both, most recently head to head with MVDP in Milan San Remo.
@@patrick4594-y7u You do realise Van der Poel didn't go head to head with Tadej at MSR, the team adapted his plan on the final descent to do a full lead out for Jasper Philipsen. Doing a long lead out to bridge a gap, versus "sitting in" on the wheels until 100 metres out is NOT a head to head mate.
I was going to make a very similar comment. It’s hard to say who is the best “bike racer”. I think this is the source of a lot of arguments around who is the overall “best”.
Who is the best stage racer? (1 week? 3 week?) Who is the best climber? Who is the best TT rider? Who is the best cobbled classic rider? That’s not even including other disciplines beyond road biking, to discuss who is the best “all around” bike racer (cyclocross, cross country MTB, etc).
Thanks, CH! I think one thing that we can all agree upon, is that this is an exciting time to be a fan of the greatest sport on the planet! 🦋👊
So now you're asking VDP to solo away from Pogi and Primoz in frikkin LBL to MAYBE have a chance of bumping WvA? 😳 What's the next ask, spanking Pogi and Remco in a HOT Lombardia? Crazy talk.
😂😂😂
Let WVA be nr 6 until he beats Pogacar and MVDP head to head in a big race
😂😂😂 not happening but sure I hope VDP tried
He is basically asking MvdP to do better than someone who has not won a thing at all this year. Seems simple, but with Chris the opposite is true: it is impossible.
@@Serenoj69 He puts a high value on Wout's climbing wins and mountain domestique work in the TdF. That's an opinion he can have but he's basically click baiting on MVDP's fame.
I think this is the worst opinion I’ve ever heard you give, Chris. I couldn’t disagree more. Out of your top 6, I think Tadej is the only valid argument over MVdP because he can win single day races and three week tours.
Part of the paralysis by analysis should include if the others can make it to the start line-they couldn’t. It’s not MVdPs fault, he can only beat who is there, and he won convincingly over those that did show. Head to head, he whips Wouts ass, Primoz crashes more than I did when I first took my training wheels off my bike, Jonas isn’t beating MVdP in a one day monument, and Remco is missing that focus that would make him a contender in every race he enters-when Sepp Kuss beats you in a three week tour, and you were a GC favorite??? He crushed last years worlds, and he has led Jasper out so many times to win a sprint…
You doing the big diesel a disservice, my man. I know you favor the three week tours over single day racers, but the other thing you fail to quantify is how much more exciting these early monuments are now that MVdP is involved, and races them as aggressively as he does. I think the reason Tadej even competes in them is because of the notoriety MVdP and Wout have received. You can’t tell me Boonen and Cancellara were as exciting as these two-they weren’t. The consistency this man has in these races is unreal.
Cycling is very lucky to have these guys competing against each other at this time. I think we may have another 5yrs left to witness this exciting age of cycling, and MVdP is a MAJOR reason why we are enjoying it so much. He really should be 1A to Tadejs 1. No one else is even close right now, IMO.
Word. Except Cancellara was the man.
Great comment
For the sake of discussion I think Wout is pretty close to Matthieu. I’m thinking of his legendary exploits in the 2022 tour, winning on Ventoux in 2021, contesting huge bunch sprints in Paris, etc.
It’s a huge tragedy that Wout crashed out and couldn’t contest the races this spring.
Primoz and your training wheels. Best joke of the year so far 😂😂😂
Remco has to drop in the top 6 this year, he does not have good results IMO to keep him this high
I agree Tadej is a clear win.
I dont think there is any way to compare pure(ish) GC riders like Vingegaard and Roglic to a pure classic rider like MvdP.
But he beat everyone last year at MSR, PR and the world championship. And 2 weeks ago in the longest solo in E3 in history with everyone still there. He tore WvA to shreds there. Its they werent there in RvV and PR.
I think youre also reasoning in a strange way. He has to beat Pogi and Roglic on their terrain in LBL to move up. But why not the other way around. Do you want to guess how many days Roglic would finish behind MvdP on his terrain a cobbled classic? Pogi is in a league of his own tho, no contest there.
IMHO
1 day races - Pogi, MvdP, Evenepoel, Wva
GC - Vingegaard, Pogi, Roglic, Evenepoel.
Calling Roglic a pure Grand Tour rider is not entirely correct IMHO ... Olympic Champion, Liege-Bastogne-Liege, Tre Valli Varesine, Milano-Torino, Giro dell Emilia 3x..... And yes on top of that he won the same amount of Grand Tours as Pogacar and Vingegaard together + countless one week races (Of the "big 7" one week races, he won all of them at least one time already except the Tour of Suisse).
We will of course never see him on the cobbles, but he's more than a Grand Tour rider alone... You would not give him enough credit by saying such... And mark my words when I tell you now already that this years World Championship will be a battle between our two Slovenian friends probably... We have a climbers World Championship this year... Can't wait for it to be honest.
GC evenepoel lets be honest…when this guy is against the big guns he drops everytime on big climbs
@@swissbiggy to be fair, Roglič did do a cobble race: GP de Denain in 2022. He was in the elite group of 5 who broke away from the peloton, but they got caught in the end. He was one of the strongest in the race.
Think Roglič if he got his positioning game on point, he could be a decent cobble rider. Only worry is races over 230 km.
@@janbregar2561 I think hed be ok distance wise. But bike handling also a problem. I would be worried for his health if he tries Paris - Roubaix. And there is no need for him to do it. We shouldnt judge a fish by their ability to climb a tree.
You can't be serious!?
You put Roglic and Evenepoel above mvdp?
So i guess only grand tour riders can lead your little list, and you have a weak spot for van Aert, no?
Makes no sense to me. Sorry
Usually I agree with Chris' takes, but this one was like listening to a lawyer trying to convince a judge in a courtroom. 🤣Even if WVA was there and his team was perfect, the weather, the wind, the dry cobblestones, his ability to ride them, the air temperature and the moisture ... he would still get his ass kicked from MvDP in same conditions. 1. Pog, 2. Vinge, 3. Rog, 4. MvDP, 5. Remco, 6. WVA.
1 Pogacar, 2 MvdP, 3 Remco, 4 Vinge 5 Rog 6 WvA. VIngegard has not won ONE monument nor one classic. Also, his silly argument seems to be Mathieu won due to his team. So Vingegard won the TdF how exactly??? Especially in 2022? Etcetc. He needs double standards in so many ways he has no real, well reasoned argument to begin with.
Chris, this time i have to disagree... Wout is my favorite rider (or shared favorite with rogla), but i have to admit mvdp is ahead of wout in my opinion... And i think it is clear unfortunately.. Just look at the palmares and it is clear... 9 tdf stages, green jersey and one monument (wout) cannot compete with 6 monuments, world championship title and 1 or 2 tdf stages (mvdp).. 😢
Please elaborate on your scoring system.
To me cycle racing is more like a game of chess. Chess with a dozen players on the same board at the same time...
Couldn’t agree more…also don’t forget his impressive number of CX worlds titles directly against Wout…. There’s really not much of an argument about these two head to head. Plus MVDP knows how to stay upright on a bicycle . Wout finds the ground pretty often.
@@Forested-pz9cp agree with you except for the last part where you state that WVA crashes often.
Wout helped bring two TdF wins. mVDP none. Just saying 😜🦋👊
@@Forested-pz9cp MVDP has the edge on total wins, but lest we forget, WVA beat him 3 years in a row in their prime.
WvA 1 monument.
MvdP 6 Monuments and a World Title. Seems very clear who is better.
You started believing your own nonsense.
Monuments are impressive, true! However, WVA is not only a one-day racer but also a rider in the Grand Tour (and one week races) and has won many great stages in the TdF (most notably on the Champs Élysés). So, I understand Chris' stand. BUT in my opinion, MVDP is the best one-day rider in the world at the moment and could become in a near future the best one-day rider of all time. WVA needs to be in the best shape of his life and needs luck to overcome MVDP.
You need to watch the races. MVDP has had some insane luck with regard to mechanicals and also the field that he is racing against.
it's not all about the monuments amigo, look what WVA can do to the best climbers in the Tour...
@@tgibb17 lmao. VDP clapped Pogi, WVA and an entire field of elites in the worlds at Glasgow as well. 1'30 with a fall? Luck my arse
Haters will find excuses.. Cant get around that
Chris, come on man. You keep rating Wout over MVDP, when MVDP keeps crushing him. Are you watching the races?!
As WVA fan I have to agree with you. MVDP is simply the best in the one day classics at the moment.
I can't remember a big race the last 2 years where WVA brought the pain to MVDP.
I really want to see WVA forget about the Grand Tours and really focus on the one day races so we could get some epic duels the next few years.
@@shaddapforever Thank you and i agree with you as well. I am a big WVA fan, but MVDP keeps beating him. He beat him soundly in cyclecross. Chris favors Tadej and Wout, fair enough they are great cyclist. MVDP is on serious form now and you have to acknowledge it.
That's because Chris rates WvA's exploits in the Tour de France very highly.
That's a valid argument if we only look at one-day races, but there's so much more to it than that. Could WVA win a grand tour if the stars aligned for him? yes, I believe so. Could MVDP? No I don't believe he could, that's the difference imo.
WvA dropped MvdP in two TdF stages, while both were in the attacker group going for the stage win. MvdP can't climb as good as WvA.
he can only beat the guys who're in the race
That’s not exactly true. He could go to other races along with these classics. 🤔🦋👊
@@ChrisHornerCyclingVingegaard never performs in one day races… if he wants no 1 ranking he needs to show more there… using your logic
If the others don't show up, you use that argument against VdP and if he doesn't show up, you use that argument against VdP as well. We do not call this objective assessment, but rather assessing cyclists according to different standards.
@@ChrisHornerCycling Yeah... He DID do other races all fall/winter - when the road-only guys were cozy in their beds
@@ChrisHornerCyclingclown you don’t know anything between the rivalry of mvdp en wva. Mvdp always wins against him.
Your logic sucks. Yes MVP had circumstances on his side this time, however he did NOT do this only once... The bloke makes a habit out of these humongous escapes where he decimates the complete peloton. 3x tour of Flanders, 2x Paris Roubaix (he did this only 1 week after a similar escape in the the Tour of Flanders... Did you factor that in???) World Championship, same style, several World Championsships in cyclo cross, the Amstel Gold race, etc. etc. The Bloke keeps rewriting the rulebook on cycling physics... So if MVDP is "better" than Pogye whe will never know because they are incomparable quantities (MVDP will probably never win a grand Tour, simply because he is to big and heavy for that).... But your reasoning are a bit to facile to my taste...
All good points, but I have to disagree. I would put MVP ahead of not just WVA, but also ahead of Primoz and evenepol. Pogacar-> Vindegaard-> MVP->Evenepol->primoz->Wout
I would agree with this ranking.
I think there would even be an argument for having MVDP above Jonas. Pogi would be top because of his versatility.
Vindegaard is number one at the tours. 2 Pogacar.
Time trial - Evenepoel ?
Monuments and WK. MVDP and Pogi depending on the track.
Cyclecross. 1 - MVDP. 2 -WVA
Mountainbke. None of the 6 mentioned bij Chris Horner.
For none of the disciplines WVA is on top of the list. Also not as an allrounder. Pogi is number one. followed bij WVA.
Going forward I think the list is going to look like:
Pogacar
MVDP
Primoz
Wout/Vingegaard
Evenepol
Vingegaard punctured a lung. Good chance he never quite comes back the same. Evenepol might be a great rider, but he isn't a strong one day racer, and doesn't have a good team around him.
I can’t even understand how you could get MVDP over primoz and Remco who win one day races and GT while dropping MVDP in the process of winning all of those races. 🤷🏼♂️😬🦋💪
Chris, I can't believe what you are saying. How is WVA better than MVDP? Time and time again MVDP proves he is the better rider of the 2. And how is Roglic still above MVDP? The man won the Giro within a few seconds and won some one week stage races, that's nowhere near the level of Mathieu. If Remco performed in the gc in grand tours you could make a case for him, but he didn't. I can't say anything against Pogi or Jonas, they were and are absolutely amazing
MvdP is very good at Monuments. But WvA is the rider you can't scratch off in ANY race, from flat TT to the high mountains. There are many race profiles, where MvdP isn't even competing.
WvAs 9 TdF stage wins show this.
@@mikedittschenobody cares who won stage 9 of the tdf lmao.
@@Ew-pc5pk not stage 9 but nine stages of the TdF lmao. And, yeah every cyclist ever, cares about a stage win at the TdF.
@@mikedittsche again nobody cares about stage 9 of the tdf
Let's give MvdP the edge in teenage girl attacking and fan-spitting at the very least.
I'm sorry, but this is one of the first videos you've posted where I think you're speaking absolute nonsense. This has gotta be clickbait/trolling?
His first such effort was of the same level. Clickbait.
Ditto. I almost feel played. MVP races this year have been a complete show of dominance. MVP cracks everyone and WVA has crashed repeatedly when under MVP’s pressure. Even Pogac could not believe MVP reeled him in during this year’s San Remo race. Just watching MVP drop an entire field on Flanders climbs (as most walked) or CX world’s sandy fields is proof that he’s the best bike racer.
Perfectly fine having a controversial opinion Chris - but this time around, sorry to disagree. Rule #1 only a win is win = MVDP. Raced a pro generation before you & we‘re watching generations after ourselves…but at the end of the day - results what matters in the hall of fame
When MVDP chauffeurs multiple GT winners, then you’d right. WVA has wins on top of GT winners he supported.
@@tonycrabtree3416 very different perspective obviously. MVDP and Alpecin has no objective doing GC, but doing best what’s their target. Winning monuments. And that’s what they do - and doing it better than anyone. If you look back in history, countless worldchampion & monument wins (MVDP) probably the mark to stay. Super domestique work and humbleness may being admirable (WVA), but you also may listen to WVA saying (lately) he learned to loose because of MVDP in very early days. I admire WVA, he‘s just Simply awesome and has holistic abilities. But he doesn’t win. Enough said. Cheers mate 🙌🏽
@@bicivini Well, exactly. 👍 That’s the point.
Luckily MvdP and most objective fans don't care about the CH rankings, as those rankings clearly aren't based on merit.
Oh...sorry to tell you Chris, but you don't stand a chance unfortunately...Wout is already married 😂
MvdP has won 5 of the last 9 Monuments he targeted (over the last 3 years, and one of the remaining was won by his teammate). He is *the* best one day racer, period.
Pogi's on much the same level on one day races, especially considering how much younger he still is. What will we see first:A Pogi win at Roubaix or a VDP win at Il Lombardia?
@@nevadosdecachi I'm not denying Pog is a great one day cyclist. Right now, he's the best overall cyclist in the world.
But is he the best one day? I'd say no.
Why? Because as much as people might disagree, LBL and Il Lombardia simply aren't as competitive as Roubaix and Flanders.
Why? Because the big guys can *only* really target one day races, and not stage races. The small guys often choose to focus on one or the other.
The people like Vingagaard simply don't show up for LBL. And Roglic, Pog, etc. do show up sometimes, but it's not the focus of their careers like the Grand Tours are.
So, yes, Pog could win all 5 monuments. That still doesn't make him the greatest one day cyclist around today.
@@nevadosdecachi Neither. Both are not suited to them. Lombardia climbs too long, Roubaix is way too technical. Did anyone see the hands of Pidcock after Roubaix and MvdP. The former had badly damaged skin, the latter had hands that looked like they were manicured...That is the difference in bike handling.
It’s fine that you are driven by emotion regarding the grand tours and different riders but don’t say knucklehead stuff about Van der Poel. Nobody looks at a riders palmares and researches who didn’t ride in the races because of injury. Cycling careers are about attrition. Without injury Boonen and Cancellara would have more monuments. Also, to focus so hard on the good weather of Roubaix after awesome and beautifully-terrible weather in De Ronde is pretty weak. Keep Van Aert where you rank him but it’s no reason to have a negative post about VDP. It’s easy enough to say VDP is killing it but you prioritize all-around riding so you’re keeping Van Aert at 5. Easy. I wish everyone was healthy and am a fan of Van Aert as well but VDP has 6 monuments a WC and so many beautiful wins it is a knucklehead move to do this post.
They are completely different kind of riders , you just cannot straight compare them . Aside of WVA , who is being dropped by VDP since his early days in CX .
You must be drunk picking WVA on top of VDP😂
Brother. The only outlier in the group is Jonas...the other five can win any one day race.
WVA beat MVDP in two CX WCs.....they were very close for several years
@@motominded5275you said it, they were very close for several years (in past tense).
@@franciscomolina5389 @vallinotti said WVA was being dropped by VDP since early days in CX.....which is not true my friend.
Drunk on the facts. 😂🍻🦋👊
We all know you're not a big MVDP fan.
No need to tell everybody that, everytime MVDP puts on a brilliant show!
A little bird told me MVDP does not worry about how you rate him. I still love your analysis 99 % of the time
No way. Respectfully disagree. One-day versus stage racing are two different animals. You are comparing apples and oranges.
Still blows my mind Wout won the big TT, the Ventoux, and the Champs Elysees sprint, all in one Tour.
And don't forget that's years étape 18....going like crazy over mountains attacking 10km after start...to pull Jonas up the Hautacam. 😮😮😮
Jumbo-Visma's sauce?
Chris, apparently you missed some episodes of the MvDP show recently. Please check out these races: Milan San Remo last year, Flanders last year, the World Championship road race, and cyclocross this past season, then compare with Wout.
Not to mention this most recent CX season. MvDP winning race after race after race over WvA.
he is a hater
My list rn is Pog, MVDP, Jonas, Wout, Primoz, Remco, Pedersen
MVDP can't win a grand tour how the heck is he above Jonas and Primoz? lol Grand Tours are the most important thing in cycling, it's like winning a super bowl and a monument is only like winning a playoff game.
@@TheWorldisaLIE2Jonas and Primoz world champion in multiple disciplines?
Think not.
MVDP all day 🚀
@@Bryan__X__ cycle cross literally doesn't matter and neither does mountain biking, that's just a hobby for him. And the Tour de France is really the only race that matters. but you can think whatever you want. Grand Tours are the most important thing cycling has.
@@Bryan__X__ World Champion mean NOTHING if you are looking at GOAT! who have win WC in the past? Alaphilippe, Pedersen, Valverde, Sagan, Kwiatkowski Costa Gilbert, Caverdish! Yes, you are looking at one day/sprinter! nothing more most of the time!
@@mracer8 yea he beat Pogi Wout Pedersen etc at WC’s he even fell but still won. Remember that? But yea that doesn’t mean anything to you does it? Acknowledge the world champion there is no better one for cycling than MVDP 🚀
Video title: How to underestimate VDP Paris Roubaix win to keep him below WVA. 😂😂😂
He is a hater.. 😂
@@TrekRidley it's kinda impossible to be a MVDP hater, but he surely tries
Calling it how it is that’s not hate
Chris Horner is not a MVDP hater. He's just an Alpecin Hair Booster non believer.
Chris Horner is not a hater. He's just an Alpecin Hair Booster non believer.
Van Aert has lost time and again to MVDP on the road and cyclocross.
In a one day race i would put it all on MVDP or Pogacar dependent on course everytime
Matje has a 'mental edge' on Wout; he knows that and outsmarts him time and again...
Wout three straight xc world titles mean what……..
Wout lacks a bit to MVDP during some of the one day races. That is all I will agree on here. But, Wout drops every one of the one day riders the rest of season including the TdF. 🤔💪🦋🔥
Do you actually watch CX at all....WVA beat MVDP 3 years in a row in WC's.....
@@dorianwaller8796 that is correct MVDP has won the last 5 though🤔
MVP is on top of Wout and Remco for sure.
In my opinion Remco and Pogacar are on top of MVDP because they are 2 riders who won a grand tour and showed spectacular 1 day race wins. MVDP is not a GC rider.
@@ToroBots Remco just in LBL. And that was without Tadej, who broke his wrist. These were good wins though and I too think there is a good chance after all have finished their carreers that both Tadej and Remco will have even more impressive carreers than MvdP. They have some years to go.
@@jaysimoes3705 Don't forget: World Champion at age 22, TT WC at age 23, 3x Classica San Sebastian starting at age 19, 3 x Algarve,... MVDP will never be a GC rider and Remco will very never win Paris-Roubaix or become cyclocross WC. So hard to compare these two riders.
First nonesense you say in camamra in a while… what does mdvp need to do? Bleed and win while doing a wheelie? The weather really? Perfect conditions? So the rest had a microclimate i wasnt aware of? We all know you are partial to climbers. After all, that is all you could do. But mvdp is not only the daddy of your wva right now…he is also the daddy on multiple disciplines and a World champ at that. Not crashing is also a skill…thats why my fav rider primoz is jot my top rider…crashing has cost him a lot. For your credibility’s sake…retract.
Watching Van der Poel win the Paris Roubaix is a beauty in itself. I swear to god he looks like he is on mountain bike when he made those crazy turns. It is some circus level sophistication while travelling 60 km per hour.
Do you guys think that he can win all 5 monuments soon? He won three and is quite far up the board in monument wins.
For L-B-L you need a true 'puncher'. And although Matje has plenty of that, there are others (who don't ride cobbles and rain) that are FRESH and , depending on the race, may have enough left. Lombard is winnable; no doubt but....I think he likes Strade Bianchi, soon to be a Monument , better!
Lombardy will be very very hard for him.
LBL is his best chance! Lombardia will be much harder for him and if Pog is there again almost impossible (but he should try it anyway).
Let's see first how does he do LBL.. I believe he can win.
Never say never... because we never know who will be on the startlist each year... And since MVDP will at least continue for five more seasons, he does have a few more chances....
But to be honest I do not see how he can ever win lombardia... The climb of Madonna del Ghisallo for example has a length of 8.7km... Sorry but that is just to much for him..... To much if he wants to win at least.... In the only edition he did participate he finished at six and a half minute from the winner that day....
Give Mathieu a 1km climb or maybe even 2km.... But the moment it becomes longer than other riders will simply have the advantage of being lighter... I do not see him win LBL either tbh, although this could be possible if the race knows a weird scenario with MVDP being in the breakaway for example. Just like his father Adrie did in the past (1988). 😊✌
I now see why there was no coverage of e3 saxo this year 😂 result was a bitter pill 😂
I reckon Pogacar will race Paris Roubaix at least once in his career.
Yep. Why not. 👊🦋💪
Not until later in his career. The season he does, he’ll have to compromise and not do the Tour as he needs to gain 3-5 kg in weight
if he completes the Giro-Tour double this year, I am convinced he will go for Paris Roubaix next year
well he's only 25 years old, so he still has plenty of time. Don't forget he's 2, 4 and 5 years younger than Vingegaard, VDP and van Aert. Evenepoel is even 1,5 years younger than that. I think we're good for another 5-10 years of spectacular racing :)
Seeing pidcock holding on to a top 20 gives me hope that pog will try sooner than later
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Correction: that should say 10 mpg
Chris, when you described riding at your redline at the back - squinting, suffering, riding on the rivet and not being able to see - that reminds me of my Saturday group rides. I'm riding at the back and suffering like a pig. Luckily, I haven't flatted or crashed - but this is a real possibility as I rarely look up - as all I see is the back wheel in front of me - and all I'm thinking about is don't get dropped by that back wheel. It gives me some satisfaction that even the ProTour guys go into this state also.
You know what they say: It never gets easier but you go faster. I bet a pro suffers a lot more than an amateur because they teach their bodies to take more abuse for longer time.
This is just silly bro. He would have beat WVA. That guy isn’t competitive against MDVP. Honestly they’ve been racing all year and he dismantled him in cross and on the road. I will never get this.
Great show as always. But: In cyclocross, when he's going well, MVP is simply too strong for everyone else, including Wout, in all conditions. In the longest, toughest one-day races, at his best he's too much even for Tadej to handle. In the 2021 Paris Roubaix, when everything went wrong for him, he still bridged all the way to the front group and dropped Wout almost single-handedly, and still, improbably, only just lost to Sonny Colbrelli on the line. Wout was 7th. This year at Gent-Wevelgem he fell just short of Mads Pedersen on only two days rest after winning E3. As you say, when Wout crashes or flats and MVP doesn't, that isn't just a question of bad luck. IMO MVP, also a master tactician as you say, is well ahead of Wout overall.
If I'm not mistaken he won 11 of 12 Crosses this winter. He fell in the other and was 5th (??) something. In about 8 (or so) he met WvA and beat him like an old rug.... Watch him this summer at the Paris Olympix MOUNTAINBIKE! (no plank)
@@dutchreagan3676 I watched all or nearly all of those races. MVP was ridiculous. Completely dominant.
How can you say that MVP is well ahead of Wout? Can MVP win a time trial? Can MVP win going up Ventoux and can he win on the Champs-Élysées? The answer to all three are no. Wout did won all three in one TdF.
@@davidjones5547 Sorry, it's true Wout was amazing winning the TDF green jersey and taking stages like candy from a sleeping baby. But to me if you're not winning the grand tours that really isn't first page.
One note about CX - yes, Mathieu was incredibly dominant this year, but the year before, Wout was winning against him almost every time. Wout was not focusing on CX at all this year, only did a handful of races and purposely tried not to peak to do so for the classics.
Agree with the analysis still you can only beat whoever shows up. Didn't Pog regain his number 1 spot on your list after the huge solo win at Strade Bianche not facing any of the top 6?
I understand giving more emphasise for grand tours as the highest most complete test for road cycling but shouldn't MVP climb at least one spot over WVA? Just compare their palmares at the classic (for two predominantly classic riders).
Love your channel.
Yes, at this time he absolutely is…
Multiple Cyclocross season champ. Multiple World Cyclocross Champion. World road race Champion. Six time Monument champ. Multiple Grand Tour stage winner. Multiple single-day renowned race winner.
The guy is a beast.
I agree with you that Mads Pederson isn't on the same level as MVDP. However, in this particular race, we couldn't even see THAT matchup, let alone missing Wout, because Pederson's team simply wasn't there for him like VDP's was. Alpecin on Sunday looked like Jumbo in the Grand Tours last year in support of its three champions.
Which reminds me. I'm impressed with your consistent ability to say Visma-Lease A Bike. The guys at both Lanterne Rouge and Cycling Dane are STILL saying Jumbo at least once a video!
Give it up Chris. Wout is out of the top 5 now. MVDP is top 3 with Tadej and Vingo.
MVDP is winning all of these races because of favorable weather and good luck folks!
Chris still on his epo rush…… WvA is a great rider but will never win the same number of monuments…. If MvdP would focus one season on Giro/TDF/Spain and skip all the rest he would probably add 10 stages in the main grand tours….. One can only defeat the riders that participate and i’ve got news for you Chris…. MvdP has kicked WvA ass (yes your big boy) time and time again so doesn’t need to fear him in any race…… Otherwise comparing grand tour riders versus the one day classics is a personal thing… Pogy on nr. One i can understand but MvdP should be close to equal with Vinegard… all the others not even close……
Aside from the video, you're making a few big leaps.
WvA is in danger of taking over MvdP’s grandfather’s title as “The Eternal Second”. Sure he’s won a lot of big races (as did Poulidior) but his collection of silver medals and other second places (frequently behind MvdP, since they were kids) is mounting at an alarming rate. You may try to attribute some of that to luck, however, this year, for instance, WvA took himself out at both E3 and DDV. Great riders make their own luck (fortune is infatuated with the efficient). Roger De Vlaeminck rode his 11th Paris Roubaix before he had his first flat tire in that race. You can call it luck, but MvdP seems to have the same bike handling skills and ability to ride proper lines to avoid punctures and crashes. WvA, not so much. Last year at P-R, if I remember correctly, he crashed once and punctured twice. MvdP has been manhandling WvA at cyclocross for years now and that dominance has translated to the road. True, WvA is a better climber and he won a mountain stage at the Tour. Fantastic accomplishment, don’t get me wrong. But so has Eros Poli (on the Ventoux, no less), George Hincapie and a hundred others that you’ve never heard of. Winning a grand tour stage is often more a matter of strategy/peloton indifference than pure ability. Winning a monument through peloton indifference? No f-ing way.
Chris, I get it, obviously, you highly favor grand tour riders over classics specialists. However, to say that MvdP can only win flat or slightly hilly races is insulting. He wins the most difficult races of the year. And with the exception of the generational talent that is Pogachar (who, btw, he did beat at RVV in 2022, MSR in 2023 and Worlds in 2023), every grand tour rider would have their lunch money stolen by MvdP in any serious one day race. You’re comparing apples and pork belly tacos. But to rate him as 6th best? Please…..
MvdP is the best one day driver in the world. He crushes WvA every monument they compete in, and then also in the cross. Don't get me wrong, I love WvA and in the mountains in the past 3week tours WvA was increadible! You should make 2 lists: one for week/3weeks tours and one for the Classics/Monuments.
In the combination of those two, Tadej, Remco and WvA are top of the list, but on the Classics/Monuments list MvdP is number one at this point, with only Tadej as a reasonable competitor.
Chris you holding it against MVDP for his team not being knuckleheads 🤣
Nah man. At least higher than WvA. You can’t just go on potential. Won’t has had some bad luck but you still need to get results.
TdF plus everything else. Results done already, just saying 😜🦋💪
@@ChrisHornerCycling no way you put TdF stages over monuments and world champs with pogi and WvA in the race
Another way to look at it is how many UCI points do you get per TdF win. 120 x 9 = 1080 UCI points across WvA wins. 6 monuments x 800 = 4800 UCI points for MvdP. Plus world champs at 600.
@@bighammer3464 Yeah, the points system does need a bit of a rethink.
@@ChrisHornerCyclingresults done already Cavendish trumps wva.
Eddy Merckx was just lucky I wasn’t born yet when he won all those races.
Tadej AGREE. He brings it, absolutely lights up every race he's in.
But still tends to lose to MvdP more than he wins. Regardless, Tadej to my mind is the best cyclist of this age.
MVDP is absolutely peerless in one day races he has entered over the last year.
Look at the horrendous road worlds last year…even binned it and still triumphed.
Paris Roubaix just compounds his excellence.
This list is RIDICULOUS... but it certainly draws attention...😂😂
I would love to see Jonas doing some one-day races.
If he does, I think he might be too light to be able to compete, at least in the monuments. Just my 2 cents though.
@@ericvonhellens8822 He should definitely be able to win Lombardia, La Doyenne, Flèche, Donostia and Amstel
He's too fragile
@@buzzman4860kinda messed up given recent things.
@@mumblerapkilla5406he has been doing Lombard
He pedals, attacks, and wins in a manner that not one single rival can match. Ratings don't matter - matter results!
he has good genetics and he has his program sorted out.
Did you drink before this video?
Hey Chris, ZERO starts at Paris-Roubaix and then giving such critics? Common, a super domestique is not on the level of the best one day racer cycling has.
Fastest ever edition who is faster on cobbles then?. Completed the whole race at 29.7 mph!.
Tail wind. 💨 🦋🤪
No such thng as a tailwind to a cyclist: there's headwind, crosswind, or "going well". 🙂
Crazy talk
Crazy true 😜🦋👊
@@ChrisHornerCycling MVDP is in the midst of possibly becoming the greatest single day cobblestone classics rider ever. Time will tell. He looks to be improving still at 29, which is scary! If he ends his career with most RVV and Roubaix wins out of anyone, I think he earns this distinction. This is in addition to being the best cyclocross racer ever, which I think any honest person would agree at this point, as well as an insanely valuable lead-out man to Philipson. So yeah, that's why I would put him in the conversation of top 3 riders at the moment. But to put Roglic ahead of MVDP right now is crazy.
You are out of your miind with this video. Ridicioulus!@@ChrisHornerCycling
Tadej is hands down the most versatile rider there is. MDVP can’t climb cat 1 grand tours like WVA can. Throw a few cobbles in the ground and a few hundred meters and he’s fine but that’s why he didn’t bother signing with a grand tour team like WVA. He just wants to ride around on a Canyon for a billion dollars around France after destroying people in one day races. What I like about him is he seems to understand his own body and strength in a way no one else does right now. Mads, one of the best riders blows himself up all the time. MDVP - I have never seen truly blow. He gets beat sometimes, but he doesn’t blow (at least not in his prime form).
Love listening to your show and hearing your analyses, but I have to disagree with you here.
MVDP is significantly better than WVA. I think deep down inside Wout knows it as well.
Already last year Wout adapts his tactics to Mathieu, not vice versa. Says enough. He lost Roubaix in 2023 because he did not dare to go alone with Mathieu when the two had a gap. Even the Belgian reporters noted that. In E3 he was in MvdP wheel all the time. Until he lost it, panicked and fell.
The mean daily temperature for Roubaix in April is 15,0 C to be exact (1991-2020). So at the start of April that is about 13,5 C. 17 C was warm. For Bastogne the average daytime maximum is 12,1 C in April. The record high for Roubaix (all time ever in April) is 27,9 or 82,2 F. What are you harping on about?
when did wout win flanders and roubaix while wearing the rainbow?
I rarely disagree with you. But this is one of those rare occasions. MVP has been much stronger than WVA for about 2 years. And the best thing is, he's never afraid to attack. He always goes "all in". With a lot of courage to take risks. WVA, although one of the best bikers on earth, is calculating and doesn't risk much. I put my money on MVP
In one day races MvdP is in a league of his own. He did this with Van Aert, with Pogacar and so on. What is amazing may be is that he needs to change tactics to win these races without Tadej/Wout and he does. He always seems to have the right tactics at hand. When he loses he does so because the opponent was imply stronger. Can anyone pick out a race where MvdP made a tactical error because at least recently I can't.
i don't agree with you Van aert 1 monument, MVDP 6. CX world championship van Aert 3 , MVDP 6. it has better results. And this year he became really wise with better strategy.
In the end it's about winning and not about playing domestic. Don't be stubborn Cris👍🦋
Let’s discuss the weather when WVA won 😂
yea totally crazy bringing stuff up like this now as if he has no arguments anymore
Alpecin as a team is on fire.
I'm sorry but MVDP is definitely better than WVA (even aside from the injury) at the moment. Back in Aug, MVDP attacks WVA and Tadej and rides away from them to win the world championship. Then at Sanremo this year Tadej attacks and MVDP closes the gap and closes down every attack after that so that Jasper can win the sprint. I'm not saying he's better or on par with Tadej but he's definitely better than WVA at the moment.
Nobody reads cobbles as good as Mathieu; so when he is up front alone, he doesn't have to take a wrong path that leads him to punctures. That's why you cannot follow him once he is gone. Right now, the best one day racer, but the longer climbs in LBL are definitely more of a challenge for him. And with Tadej Pogacar around, it's going to be more of a real fight. looking forward to that.
Turns out Horner is the biggest knucklehead of them all.
😅
Well ask him where was he when that out of the competition drug testing was done 😂
Lmao 🤣 🤣 love Horner and his takes, but he went full knucklehead with this take. The only bigger knucklehead was the Visma lease rider going on the inside of the velodrome yesterday.
@Trek. Do your research better. uSADA personally and publicly apologized for Their mistake the next day, so it won’t take much work on your part to answer your own question. 😜🦋
Only if MVDP starts climbing something bigger then a bump in the road. 😂🦋👊
Cobbles are great for riding solo because you can pick your own best line and ride at a sustainable pace without surges in power from trying to ride with the group
MVDP is obviously a better one day racer. Wout is more versatile.
Love your take Chris, but here i disagree.
Palmarès of MvDP speaks for himself. He wins BIG and against the best, on many terrain besides big mountain.
This is clearly not enough to be the best rider in the world but that puts him above WVA for sure. I also believe we will remember MVDP longer than Roglic or even Vingegaard or Remco because nobody cares about 1 week races wins and MVDP won so many monument including world championship. He dominates, he beat wout, he beats Alaf (when on top) he beats Pogi (MSR).
At the end of the days the only best rider in the world is Pogi and nobof’dy competes in this category beside him. He is alone for the title.
Before it used to be Hinault (yes nobody in between) because to be the best rider in the world you need to win big all terrains, all year long.
my 2 cents!
Unrelated, but keep an eye out for Skjelmose and Skujins in Amstel Gold.
You only follow them because they have unpronouncable names! 🙂
I hope they do well!
@@stevemawer848 They will mix this race up even more than the letters in their names, trust me. HA!
MVDP is better than WVA. Head to head in important races, MVDP almost always wins. Wout's climbing prowess is exaggerated -- Ventoux was impressive, but no GC guys were involved. MVDP gets to the line (finish and start) because he rarely crashes (MTB notwithstanding!) and rarely punctures. I don't think luck explains that -- bike handling and focus do, and those are important attributes of a "best bike racer".
What a lot of people miss about tailwinds is if the tail wind is going at 10 miles an hour and you're doing 20 miles an hour, you are pushing against at least a 5 to 10 mph headwind.
Which is to be compared to 25-30 mph if it was a headwind of same velocity. So insane watt saving
Yes but in most cases the wind is less so you cannot compare his time to others. It was a very windy day and that helped with that 47,8 km/h average.
Who was there in your top 6 when Pogi did the 80 km solo at the Strade Bianche …. No one . Mathieu won the world chanpionship when they were almost all there . He is the #1.
What about MVDP s world championship win , the others were there , what's your take on that ?
Chris, I love the way you describe what it's really like for guys in the peleton, what they have to deal with compared to those up front (cross winds, road furniture, etc.). It gives great insight into the dynamics of bike racing, which deepens our understanding and appreciation of the sport. Keep on!
Lol. Winning Flanders and Roubaix in the rainbow jersey in the same year is not a "Number 6" achievement. MvdP is at Pogacar level this year.
I normally agree with your analysis, but on this you’re utterly wrong. You’re using so many, unreasonably, conditionals. No way either Evenepoel or Van Aert would have beaten him, Van Aert rarely gets the better of Van de Poel. Pogacar would also have struggled to stay with him, so the argument that none of these were there is irrelevant. You’re not giving MVP the respect he deserves. You’re blinded by WVA, who doesn’t seem to know how to win classics. As someone said, MVP is 6 to 1 in monuments over “the big guy” stats say it all. Vingegaard only wins one type of race, a stage race, so by your logic he shouldn’t be in the top 5 because he can’t go head to head with classics riders. I think you’re trolling us with this analysis
MVDP couldn't care less. In my eyes in some kind of races MVDP is number one.
It's the paradox of MVDP in that one on one against any of the rest, outside of the high mountains, he will find a way to win 9 times out of 10. But equally, he is a solid no. 6 on the list.
WVA had the greatest TDF green jersey run 2 years ago, but MVP has taken everything else… WVA got lost support Jonas the last year, MVP is focused on one days. WVA to 6Th
Pfft, mvdp tarred wout all winter in cyclocross
When they finish their career, 1 will be remembered for his monuments and the othe for being a great domestic 😅
the ranking is
Pogacar
Vingegard
MVDP
WVA, Roglic, Evenepoel the order you like
MVDP
Pogacar
Vingegaard
Evenepoel
WVA
My top 5.
Hmmm,
I am just going to say that I won't rank the guys.
They are all Super Elite cyclist and I am happy that I get to watch them.
Following this logic, if Wout were to retire tomorrow, and MVDP racked up let’s say four more monuments… Wout would still be higher. Cause MVDP didn’t beat him. Cause the weather was nice.
I mean, even now… 1 monument vs 6. Beat Wout in several of them (MSR, RVV, Roubaix). Beat Wout in Worlds. I mean… Wout has a green jersey, sure. Won a few TdF stages. Helped Jonas crack Pogi… and that’s enough to leapfrog 5 more monuments and a Worlds?
Not to mention CX where MVDP crushes Wout in a non-team discipline 1v1.
Even Wout would not agree to how highly you rate his TdF performances 😂
Fantastic Cillian. Great video.
Gotta weigh the past years results a bit heavier than results from 2-3 years ago. MVDP is on fire right now, and has been for over a year. We will see how the rest of the year shapes out for everyone. I would love to see MVDP target a big TT race, these last two long solos clearly show he can generate some power and pace himself!
1, Pog
2, MvdP
3, Vingegaard
4, Rogla
5, Remco
6, WvA
I think the above ranking comes out of a clearheaded analysis of each riders palmares.
I can’t knock WvA’s talent, he has/had amazing potential. That being said, his results do not reflect that and he hasn’t realised it on the road.
The list is fluid. Guys could change places this year but right now, I’m seeing that as the ‘correct’ order.
At MINIMUM MVDP is number three in the world. Excluding grand tours he is my number one pick
Chris i love your show but your bias against mvdp is disturbing...rankings are dynamic not static ...if mvdp cant jump above a rider whose last meaningful victory was tour of Britain last yesr and is currently broken in bed and who has lost to mvdp 80 percent of the time well well there is no hope 😢 ..you do not get to keep rankings based on victories months ago😂 😅😅😅..
Love your analysis Chris! Although, I wouldn't compare Vingo or Rogla with MVDP because they are Grand Tour riders whereas MVDP is a one-day rider. As for WVA, he is a unique type of rider who can perform in one-day races as well as week long races or Grand Tours. Pogi is also a one-of-a-kind of rider, but more successful than WVA, who seems to have developped a MVDP syndrome (but it's just my perception).
This Year MVDP has shown he can leadout for sprinters & wins multiple monuments. What has WVA done this year?
did you watch TDF last year? That's what....
@@motominded5275 I said This Year…
WVA has been doing that for years already. And then some …… 😜🦋👊
Philipsen is not even on your second page? Going to need you to explain that one for me.
For me, I’d say MVDP can’t move up over the other five riders because of lack of TT. All the other five shown excellent fine form in TTs whereas MVDP doesn’t even have a TT palmares to begin with.
Because MvdP doesn’t have interest in TT. He does what he loves and he rules. He’s the world champion of cycling couldn’t have a better one.
Those TT winners are just lucky mvdp doesn’t care or didn’t compete.
CH logic when mvdp wins
@@fwblok836 indeed.
But also no one else can ride sand, mud, or grass like MVP
wva only has one monument win. mvdp did the double in rainbow stripes and absolutely annihilated everybody. and he spend like 100k on the attack while winning flanders+roubaix, his team was great but its not like they towed him to the line.
How you ken put wou van art before MVDP.
LOOK WAT HIM WINS AGAINS VAN ART.
LOOK HISTORY RACES HET TO HET.
IS ONLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOUR PREFERENCES FOR SURE.
You can’t compare different type of riders. He isn’t going to win the tour. But, he’s unstoppable in one day classics and cyclocross