Thank you Brother Henk, Brother Jonathan, and Sister Joyce for following the truth of God regarding the 2015 official statement regarding vaccinations. He has guided you to this point. Every step you have taken have purpose and meaning. You have now given us the opportunity to do what church members can do as they become educated and come under conviction to reject the AD COM statement. Courage in Christ, Mrs. Cathy Law
We need to pray in earnest that God makes a “supernatural” appearance at this upcoming GC session. These men in open rebellion and blatant apostasy must be exposed and God take control of the helm, to show, as He did at Sinai that He is in control🙏🏽
READ DILIGENTLY & STUDY & COMPARE or CROSS-EXAMINE SCIPTURE in JOEL 1:1-20 to JOEL 2:1 with the REST of SCRIPTURE. IT IS GOD's VOICE & SHARES the 'PROBLEM' & GOD'S ANSWER for the problem & HE tells GOD'S PEOPLE, 'WHAT' to DO & 'WHY' & 'HOW' GOD, himself intends to 'RESOLVE' the ISSUE. JOEL 1:6,7 "A LION (NATION) has COME DOWN UPON MY LAND" JOEL 1 ...TELLS US, WE have a PART TO PLAY, in ORDER to CO-WORK with HIM and to RESOLVE the PROBLEM. PRAISE, THANKS, HALLELUJAH, AMEN. LOVED the "PEARL" & "WIDOW" analogy comparison it's so TRUE. LOVE WHAT you're ALL TRYING to DO in the LORD & FOR OUR CHURCH, GOD'S PEOPLE May GOD BLESS your EFFORTS. AMEN 🙏🙏🙏
I am so sad to see how we treat each other within our own church. I feel bad for the people that have not been heard throughout this whole issue. All the censoring and canceling is just so surprising within the church. Thank you all for working so hard on this. May God bless your efforts and may God show me how I can be helpful.
GC hasn’t promoted the vaccine? Didn’t Adventist World feature a photo/article showing that the church headquarters were used as a place where the public could come to receive their shots? Is this not promoting in some way?
Diop is a fulfillment of GC The aims of the papacy, a sympathizer of Rome, saying Catholic has changed, and its not so bad anymore, He should read it to see what part he is playing
Glad for this platform, this is harming the pure principles of the biblical SDA world view and message. If my local church is not willing to a meeting regarding this issue how does an individual member have her voice heard and counted? The ADCOMM statement has to be removed before more mandates are issued. Please do keep this issue active.
Jonathan was emphasizing the strength and autonomy of the local church(es) which is good and true but we have recently seen the GC and the Union leadership squashing the membership and laity of the local church congregation of Pioneer Memorial Church in regard to the removal of their beloved church pastor Kelly and elder Vine who are being despitefully used and mistreated without justification. GC ADCOM and leadership will not stop at anything it seems.
Thank you very much for this platform aiming to get inputs on 2025 gc. To me Ted Wilson and his team should resign as they have really divided the church.
If only Christ was omnipotent, then He could lead His church and take care of such things.... and we could focus on our great commission, and moulding our characters for perfection.
1048. The endless variety of medicines in the market, the numerous advertisements of new drugs and mixtures, all of which claim to do wonderful cures, kill hundreds where they benefit one.... Yet people keep dosing, and continue to grow weaker until they die. Some will have medicine at all events. Then let them take these hurtful mixtures and the various deadly poisons upon their own responsibility. God's servants should not administer medicines which they know will leave behind injurious effects upon the system, even if they do relieve present suffering. Every poisonous preparation in the vegetable and mineral kingdoms, taken into the system, will leave its wretched influence, affecting the liver and lungs, and deranging the system generally.-Spiritual Gifts Volume 4a, 140. . HL 245.1
Hi, this particular ExCom has asked for this not to be revealed until November when they have had their union meeting. sit tight November is around the corner.
@@medmissionaryteam 59 statements??? And some of them have nothing to do with 28 fundamentals. THESE SHOULD BE ALL STRUCK DOWN AS WE HAVE NO BUSINESS IN CIVIL GOVERNMENTS’ AGENDA!!!
True science is in harmony with the creator, God (Jesus). True education leads to obedience to His work. Science brings new wonders to our view. She leaps high and explores new depths, but she brings back nothing from her research that is in conflict with devine revelation. Ignorance may seek to support false view of science but the book of nature and the written word shed light upon each other (Ellen White). Sir, I wish you all the best but the GC has made up its mind. The only accomplishment here is you are exposing them. However, I am not telling you to discontinue your effort. I am done with the GC. The delegates approximately 1500 majority voted against women's ordination and the GC (Ted Wilson) rescinded it. The covid vaccine was proven to be insignificant in therapy and potentially dangerous in Australia. That country decided to discontinue its use while it was being administered in the USA. The GC knew about this and decided to let their members, by mandate, take the vaccine. It should be a freedom of choice defended by the GC.
Isn't the Pope promoting the "Earth" Sabbath (Sunday) as healthy and for the safety of the people? The "Earth" Sabbath (Sunday) is scientifically proven? The wording is very close and suspect! 😢
Let us be Christians even when we are hurt. I know folks lost jobs and a lot over the vaccination issue. Sorry for that. If we have a problem with ADCOM 2015 Immunization statement we should remember this that if we had no such a policy in the first place we would not have still the letters of exemption from the church. And actually forcing the church to give us those letters will be setting up a dangerous precedent. Letters should only be made on things we have a statement on and things we have a clear statement on. Vaccination is not one. A conscience of an individual should not be stamped as the stand of the church. Imagine if I get a religious exemption letter for not wearing the seatbelt. That does not sound right. We have no statement or a belief on that issue to warrant a letter of exemption. And it would have been the same thing if we had no policy on immunization. It's all the same for seatbelts and vaccines brethren and Medmissionary. The church should not stamp our consciences. Please leave the church out of this. Do not break the church of God which for many years has been okay. Vaccines did not come in 2020. Schools in US mandated children to get some vaccines before joining school. Other parts of the world check that thing too. This cannot be a test in 2024 of who is faithful and who is not a faithful Adventist. Many with a view like your had a life and a place in this church without a letter of exemption over those years. ADCOM 2015 is a statement to maintain the status quo of many many years. Over 150 years. Let's check ourselves in this matter. On church Politics (Now that I see it on the comments under this post) If we start speaking of getting a president who will fix your pain, it is good to remind you that we might get the opposite and worse leadership that what we have now. And the faith of many will be hurt by the new set of leaders whose your approach to this matter can create a way for them to church leadership. I hope you fully understand how we vote leaders and know the many issues some in the church have been plotting to fix once Ted Wilson term ends. Anyway you people have an option to decide the future of the church come 2025. spectrummagazine.org/views/why-we-should-reform-our-theology-after-ted-wilson/
Hi, I suspect you may be responding to what you think you heard or what you think is being discussed, but not actually what was said. "If we have a problem with ADCOM 2015 Immunization statement" We do have an issue, but not because of the therapy, but because the statement elevates the uninspired source of peer-reviewed scientific literature to a basis for our health message. The problem? Our health message is a matter of fundamental belief, and the fundamental beliefs are based on the Bible and Bible alone. That is the issue. You are doing your best to come with the usual runaround to drag this into a debate on the therapy. No one here is interested in that waste of time, no one is taking the bait. "If we had no such a policy in the first place we would not have still the letters of exemption from the church" Sure, 1. the issue with the statement is not premised on an intent to get a religious exemptions. The issue is about upholding our fundamental beliefs and maintaining sola scriptura. Establishing a beachhead for peer-reviewed science is dangerous. Peer-reviewed science has been wrong often and to disastrous consequences (thalidomide, surgeon general recommends smoking, doctors locked Ignaz Semmelweis in an insane asylum for asking them to wash their hands before touching a newborn and mother during birth... ) 2. you seem to assume it is ok for the ADCOM to encourage this therapy. Why? Why must there be a statement? Imagine, as was the case for the 100+yrs of SDA before 2015, there was no statement, we will be fine to return to that situation again. We don't need a statement encouraging the therapy. Bible is silent, so ADCOM should respect the silence of the Bible and remain silent as well. Your fallacious reasoning is premised on an assumed imperative for a statement. There simply is no such imperative. 3. it is obvious that the statement does not add to your freedom to get the therapy, but it is also very obvious that the statement robs of my freedom not to get the therapy, so it is not a level playing field. GC ADCOM tips the scales towards mandates and enforcement thereof. Your insincerity is proven by your inability to admit this. The rest of your argument is built on this false imperative. Even though you use the example of the seatbelt, which, guess what, there is no "Official Statement" encouraging the wearing of a seatbelt. Which proves the point. We would all be free to follow our conscience. Your supposition is that it is immoral for me to disagree with anything that the government has decided is for my good? Nowhere did I demand ADCOM discourage or condemn the therapy. I would be perfectly at peace if they kept quiet about the therapy (like seatbelts), as we had done for all the decades before 2015. Are you intimidated that the lay members get to speak back to ADCOM via business meetings? How fragile are your leaders? These same lay members can (as per the church manual) handle the disfellowshipping of a fellow member, but we can't expect them to defend the fundamentals? If we can't defend our fundamentals in a business meeting, then who can and which would be a suitable platform? Tell us. Perhaps listen to the presentation again and see if you comprehend it better?
Why can't we include a call for these personalities to stop making any "Statements" whatsoever? Who are these Statements like vacancies and climate change for? As a. Child of God I have no need for them, nor do I see how they are helpful to the cause of christ.
what a joy to hear the spirit of Elijah in this horrible time of lukewarmness and hypocrisy! Thank you all of you for crying aloud.
It's very encouraging to receive these words, thank you for the support!
This is so valuable. Henk is an amazing soldier of God!
He truly is
We appreciate your platform Dr Joyce and collaborators. Thank you for your hard work!! Praise be to our God!!
God bless you all for your courage to stand up for truth.
Thank you for the wonderful encouragement!
Thank you Brother Henk, Brother Jonathan, and Sister Joyce for following the truth of God regarding the 2015 official statement regarding vaccinations. He has guided you to this point. Every step you have taken have purpose and meaning. You have now given us the opportunity to do what church members can do as they become educated and come under conviction to reject the AD COM statement. Courage in Christ, Mrs. Cathy Law
Amen, thank you for your support!
Johnathan Zirkle for GC President.
So appreciated! I love you all and your courageous spirit !
We need to pray in earnest that God makes a “supernatural” appearance at this upcoming GC session. These men in open rebellion and blatant apostasy must be exposed and God take control of the helm, to show, as He did at Sinai that He is in control🙏🏽
READ DILIGENTLY & STUDY & COMPARE or CROSS-EXAMINE SCIPTURE in JOEL 1:1-20 to JOEL 2:1 with the REST of SCRIPTURE.
IT IS GOD's VOICE & SHARES the 'PROBLEM' & GOD'S ANSWER for the problem & HE tells GOD'S PEOPLE, 'WHAT' to DO & 'WHY' & 'HOW' GOD, himself intends to 'RESOLVE' the ISSUE. JOEL 1:6,7 "A LION (NATION) has COME DOWN UPON MY LAND"
JOEL 1 ...TELLS US, WE have a PART TO PLAY, in ORDER to CO-WORK with HIM and to RESOLVE the PROBLEM. PRAISE, THANKS, HALLELUJAH, AMEN.
LOVED the "PEARL" & "WIDOW" analogy comparison it's so TRUE.
LOVE WHAT you're ALL TRYING to DO in the LORD & FOR OUR CHURCH, GOD'S PEOPLE
May GOD BLESS your EFFORTS. AMEN 🙏🙏🙏
Amen
We have to stand for whole truth and not half truth brothers and sisters
Amen!
I am so sad to see how we treat each other within our own church. I feel bad for the people that have not been heard throughout this whole issue. All the censoring and canceling is just so surprising within the church. Thank you all for working so hard on this. May God bless your efforts and may God show me how I can be helpful.
We love our church but we need to make sure that we stand true as we enter the most troubling times before Jesus returns
This is the closing of probation, the Spirit is making Good final appeals
Wow,! Great video with so many good ideas...this can also be done to reject the church's position on abortion
Yes amen!
Somehow, someone has to get this on the agenda this time
Jesus is coming, Lord help us to be faithful!
Yes, amen!
Hank lays it out so logically and eloquently!
I thought so too!
I am a part of one of those 20 churches Henk mentions to be on board.
🙏
Happy Sabbath sister Joyce 🙏
Thank you, I'm greatly encouraged
And we are encouraged by your comment!
GC hasn’t promoted the vaccine? Didn’t Adventist World feature a photo/article showing that the church headquarters were used as a place where the public could come to receive their shots? Is this not promoting in some way?
It absolutely is.
Thank you for this video is very helpful thanks dear God
Thank you so much for the support and encouraging words
Great discussion, thanks for setting this up Dr. Choe. Bro. Henk you got to come pay us a visit at AMC.
So glad that there are people who found this valuable
Also Diop's ecumenism push with catholism
Diop is a fulfillment of GC The aims of the papacy, a sympathizer of Rome, saying Catholic has changed, and its not so bad anymore, He should read it to see what part he is playing
Amen! And thank you!
Thanks so much for watching
Also watch "The Naked Emperor" by Pastor Conrad Vine.
Good recommendation
Great presentation. Thanks. Took a little too long to get to the point but good info.
I hope Jay Cameron( our Canadian religious liberty lawyer) is also teaming up with Jonathan
Thank you
Thank you for watching!
Amen!
Good Sabbath Afternoon!
Glad for this platform, this is harming the pure principles of the biblical SDA world view and message. If my local church is not willing to a meeting regarding this issue how does an individual member have her voice heard and counted? The ADCOMM statement has to be removed before more mandates are issued. Please do keep this issue active.
We're glad this message reached you🙏
Johnathan is taking it all in ...I assume he will be at 2025 GC.
Jonathan was emphasizing the strength and autonomy of the local church(es) which is good and true but we have recently seen the GC and the Union leadership squashing the membership and laity of the local church congregation of Pioneer Memorial Church in regard to the removal of their beloved church pastor Kelly and elder Vine who are being despitefully used and mistreated without justification. GC ADCOM and leadership will not stop at anything it seems.
We are part of the remnant so there’s no need to give up on God..😢
Let's pray we stay true to Him always
Thank you very much for this platform aiming to get inputs on 2025 gc. To me Ted Wilson and his team should resign as they have really divided the church.
We're glad this message reached you!
The big problem in our local leadership, they don't want to stand up
Often very true...
Cold hearts like Pharoh is what’s going on here.
Cold like Pharoh and blinded like the pharisees
It seems so...
If only Christ was omnipotent, then He could lead His church and take care of such things.... and we could focus on our great commission, and moulding our characters for perfection.
While Christ is omnipotent, this is all part of God's great plan and an exercise of our own free will. Let's pray for wisdom and discernment.
Matthew 23 applies to the current GC leadership.
DO NO PHARM!
Spiritual Gifts Volume 4a, 140. - {HL 245.1}
great quote
1048. The endless variety of medicines in the market, the numerous advertisements of new drugs and mixtures, all of which claim to do wonderful cures, kill hundreds where they benefit one.... Yet people keep dosing, and continue to grow weaker until they die. Some will have medicine at all events. Then let them take these hurtful mixtures and the various deadly poisons upon their own responsibility. God's servants should not administer medicines which they know will leave behind injurious effects upon the system, even if they do relieve present suffering. Every poisonous preparation in the vegetable and mineral kingdoms, taken into the system, will leave its wretched influence, affecting the liver and lungs, and deranging the system generally.-Spiritual Gifts Volume 4a, 140. . HL 245.1
Trying to give you the thumbs up here but the button won't work
Thank you for the support!
Amen
1:05:53 ❤🙏🏻
Hearts hardening
May we kindly know which Conference EXCOM has voted so?
Hi, this particular ExCom has asked for this not to be revealed until November when they have had their union meeting. sit tight November is around the corner.
1:12:48 where can we find all 59 statements? Maybe a link please…
gc.adventist.org/official-statements/immunization/
gc.adventist.org/official-statements/
@@medmissionaryteam 59 statements???
And some of them have nothing to do with 28 fundamentals. THESE SHOULD BE ALL STRUCK DOWN AS WE HAVE NO BUSINESS IN CIVIL GOVERNMENTS’ AGENDA!!!
True science is in harmony with the creator, God (Jesus). True education leads to obedience to His work. Science brings new wonders to our view. She leaps high and explores new depths, but she brings back nothing from her research that is in conflict with devine revelation. Ignorance may seek to support false view of science but the book of nature and the written word shed light upon each other (Ellen White). Sir, I wish you all the best but the GC has made up its mind. The only accomplishment here is you are exposing them. However, I am not telling you to discontinue your effort. I am done with the GC. The delegates approximately 1500 majority voted against women's ordination and the GC (Ted Wilson) rescinded it. The covid vaccine was proven to be insignificant in therapy and potentially dangerous in Australia. That country decided to discontinue its use while it was being administered in the USA. The GC knew about this and decided to let their members, by mandate, take the vaccine. It should be a freedom of choice defended by the GC.
1:08:40 😮😮😮
What was the EG ref that Joyce just read?
Spiritual Gifts Volume 4a, 140. - {HL 245.1}
I will be praying for you all. This is disgraceful 😢
They have sold their birthright like Esau did 😢
Isn't the Pope promoting the "Earth" Sabbath (Sunday) as healthy and for the safety of the people? The "Earth" Sabbath (Sunday) is scientifically proven? The wording is very close and suspect! 😢
Indeed...
Let us be Christians even when we are hurt. I know folks lost jobs and a lot over the vaccination issue. Sorry for that.
If we have a problem with ADCOM 2015 Immunization statement we should remember this that if we had no such a policy in the first place we would not have still the letters of exemption from the church. And actually forcing the church to give us those letters will be setting up a dangerous precedent. Letters should only be made on things we have a statement on and things we have a clear statement on. Vaccination is not one.
A conscience of an individual should not be stamped as the stand of the church. Imagine if I get a religious exemption letter for not wearing the seatbelt. That does not sound right. We have no statement or a belief on that issue to warrant a letter of exemption. And it would have been the same thing if we had no policy on immunization. It's all the same for seatbelts and vaccines brethren and Medmissionary. The church should not stamp our consciences. Please leave the church out of this. Do not break the church of God which for many years has been okay. Vaccines did not come in 2020. Schools in US mandated children to get some vaccines before joining school. Other parts of the world check that thing too. This cannot be a test in 2024 of who is faithful and who is not a faithful Adventist. Many with a view like your had a life and a place in this church without a letter of exemption over those years. ADCOM 2015 is a statement to maintain the status quo of many many years. Over 150 years. Let's check ourselves in this matter.
On church Politics (Now that I see it on the comments under this post)
If we start speaking of getting a president who will fix your pain, it is good to remind you that we might get the opposite and worse leadership that what we have now. And the faith of many will be hurt by the new set of leaders whose your approach to this matter can create a way for them to church leadership. I hope you fully understand how we vote leaders and know the many issues some in the church have been plotting to fix once Ted Wilson term ends. Anyway you people have an option to decide the future of the church come 2025.
spectrummagazine.org/views/why-we-should-reform-our-theology-after-ted-wilson/
Hi, I suspect you may be responding to what you think you heard or what you think is being discussed, but not actually what was said.
"If we have a problem with ADCOM 2015 Immunization statement"
We do have an issue, but not because of the therapy, but because the statement elevates the uninspired source of peer-reviewed scientific literature to a basis for our health message.
The problem? Our health message is a matter of fundamental belief, and the fundamental beliefs are based on the Bible and Bible alone.
That is the issue. You are doing your best to come with the usual runaround to drag this into a debate on the therapy. No one here is interested in that waste of time, no one is taking the bait.
"If we had no such a policy in the first place we would not have still the letters of exemption from the church"
Sure,
1. the issue with the statement is not premised on an intent to get a religious exemptions. The issue is about upholding our fundamental beliefs and maintaining sola scriptura. Establishing a beachhead for peer-reviewed science is dangerous. Peer-reviewed science has been wrong often and to disastrous consequences (thalidomide, surgeon general recommends smoking, doctors locked Ignaz Semmelweis in an insane asylum for asking them to wash their hands before touching a newborn and mother during birth... )
2. you seem to assume it is ok for the ADCOM to encourage this therapy. Why? Why must there be a statement? Imagine, as was the case for the 100+yrs of SDA before 2015, there was no statement, we will be fine to return to that situation again. We don't need a statement encouraging the therapy. Bible is silent, so ADCOM should respect the silence of the Bible and remain silent as well. Your fallacious reasoning is premised on an assumed imperative for a statement. There simply is no such imperative.
3. it is obvious that the statement does not add to your freedom to get the therapy, but it is also very obvious that the statement robs of my freedom not to get the therapy, so it is not a level playing field. GC ADCOM tips the scales towards mandates and enforcement thereof. Your insincerity is proven by your inability to admit this.
The rest of your argument is built on this false imperative. Even though you use the example of the seatbelt, which, guess what, there is no "Official Statement" encouraging the wearing of a seatbelt. Which proves the point. We would all be free to follow our conscience. Your supposition is that it is immoral for me to disagree with anything that the government has decided is for my good? Nowhere did I demand ADCOM discourage or condemn the therapy. I would be perfectly at peace if they kept quiet about the therapy (like seatbelts), as we had done for all the decades before 2015.
Are you intimidated that the lay members get to speak back to ADCOM via business meetings? How fragile are your leaders? These same lay members can (as per the church manual) handle the disfellowshipping of a fellow member, but we can't expect them to defend the fundamentals? If we can't defend our fundamentals in a business meeting, then who can and which would be a suitable platform? Tell us.
Perhaps listen to the presentation again and see if you comprehend it better?
Why can't we include a call for these personalities to stop making any "Statements" whatsoever?
Who are these Statements like vacancies and climate change for?
As a. Child of God I have no need for them, nor do I see how they are helpful to the cause of christ.
Amen
Amen!