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Something you guys missed is that The Crew is of particular importance to this because it was sold under perpetual license, meaning you bought it you keep it. Unlike most online-only games which perform some legal and mental gymnastics to make it seem more like a rental ("you pay to play until we decide to shut down services"), thus making legal action against these companies difficult.
They say taking action on the crew will cause a ripple effect, but I feel like all it will do is encorage companies to make sure they cant get sued for it
@@gamesmaster1060 For a reason imo. But it would also affect gaming in a bad way. Only bigger companies would be able to go into the risk. Because forcing developer into contracts / rules guaranteeing that the games continue to run burns huge amounts of money. So there is even a bigger risk than before (not every developer is big enough to do it) for developers in general to make an online based game. Means this would create only more and more money making games...
This is really one sided. It is completely against freedom to do what you want and like. I mean you as a buyer takes the risk with every buy, but you can do your research. Physical games are the best option, because it doesn´t need energy all the time. You can play it when you want. But buying an Online Multiplayer game is a risk (also MMORPGs), but on all sides, because nobody knows how it will perform and how much player will play it over the years. If it not brings the money, it will affect the hard working people behind it as well. For you it is "only" some money that you have spend once (most of the time, or so much like you want). But the other people may lose there jobs. It is stress on top. Don´t get me wrong, i´m a fan of Game Preservation... but to me "physical" is the only real thing here. Only if a game has an multiplayer that doesn´t need servers, it will work competely. Digital is not that easy to handle, because it needs to be cared for and maintained from other people all the time. At some point it is not worth.
So it will never work for every type of game... it is how it is. Private server are a solution, but that´s up to the player itself. And when it comes to drm free games, it is up to the player. But this could be an easier way for even more pirate stuff and would hurt (imo) the gaming industry also in long term.
@@gamesmaster1060 They just have to call it rental, but for some reason they didn't or are too afraid to use it.
Any games sold for a single payment and without any clear expiry date is sold as a perpetual license. Only subscription based games like WoW are not.
However terrible it is. Its legal. They sell consumers a "limited license" to the product with which they reserve the right to end access to at any time. I think pretty much any game has these terms of use. In order to play the game we have to agree to it. Legally they cover themselves. To counter it we'd have to push for changes in the way these terms are written
The reason why this blew up in The Crew's case is that it has a decent singleplayer campaign, so it doesn't need any online component.
it has a hidden offline mode
@@Agent-mb1xxHow?
@@tabbofii trainers
Companies "we need to make everything a service"
Also companies "we have to pay to keep the service running??" *surprised pickachu face*
This is Gold!😂
Consumers never asked for the service either.
actually, it's all part of the plan. they are happy to destroy their own products, because then their now products have less competition.
DFRetro Plays: The Crew in 2042 - "Here's some footage instead from when the game WAS available"
The DF Retro video on Google Stadia is gonna be nuts
I remember when games used to come with servers so you could host LAN games.
I remember system link cables as well. Although I guess that effectively just another word for a LAN.
Another thing developers should do is allow customers to host servers themselves.
It must've beeen around 1945
I miss the days of GameSpy network
There are plenty where you still can! But neither Steam nor GOG are interested in making it easy to identify it, even though the tags are there. Developers/publishers themselves will sometimes have LAN and not list it. Palworld says it requires an internet connection, but it actually doesn't. It's so annoying.
Only Nintendo and AA developers do that nowadays
"Stop stealing our games" should be the name
Same thing
no, its not theft, you cant be hyperbolic when fighting legal battles, you kids ruin everything with your lack of professionalism
@@SobeCrunkMonsterWho says you can't be hyperbolic? Tell that to Nintendo lawyers who will put alleged pirates in forever debt.
Besides, what else is it if not theft when ownership is revoked permanently? If you buy milk from the store, they won't come and take it back from you.
Gears of War had split screen coop from the beginning. I used to play it with my brother in law from Gears 1 to 3. What an amazing experience. Now I just started playing Gears one split screen with my son.
Bless your soul. I got gears as a kid. Only reason i got the xbox 360. Fun times. Even better with friends.
All Gears has Split screen including Judgement, 4 and 5
The real solution is to have publishers and developers stop forcing "online only" design into games where it doesn't belong. There is no reason for a game like Gran Turismo 7 to require a constant internet connection to a server, other than greed.
Accursed Farms is a legend. Freemans Mind is still probably my favourite youtube series ever. That guy changed my Half-Life playthroughs.
Giga games
I'm only wondering when he'll return to the Freeman's mind series. I mean this cause is certainly worth putting his other projects on indefinite hold. But I'm a little sad about it still
It blew my mind when I learned the Stop Killing Games guy was also the Freeman's Mind guy. I saw that shit like 15 years ago.
Credit to PalWorld for letting users host dedicated servers. So even if the company were to be obliterated by Nintendo/GF, people will still be able to play online
Based 😎
I was proud of survival game players for giving Nightingale a hard time over its required internet connection. Then I was disappointed in everyone who bought Helldivers despite the problems with online-only games being shoved in your face at launch, rendering the game unable to be played at all.
this is the true conversation of preservation and ownership, not a fixation on physical media. we need to establish stringent ownership laws especially for digital media
Unless those laws allow you to let friends borrow your digital copy, or sell it when you're done with it, then yeah, the fixation DOES need to be on physical copies.
@@Xoulrath_it needs to be on both
Physical media doesn't last forever anyway, so part of the argument always a bit of a dead end.
@@originalbadboy32The only real conservation is a cracked game with multiple backups and not physical media. People who argue for physical media for preservation reasons or because "you dont actually own the game otherwise!!!!1" are fucking stupid.
Mobile market will love this idea
The Australian petition is now open until May 20. Sign it guys
The Crew has a hidden offline mode can be enabled through hacks
the issue is Ubisoft blocked you form even install the game. they delisted it from your library.
@@matthewjuarbe5826 If you owned it on Steam, you can still install it but it has nowhere to connect.
Having a peer to peer connection as an alternative to their centralized dedicated server is a great way to preserve online gameplay. We still run Project Cars 2 league to this day even if the game shuts down 2 years ago. And anyone could still play Grid, Dirt 3 and Dirt Rally online even after delistments from online stores as well. Same thing can't be said had this been a GT Sport, some very old Forza titles like Horizon 2 which closed recently or worst like The Crew. Sure the quality of connection may vary and is not the best for competitive gameplay, but we still have plenty of great times racing casually with friends and even made some new ones
People basically do this with Splatoon. Some router changes etc. and people manage to connect through the local play mode
Trouble is if the game isn't designed that way in the first place that's a significant amount of work to make that happen.
Yiu wouldn't be able to do that with an MMO for example.
@@originalbadboy32 what do you mean? Before Blizzard officially provided WoW classic it was basically done by users hosting pirate servers - it exists because a grey-market solution showed that demand for it exists. What you're talking about 'has' been done with an MMO before, and not a small one either.
You know the funniest thing? The game doesn't actually use dedicated servers for the player interactions. It's all peer to peer.
There was some Guy that was able to keep playing the crew for a day after the servers went down.
@@InnuendoXP Yes I know that already.
Whats your point?
That was and is technically illegal , we want to ensure there is a legal route to do that, and that the publishers abide by that.
Yes like Phantasy Star Online on my GameCube. I still play that today without any hacking or mods just by entering a new IP address in the options. The same with nearly every Wii game, you can change where it connects in the Wii options menu making most games work online today. It’s definitely a recent thing but people still want to play these older games. Phantasy Star Online always has plenty of people playing.
Even if you didn't play it online there was an offline mode you could play. I used to have a GC and PSO, I don't have that anymore but I have an OG Xbox where i can fire up the same game and play offline.
If a game says "Purchase" when buying it, they should have to offer a way to play it, even if limited in capacity, after the servers shut down. Otherwise you didn't purchase it, you rented it.
@@DigitalHaze65536 Yeah the GameCube version also has split screen multiplayer, which was a nice option. I usually play PSO with a friend I know away from the game, so I was so pleased to be able to play on private servers. As well as being a game, it’s a familiar place to meet up when a busy life gets in the way.
Dreamcast still online with it too
@@southsidetherealest2860 I do have the Dreamcast versions too but it's hardware limiting my play there as I can no longer connect the modem. I'd love to put the time in and get the Dreamcast connected again, you can never have too many PSO options.
Other than for greedy monetization reasons I have no clue why the dedicated servers went away. The earliest game I can point the finger at is Starcraft 2; I remember being livid Blizzard removed LAN play. Pretty sad a random meme-like game; Palworld; has dedicated server software but major high profile ones don't.
I always envisioned a dream law in my head that when an online game gets taken offline studios/publishers would be required to release the online binaries or source code. Let the community bring it back online.
control. it's all about control.
Yeah, they don't want their past catalogue competing with their current catalogue. Madness I know.
how is turning a game off related to “monetization”? turning a game off is the opposite of making money, you kids dont even know what youre saying. just using terminology all willy nilly like its a sentence enhancer rather than actual vocabulary.
@@SobeCrunkMonster ok condescending shitebag, I'm in my 30s so let me spell it out for you.
Back in the day they had these things like dedicated servers, peer-to-peer connections .etc where the users could sustain the multiplayer ecosystem entirely on their own.
Then MMOs came along, microtransactions came along, suddenly having the player base able to host whatever kind of game states they wanted, modded however they wanted, with whatever cosmetics they wanted, wasn't so appealing when you could make them pay for these things instead through the 'live service' model.
But the only way to achieve this is with a closed multiplayer host maintained by the publisher. And once they are no longer making money, they shut it down, and so shut the game's multiplayer - and in some extreme cases where the live service is integrated comprehensively, shutting the whole damn game down.
As for "shutting down is less money than not shutting down" - maintaining a live service costs money, if a game is years past what the publisher deems 'end of life' then it won't be profitable to maintain it. They also have no current financial incentive to open the multiplayer hosting to the community, that takes money, testing, all for people who aren't going to be paying any more money for the game. And lastly, if they've made all the money they're ever going to make from that game, they don't need it competing with new games they're wanting to sell.
That's why pervasive post-launch monetisation and live service models lead to dead games - they directly tie the operability of the game to the publisher's willingness or ability to sustain it in perpetuity, which they've clearly shown, they aren't.
@@SobeCrunkMonster Epic would be in shambles if I could run my own Fortnite server like I did CS 1.6, Team fortress, and Killing floor. Reason it's only through their servers is to monetize their skins. At least that's how I see it.
After I ran a private WoW server years back I learned how little power and bandwidth it takes to run most online services; if I could run that on a crappy dual core a decade+ ago I doubt there's an online game that people couldn't host themselves.
The Crew's situation sucks way more because game had (20h) single player campaign that you cant play offline.
Remember when everyone would go "why do you care if a games always online, dont you have internet?"
yeahhhh...... Well here we are.
Just wait until its 15 years from now and they feel nostalgic for Destiny or something and cant go back and re-live their childhoods. We tried to warn yall, ya didnt listen. Reap what you sow.
Yeah imagine if historic music & movie catalogues were treated like this. "Sorry, the CD you purchased in 1994 is inoperable due to an arbitrary external kill-switch. If we feel like it, maybe we'll include it in a subscription service with no option of download-to-own."
@@InnuendoXPI believe early on, the formats for records weren't great and a lot were on hard wax which melts then warps in the heat.
@@FoxUnitNell wax wasn't used for long, they quickly moved on to shellac, which is basically a set resin & while brittle, can still be found in playable quality today.
I mean look at what's happened with City of Heroes just this year. The MMO officially closed in November 2012 but was revived by community servers. And one of them - Homecoming - was granted an actual license from NCSoft.
There should be a legal framework (and requirement!) that allows these sorts of projects.
Bro.
John's playing The Running Man in the background.
What an absolute Chad.
2:58 I think John is glitching...
😅😂
I'm really surprised no one brought up Pretendo as an example to how this really IS a good idea to pass the baton to the community. That and Insignia, X-Link Kai are doing great. There was even a community server for GTA V on Ps3\Xbox 360 called GTA OG{it's shut down now mainly due to hackers and people selling mods just to troll people. } But or online games, giving the community is the best bet. Therefore physical and digital games could always be played.
I was a bit frustrated when they announced the crew would be unplayable, but now I'm completely furious that they revoked the licenses on pc. They are unambiguously telling their customers "we can screw you over and if you try to sue us we can pay for better lawyers than you can." I was considering buying the crew 2 but now I will pirate every ubisoft game I want to play because they are causing harm to the entire gaming industry for a little more short term profit.
Ubisoft games are honestly not even worth pirating. But if I really feel like I need to play one of their games, just know I'm putting on my eye patch. Their launcher is single handedly some of the most infuriating peace of software I've come across
how is turning a game off generating any “short term profit”? is that just a sentence enhancer rather than a statement that actually makes sense?
@SobeCrunkMonster what ubisoft did to the crew on pc is unprecedented. Most companies will let you reinstall the game so legally you own the key for the game and therefore technically own the game even if the key is usless. Ubisoft went the extra mile by taking away the digital key on their launcher, meaning legally you don't own the game. My guess to why they did this was due to the crew lawsuits. If they lose, all they have to do is implement offline modes in their online only games or refund their customers which for ubisoft is basically a slap on the wrist. But if they win, they can legally revoke your games or force you to pay for your games again. Imagine buying star wars outlaws for 70 dollars, and 2 years later you'll be forced to pay 30 bucks for an update or you can't play the game, that would be on the table if they win. This would be incredibly greedy and short sighted, but I can easily see ubisoft doing it.
Bring back LAN play. One of the benefits of many Switch games is that LAN or Local Wireless is a staple in most of them. Monster Hunter, since Freedom, with the Exception of World/Iceborne, all have LAN/Local-Wireless play built in. So for those games, Capcom has at least offered something that has an end-of-life option. There's a little searching work, for now, but there are offerings that allow people to utilize either one of those options for play over internet.
"Final moments of the crew". Reminds me of when playstation home got shut down : ( lol
I have a good selection of physical games, it feels good to have them. There is something very cool about owning a physical game and having it on a shelf. I like taking it off the shelf and admiring the box art and reading the descriptions on the back of the box, especially the game features and mechanics. It's the same with DVDs, Blu-rays and 4K Blu-rays.
The Crew was also released on discs. didn't stop Ubisoft from killing it.
This has nothing to do with physical vs digital media. Thats a whole other battle
@@ssjbargainsaleactually in all honesty it really is. Hell PS and XBOX could do this anytime with a digital game as we speak even Steam did with Spec Ops the Line
@@vagamer522 The crew had a physical release, so it doesnt mean much in this case
Yeah, I agree. This is also crucial with non-live service games. I latched onto your comment because I'm one of those people that just won't shut up about Spec Ops The Line. I cherish it. Once I FINALLY convinced my friend to try it, it wasn't available anywhere anywhere. It's a single player game that can be played offline. He couldn't get it on Steam. The only solution was to have him borrow my xbox and lend him my 360 copy. @vagamer522
So funny to me seeing everyone finally catch up, I was at this spot in 2005 when SOE completely changed SWG with a patch and essentially killed it. Was my first experience of a developer taking away the game I loved after all the money and time I spent on it.
Woah. J man out here with a beard.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP please bring ross on as a guest if he wants to be one
Getting rid of LAN came back to bite them in the butt, cause some publishers are pushing for esports, but dont have a good net code (halo) or get hacked mid torunament (Apex) LOL
Skidrow Reloaded is becoming more and more attractive...
Ubisoft must be channelling their inner klaus Schwab.
Well thank you! Now i have seen the ending of the Running Man!
I feel like thw best way would for developers be mandatory to release the tools or documentation to run private servers, but they dont want you too because they fear you wont buy their next version of the game
it's time to stop this madness!
#StopKillingGames
Law Breakers is making a bit of a resurgence at the moment.
I think it’s fine if developers/studios/publishers want to stop supporting a game, that’s their right. But they need to open up the servers for someone else to be able to do it if that’s the case.
It already happened with the movies on the playstation, as sony discontinued selling movies and it also happens with content on streaming services. While ubisoft said the players should be used to just rent and not own games in the future, I think it's important that players show companies like ubisoft that they want to own games! Otherwise one day maybe we will just be stuck with services like the xbox game pass. So we the players can do that... if we don't support companies like ubisoft. Then this companies will learn that what the players want matters!
I'm going to be so pissed when Ubisoft comes for The Division. We can't let this continue.
Damn did not even think about that :/ and the first game is better than the 2nd one.
Going to be gutted when that game goes offline forever as I put 4100 hours into that over the years doing all the gear sets, optimising every piece to the max and spend so much time doing 100% of the commendations, so much work put into that game just so one day Ubi can shutdown the server and its all lost forever. It's still a fun game with plenty online still, same goes for the Division 2 one day. Something needs to change because with most games requiring you to be online nothing will be playable in the future after a short while.
my first LAN game was Doom and was amazing at the time
was sorting through my old PC game collection and I noticed something disturbing - since around 2010, most big titles had a Steam key, which as we know can only be activated once - no sharing of game discs anymore either, which is also a huge issue as you can no longer use secondhand copies or borrow from a friend
I wonder how this would be for games using third-party proprietary server technology. Like for example worlds adrift some years ago. It was using Improbable for their server tech and hosting needs, as the game was an MMO sandbox with physics. So when it shutdown i recall hearing that they couldn't release the code for their servers because of licensing issues.
Though now they are making a spiritual successor but only co-op not dependant on a master server.
I miss playing MAG for the PS3. One of the first games that I purchased that was online only and has been shutdown for years now. The other one was SOCOM: U.S Navy SEALs Confrontation, but at least people brought those servers back for that one, I think.
Didn’t MAG also carry a pretty attention grabbing sticker on the front cover, advertising it as online-only?
Transparency goes a long way
@@ElTequilla Yes, it did say that it was "Multiplayer Online Only" and I knew one day it would go away when I was playing it.
I wonder if MAG and Warhawk on the PS3 still work? I have them, but never really played them much.
Test Drive Unlimited 2 on the PC - I played that quite a bit back in the day, and have a physical copy. Not tried to play it in years.
Stop killing games
Nice!
hey Dachs the crew its a game from bygone era isnt that right?
The UK lobbying legislation has gone past 20 signatures now, so it's live on the website I think, or will be. It should hopefully be ready to going into consideration after a few thousands signatures.
Petition, not legislation (even if it gets 100k signatures, it won't become law. Unfortunately, in this case).
And it still says " 20 people have already supported this petition. No more people can sign this petition until it has been approved. We need to check it meets the petition standards before we publish it. Please try again in a few days." as it has done for more than a few days.
It’s a tough one. On one hand, it will be great if we could archive a playable version of every game ever made. But at the same time, if I were spending my own money making games, I’d not be happy paying to run it for no one or been legally compelled to give it away for free.
The only way the mainstream will give a damn is if it gets to a point where we have another Battlefront 2 situation.
So I say set Ubisoft loose to go nuts with their shit. They are getting us to that point quickly right now.
The game has an offline mode that would be pretty easy to patch in but Ubisoft refuses.
I think a historical comparison could be made for the GameCube, but John didn't mention how so many games were Xbox/PS2 only.
Total hardware unit sales doesn't matter if software doesn't sell. Xbox barely outsold GCN, but so many games skipped GameCube. Not just big ones like GTA and Max Payne. But smaller ones like Futurama. I found an IGN quote from 2003 on Futurama being canceled. "The reason for the termination here in the States is the usual: more sluggish sales of the console compared to Xbox or especially PS2 means bigger risks for publishers bringing software to it."
Governments need to create a digital bill of rights for consumers for the modern era. If you buy something digitally it should be legally required customers have access to that product for some known period of time at minimum. 20 years would be a good starting point.
My big thing is if this goes through, will it work retroactively?
it won't bring dead games back, but it should stop companies from shutting any more games down.
I had a guy in Reddit try to argue with me about this. The dude is so deluded he has no issue with not owning his games which is insane to me.
This issue is why I refuse to buy anything that has an always online connection or live service, even if it’s good. Trying to petition governments is all well and good, but hitting companies in their wallets is the fastest and easiest way to get them to change their ways. And I also try to buy games from GOG as much as possible since those games are also DRM free with no launcher required as long as I have either the game files or installers backed up somewhere.
Modern video games are now just a subscription model of entertainment. A cd just acts as a key to verify you bought access to the game data to play it .
This would solve one of the three big problems, servers shutting down. Expiring licenses is even harder to fix, some games are stuck in license hell and will never return. Physical is another big can of worms. People tout it as a solution, but try and buy a copy of Earthbound, see how much fun that is. Physical copies are great if you already own them and they work, but those are two big ifs.
physical is good for nothing except as proof of ownership.
@@arsenii_yavorskyi say that to all my 130+ installed games that I can play entirely offline but simply putting in the disc :) can you do that with a digital version?
@@gamingedition5165Go to Vimm’s Lair, download a good GameCube game, boot it up on Dolphin, and see for yourself that you can run a digital game without an internet connection and that you can claim full ownership of it.
"You'll own nothing and you'll be happy" -- Satan
You mean Ubisoft CEO.
Nintendo enters the chat: All games should disappear after 10 years! Enjoy your plastic collector's items! P.S. We hate our customers.
🤣
Buy physical games up until the PS3/Xbox 360 generation and for the various handhelds. Approach the digital landscape with caution.
Even there, I would personally advise some caution as those systems has ancient and short sighted online infrastructure accompanying their OS and storage design.
At some point there will be a significant number of stability issues all around the hardware and software doing what it’s supposed to do :/
And that generation already had stability issues enough to begin with.
On a related topic, does anyone know how to both purchase and play "Need For Speed: Most Wanted" from around 2005?
I just bought a copy of it on the Xbox 360 and the original xbox. They each cost about 55 bucks online.
Iirc the PC port is awful so chances are unless you mod it your best shot is getting a physical copy for Xbox/PS2 or PS3/360
@@jimbob1862 ya, that's why I didn't even bring it up. The pc port is not great. The best version is on the 360. I've really enjoyed playing it again.
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Its Alex Battytalia.
Can you imagine if movies worked this way so if you wanted to watch even a physical copy you have to be constantly online and if the servers get shutdown then you can no longer watch that movie ever, there would be riots. Something has to change because one day with most games requiring you to be online they will be gone forever.
I believe a few DVD and Blu-ray discs required an internet connection to copyprotect. Very bad.
shoutout to Titanfall 1 which at some point made all the DLC free and mandatory to have for you to able to connect to the matchmaking BUT THEN got delisted so you can no longer buy the DLC -> no longer play the game at all (it you don't own the DLC)
If you expect any game publisher to pull this sort of thing its Ubisoft
All the people...old school like me; said that this is why we didn't trust it. We were told how old we were. And if not for us they'd have stopped making physical games altogether. And you'd need to play every game while accessing the net.
There are liability reasons why they wouldn’t want “the community” to “take ownership” of things - connecting to a compromised or an intentionally hostile server designed to harvest your information is one of them.
I think we to need also acknowledge the real reason Ubisoft did this - they want people to play The Crew 2 instead where they can wring more money out of them. This is all about money of course but it's really the only driver here. Yes, keeping the original The Crew online will cost them money, but it will also cost them money by keeping people away from The Crew 2.
Please like and comment to help get this out.
Its simple, they must outsource the server code, let the community maintain it
If buying isn't "servers stay up", then "private servers" isn't stealing.
Go outside, children, play with wooden sticks! 🤣🤣🤣
I can imagine Ubusoft responding by keeping The Crew going but releasing 'updates' that degrade the performance, and making the servers run very poorly; enough that they can claim it's still there but no one can actually play it.
Yea ve sen this trick happen in software before
For now ppl shouldn't support ubi+ nor buy any ubisoft games. This is the only way to make they feel the wheight of their shitty decisions.
i tried to share the website with a few discords server and i got crucified. and the defense for Ubisoft was over whelming. people will defend these companies practices with their life and swear Ubisoft is in the right
Knowing nothing about game development. Surely there is some sort of patch that could make it local. Like in the case of The Crew; the map and assests are surely already on your system, so even though it would be effectively single player, you should still be able to get on and drive about and do missions
They could easily do it, but won't. The likely reason being is that they think that any large amount of time spent on old games may prevent people from wanting to buy new ones. It's sabotage due to greed.
Companies don't want you owning anything so when they decide, you've had enough. its time to delete it. this is why they have "requires online connection" the next thing will be console games coming with activation codes as a one time use making the disc worthless on resale if they cant kill off the physical media sales first.
socom PS5 !!!!!!!!!
Is the Crew not playable in single player?
On a tangential issue: Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 and Chronicles of Riddick are not available on any platform.
Such a waste for future gaming generations.
So, pirating is the only option? Come on!
GOG should come to the rescue.
The Crew is totally dead.
@@usul573 Did it have Single Player?
If you back StopKillingGames as you claim you do, why don't you make a separate video about it on the main channel? The visibility would certainly be better.
An EULA is not above the law, especially not here in Europe.
Fuck the EU
@@ProfessorTrippthey are literally our only hope
Ubisoft setting up a tombstone, digging its own grave and climbing up its coffin at this point.
With all the bad PR they got, and are getting still, with the management scandal, Skull & Bones, SW Outlaws,... Them fixing The Crew would do them so much good.
I back this idea by rewarding those games that patch their games for offline play (Gran Turismo Sport) and penalizing those who don't by not buying their future games. I don't support any kind of government regulation requiring this. Let the market decide.
Babylons fall should have been refunded to everyone who bought it the length of time that was available
Physical shouldnt be kioled, but.... Game developers or publishers shouldn't have the full rights to remove someone purchase (if they go down the digital route). Terrible terms and agreement
And then if you try to emulate a game or something companies will throw a hissy fit and sue you
I will never stop killing games
Ubisoft I dont even want to buy your games anymore idgad if its good or not f ubisoft
Online requirements for games are not just a requirement for you to be online, but also them.
Do not "purchase" these games, because you can't.
Everything digital is an expensive rental.
Offline should be always included, the fact you're tied to a server always bothers me, take NFS 2015 for example, even tho the game is still running, it's barely functional,
sometimes you have the luck of coming home from work and it's having another "maintenance" and it always puts you to play with other players, all i want is to play alone
on my own with no connections whatsoever. Companies are doing all they can to make sure they run your live in their terms not yours. This starts with gaming, streaming
but how much longer 'till it starts to affect other more important areas in our lives? This is far more serious than it looks.
This is why physical games NEED to exist, to ensure ownership, a physical copy is YOURS and NO ONE can take that off you, there's just something special about owning a physical copy of a game you don't get with a digital license
You don't need physical media for this to be true. GOG allow you to download a backup installer that's completely DRM free for a lot of games.
we need drm free games for proper preservation on HDDs
take your discs and shove it
Well, except that doesn't fix devs killing games that rely on online servers. The Crew discs are just pretty frisbees now.
@@gearoidodonnell3661 I'd argue that you definitely do need physical but i respect your opinion :)
@@floppyD They should let the community run them at that point (but i wouldn't know if that would be feasible)
Imagine if gaming was still physical media only? No digital BS. Still PCs with optical drives ect. That was a good time. When we did OWN our games
Having a physical disc wouldn't really fix a lot of the problems they're talking about.
@gearoidodonnell3661 It would if there wasn't DRM. Many PS5 games, like Baulders Gate 3 on disc don't have ANY DRM. It comes with 3 physical disc's. Not a single MB of internet required to play the whole game off the disc.
@@pennywisethedancingclown7139 Which just shows the problem isn't physical vs digital, but DRM.
Still wouldn't change anything in The Crew's case. Even if you own the physical console version, you can't play it anymore. It's just an useless piece of plastic now.
@@FnorghEXACTLY, we should be fighting DRM!
And this also helps physical media users, simce they can simply transfer the gane to a disc.
if a game dev, publisher, and/or distributor is consistently screwing over their player base, then stop paying for products from that source. Does it suck to not play X game that everyone loves? Yeah. But the only message this, or any, industry understands, is monetary. The society in the US is so skewed towards capitalism, that expecting any kind of headway in some kind of legislature fixing anything is just pissing in the wind
The bigger issue though, I assume, isn't multiplayer, but progression. Which is why they should bring back ways to keep playing offline - as in the entire campaign and what's essentially single-player content.
I have been a gamer nerd for over 40 years now going all the way back to the C64 in the 80s. I have seen it all from the fall of grate game studios to the fall of grate platforms. And I can absolutely say that it's maybe only 1 in 1000 games that is worth preserving. This "preservation of games" is stupid. And The Crew is absolutely not a game worth preserving. It was a grate game on paper, but the game play sucked in reality. A new game is always better than old games in general.
2:58 does linneman have Tourette's? not being mean, only curious
However terrible it is. Its legal. They sell consumers a "limited license" to the product with which they reserve the right to end access to at any time. I think pretty much any game has these terms of use. In order to play the game we have to agree to it. Legally they cover themselves. To counter it we'd have to push for changes in the way these terms are written.
I feel the same with nintendo and how stingy they are with their IPs and not contributing to game preservation but at the same time its their product 🤷♂️
They sell a perpetual license. Selling a good and then destroying it remotely without previously informing the consumer is textbook fraud.
Most of the time no one has agreed to anything. But Ubi will alter pre-existing agreements to match their own desires.
Games should be archived Physical or digital you should be able to play your older games on newer hardware Xbox dos the job wish there where more games added to it I have games that never been added but at least Microsoft made a better effort than sony and Nintendo did
You keep talking about LAN and your own servers, but you forget that The Crew has a very good single player mode! There is no reason to be connected online because you do everything there without any interaction with other people.That's the biggest problem! Multiplayer? Yes, it can die. But I paid for a single player game that I can no longer play.