I ran a single zvx d1 15 on a deaf bonce aak7500.1 at .5 and beat the shit out of it for almost two yrs below 25hz mostly played 18hz to 25hz before i upgraded to two zv5 15s i still have the zvx it still plays fine they are way under rated subs
How would you compare it to that zv5 that you just mentioned? I heard some people say that they can almost take the same amount of power. What are your thoughts between the two when comparing them together? Your input will be gladly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
@@Obslstahoeon26z I got a ddx 15 on deaf bonce 2900.1 prefab tuned 34 hz wired at 2 ohm 2k watts so far so good but as bass addict I want more reason why I was looking up videos before I buy a zvx
Thank you sooo much for speaking on SQ! I am running an Infinite Baffle SDR18 and love the Sound Quality. I want to try something a bit more high end. Do yall have any recommendations?
@@BDauto86 this is true. I've reconed a lot of Skar subs over the years. The vxf is way better then a zvx and the ddx is a good daily all around subwoofer.
The regular smart 3k does more power it's really a 5k amp dialed back and the way the smart bass is built the amps are made with no headroom voltage is just a tad under full rail voltage Wich is not good I've clamped over 4500 on burps with regular smart 3k
The zvx is an OK driver.. but the vxf is way better. The zvx is not efficient at all, as is has a big coil gap and to much suspension... and that's why it can take more power. Cool video though 👍
That’s cause it’s basically an upgraded evl.. they are built like that for a reason.. they can get loud wo the extra power.. power is the most expensive part.. I’d rather have something a little more efficient and looser that can run on less power. Then I can run more of them cause I don’t have to spend that extra money on more power to them. It’s a trade off between tight gap or big gap.. neither is better then the other long as the rest of the piston is designed properly around that.. loser bigger diameter spider, lighter cone for example.. Spend some time messing around with 8’s and figure out why some are soo much better then others and you’ll have a way better understanding of what makes for a loud speaker.. And let’s be honest.. there isn’t a sub out there that realistically needs more than 1k watts to function. Impedance rise and all your 12k is only putting out 5.. your 3k only about 1k. If we were talking home audio or concerts then power can mater.. the issue is limited space, even more limited when you consider box design around impedance rise depending how you port it and spacing from loading walls.. Your the very reason we have companies providing inefficient drivers that need huge boxes and tons of power to achieve the same output we used to get 10-15 years ago on 1/10 the power and 120oz mags.. Got a lot to learn.. I hit 157’d in an extended cab Tacoma early 2k on 1k and 4 jl w3 15’s sealed box sealed cab off the dash.. in a daily and could do it off music and factory electrical.. back when we used to have 90% of the market making 90+ db sens subs that only needed 350rms and dvc was a rare item.. didn’t have no 30-40 xmax subs either cause on 400w you’d couldn’t get a 120oz magnet to push through the air compression enough to even have xmax matter that much.. See the issue is tight gap is needed to run more power which is only needed to drive a larger motor which is only needed cause the linear compression upon excursion against compression of air and its resistance back on the cone.. the only reason you need a dvc is to handle more power to power the motor etc.. And all these companies selling all of you these massive subs that take massive paper.. do so cause they also sell your the amps and the wiring and the batteries and caps.. they sell you one product and make you have to buy Al the more expensive products to actually make it work 😂😂 I can take a single $200 12 throw it in a half decent prefab at 35-37 put it in any vehicle made that is normal suv size or smaller and get 140+ out of it with a quality name brand old school type 800-1000rms amp any day.. more then enough for any daily driver.. maybe not a 4 door pickup tbh cause getting a proper box in one with seats and all is impossible.. but i can throw in two mid level 8’s and still do it.. Shit my wife drives the kids around in a traverse with 2 8” skar vd of All things off 600 and is 137 in a car 1.6 net box tuned to 35 that is down fire takes up only 7.5” of her cargo behind the rear seats as a false floor design and can still hall the kids to football practice and throw groceries on top the box.. $65 entry shallow 8”s and a quality high efficiency 800w amp running at 2ohms not 1 or I could fully power them.. but if I did I’d have to upgrade her electrics for more money then everything I put into it so far..
@@fishrrelaxing9361 First off, I have been building drivers/loudspeakers of all types, mainly woofers, and subwoofers since the early 90's with several manufacturers, so i don't think I need you to tell me, I have a lot to learn. Second, it's not anything like an evl.. period. Not an upgraded version at all. The guys over at China Future Sound (that builds ALL of Kevin's subwoofers) go off of older designs of their drivers, and that's why Kevin has not updated his lineup, nor made any revisions except for on one driver. Skar subwoofers are parts bin drivers.. plain and simple. I know the company/build house very well. Also you said a lot of nothing, for no reason Iol. Tight gap subs.. DO NOT need more power, I have no idea where you got that they need more power.. it's the other way around. Also, higher sensitivity is based on a more compliant suspension overall(softer spiders, softer surround.. cone material and weight) and a coil that fits the gap better, with less distance from the top plate(which is your positive, t- yoke being your negative). Larger gaps and coils that don't fit well, along with an overly stiffer suspension equates into an inefficient driver, but one that will need more power to get the soft parts moving. BL is a combination of (B) which is the flux density in the gap, and (L) which is the LE, or length of wire in the gap... so yes, a coil with greater windings increases the BL, because (B) never changes, while L will change and alter the overall BL. Also, the weight of the motor, has very little to do with performance. Surface area of a motor, is where it gets its overall strength.. not the weight or amount of slugs. The surface area of the ferrite, and the greater saturation of the steel is what matters. Ferrite is stacked, to increase xmech limits(increase the excursion capabilities only not to increase motor force/ strength). That's why the EVL is a piss poor driver, as is the ZVX... overly dampened, large gaps and weaker motor structures.. which is why many of these drivers fail, they reach and exceed their curie points, being so inefficient and needing more power to get increased output. that's as easy as it gets. There aren't many companies that care much about higher sensitivity drivers anymore, just a handful. I used to do oem work for Loyd at MiTek, which is better know for MTX, Xtant and many other brands they produce(which I think his son runs the company, after his recent passing).I did oem for Rochford, got to with with some greats like Dan Wiggins of Adire, old Bob Carver and Thilo Stompler just to name a few. While you made a good point about higher sensitivity drivers needing less power to react to the ac current/signal feeding them... the rest was just a bunch of unrelated rambling. And btw...I work with many 8" drivers. And still do recones and custom work, on the side. But thanks again for the small book. 👍
@@fishrrelaxing9361 also, dvc subs and woofers weren't rare, as JL, MTX, Kicker Orion and others had them back in the 90's. And dvc subs do not handle more power than a single voice coil driver...dvc's are for wiring options only.
I'm STILL on the fence about either the VXF'S or the ZVX's. I already have a Taramps 3K MD@2ohm considered going 5k. But only thing stopping me all of the extra $$ for sound deadening material. Then we're talking about a second amp for mids&highs and lastly the batteries (Front and Auxiliary). JS Power alternator 370 amp 😮💨 batteries would be AGM and lithium XS POWER Titan
@@Mich_J801 sound quality is purely subjective, and the vxf is better all around. It's of much better design, with a higher bl, much more efficient and so forth. Plus, I'm fully aware on how to design and assemble an enclosure.
If you really think about it. 1,500 RMS is not all that impressive. Now run a sundown x-15 v3 side by side. Just saying it takes 2 of them zvx-15's to do what one x-15 v3 can do.
Trust me, they skar subs are underrated. They are almost just as good as the sundown x subs, but for a cheaper price. The sundown x are just geared to be a little lower and frequency response. But the skar zvx subs, would probably hold more wattage than the sundown x pro series sub. The sundown x sub shouldn't cost almost double than the skar vxf/zvx subs. The sundown x sub should only be costing about a 100 bucks more at best.
Yeah no. I have skar woofers. They can't take much more over RMS rating. Tho my Rockville svc 4 ohm 300 watt RMS 10's has been taking over 900 watt RMS for about 3 years now. I have yet to have a skar woofer take more then there RMS rating. I have SDR 10's had a DDX 10 but it blow up. Have EVL 10's an zvx-8's. The DDX blow up on 1,100 watt RMS. It's rated for 1,000 RMS. The EVL'S are 1,000 RMS rating. I tried to give them 1,100 RMS but started smoking. The SDR'S are 600 RMS same thing won't take more than RMS. Same with the zvx-8's they are 900 RMS. I'm putting true clean power to them. Other brands woofers take more than there RMS rating all day long. I now have a x-10 v3. That will take much much more than its 2,000 RMS all day long. Skar is for people that want bang for cheap.
@@happys104092243 ... that's bull. One of my friends from the neighborhood has 4 dual 1 ohm, skar zvx15s, that's running on 2 taramps md12000.1( the 1ohm version). He has 1 amp per pair (24,000rms), wired to 1 ohm, per amp, per pair. He as a big lithium battery bank in all, and I'm telling you, it's the loudest vehicle around are neck of the woods. The pressure inside of his truck is crazy. It's literally nerve wrecking. I'm a bass head myself, and I told him that it's too much. It's at a level that I don't even want to reach. It's even tearing up the sheet metal outside his truck. The roof is starting to split in two places on the roof of his truck. Skar zvx 15s and 12s are the truth! He has all this in a older model Ford explorer.
I ran a single zvx d1 15 on a deaf bonce aak7500.1 at .5 and beat the shit out of it for almost two yrs below 25hz mostly played 18hz to 25hz before i upgraded to two zv5 15s i still have the zvx it still plays fine they are way under rated subs
Yep they are great SPL subs for the price for sure.
How would you compare it to that zv5 that you just mentioned? I heard some people say that they can almost take the same amount of power. What are your thoughts between the two when comparing them together? Your input will be gladly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
I could've been happy with multiple zvx 15s honestly for the cost I could have 4 or 5 zvxs and I would be louder
@@johndough4338 don't listen to the fools online they are the same they sound the same they take the same power
@@Obslstahoeon26z I got a ddx 15 on deaf bonce 2900.1 prefab tuned 34 hz wired at 2 ohm 2k watts so far so good but as bass addict I want more reason why I was looking up videos before I buy a zvx
Now this company needs to start updating some products
Did anybody else catch it,,, I think on paper xvf look like a better sub I'm looking forward to seeing what you think
The vxf line is the best subwoofer they have... hands down
Thank you sooo much for speaking on SQ! I am running an Infinite Baffle SDR18 and love the Sound Quality. I want to try something a bit more high end. Do yall have any recommendations?
What size are you looking for? Do you like soft smooth bass or tight and snappy or in the middle?
18 inches. I have and love my Skar SRD18 and want something that sounds similar but has more excursion. A SQ balanced sound. @@HiFiVector
American bass HD takes the title of best SPL budget subs IMO
How do these compare to sundowns?
just price that's all but it's cheap for a reason
I would like to try the vxf
Not sure what to get zvx or vxf
If you listen to rock or anything musical go vxf. If you listen to only rap, hip hop electronic etc both are great.
@@HiFiVector I like heavy bass so zvx will have to do
Dang, I can't lie... I was expecting those D4S boxes to look much better.🤷♂️
Can a stock alternator handle dual Z VX 15"
I don't want my head lights or undeglow to dim.
What alternator you recommend thats a 400 AMP?
Most likely not but that all depends on what amplifier you’re running. I have an Auto Tech engineering alternator. Check them out.
Just buy glowe voltage. I run 8k Banda on a flower voltage series 2 and a stock 160A alt
@girthquake9655 the alternator would be a better choice much cheaper 250 amps at 359 or 320 amps for 375.
Nice subs,great review.
Just can't sacrifice my Q for a P
Much appreciated 👍🤞
I'm with you there 100%.
Accuracy, transition and cleanliness 🙃
not trying to be picky but those subs require a lot more air space. they need about 4ft ea so that box being 6ft is lacking a lot
Keep it coming
Have you tested black diamond dia t15s? I was wondering your opinion on those. I have 4 15s on a bass 5k and they seem to be pretty good imo.
No I haven’t tried those subs yet.
I love the vxf over these better vxf better sub in every way .
Why do you say this friend? Do you think that the zvx can be louder?
ur crazy. zvx will always be louder than any vxf now if u talking about sound quality that's another thing
@@Mich_J801 if you check the world records for scar subs vxf has the record of being the loudest scar sub go look it up
What amp do you recommend for a 15 inch VXF D2?
Smart 3 bass works great on a vxf 15”. They can take a 3k no problem.
Is the taramps smart 3k stronger than just a taramps 3k
I got the VXF 15 D2 and that thing hits!!!! I just need a bigger amp
The VXF is their best subwoofer in the whole lineup.
@@Chuck_Sandersalot of guys say if your goin Skar ddx or vxf is their best options.
@@Chuck_Sanders Absolutely their best sub, I ran both the vxfs and zvx before I went to custom zv5 15's and the VXF sounds alot better than the ZVX
@@BDauto86 this is true. I've reconed a lot of Skar subs over the years. The vxf is way better then a zvx and the ddx is a good daily all around subwoofer.
@@rashad5286 yessir
Did it sound better with the 2 subs with 3k or one sub with 3k?
Sounded good both ways but two were about 2db louder. On same 3k.
Are you going to post the video with just one sub on the same amp?
The regular smart 3k does more power it's really a 5k amp dialed back and the way the smart bass is built the amps are made with no headroom voltage is just a tad under full rail voltage Wich is not good I've clamped over 4500 on burps with regular smart 3k
what is the efficiency at 5k? this is important
Bangers
Nice
The zvx is an OK driver.. but the vxf is way better. The zvx is not efficient at all, as is has a big coil gap and to much suspension... and that's why it can take more power. Cool video though 👍
That’s cause it’s basically an upgraded evl.. they are built like that for a reason.. they can get loud wo the extra power.. power is the most expensive part.. I’d rather have something a little more efficient and looser that can run on less power. Then I can run more of them cause I don’t have to spend that extra money on more power to them.
It’s a trade off between tight gap or big gap.. neither is better then the other long as the rest of the piston is designed properly around that.. loser bigger diameter spider, lighter cone for example..
Spend some time messing around with 8’s and figure out why some are soo much better then others and you’ll have a way better understanding of what makes for a loud speaker..
And let’s be honest.. there isn’t a sub out there that realistically needs more than 1k watts to function. Impedance rise and all your 12k is only putting out 5.. your 3k only about 1k.
If we were talking home audio or concerts then power can mater.. the issue is limited space, even more limited when you consider box design around impedance rise depending how you port it and spacing from loading walls..
Your the very reason we have companies providing inefficient drivers that need huge boxes and tons of power to achieve the same output we used to get 10-15 years ago on 1/10 the power and 120oz mags..
Got a lot to learn..
I hit 157’d in an extended cab Tacoma early 2k on 1k and 4 jl w3 15’s sealed box sealed cab off the dash.. in a daily and could do it off music and factory electrical.. back when we used to have 90% of the market making 90+ db sens subs that only needed 350rms and dvc was a rare item.. didn’t have no 30-40 xmax subs either cause on 400w you’d couldn’t get a 120oz magnet to push through the air compression enough to even have xmax matter that much..
See the issue is tight gap is needed to run more power which is only needed to drive a larger motor which is only needed cause the linear compression upon excursion against compression of air and its resistance back on the cone.. the only reason you need a dvc is to handle more power to power the motor etc..
And all these companies selling all of you these massive subs that take massive paper.. do so cause they also sell your the amps and the wiring and the batteries and caps.. they sell you one product and make you have to buy Al the more expensive products to actually make it work 😂😂
I can take a single $200 12 throw it in a half decent prefab at 35-37 put it in any vehicle made that is normal suv size or smaller and get 140+ out of it with a quality name brand old school type 800-1000rms amp any day.. more then enough for any daily driver.. maybe not a 4 door pickup tbh cause getting a proper box in one with seats and all is impossible.. but i can throw in two mid level 8’s and still do it..
Shit my wife drives the kids around in a traverse with 2 8” skar vd of All things off 600 and is 137 in a car 1.6 net box tuned to 35 that is down fire takes up only 7.5” of her cargo behind the rear seats as a false floor design and can still hall the kids to football practice and throw groceries on top the box.. $65 entry shallow 8”s and a quality high efficiency 800w amp running at 2ohms not 1 or I could fully power them.. but if I did I’d have to upgrade her electrics for more money then everything I put into it so far..
@@fishrrelaxing9361 First off, I have been building drivers/loudspeakers of all types, mainly woofers, and subwoofers since the early 90's with several manufacturers, so i don't think I need you to tell me, I have a lot to learn. Second, it's not anything like an evl.. period. Not an upgraded version at all. The guys over at China Future Sound (that builds ALL of Kevin's subwoofers) go off of older designs of their drivers, and that's why Kevin has not updated his lineup, nor made any revisions except for on one driver. Skar subwoofers are parts bin drivers.. plain and simple. I know the company/build house very well. Also you said a lot of nothing, for no reason Iol. Tight gap subs.. DO NOT need more power, I have no idea where you got that they need more power.. it's the other way around. Also, higher sensitivity is based on a more compliant suspension overall(softer spiders, softer surround.. cone material and weight) and a coil that fits the gap better, with less distance from the top plate(which is your positive, t- yoke being your negative). Larger gaps and coils that don't fit well, along with an overly stiffer suspension equates into an inefficient driver, but one that will need more power to get the soft parts moving. BL is a combination of (B) which is the flux density in the gap, and (L) which is the LE, or length of wire in the gap... so yes, a coil with greater windings increases the BL, because (B) never changes, while L will change and alter the overall BL. Also, the weight of the motor, has very little to do with performance. Surface area of a motor, is where it gets its overall strength.. not the weight or amount of slugs. The surface area of the ferrite, and the greater saturation of the steel is what matters. Ferrite is stacked, to increase xmech limits(increase the excursion capabilities only not to increase motor force/ strength). That's why the EVL is a piss poor driver, as is the ZVX... overly dampened, large gaps and weaker motor structures.. which is why many of these drivers fail, they reach and exceed their curie points, being so inefficient and needing more power to get increased output. that's as easy as it gets. There aren't many companies that care much about higher sensitivity drivers anymore, just a handful. I used to do oem work for Loyd at MiTek, which is better know for MTX, Xtant and many other brands they produce(which I think his son runs the company, after his recent passing).I did oem for Rochford, got to with with some greats like Dan Wiggins of Adire, old Bob Carver and Thilo Stompler just to name a few. While you made a good point about higher sensitivity drivers needing less power to react to the ac current/signal feeding them... the rest was just a bunch of unrelated rambling. And btw...I work with many 8" drivers. And still do recones and custom work, on the side. But thanks again for the small book. 👍
@@fishrrelaxing9361 also, dvc subs and woofers weren't rare, as JL, MTX, Kicker Orion and others had them back in the 90's. And dvc subs do not handle more power than a single voice coil driver...dvc's are for wiring options only.
@@Chuck_Sanders these fools dont know who the Great Bob Carver is...
Thats hilarious!! The white rag looks like a little ghost flitting around with those weird ghostly bass tones. HAHAHA!!!
Dang the hifonics subs were just as loud might as well just stick with the hifonics subs lol
On a 3k yes but these do move more air and will take more power though. And with more power they will get louder.
They're hitting so low that my speaker on my phone isn't responding to most of the test.
I'm STILL on the fence about either the VXF'S or the ZVX's. I already have a Taramps 3K MD@2ohm considered going 5k. But only thing stopping me all of the extra $$ for sound deadening material. Then we're talking about a second amp for mids&highs and lastly the batteries (Front and Auxiliary). JS Power alternator 370 amp 😮💨 batteries would be AGM and lithium XS POWER Titan
This is why i love 6th orders because my 1 15" xmaxx did 142db at 19hz thats wayyyyy more then these 2 15's just did by like 9 or 10 db thats crazy
Sorry vxf don't want to ruffle any skar Fanboy feathers I'ma DC Audio fanboy but I've been looking at other brands. price for what you get
The vxf is way better than the zvx.
@@Chuck_Sanders only in sound quality unless you dont know how to make a box for your zvx
@@Mich_J801 sound quality is purely subjective, and the vxf is better all around. It's of much better design, with a higher bl, much more efficient and so forth. Plus, I'm fully aware on how to design and assemble an enclosure.
@@Chuck_Sanders i had both only sound quality the zvx is everything more
@@Mich_J801 👍 OK
Vxf is a better sub. Same power handling but better sq and lower frequency response
USA voicecoil made by PEs partners in china is my guess.
This sort of thing happens a ton so this wasnt meant to bash skar, skar is just fine imho
Zvx is a monster but I prefer a vxf they hold the spl record for skar subs bux the vxf sounds so so much better vxf is a SQL sub for sure.
👍👍👍...
I know skars website it says best for spl but they copied the sundown x and the sundown x is musical 😂😂😂
👍👀👍
If you really think about it. 1,500 RMS is not all that impressive. Now run a sundown x-15 v3 side by side. Just saying it takes 2 of them zvx-15's to do what one x-15 v3 can do.
Trust me, they skar subs are underrated. They are almost just as good as the sundown x subs, but for a cheaper price. The sundown x are just geared to be a little lower and frequency response. But the skar zvx subs, would probably hold more wattage than the sundown x pro series sub. The sundown x sub shouldn't cost almost double than the skar vxf/zvx subs. The sundown x sub should only be costing about a 100 bucks more at best.
Yea skar subs can take a lot more than what they are rated at. I have run the 15” vxf and zvx on 3k no problem.
@@HiFiVector ... which one ( 15 vxf or zvx 15) do you personally like the most friend? And why? Your input would be greatly appreciated
Yeah no. I have skar woofers. They can't take much more over RMS rating. Tho my Rockville svc 4 ohm 300 watt RMS 10's has been taking over 900 watt RMS for about 3 years now. I have yet to have a skar woofer take more then there RMS rating. I have SDR 10's had a DDX 10 but it blow up. Have EVL 10's an zvx-8's. The DDX blow up on 1,100 watt RMS. It's rated for 1,000 RMS. The EVL'S are 1,000 RMS rating. I tried to give them 1,100 RMS but started smoking. The SDR'S are 600 RMS same thing won't take more than RMS. Same with the zvx-8's they are 900 RMS. I'm putting true clean power to them. Other brands woofers take more than there RMS rating all day long. I now have a x-10 v3. That will take much much more than its 2,000 RMS all day long. Skar is for people that want bang for cheap.
@@happys104092243 ... that's bull. One of my friends from the neighborhood has 4 dual 1 ohm, skar zvx15s, that's running on 2 taramps md12000.1( the 1ohm version). He has 1 amp per pair (24,000rms), wired to 1 ohm, per amp, per pair. He as a big lithium battery bank in all, and I'm telling you, it's the loudest vehicle around are neck of the woods. The pressure inside of his truck is crazy. It's literally nerve wrecking. I'm a bass head myself, and I told him that it's too much. It's at a level that I don't even want to reach. It's even tearing up the sheet metal outside his truck. The roof is starting to split in two places on the roof of his truck. Skar zvx 15s and 12s are the truth! He has all this in a older model Ford explorer.
I thought everyone loved them just sundown guys like to grow long beards vape and pit tons of big ugly tats all over themself
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