A month looking through reviews and blogs and comparisons, and none of them where half as useful as yours. Thank you! Also, it was eerily on point on the cameras i was indecisive about. so thank you twice!
What a SUPERB review! Wow this is really awesome. I’ve watched a ton of reviews lately and narrowing down to a pocketable or GX Panny....this review is just stellar, well done!
Being a Lumix user for 5 years now, i find the GX85 the best bang for the money in all the interchangeable lens line-up!! Firstly, it is the cheapest 5-axis stabilization for video in the camera market in general.Secondly, I prefer the tilting screen instead of the full-articulated for photos. Its easy, quick and unnoticeable .Also i don't vlog so i don't need it to record myself. Third, no low-pass filter. Lastly, smaller than the g85/g7/gh4/gh5/gx8 so better for travel. The only problem is the mic port which is an easy fix with an external recorder like Zoom H1. You can find the body for 350$ brand new these days.
“Nothing on this camera impresses me” *A few years later the GX80/GX85 is endlessly praised by both photographers and filmmakers for its big list of features and capabilities even to this day* Don’t let this video refrain you from buying a GX80/GX85, there are countless videos showing off it’s capabilities and is the most capable of the bunch in this video. Man talks about pocketable and decides to stick an adapted full frame lens on it or the Lumix 12-60mm instead of using the Lumix 12-32mm pancake zoom that comes with the GX80/GX85 that’s sharper than the lens on the LX100. Then proceeds to test its low light performance with an f/2.8 lens when the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 II exist at an affordable price. I have no idea how he came to the conclusion that the GX80/GX85 was a let down when there are so many videos even new ones in 2022 endlessly praising the thing. Seems like you went into this video already biased towards one camera. This is by far the worst comparison video I’ve seen to date. But to each their own I guess.
Hard agree. I have a LX10, GX85 and many lenses, including Olympus f1.8 primes, and the GX85 is so versatile and unobtrusive. The only issues I have with this camera are the lack of decent grip, and low bitrate 1080 50p.
As a GX85 owner, you did it an injustice. I agree with a commenter, sticking a zoom lens on it and trying to fit into a jeans pocket was a bit silly. It comes with a 12-32 lens that compresses to the size of a pancake lens. But each to his own. I agree a camera needs to feel right for a potential owner to buy it.
I really liked your video! I watched hundreds of camera reviews and I thought did a great job. I agree with your comments about the lx10. I love the lx100 and I'll probably get another one after selling it a little while back. It's my favorite camera in so many ways.
I've been using LX10 since 2017, and after two years the touch capabilities went off along with the screen in all but the default position. Seems the connection cable inside the hinge gets wrecked by constant use. Overall, I love that camera though and I wish Panasonic came up with a successor - full sensor readout in video and a mic jack, preferably.
wow that is kinda disappointing, the LX10 is a great camera & a cinematic portable beast at that time ( i dont know now)...I still have mine after buying it in June 2018.
@@gilean6179 now I can't use it anymore, because either the lens or the sensor eventually got soiled with dust and dirt particles and they appear on all photos and videos. I had to replace LX10 with Canon G7X mk3
@@radiozelaza yes, i think the designs of these compacts just sucks too much dust in the process. Im sure the G7x mk3 is a very capable camera...i also looked at that line a few years back.
Great video, I like it because of the clear way you’ve compared the cameras. I’m looking at buying a compact travel camera and the simple and clear way that you’ve made this video has helped me a lot.One thing I would have liked to see is more still image comparisons. Looking forward to seeing more videos from yourself. Thanks.
I think you are very harsh about the GX85. For a start it has both in-camera AND lens stabilisation (by far the best in class) which is why it is heavier. It also has an excellent pancake retractable kit lens which gives it good balance. If you put massive lenses on any small camera what do you expect? You can attach a cheap and good microphone to the GX85's hot shoe. Problem solved. The GX85 is Micro Four Thirds vs 1 inch on the LX10. Sounds like you want miracles. Both these cameras are way better image wise than the waterproof Olympus. You seem obsessed with extreme slow motion. In which case you can buy a dedicated video camera which has that function. The GX85 IS pocketable but if you insist on shoving a huge lens on it then of course it won't fit. You then complain that the LX100 is pocketable but then say its controls are too fiddly. Come on - be reasonable! The LX100 is a great camera, but the poor focussing ability you claim on the GX85 is partly because you probably have it set to constant preview which will make most cameras more sluggish to focus. You can assign a back focus button to almost any camera and the problem is solved. The GX85 does not cost $1000. I bought mine for under HALF that (street price) including the kit lens.
they all talk about the lense on the lx100, but when I zoom in on the pictures/jpegs they are mushy. Some people say they did not notice and they where shooting raw..... The sony RX100 II seams to have better image quality. I dont know
The LX100 is great for strobists. Hotshoe, 1/4000 shutter sync, 24-75mm fast lens, RAW. Nice when combined with the Nissin or Goddox off camera flash systems. For video, use the Shure VP83F mic. Love the LX100 for everyday and travel!
While the LX100 is great for strobist this review was geared toward just a pocket-able camera you can use daily. I love the LX100 and hope they update it soon.
I have the LX10 for 6 months now. First time for me in the Panasonic System. Totally happy with the LX10, I have coupled it with the Zhiyun Crane M. Now Im looking to getting a TZ100 or TZ200. Im looking for reviews if somebody has taken this route before or if it is just a silly mistake to get both.
@@andreatilli6227 yes I got the ZS-220 (TZ200 outside North America) 2 years ago. I f you just have an LX 10 and Zs-220, it will be fine. However, I also have an old 70D, 100D and a bunch of STM canon lenses and of course their bokeh beats the Zs220 all the time. But if you are not particular with tIat and want to go the portability route I had in mind then the LX10 +ZS220 combo like I did is good.
Nice review but what you didn't mention about the LX100 is that it has a leaf shutter and therefore it is the only camera in this group to have high speed flash sync and can realistically be used for off-camera flash in sunny conditions.
Each camera had specialty features others could not match. To keep the review short I had to pick and choose. I felt the lx100 balance and control were the stand out features others could not match. But you are correct the lx100 is a great camera.
I think the low light high ISO test is funny. You choose a 2.8 lens for the GX85, say it's $1000 implying that should make up for its being a smaller aperture instead of using options like any of the sub $400 1.7 primes. A low light test with different apertures is a bit silly. Other comparisons were fine, but that one made me cringe.
This is a great video. I love the mix of practical information on size, weight and pocketablility mixed with low light stills and video tests. Great job. I love Lumix cameras. I have G85 and a Leica D-Lux 6 (Lumix LX7). I wish LX10 had an EVF option. I’m still stuck between the portability of LX10 verses larger sensor of LX100.
The genius of the M43 system are the compact lenses including the pancakes, yet you stick a zoom lens on it to show it doesn’t fit into a pocket?? I can’t take your review seriously.
The 20mm 1.7 paired to my GX85 makes this camera discrete, with results that surprise even myself as a beginner. I agree, Tahu, the 20mm is an excellent pairing to the GX85.
Should have had the GX85 with the kit 11-32 compact zoom. Not sure why you compared it with the others with the massive lenses fitted. This camera is best fitted with compact lenses. I have both the LX100MkII and GX80. For me the GX80 is the better camera with flash, tilting screen and an EVF.
what flaw comparisons. GX80/85 is the best (with good f1.4to 2.8 lens) followed by LX100; because of sensory size m43 vs 1" lx10/15. Images are tact sharper compared to lx10/15 in low lights.
I think adobe has support for the tg5 now. Don't the other cameras you tested have issues with sensor dust? I skimmed through the video and may have missed it if your indeed raised the issue - but yeh, sensor dust seems like a biggie for me.
Depends on the version of your software. Either way, there is a converter to convert from the camera's RAW file to Adobe's Digital Negative Raw (DNG) file if needed.
mostly its the video shooting modes. 25p vs 30p... 50p vs 60p... you can change the functionality of the camera by pressing a combination of buttons and restarting the camera... plenty of videos on youtube about changing Lumix to and from international versions
odd you compare pocketability, long Lens fitted to GX 80 against basically compact cameras? . first bad review I've seen on the GX 80 . it seems you went into this review already deciding which camera you preferred, hardly unbiased.
I guess you don't use EVF much? That is my only grip with the LX10. No EVF and not even the option for an external one, like Panny had with the LX7. I have the Leica D-LUX 6 (same as LX7) and I'd love to have a 1" or 4/3" sensor, but I also want EVF and pocketable...so, nothing for me yet. I wonder if anyone will put a 1" sensor in one of the tough/waterproof cameras. That may be interesting.
Nice review. Too bad the Canon G7 X ii wasn't included. With a good hand grip its handling beats the LX10's; the Canon's LCD screen is more versatile and the zoom range is longer. The lens ring can be set for smooth or clickable use. It only suffers being f/1.8 vs. f/1.4 and lack of 4K (whatever that is :) ). I am biased toward Canon colors also.
My first camera was a Canon AE1. I have had some kind of Canon product with me ever since. But 4k is delicious, the ability to zoom in and re-crop as if I were shooting on film too me is equal to power windows and door locks on a car. It just should be standard. I will be first inline to buy a Canon pocketable 4K image machine.
I had a GX7 II and debated about throwing it into the ring. But I have to say Canon needs to get there video features sorted out. I also found the GX7 II needs some color editing in camera as the colors come out a bit too rich, especially the reds.
The fact that you are comparing the TG-5 to the GX85 shows that you are not familiar with the intended purpose of the cameras you review. I own both a GX85 and a TG-4. One is for serious photography, the other when I am banging around in my kayak. Do you know which is which? I don't mean to be condescending, but your comparison is ridiculous.
A month looking through reviews and blogs and comparisons, and none of them where half as useful as yours. Thank you!
Also, it was eerily on point on the cameras i was indecisive about. so thank you twice!
What a SUPERB review! Wow this is really awesome. I’ve watched a ton of reviews lately and narrowing down to a pocketable or GX Panny....this review is just stellar, well done!
Being a Lumix user for 5 years now, i find the GX85 the best bang for the money in all the interchangeable lens line-up!! Firstly, it is the cheapest 5-axis stabilization for video in the camera market in general.Secondly, I prefer the tilting screen instead of the full-articulated for photos. Its easy, quick and unnoticeable .Also i don't vlog so i don't need it to record myself. Third, no low-pass filter. Lastly, smaller than the g85/g7/gh4/gh5/gx8 so better for travel. The only problem is the mic port which is an easy fix with an external recorder like Zoom H1. You can find the body for 350$ brand new these days.
Steven Wright does a surprisingly informative camera review.
“Nothing on this camera impresses me”
*A few years later the GX80/GX85 is endlessly praised by both photographers and filmmakers for its big list of features and capabilities even to this day*
Don’t let this video refrain you from buying a GX80/GX85, there are countless videos showing off it’s capabilities and is the most capable of the bunch in this video. Man talks about pocketable and decides to stick an adapted full frame lens on it or the Lumix 12-60mm instead of using the Lumix 12-32mm pancake zoom that comes with the GX80/GX85 that’s sharper than the lens on the LX100. Then proceeds to test its low light performance with an f/2.8 lens when the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 II exist at an affordable price. I have no idea how he came to the conclusion that the GX80/GX85 was a let down when there are so many videos even new ones in 2022 endlessly praising the thing.
Seems like you went into this video already biased towards one camera. This is by far the worst comparison video I’ve seen to date. But to each their own I guess.
Hard agree. I have a LX10, GX85 and many lenses, including Olympus f1.8 primes, and the GX85 is so versatile and unobtrusive. The only issues I have with this camera are the lack of decent grip, and low bitrate 1080 50p.
Well done, really enjoy the parameters you used as well as the esthetics you applied to each camera.
Very, very good work. Thanks a lot. That was really helpful. I guess, it'll be the LX15 for me now.
Hey! Did you take the LX15??
Is it worth buying now in 2020?
@@ManDavid12 No, I did not. Insead I've got me a Fuji XE2. It is slightly bigger but very good glasses are available.
The GX85 comes with a 12-32 kit lens why not shoot with that
As a GX85 owner, you did it an injustice. I agree with a commenter, sticking a zoom lens on it and trying to fit into a jeans pocket was a bit silly. It comes with a 12-32 lens that compresses to the size of a pancake lens. But each to his own. I agree a camera needs to feel right for a potential owner to buy it.
Okay, this is the best review of the LX10.
I really liked your video! I watched hundreds of camera reviews and I thought did a great job. I agree with your comments about the lx10. I love the lx100 and I'll probably get another one after selling it a little while back. It's my favorite camera in so many ways.
+mystorykim thank you
I've been using LX10 since 2017, and after two years the touch capabilities went off along with the screen in all but the default position. Seems the connection cable inside the hinge gets wrecked by constant use. Overall, I love that camera though and I wish Panasonic came up with a successor - full sensor readout in video and a mic jack, preferably.
wow that is kinda disappointing, the LX10 is a great camera & a cinematic portable beast at that time ( i dont know now)...I still have mine after buying it in June 2018.
@@gilean6179 now I can't use it anymore, because either the lens or the sensor eventually got soiled with dust and dirt particles and they appear on all photos and videos. I had to replace LX10 with Canon G7X mk3
@@radiozelaza yes, i think the designs of these compacts just sucks too much dust in the process. Im sure the G7x mk3 is a very capable camera...i also looked at that line a few years back.
@@gilean6179 well I wish Panasonic just made LX10 mark 2 or an LX20 or something, but I guess they completely killed that line of cameras
@@radiozelaza yeah..agree. an LX20 with probably better autofocus & sealing.
Would you recommend the lx10 in 2020, and how is it's macro abilities. Btw love the video really informative.
Great video, I like it because of the clear way you’ve compared the cameras. I’m looking at buying a compact travel camera and the simple and clear way that you’ve made this video has helped me a lot.One thing I would have liked to see is more still image comparisons.
Looking forward to seeing more videos from yourself. Thanks.
I think you are very harsh about the GX85. For a start it has both in-camera AND lens stabilisation (by far the best in class) which is why it is heavier. It also has an excellent pancake retractable kit lens which gives it good balance. If you put massive lenses on any small camera what do you expect? You can attach a cheap and good microphone to the GX85's hot shoe. Problem solved. The GX85 is Micro Four Thirds vs 1 inch on the LX10. Sounds like you want miracles. Both these cameras are way better image wise than the waterproof Olympus. You seem obsessed with extreme slow motion. In which case you can buy a dedicated video camera which has that function.
The GX85 IS pocketable but if you insist on shoving a huge lens on it then of course it won't fit. You then complain that the LX100 is pocketable but then say its controls are too fiddly. Come on - be reasonable! The LX100 is a great camera, but the poor focussing ability you claim on the GX85 is partly because you probably have it set to constant preview which will make most cameras more sluggish to focus. You can assign a back focus button to almost any camera and the problem is solved. The GX85 does not cost $1000. I bought mine for under HALF that (street price) including the kit lens.
they all talk about the lense on the lx100, but when I zoom in on the pictures/jpegs they are mushy. Some people say they did not notice and they where shooting raw..... The sony RX100 II seams to have better image quality. I dont know
The LX100 is great for strobists. Hotshoe, 1/4000 shutter sync, 24-75mm fast lens, RAW. Nice when combined with the Nissin or Goddox off camera flash systems. For video, use the Shure VP83F mic. Love the LX100 for everyday and travel!
While the LX100 is great for strobist this review was geared toward just a pocket-able camera you can use daily. I love the LX100 and hope they update it soon.
REALLY awesome review. Thanks.
Now need to decide between LX10 and TZ100/TZ200... more zoom (usefulnesses) or better quality and control with limited reach...
I have the LX10 for 6 months now. First time for me in the Panasonic System. Totally happy with the LX10, I have coupled it with the Zhiyun Crane M. Now Im looking to getting a TZ100 or TZ200. Im looking for reviews if somebody has taken this route before or if it is just a silly mistake to get both.
@@gilean6179 did you get the tz100 ? How does it compare
@@andreatilli6227 yes I got the ZS-220 (TZ200 outside North America) 2 years ago. I f you just have an LX 10 and Zs-220, it will be fine. However, I also have an old 70D, 100D and a bunch of STM canon lenses and of course their bokeh beats the Zs220 all the time. But if you are not particular with tIat and want to go the portability route I had in mind then the LX10 +ZS220 combo like I did is good.
What did you mean "the aperture cannot be changed" in the GX85?
so lx10 the winner?
Nice review but what you didn't mention about the LX100 is that it has a leaf shutter and therefore it is the only camera in this group to have high speed flash sync and can realistically be used for off-camera flash in sunny conditions.
Each camera had specialty features others could not match. To keep the review short I had to pick and choose. I felt the lx100 balance and control were the stand out features others could not match. But you are correct the lx100 is a great camera.
Technically the other two compacts would have leaf shutters too, just no hotshoe so only the built-in flash
Great and informative video. Helped me make my decision, thanks alot! 👍
LX10 noise reduction does the thing you like, not the 1.4. LX100 is way more detailed, despite noise.
I think the low light high ISO test is funny. You choose a 2.8 lens for the GX85, say it's $1000 implying that should make up for its being a smaller aperture instead of using options like any of the sub $400 1.7 primes. A low light test with different apertures is a bit silly. Other comparisons were fine, but that one made me cringe.
Thank you Rob; your video did help me!
This is a great video. I love the mix of practical information on size, weight and pocketablility mixed with low light stills and video tests. Great job. I love Lumix cameras. I have G85 and a Leica D-Lux 6 (Lumix LX7). I wish LX10 had an EVF option. I’m still stuck between the portability of LX10 verses larger sensor of LX100.
I am in the same boat as you mate. I have a LX7 and looking for a proper upgrade.
The genius of the M43 system are the compact lenses including the pancakes, yet you stick a zoom lens on it to show it doesn’t fit into a pocket?? I can’t take your review seriously.
Yeh why not put the 20mm 1.7 on? A bit more sensible than a adapted 50mm, or a 12-35 because you did want pocketable right?
The 20mm 1.7 paired to my GX85 makes this camera discrete, with results that surprise even myself as a beginner. I agree, Tahu, the 20mm is an excellent pairing to the GX85.
Tg-5 raw files are directly accessible by Photoshop and lightroom.
Hahaha at 8:20 ish I realised you had the best Meth cook around! The great Walter White!
Should have had the GX85 with the kit 11-32 compact zoom. Not sure why you compared it with the others with the massive lenses fitted. This camera is best fitted with compact lenses. I have both the LX100MkII and GX80. For me the GX80 is the better camera with flash, tilting screen and an EVF.
To work with Olympus .orf download Adobe’s free dng (digital negative) converter. Another option is Affinity Photo.
nice comparison video... thanks 👍👍👍👍
what flaw comparisons. GX80/85 is the best (with good f1.4to 2.8 lens) followed by LX100; because of sensory size m43 vs 1" lx10/15. Images are tact sharper compared to lx10/15 in low lights.
The LX 10 is better, so shut up about this.
I think adobe has support for the tg5 now. Don't the other cameras you tested have issues with sensor dust? I skimmed through the video and may have missed it if your indeed raised the issue - but yeh, sensor dust seems like a biggie for me.
Depends on the version of your software. Either way, there is a converter to convert from the camera's RAW file to Adobe's Digital Negative Raw (DNG) file if needed.
The Lx10/15 needs a CLASS 10 U3 card, not a "class 3" card.
Hi,
where did you find lx100 under $600?
Good point... I got the international version for $569, Panasonic warranty service is not that great from my history with them...
rob image what the difference between the international camera 📷 , and the one not internationally?
mostly its the video shooting modes. 25p vs 30p... 50p vs 60p... you can change the functionality of the camera by pressing a combination of buttons and restarting the camera... plenty of videos on youtube about changing Lumix to and from international versions
skyonic01 I am sorry for the a lot of questions, but can you copy link 🔗 of video . I don't know what I should write.
@@skyonic01 Do you mean you can hack the lx100 to change its settings?
All excellent cameras.
What tripod did you attach to the Panasonic LX10 ?
Manfrotto MTPIXIEVO-RD PIXI EVO 2
odd you compare pocketability, long Lens fitted to GX 80 against basically compact cameras? . first bad review I've seen on the GX 80 . it seems you went into this review already deciding which camera you preferred, hardly unbiased.
Champion vs vice champion vs veteran vs rookie
I guess you don't use EVF much? That is my only grip with the LX10. No EVF and not even the option for an external one, like Panny had with the LX7. I have the Leica D-LUX 6 (same as LX7) and I'd love to have a 1" or 4/3" sensor, but I also want EVF and pocketable...so, nothing for me yet. I wonder if anyone will put a 1" sensor in one of the tough/waterproof cameras. That may be interesting.
Nikon 1 AW1 had a 1" sensor and was supposedly waterproof. Fast AF and very good IQ. Good price by today's standards
only everyone with an expensive phone has 4K. more than i would ever spend on a phone. rather buy a camera.
Nice review. Too bad the Canon G7 X ii wasn't included. With a good hand grip its handling beats the LX10's; the Canon's LCD screen is more versatile and the zoom range is longer. The lens ring can be set for smooth or clickable use. It only suffers being f/1.8 vs. f/1.4 and lack of 4K (whatever that is :) ). I am biased toward Canon colors also.
My first camera was a Canon AE1. I have had some kind of Canon product with me ever since. But 4k is delicious, the ability to zoom in and re-crop as if I were shooting on film too me is equal to power windows and door locks on a car. It just should be standard. I will be first inline to buy a Canon pocketable 4K image machine.
I had a GX7 II and debated about throwing it into the ring. But I have to say Canon needs to get there video features sorted out. I also found the GX7 II needs some color editing in camera as the colors come out a bit too rich, especially the reds.
The fact that you are comparing the TG-5 to the GX85 shows that you are not familiar with the intended purpose of the cameras you review. I own both a GX85 and a TG-4. One is for serious photography, the other when I am banging around in my kayak. Do you know which is which? I don't mean to be condescending, but your comparison is ridiculous.
So you conclude that the *LX10* has better overall image quality than the *LX100* ?? That's debatable to say the least.
No it's not debatable, The LX10 is better, so deal with it.
@@thewalkingvloggingman7152 😄
Opinions are great.
Comparing apples with pears is useless. Do not confuse future owners of MFT cameras..
Stfu
Useless for me