I don't like the barrel shrouds on the new ones. I think that the fact that SW can't torque the barrels on straight and correctly says they are not committed to quality. They are only chasing the $$$ now.
@@lynnkramer1211 I agree. The new designs are done as manufacturing cost cutting methods to increase profits. Just like new cars being made almost totally out of plastic.
@@1248dl I'm no gunsmith but it makes sense to me. I do understand that barrels on guns experience vibrations when firing and under certain conditions the vibrations can affect accuracy. Besides, Dan Wesson knows a hell of a lot more about guns than I do. LoL
This is true about almost everything. Firearms, music, cars, watches, furniture, guitars, etc. Even people were generally higher quality in the past. I miss the 20th century.
@@mirrorblue100 Raw materials to make things cost a lot these days. Labor costs a lot too. In order to manufacture a product and stay profitable, they need to cut corners on quality and materials to stay in business. A Smith revolver made like back in the 70's would cost you 2k or more to buy today new. Nobody would buy them.
@B_R_ : You gotta get out more. I was born in 1949 before TV was present, and was wide awake and became well educated. I think that MOST people are smarter and wiser and KINDER NOW than they ever were in the 20th Century! Probably because they are far less racist now, and can learn from anyone.....................elsullo
All mine are older...Bought a 6 inch 19-3 used, that wouldn't work.. in '73...Living in Springfield back then...I called S&W, figuring if I put some money into it, I'm still ahead of the game...Secretary say's "what's wrong with the gun?"...I tell her..She say's "bring the gun over.. stop at the guard shack., they will direct you up to the main building...see whoever's at the desk,, ask for a guy named "Fran"...I stop at the guard shack,, guy comes out,, say's "What's goin' on?".. I hold the gun up by the butt..say "I was told to bring the gun over"...He sends me up to the main building.."Fran comes out,, checks the gun out..say's "let me have this for a while" takes the gun out back..20 minutes later,, new ejector rod,, adjusted timing, new firing pin bushing..Hands me the gun.. say's "No charge..see ya later"..Gun hasn't missed a beat since then,, loves .38 Specials..If I pulled up to guard shack now and held up a revolver..I'd probably look like a really bad pizza....
1974 I bought my first firearm, a 4" Model 19 to carry on-duty. It came with target hammer and trigger, but the safety strap on my Bianchi 5BL holster wouldn't fit over the wide hammer. I drove up to Temecula from San Diego to the Bianchi factory. 10 minutes later, after meeting some nice employees, the snap had been moved and that fine holster fit my fine sidearm. That was one of my favorite holsters and that M-19 served me well.
in Finland it's the buyer's market. Revolvers are not at all trendy or hip in 2024 but the old dudes who bought them in the 60's-70's are now selling theirs. Very often at very reasonable prices and they are often in mint condition.
I'm glad you have access to revolvers in Finland! The only revolver I have is Charter Arms, but the original ones from the 70s are accurate while being cheap and dependable workhorses. I'll get a S&W someday
Yeap, there aren't any guns for sale cheap in Oklahoma, revolvers are through the roof. Mixup 98 is all ways getting great deals at pawn shops, where I live used guns cost more than new ones and if you try to buy one at an auction they go even higher.
Carried the Smith Model 15 Combat Masterpiece. 38 for 13 years in patrol until they made me go to a Beretta 92. Never felt undergunned with the revolver.
Hello Terry. I carried a Smith Model 10 for several years (1984-85) when I worked security for the federal government. We then switched to the S&W Model 681 .357 magnum, although we continued to carry .38 Special +P loads. I was kinda glad when we eventually switched to the Sig P226 9mm.
The grumpy "old timers" in LAPD were still carrying the model 15 (some of them at least) in 1990 before I finally left Southern Kalifornia, well after they'd moved over to the Beretta 92.
Most of my Smith's are older including a couple pre-model number guns , but I have three newer ones . My 686-6 seven shot , a 638-3 and my 629 three inch barrel. They are fine guns , I haven't had any issues with them, but I enjoy the older ones more. You have a nice selection of smith's, thanks for showing them and taking us along
Very nice collection of Smiths you have there. Older models made of forged parts. Newer guns made with MIM parts. Quality control on the older models had a higher standard. S&W started cutting cost when they stopped making their magnum revolvers without a pinned barrels and recessed cylinders. Other models lost their pinned barrel also. Yesteryear models also had color case hardened hammers and triggers. Thanks for the video. I also love old S&W revolvers. Enjoyed that video! 🤠
All my older S&W revolvers are much better quality overall than the new ones---hands down! This is especially true of the bluing and finish. Counter sinking of the case heads in the cylinder should also be brought back!
Don't forget the pinned barrels. Every time the economy takes a dive, gun companies are forced to cut corners on quality to stay profitable. We, the consumer suffer for it by getting crappy quality for a higher price.
@@skylordsix The 27 is a beautiful piece! I own it's brother the Model 28 Highway Patrolman in mint shape. The finish is not as pretty on the 28 because they were made for police use, but it's the same gun otherwise. That N frame .357 is so nice to shoot. It's so big and heavy it tames the recoil of any .357 round you feed it. I was lucky to find mine used in a local gun shop and got a super deal on it. This was over 25 years ago. I'll never part with it.
Yeaaaah! Another Mixup89 video! Woot! Your video comes right after getting my first Smiths. I bought a 642 no lock, 37 chiefs special no lock, and a 66 4" no lock. I just landed a job at a local gunshop recently. Job is great, doing good work. I sold 7 guns in 2 days and I've never done sales before. Saving up cuz in 2 years I'm moving....to BEAUTIFUL, SUNNY. SOUTHERN NEVADA! ❤
Awesome....I love your comment! I'm glad to hear that you love your job and congratulations on selling 7 guns in 2 days. You are starting off with a very nice S&W collection. You are going to love southern Nevada. We have millions of acres of public land that you will be able to shoot on. Hopefully the next two years will go by fast for you.
@@mixup98thank you sir. I look forward to it! I will still be in Nevada in October. I try to go twice a year. I love it so much there. I'll keep myself busy in my work, doing what I love. I never get tired of your videos. You're my favorite YT channel.
Old Smith & Wesson revolvers are really fine guns. I have 586, still with the firing pin on the hammer. I'd never get rid of this gun. My father has an Highway Patrolman. Really nice gun. Action is even smoother than my 586. He also bought an old model 36, new in the box, never fired, some years ago. Excellent little gun.
@@normanmallory2055 Great. Mine is a bit more recent. Early 90's I think. A 4" barrel. I bought it used fifteen years ago at least, beautiful condition. It had really nice Hogue cocobolo/rosewood grips on it. Looks fantastic.
Rosewood or Cocobolo wood are both excellent choices to add a better grip and more of a correct angle ! 6 years ago I added a set of V Z Grips to my 586 with tactical diamonds and really like how well it handles now !
I carried a 2-1/2" Model 19 for a number of years when I worked for the state. They are tough, rough, and ready sidearms. We had to carry .38 Special +P ammo in them, but i never felt disadvantaged by that. Love that Model 29 - a classic among classics. Stay safe out there.
I own a "gen 1" Model 29 (5", blued) and a model 586 (6", blued) and I love them. Very well made, excellent shooters. But the even older models (with the pin locking the barrel) I like even more.
Ive been watching Guntube a long time and just in case you didn't know, you will always be my absolute favorite. No memes, no shilling. Just a wise man in the desert. Greetings from Tennessee
I have what you would call a gen 1 629, have had it since 1982. I just recently acquired a gen 1 686 for the 629s little brother. Absolutely love them both.
My 629 is a gen 1 1982! Classic Hunter non flutted cylinder , mine fell in a run of 2,000 classic hunters ! Prior to that I found a fine 586 , tight , very smooth and I love blued revolvers, just perfect!
i got my Model 36-3" in 1993. I still have it and is both my home defense and woods carry gun. I heard that it's now very much in demand and becoming a rare collector's item. Take good care of yours.
Sw customer service is pretty good. I would contact them about that front sight. They got me squared away with no cost. Mishaps do happen. It's how a company responds that makes a difference to me.
Wish my Uncle who was a dove hunter had taught me that but since he did teach me fly fishing I can’t complain!🙂. I will look around on you tube…thanks!
I have the model 60-9 .357 like yours. Difference is it was first year for J frame 357, cylinder is fluted, and does not have the lock on side. Consider it my premier carry revolver.
Thanks for taking us out shooting with those fine old revolvers! They spoke to me. I have a Blued 2 1/2" Model 19-5 that I carried on-duty on my garrison belt. I have a 642-1 that is slightly older than yours is, that I still carry quite often. It can be annoying to shoot, but it works! And everybody needs a Model 15 that was carried by Sacramento PD about 1974. Wow, what a great and accurate sidearm. Thanks again for taking us along on this fun outing.
Hello Frank. I have owned my Model 15 for almost a year and can you believe I haven't put more than a few rounds through it and I haven't even done a full review on it yet. I will load up some target loads and maybe do a video on it sometime this summer.
Here is my anecdote. the LE agency I'm employed by, in 2021, celebrated it's 100th anniversary. We had the option of buying a custom S&W model 66, 4"barrel 357mag with our agency logo engraved on one side where the S&W logo goes, and a commemorative inscription engraved down the side of the barrel. 109 were ordered. When we got the shipment in, 2 were missing the engraving, and 2 had the cylinder locked and it could not be moved at all. So, out of 109 guns, 4 were bad out of the box, and had to be returned. Also my brand new, M&P 12 was recalled the day after I bought it for a barrel defect. Now, I'm a huge S&W fan, but these experiences caused me to change out my rose-colored shooting glasses for more clear ones. I'm holding off on a FPC, because I'm waiting to see if it has serious defects before I buy one. IME, S&W revolvers, and guns in general, have recently had a sharp decline in quality. I'm hoping that, with their retreat to Tennessee, they will settle into improving their quality again.
Around 2018. Purchased a brand new S&W 380 Bodyguard. Magazine was dropping out while firing. Sent it back three times and they kept returning it unrepaired. Very frustrating.
The one brand new S&W revolver I bought (in 2018) would not work for nothing right out of the box. It had to be sent back to S&W CS. It came back working, but beat to Hell. Holy cow! It must have taken many tries for them to fix it and make it work right consistently. I never trusted the gun after that and dumped it at a huge loss because it was so beat up by S&W CS. Lesson learned: Stick to the older S&W revolvers. Never had a problem with any older one.
Gotta love the old K frames! My pre-M15 Combat Masterpiece was made in 1952 for Missouri State Police; it has a 5 inch barrel. I inherited Dad’s pre-M14 K38 Masterpiece, also made in 1952 w/ 6 inch barrel. I like the M27-2 I bought in 1975, and the early 70’s M66 no dash. My wife’s old duty M66-4 and her J frames are fine; my Mountain Gun is fun. But the old K’s are my favorites.
Old Smith's with target triggers and Target hammers went through the Custom Shop. All of it was hand fitted and polished. 8lb double action and 2 1/2+- single action. A crisp wall and intuitive. You can feel when it will break. Nope. Not selling but thanks for asking.😁
I've had 24 S&W's all 1st generation. I had 1 problem with one of them. Otherwise, flawless performance from the lot. If I were to buy another Smith, there is one feature that would be a decisive factor. That would be the 2-piece barrel. I don't give a shit how good it's supposed to be, I don't want it. I want a one piece, forged barrel, properly fitted, end of story. I prefer a hammer mounted firing pin. Rugers have had frame mounted firing pins for years wth no problem but I prefer the older S&W style. I like recessed chambers also. So, if I were to shop for another revolver, I'd follow your method & keep my eyes open for a good deal on a used one.
Honestly I’m just planning on getting a Rock Island Armory M206 since it’s a good quality revolver for less than $300. Then I’ll save up to get a Chiappa rhino, no idea why people have any hate towards them. They’re the smoothest firing revolver I’ve ever fired and I’ve fired a few dozen smiths, colts, and others.
Hello ShockerTopper. As you may know I have owned a Rock Island M206 for about four years and I've done several videos on it. It has been a great firearm and I don't have any complaints against it, and it is well worth the price.
I think I have been subscribed to your channel for close to 10 years. Your content has always been to the point, full of information and fun. All the best. Thanks for all your efforts !!
I have a Model 10-4 and a Model 10-5 both from the early sixties, two Model 64s from the late 80's/early 90's, a Model 686 from 2001, and a 639 and a 642 that are both post 2020 manufacture. They all shoot great, and have been 100% reliable. I'd have no hesitation buying a new S&W revolver, but the older ones sure are prettier. The polished stainless finish on my "old" 686 is gorgeous, especially compared to the matte finishes on my newer guns. I'm super jealous of your Model 10 with the nickel plating. Mine are both blued, and while they're still great guns, 60 years of wear really shows on blued finishes. Just about my favorite thing to do at the range is to setup my duelling trees and challenge somebody with that pair of Model 64s.
My dad had a model 10 when I was a young kid, and it was identical to the one shown in this video. His old model 10 was the first handgun I ever fired and I immediately fell in love with it when I shot it. I found my current nickel plated model 10 in a pawn shop last year and it brought back a lot of good memories when I handled it. As you can see I bought that old .38 and I will own it till the day I die. I would love to find a nice 64 someday and do a review on it.
Finally bought my first S&W yesterday! A 3" 60-15. I'd been needing a another decent revolver ever since I stupidly sold my ruger speed six years ago. I keep my gun collection pretty slim these days but always keep at least one revolver around and it's been an EAA Windicator for the past several years. Decent gun, but I always wanted to have something nicer around.. Especially after owning that ruger. I wasn't even looking for a new revolver but the new Smith really just caught my eye. I like them smaller and had always really liked the idea of a 3". I always found 2" a little short and 4" a little long. The smith just ticked all of the boxes, I was able to work out a fair deal and went for it! I was actually shopping around for a very small semi auto, no bigger than a kimber micro 9.. That and a mini 14. I guess the Smith kind of checks the small carry gun box but it was more impulse than anything. Of course Colorado has that stupid 3 day waiting period now so I'll be picking it up on wednesday.. Planning on transferring my EAA to a friend when I go to pick it up. He recently turned 21 and it'll be his first handgun. I think it's a solid start.. Pretty similar to the first handgun I every bought, a taurus 856.
Supposedly with manufacturing processes the newer ones are better but I disagree. I think back in the day people cared a little bit more when making them. Sort of like cooking with love I think the difference is noticeable.
Thank you guys! Always interesting stuff here. I have no idea, or explanation, as to why I shy away from revolvers. The only one I have is my grandfather's Army Colt .45 DA, from WW2. (He served as a radio technician on several destroyers.) I'll have to look up the serial to see when it was made. My gunsmith should probably check it for safety, they I'll shoot a few rounds in his honor on Memorial Day.
I like and prefer the pre-lock hammer firing pin models best! Have only one new gen 629 Classic 5 inch 44 magnum and it’s just not the same as the older ones 🇺🇸
The answer is "Yes, they are!". I have quite a few surplus S&W old police revolvers and they are better made, fitted and quality in every way. They shoot great, accurate, good lockup, timing, everything. The newer stuff is not as well made. Good thing S&W has good warranty service.
I had to add this one: I purchased a new in the (wooden) box M-29 w/4" barrel back in 1976....Only one problem....It had a barrel from a .41 Magnum screwed into the frame.
i have two s&w m10 4” and one s&w m36 3”, all blued, gen1, and absolutely superb shooters. my only complaint is the high cost of 38sp ammo relative to 9mm, as i am unable to reload. icons of america’s golden age.
I have a no-lock 642 Performance Center that I bought new last year for $609. I haven't shot it yet. I later found a couple of minor defects: a scratch and screw marks (reamer marks, maybe?), inside two of the cylinders, respectively. It's too much of a PITA to send it back where I live, and I doubt it will cause functioning issues, but it's not the kind of QC that I expect from S&W. The Altamont Falconia grips they put on were very poorly installed as well, but I'll be replacing those at a later date with a solid wood pair from Altamont anyways, so that's no big deal. Hopefully their move to (Tennessee?) will result in better QC. But it looks like there may be some dark times ahead for S&W. Unfortunately, it's inevitable with many gun companies, and it's probably a sign that they need to go back to the drawing board on a lot of things. A good start would be better QC and getting rid of that damn internal lock on all of their revolvers, rather than just the DAO ones. Thanks for the video Mixup!
I have a collection of older Smith, and I agree with you, they are so skillfully crafted, well made and accurate. As long as the pistol hasn't been abused, you can't go wrong with the older Smiths. They (Imo) are the finest mass production pistols made in the world. there are a few that come close or in the same level of quality, however, they were not produced on the same level of mass production as the Smiths. Peace - Dave
Unquestionably, yes. I've been in the gun industry for many years as a gunsmith and machinist. The styling of the newer guns does not begin to compare to the older ones. They've become bland, sterile and unpleasant looking. The internal lock feature, which does indeed malfunction, is simply offensive. It's way past time to get rid of it. The MIM parts look cheap. Like toy gun parts, and they do break. The double action sear is no longer pinned into the hammer, and this can lead to a malfunction where it's spring becomes unseated and takes the gun out of action. I have one newer style Smith, which is the 351C, because it's such a unique niche weapon. It at least has not been violently sodomized with the internal lock. But I only have it because it was an extremely low price. I have many older Smiths. They ARE still making interesting designs, but they're quite disappointing compared to the older ones. If they would return to incorporating the classic styling to everything, I have no doubt it would be extremely well received. I've had literally thousands of people tell me how much they hate the internal lock and the MIM parts and styling changes over the years. An absolutely terrible and foolish decision on the part of Smith & Wesson. Time to fix it. The people who want revolvers want classics.
Awesome cool video many thumbs up. I like the revolvers also. Consider doing a video on what to look for and to tell if the older revolvers are in good shape when buying a used one. Happy Mother's Day to everyone. God bless all.
The firing pin changed in the late 90s I think, as far as quality of new guns, pride and quality is lacking to say the least, always enjoy your videos. 🇺🇲🇺🇲
I have a blued Model 10 .38 that I bought from a friend in 1978 for $100. Every time I see him he offers to buy it back. Needless to say I still have it. It's the perfect night stand gun.
At the very least, tell him if you ever consider selling it, he'll or his children/grandchildren will have first option on it. I'm already marking my tools for who I want them to go to...my wife does however have final say. Some tools have significant value. New motto for the 2A community. Friends don't let friends go unarmed.🙂
Great collection of S&W revolvers ! Mine are 1980 , 1982 and 2011 which is the 617 which is 10 round in .22LR! One model I would like to find is the model 15 to add to the fine model 17 !
When S+W started using MIM parts in 1996 it was all down hill from there. Today’s S+W handguns 1 in 5 have to go back for service. Cracked frames stuck triggers crooked barrels and so on. Let’s not even talk about the lock. But it’s not just S+W it’s most gun manufacturers today. It’s sad. Always buy old. Gunsmiths are a thing of the past now it’s piece workers. Throw the part in and get out the door as fast as you can and let the buyer worry about it.
I own a 686 Plus and a Model 28-2 Highway Patrolman. Both 6in. I love my 686 but my Model 28...thats some good ol fashioned American Murder Steel right there.
I have several Smiths and I really enjoy them all. My daughter has a Ruger GP100 and I'm pretty sure aside from a very low end .22 revolver I bought while in college I don't have any non-Smith wheel guns. Thanks!
Definitely a nice collection of revolvers. Smith & Wesson went downhill for a few years when they were sold to Bangor punta. One nice thing about the firing pin attached to the hammer is that if the firing pin wears down it is easy to replace.
Our older Smiths had a better action but the tooling on the new ones are excellent. Kimber’s K6 is as good if not superior by it’s flawless workmanship. Semper Fi🇺🇸🎉
I seems like nowadays, the older things are, the better they are......... Just like us Mixup. 😉 I hope that doesn't "offend" anyone, lol. Congratulations on the great collection. As time passes by we have seen S&W start to "borrow" ideas from KelTec and other companies. That's a big warning sign for me. Apparently, young designers and engineers can't come up with new quality ideas and concepts, so they "borrow" something that is trendy from little companies that dare to be innovative. As someone that was brought up through the military with S&W revolvers and then purchased my own S&W firearms, it's all very disappointing.
Another great video.. Was taught long ago not to dry fire "TOO" much with an empty cylinder and hammer mounted pin...You seem to be in great "hominy" with your desert environment . 😊 PS; Like the old S&Ws too. Carried and qualified with 10s, 15s & 19s.
I had the exact same issue with my M&P Bodyguard 38.... Plus mine had the built in laser grip that would get "out of Zero" in a couple of cylinders of firing....if the gun actually worked. Sold it after the first range visit...
Yeah I was just talking with a friend about a 649 in .357 I used to have. So that was one model that got better over time because it was only offered in .38 spl up to 1996. But anyways I had had a 3" barrel from a model 60 installed on it and it was machined for moon clips. It used to be my CC weapon for years.
That is an interesting question... I prefer older ones. I like the nostaligia of them, the "no-hillary-hole" frame, I like the steel ones better, and prefer blued or polished stainless to the dull finishes many have now. That said, my modern ones never let me down either. Just a preference to me. I like them all though :)
The problem with the M&P's cylinder comes from the idea of replacing the canonical pushing spur, the one that pushes the cylender and makes it turn, with the rotating star-like wheel So yes, now, it should be manually adjusted before making the first shot to make sure that the cylinder cam wheel goes in a full battery with the star wheel.
I’ll take all my older S&W revolvers all day, every day.
I don't like the barrel shrouds on the new ones. I think that the fact that SW can't torque the barrels on straight and correctly says they are not committed to quality. They are only chasing the $$$ now.
@@lynnkramer1211 I agree. The new designs are done as manufacturing cost cutting methods to increase profits. Just like new cars being made almost totally out of plastic.
@richb.4374 Dan Wesson showed, in silhouette competition, that the barrel torqued at both ends is more accurate.
@@1248dl I'm no gunsmith but it makes sense to me. I do understand that barrels on guns experience vibrations when firing and under certain conditions the vibrations can affect accuracy. Besides, Dan Wesson knows a hell of a lot more about guns than I do. LoL
Plastic cars are also needed to meet government regulations regarding mpg…weight reduction
This is true about almost everything.
Firearms, music, cars, watches, furniture, guitars, etc.
Even people were generally higher quality in the past.
I miss the 20th century.
By and large I agree with you - though I love my '21 Grand Cherokee. What do you think accounts for the loss of quality?
@@mirrorblue100 Raw materials to make things cost a lot these days. Labor costs a lot too. In order to manufacture a product and stay profitable, they need to cut corners on quality and materials to stay in business. A Smith revolver made like back in the 70's would cost you 2k or more to buy today new. Nobody would buy them.
@B_R_ : You gotta get out more. I was born in 1949 before TV was present, and was wide awake and became well educated. I think that MOST people are smarter and wiser and KINDER NOW than they ever were in the 20th Century! Probably because they are far less racist now, and can learn from anyone.....................elsullo
@elsullo2 you said it.
Me too! Well said friend.
Never lose the intro beam-down! It’s such a cute effect
Ya, the old guy is hip.
@@ShawnShipstad Mixup was there when the Enterprise first flew. Star Trek is almost 60 years old.
All mine are older...Bought a 6 inch 19-3 used, that wouldn't work.. in '73...Living in Springfield back then...I called S&W, figuring if I put some money into it, I'm still ahead of the game...Secretary say's "what's wrong with the gun?"...I tell her..She say's "bring the gun over.. stop at the guard shack., they will direct you up to the main building...see whoever's at the desk,, ask for a guy named "Fran"...I stop at the guard shack,, guy comes out,, say's "What's goin' on?".. I hold the gun up by the butt..say "I was told to bring the gun over"...He sends me up to the main building.."Fran comes out,, checks the gun out..say's "let me have this for a while" takes the gun out back..20 minutes later,, new ejector rod,, adjusted timing, new firing pin bushing..Hands me the gun.. say's "No charge..see ya later"..Gun hasn't missed a beat since then,, loves .38 Specials..If I pulled up to guard shack now and held up a revolver..I'd probably look like a really bad pizza....
When service after the sale actually meant something. Cool!
@@lightweight1974 110% correct.
Those were the good old days. Many such stories around and all true. I speak from personal experience.
1974 I bought my first firearm, a 4" Model 19 to carry on-duty. It came with target hammer and trigger, but the safety strap on my Bianchi 5BL holster wouldn't fit over the wide hammer. I drove up to Temecula from San Diego to the Bianchi factory. 10 minutes later, after meeting some nice employees, the snap had been moved and that fine holster fit my fine sidearm. That was one of my favorite holsters and that M-19 served me well.
Now THAT is customer service.
Older ones are definitely better quality.
just like men are
in Finland it's the buyer's market. Revolvers are not at all trendy or hip in 2024 but the old dudes who bought them in the 60's-70's are now selling theirs. Very often at very reasonable prices and they are often in mint condition.
What are the ownership laws for the common man in Finland?
I won't part with my revolvers. Too dependable.
I'm glad you have access to revolvers in Finland! The only revolver I have is Charter Arms, but the original ones from the 70s are accurate while being cheap and dependable workhorses. I'll get a S&W someday
My late father was issued with a model 10, 2 inch barrel .38 spl. He was in the Irish Police (Garda). RIP daddy.
I had an old model 10. Nice revolver, a real workhorse!
RIP to your dad. I was a police officer for 20 years. Those wheel gun toting cops were a different breed! Nothing but respect for them.
@@chadstack2539 Thank you for the kind comment 🙏
I couldn't agree with you more! I collect older Smith & Wesson revolvers, mostly from the 1970's. If it's not a pinned barrel, I pass on it.
The old ones in my area aren’t cheap, but I prefer them.
Yeap, there aren't any guns for sale cheap in Oklahoma, revolvers are through the roof. Mixup 98 is all ways getting great deals at pawn shops, where I live used guns cost more than new ones and if you try to buy one at an auction they go even higher.
I brought M27-3 that has 6" barrel nickel plate brand new in South Carolina in 1981 for $250.00 when I was GA resident. I love this gun too.
Back to back days with an upload.
You're on the ball, Mixup.
I have pre model 10 made in 1940 with 5" barrel blue and -5 stamped Wayne county nickel plate that look beautiful.
Carried the Smith Model 15 Combat Masterpiece. 38 for 13 years in patrol until they made me go to a Beretta 92. Never felt undergunned with the revolver.
Hello Terry. I carried a Smith Model 10 for several years (1984-85) when I worked security for the federal government. We then switched to the S&W Model 681 .357 magnum, although we continued to carry .38 Special +P loads. I was kinda glad when we eventually switched to the Sig P226 9mm.
The grumpy "old timers" in LAPD were still carrying the model 15 (some of them at least) in 1990 before I finally left Southern Kalifornia, well after they'd moved over to the Beretta 92.
Most of my Smith's are older including a couple pre-model number guns , but I have three newer ones . My 686-6 seven shot , a 638-3 and my 629 three inch barrel. They are fine guns , I haven't had any issues with them, but I enjoy the older ones more. You have a nice selection of smith's, thanks for showing them and taking us along
Very nice collection of Smiths you have there. Older models made of forged parts. Newer guns made with MIM parts. Quality control on the older models had a higher standard. S&W started cutting cost when they stopped making their magnum revolvers without a pinned barrels and recessed cylinders. Other models lost their pinned barrel also. Yesteryear models also had color case hardened hammers and triggers. Thanks for the video. I also love old S&W revolvers. Enjoyed that video! 🤠
All my older S&W revolvers are much better quality overall than the new ones---hands down! This is especially true of the bluing and finish. Counter sinking of the case heads in the cylinder should also be brought back!
No stupid key lock is what matters to me
Don't forget the pinned barrels. Every time the economy takes a dive, gun companies are forced to cut corners on quality to stay profitable. We, the consumer suffer for it by getting crappy quality for a higher price.
@@richb.4374 The Model 27 I own has both. Bought it in 1977 when I turned 21. It is an absolute joy to take to the range.
@@skylordsix The 27 is a beautiful piece! I own it's brother the Model 28 Highway Patrolman in mint shape. The finish is not as pretty on the 28 because they were made for police use, but it's the same gun otherwise. That N frame .357 is so nice to shoot. It's so big and heavy it tames the recoil of any .357 round you feed it. I was lucky to find mine used in a local gun shop and got a super deal on it. This was over 25 years ago. I'll never part with it.
I've got a Smith & Wesson 38 snub nose from the late 70s early 80s I guess
The blueing finishe is soooooo damn good
Yeaaaah! Another Mixup89 video! Woot! Your video comes right after getting my first Smiths. I bought a 642 no lock, 37 chiefs special no lock, and a 66 4" no lock. I just landed a job at a local gunshop recently. Job is great, doing good work. I sold 7 guns in 2 days and I've never done sales before. Saving up cuz in 2 years I'm moving....to BEAUTIFUL, SUNNY. SOUTHERN NEVADA! ❤
Awesome....I love your comment! I'm glad to hear that you love your job and congratulations on selling 7 guns in 2 days. You are starting off with a very nice S&W collection. You are going to love southern Nevada. We have millions of acres of public land that you will be able to shoot on. Hopefully the next two years will go by fast for you.
@@mixup98thank you sir. I look forward to it! I will still be in Nevada in October. I try to go twice a year. I love it so much there. I'll keep myself busy in my work, doing what I love. I never get tired of your videos. You're my favorite YT channel.
Old Smith & Wesson revolvers are really fine guns. I have 586, still with the firing pin on the hammer. I'd never get rid of this gun.
My father has an Highway Patrolman. Really nice gun. Action is even smoother than my 586. He also bought an old model 36, new in the box, never fired, some years ago. Excellent little gun.
That’s the same way I feel about my 586 mine is a 1982 ! Excellent revolver!
@@normanmallory2055 Great. Mine is a bit more recent. Early 90's I think. A 4" barrel. I bought it used fifteen years ago at least, beautiful condition. It had really nice Hogue cocobolo/rosewood grips on it. Looks fantastic.
Rosewood or Cocobolo wood are both excellent choices to add a better grip and more of a correct angle !
6 years ago I added a set of V Z Grips to my 586 with tactical diamonds and really like how well it handles now !
Daylight muzzle flash from a .38 is impressive! Love the nickel plated Smiths.
I carried a 2-1/2" Model 19 for a number of years when I worked for the state. They are tough, rough, and ready sidearms. We had to carry .38 Special +P ammo in them, but i never felt disadvantaged by that. Love that Model 29 - a classic among classics. Stay safe out there.
I have a 19-1 built in the 60's that my grandfather gave me 30+ years ago that has a better trigger than any newer models I have shot.
I own a "gen 1" Model 29 (5", blued) and a model 586 (6", blued) and I love them.
Very well made, excellent shooters.
But the even older models (with the pin locking the barrel) I like even more.
You can't buy anything even approaching that Nickel Model 10 new nowadays, for almost any price.
Am in England, enjoying some thunder and rain after a hot day.
I never tire of you beaming in! Love that! Great video. I wish S&W would get rid of that key lock hole. I really don’t care for it.
You and me both!
Ive been watching Guntube a long time and just in case you didn't know, you will always be my absolute favorite. No memes, no shilling. Just a wise man in the desert. Greetings from Tennessee
I have a Model 65-2 that I inherited from my mother. The quality and hand-crafted precision is unmatched.
"Unmatched". You should try a French Manurhin or a Korth when you ever have the chance. The craftsmanship outmatches any S&W revolver.
I've carried a S&W M65-3 for several years. A really good gun!
Very nice collection mixup. I don't own a S&W but I have a Ruger GP100 and SP101 both .357. I also have a Wrangler .22 that's a fun plinker.
Old Smiths are simply better.
I like how this man opens the action and safety checks the the guns to verify that they are not loaded.
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I have what you would call a gen 1 629, have had it since 1982. I just recently acquired a gen 1 686 for the 629s little brother. Absolutely love them both.
My 629 is a gen 1 1982!
Classic Hunter non flutted cylinder , mine fell in a run of 2,000 classic hunters !
Prior to that I found a fine 586 , tight , very smooth and I love blued revolvers, just perfect!
I have a S&W model 36 3” barrel and I carry it everyday. I have fired thousands of rounds since I bought it in 1990, and I never had an issue.
i got my Model 36-3" in 1993. I still have it and is both my home defense and woods carry gun.
I heard that it's now very much in demand and becoming a rare collector's item. Take good care of yours.
@@robertonavarro7713 My bluing is in perfect condition, and I carry it everyday.
I really like the older revolvers a lot better great collection thanks for sharing 👍🇺🇸
Sw customer service is pretty good. I would contact them about that front sight. They got me squared away with no cost. Mishaps do happen. It's how a company responds that makes a difference to me.
Wish my Uncle who was a dove hunter had taught me that but since he did teach me fly fishing I can’t complain!🙂. I will look around on you tube…thanks!
I have the model 60-9 .357 like yours. Difference is it was first year for J frame 357, cylinder is fluted, and does not have the lock on side. Consider it my premier carry revolver.
Thanks for taking us out shooting with those fine old revolvers! They spoke to me. I have a Blued 2 1/2" Model 19-5 that I carried on-duty on my garrison belt. I have a 642-1 that is slightly older than yours is, that I still carry quite often. It can be annoying to shoot, but it works! And everybody needs a Model 15 that was carried by Sacramento PD about 1974. Wow, what a great and accurate sidearm.
Thanks again for taking us along on this fun outing.
Hello Frank. I have owned my Model 15 for almost a year and can you believe I haven't put more than a few rounds through it and I haven't even done a full review on it yet. I will load up some target loads and maybe do a video on it sometime this summer.
Recently I purchased a S&W K15-3 38 Special with a 4 inch barrel manufactured in 1972 for $425. It's as fine as any revolver I have ever test fired.
Here is my anecdote. the LE agency I'm employed by, in 2021, celebrated it's 100th anniversary. We had the option of buying a custom S&W model 66, 4"barrel 357mag with our agency logo engraved on one side where the S&W logo goes, and a commemorative inscription engraved down the side of the barrel. 109 were ordered. When we got the shipment in, 2 were missing the engraving, and 2 had the cylinder locked and it could not be moved at all. So, out of 109 guns, 4 were bad out of the box, and had to be returned. Also my brand new, M&P 12 was recalled the day after I bought it for a barrel defect. Now, I'm a huge S&W fan, but these experiences caused me to change out my rose-colored shooting glasses for more clear ones. I'm holding off on a FPC, because I'm waiting to see if it has serious defects before I buy one. IME, S&W revolvers, and guns in general, have recently had a sharp decline in quality. I'm hoping that, with their retreat to Tennessee, they will settle into improving their quality again.
Around 2018. Purchased a brand new S&W 380 Bodyguard. Magazine was dropping out while firing. Sent it back three times and they kept returning it unrepaired. Very frustrating.
The one brand new S&W revolver I bought (in 2018) would not work for nothing right out of the box. It had to be sent back to S&W CS. It came back working, but beat to Hell. Holy cow! It must have taken many tries for them to fix it and make it work right consistently. I never trusted the gun after that and dumped it at a huge loss because it was so beat up by S&W CS. Lesson learned: Stick to the older S&W revolvers. Never had a problem with any older one.
I have a modern model 19 performance center and love it . All firearms serve a purpose
I only carry and collect the older Smith revolvers. I pay less at times for the older ones and it’s much better. Great video! 😊
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Gotta love the old K frames! My pre-M15 Combat Masterpiece was made in 1952 for Missouri State Police; it has a 5 inch barrel. I inherited Dad’s pre-M14 K38 Masterpiece, also made in 1952 w/ 6 inch barrel. I like the M27-2 I bought in 1975, and the early 70’s M66 no dash. My wife’s old duty M66-4 and her J frames are fine; my Mountain Gun is fun. But the old K’s are my favorites.
Sounds like you have a nice collection of S&W revolvers. A used but nice M66 is on my bucket list, along with an older M686 L-frame .357 magnum.
@@mixup98 we share that: desire for an L frame. I still think of that as the new kid; it’s time I tried one.😉
BTW I noticed that new polymer framed gun turns clockwise. They must have borrowed that from Colt.🙄
My favorite revolver maker too, especially the 686.
Thank You! Love the Old School ...Tubs from Miami Vice (1986) carried a S&W..Got to wonder Why?
I had to sell my 4” 29-2. Because life. At least it went to someone I know appreciates it.
Old Smith's with target triggers and Target hammers went through the Custom Shop. All of it was hand fitted and polished. 8lb double action and 2 1/2+- single action. A crisp wall and intuitive. You can feel when it will break.
Nope. Not selling but thanks for asking.😁
I've had 24 S&W's all 1st generation. I had 1 problem with one of them. Otherwise, flawless performance from the lot. If I were to buy another Smith, there is one feature that would be a decisive factor. That would be the 2-piece barrel. I don't give a shit how good it's supposed to be, I don't want it. I want a one piece, forged barrel, properly fitted, end of story. I prefer a hammer mounted firing pin. Rugers have had frame mounted firing pins for years wth no problem but I prefer the older S&W style. I like recessed chambers also. So, if I were to shop for another revolver, I'd follow your method & keep my eyes open for a good deal on a used one.
i got a feeling he likes original star trek lol. great channel and style. right to the point no annoying music
Awesome...thank you for the great feedback. 👍😎 👍👽
@@mixup98 i'm glad you still keep the beaming in intro, one of my fav parts of your videos 🖖🖖
Honestly I’m just planning on getting a Rock Island Armory M206 since it’s a good quality revolver for less than $300. Then I’ll save up to get a Chiappa rhino, no idea why people have any hate towards them. They’re the smoothest firing revolver I’ve ever fired and I’ve fired a few dozen smiths, colts, and others.
Hello ShockerTopper. As you may know I have owned a Rock Island M206 for about four years and I've done several videos on it. It has been a great firearm and I don't have any complaints against it, and it is well worth the price.
I think I have been subscribed to your channel for close to 10 years. Your content has always been to the point, full of information and fun. All the best. Thanks for all your efforts !!
Thank for speaking about the quality of the new S&W revolvers ,and good luck trying to get help from them !
The new ones are usually fine. The old ones are consistently great. Thanks for the video!
I have a Model 10-4 and a Model 10-5 both from the early sixties, two Model 64s from the late 80's/early 90's, a Model 686 from 2001, and a 639 and a 642 that are both post 2020 manufacture.
They all shoot great, and have been 100% reliable. I'd have no hesitation buying a new S&W revolver, but the older ones sure are prettier. The polished stainless finish on my "old" 686 is gorgeous, especially compared to the matte finishes on my newer guns.
I'm super jealous of your Model 10 with the nickel plating. Mine are both blued, and while they're still great guns, 60 years of wear really shows on blued finishes.
Just about my favorite thing to do at the range is to setup my duelling trees and challenge somebody with that pair of Model 64s.
My dad had a model 10 when I was a young kid, and it was identical to the one shown in this video. His old model 10 was the first handgun I ever fired and I immediately fell in love with it when I shot it. I found my current nickel plated model 10 in a pawn shop last year and it brought back a lot of good memories when I handled it. As you can see I bought that old .38 and I will own it till the day I die. I would love to find a nice 64 someday and do a review on it.
Mine is 1940's M&P for the British in .38SW. Crisp single action trigger and very smooth but a bit heavy double action. $200 as new Surplus unfired.
Old smiths I personally like best this is just a personal preference .
Finally bought my first S&W yesterday! A 3" 60-15. I'd been needing a another decent revolver ever since I stupidly sold my ruger speed six years ago. I keep my gun collection pretty slim these days but always keep at least one revolver around and it's been an EAA Windicator for the past several years. Decent gun, but I always wanted to have something nicer around.. Especially after owning that ruger. I wasn't even looking for a new revolver but the new Smith really just caught my eye. I like them smaller and had always really liked the idea of a 3". I always found 2" a little short and 4" a little long. The smith just ticked all of the boxes, I was able to work out a fair deal and went for it!
I was actually shopping around for a very small semi auto, no bigger than a kimber micro 9.. That and a mini 14. I guess the Smith kind of checks the small carry gun box but it was more impulse than anything. Of course Colorado has that stupid 3 day waiting period now so I'll be picking it up on wednesday.. Planning on transferring my EAA to a friend when I go to pick it up. He recently turned 21 and it'll be his first handgun. I think it's a solid start.. Pretty similar to the first handgun I every bought, a taurus 856.
My 1968 S+W Model 19 says “Yes!”.
Supposedly with manufacturing processes the newer ones are better but I disagree. I think back in the day people cared a little bit more when making them. Sort of like cooking with love I think the difference is noticeable.
Thank you guys! Always interesting stuff here. I have no idea, or explanation, as to why I shy away from revolvers. The only one I have is my grandfather's Army Colt .45 DA, from WW2. (He served as a radio technician on several destroyers.) I'll have to look up the serial to see when it was made. My gunsmith should probably check it for safety, they I'll shoot a few rounds in his honor on Memorial Day.
That model 19-5 is similar to my first pistol. Still have it and it shoots great. Carried it for years.
If you're a collector, get the old ones. If you're a shooter, like me, get a new one.
Smith & Wesson revolvers have been my favorites for many years... the older the better. Nice collection and great shooting once again.
#1 I want old model 60
I have a few S&W's and I love them all. My favorite two are my Model 66 and ofcourse my Model 10. Thanks for the comparison.
I like and prefer the pre-lock hammer firing pin models best!
Have only one new gen 629 Classic 5 inch 44 magnum and it’s just not the same as the older ones 🇺🇸
The older models also have pinned barrels. Good review. Thanks.
The answer is "Yes, they are!". I have quite a few surplus S&W old police revolvers and they are better made, fitted and quality in every way. They shoot great, accurate, good lockup, timing, everything. The newer stuff is not as well made. Good thing S&W has good warranty service.
I had to add this one: I purchased a new in the (wooden) box M-29 w/4" barrel back in 1976....Only one problem....It had a barrel from a .41 Magnum screwed into the frame.
i have two s&w m10 4” and one s&w m36 3”, all blued, gen1, and absolutely superb shooters. my only complaint is the high cost of 38sp ammo relative to 9mm, as i am unable to reload. icons of america’s golden age.
i really enjoy your videos ive been to vegas and driven through part of it hot weather but plenty of dessert and cool places to shoot guns thank you
I have a no-lock 642 Performance Center that I bought new last year for $609. I haven't shot it yet. I later found a couple of minor defects: a scratch and screw marks (reamer marks, maybe?), inside two of the cylinders, respectively. It's too much of a PITA to send it back where I live, and I doubt it will cause functioning issues, but it's not the kind of QC that I expect from S&W. The Altamont Falconia grips they put on were very poorly installed as well, but I'll be replacing those at a later date with a solid wood pair from Altamont anyways, so that's no big deal.
Hopefully their move to (Tennessee?) will result in better QC. But it looks like there may be some dark times ahead for S&W. Unfortunately, it's inevitable with many gun companies, and it's probably a sign that they need to go back to the drawing board on a lot of things. A good start would be better QC and getting rid of that damn internal lock on all of their revolvers, rather than just the DAO ones.
Thanks for the video Mixup!
Much better than today
I have a collection of older Smith, and I agree with you, they are so skillfully crafted, well made and accurate. As long as the pistol hasn't been abused, you can't go wrong with the older Smiths. They (Imo) are the finest mass production pistols made in the world. there are a few that come close or in the same level of quality, however, they were not produced on the same level of mass production as the Smiths. Peace - Dave
Unquestionably, yes. I've been in the gun industry for many years as a gunsmith and machinist. The styling of the newer guns does not begin to compare to the older ones. They've become bland, sterile and unpleasant looking. The internal lock feature, which does indeed malfunction, is simply offensive. It's way past time to get rid of it. The MIM parts look cheap. Like toy gun parts, and they do break. The double action sear is no longer pinned into the hammer, and this can lead to a malfunction where it's spring becomes unseated and takes the gun out of action. I have one newer style Smith, which is the 351C, because it's such a unique niche weapon. It at least has not been violently sodomized with the internal lock. But I only have it because it was an extremely low price. I have many older Smiths. They ARE still making interesting designs, but they're quite disappointing compared to the older ones. If they would return to incorporating the classic styling to everything, I have no doubt it would be extremely well received. I've had literally thousands of people tell me how much they hate the internal lock and the MIM parts and styling changes over the years. An absolutely terrible and foolish decision on the part of Smith & Wesson. Time to fix it. The people who want revolvers want classics.
Awesome cool video many thumbs up. I like the revolvers also. Consider doing a video on what to look for and to tell if the older revolvers are in good shape when buying a used one. Happy Mother's Day to everyone. God bless all.
My police 38 service revolver never let me down....loved it
Love that comment, good old no nonsense .38. A workhorse!
The firing pin changed in the late 90s I think, as far as quality of new guns, pride and quality is lacking to say the least, always enjoy your videos. 🇺🇲🇺🇲
Another fine demonstration,
Thank you Stephen!
I have a blued Model 10 .38 that I bought from a friend in 1978 for $100. Every time I see him he offers to buy it back. Needless to say I still have it. It's the perfect night stand gun.
At the very least, tell him if you ever consider selling it, he'll or his children/grandchildren will have first option on it. I'm already marking my tools for who I want them to go to...my wife does however have final say. Some tools have significant value.
New motto for the 2A community. Friends don't let friends go unarmed.🙂
Great collection of S&W revolvers !
Mine are 1980 , 1982 and 2011 which is the 617 which is 10 round in .22LR!
One model I would like to find is the model 15 to add to the fine model 17 !
My friend traded in his 642 for a 442 Performance Center. It went belly up in in twenty five rounds. It took three tries to get my 586 working.
When S+W started using MIM parts in 1996 it was all down hill from there. Today’s S+W handguns 1 in 5 have to go back for service. Cracked frames stuck triggers crooked barrels and so on. Let’s not even talk about the lock. But it’s not just S+W it’s most gun manufacturers today. It’s sad. Always buy old. Gunsmiths are a thing of the past now it’s piece workers. Throw the part in and get out the door as fast as you can and let the buyer worry about it.
I own a 686 Plus and a Model 28-2 Highway Patrolman. Both 6in. I love my 686 but my Model 28...thats some good ol fashioned American Murder Steel right there.
I have several Smiths and I really enjoy them all. My daughter has a Ruger GP100 and I'm pretty sure aside from a very low end .22 revolver I bought while in college I don't have any non-Smith wheel guns. Thanks!
0:06 Beam me up, Scotty.
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Definitely a nice collection of revolvers.
Smith & Wesson went downhill for a few years when they were sold to Bangor punta. One nice thing about the firing pin attached to the hammer is that if the firing pin wears down it is easy to replace.
The firing pin in the frame are easy to replace as well.
@@roddnelson1519 It seemed more difficult to me, but maybe I just didn’t give it a chance. I guess I’m just kind of an old school kind of guy LOL🤷♂😃
Our older Smiths had a better action but the tooling on the new ones are excellent. Kimber’s K6 is as good if not superior by it’s flawless workmanship. Semper Fi🇺🇸🎉
I seems like nowadays, the older things are, the better they are......... Just like us Mixup. 😉 I hope that doesn't "offend" anyone, lol.
Congratulations on the great collection. As time passes by we have seen S&W start to "borrow" ideas from KelTec and other companies. That's a big warning sign for me. Apparently, young designers and engineers can't come up with new quality ideas and concepts, so they "borrow" something that is trendy from little companies that dare to be innovative. As someone that was brought up through the military with S&W revolvers and then purchased my own S&W firearms, it's all very disappointing.
Wow that 1899 first one was All that n a bag!!!
But all nice,thanks again!!!
I got a 686 -3 the Firing Pin on the hammer, which is easier fix, I think. Nice revolver collection.😅
Another great video.. Was taught long ago not to dry fire "TOO" much with an empty cylinder and hammer mounted pin...You seem to be in great "hominy" with your desert environment . 😊 PS; Like the old S&Ws too. Carried and qualified with 10s, 15s & 19s.
I love your hominy comment 😁 I also carried and qualified with the model 10 and the model 681 S&W revolvers.
Interesting I also have 10-7 blued an issue to local police in the day. Smooth and accurate I love your program thank you.
You are very welcome Larry and thank you for watching my video.
Smith has always made fine revolvers but me personally I can't stand the key lock idea
In a word: Yes.
I had the exact same issue with my M&P Bodyguard 38.... Plus mine had the built in laser grip that would get "out of Zero" in a couple of cylinders of firing....if the gun actually worked. Sold it after the first range visit...
Great video and presentation! Always happy to find when you have posted!
God bless all here.
Yeah I was just talking with a friend about a 649 in .357 I used to have. So that was one model that got better over time because it was only offered in .38 spl up to 1996. But anyways I had had a 3" barrel from a model 60 installed on it and it was machined for moon clips. It used to be my CC weapon for years.
In my opinion, you ALWAYS want a transfer bar, and NOT the older firing pin. Then, you can safely fully load every cylinder.
Love those K frames.
Older ones bring new prices where I live
That is an interesting question... I prefer older ones. I like the nostaligia of them, the "no-hillary-hole" frame, I like the steel ones better, and prefer blued or polished stainless to the dull finishes many have now. That said, my modern ones never let me down either. Just a preference to me. I like them all though :)
The problem with the M&P's cylinder comes from the idea of replacing the canonical pushing spur, the one that pushes the cylender and makes it turn, with the rotating star-like wheel So yes, now, it should be manually adjusted before making the first shot to make sure that the cylinder cam wheel goes in a full battery with the star wheel.