A much needed video BIG BUMP! We need to keep hammering home that Online Apologetics is a stepping stone to going to Church and living your life as an Orthodox Christian not as an Online larper.
Being a layman who hasn't even read through the entirety of the bible let alone even a tiny fraction of Church fathers and saint writings. Which I'd imagine will be 90+% of all would be Christians which occupy this corner of the internet. I'd say that I often find myself falling into that unconscious, braindead trance that you find yourself in when you're watching your favourite sports team whenever I watch those apologetic debates and videos which you're speaking of. You can watch enough of those debates and videos and eventually memorise the points and arguments which your favourite apologist makes (just like you can memorise the stats of your favourite sports team) but if thats not being applied to actually becoming a Christian, an ACTUAL Christian, then it's all virtual useless information which you've stored in your mindless automoton head. Its funny because reading even just a tiny fraction of the Church fathers and Saints its clear that the point of becoming a Christian is to NOT be a mindless automoton and realign yourself to God. It is like watching sports, you know that it's unproductive, but nonetheless it's entertaining watching Sam Shamoun call random callers dogs and bible perverts. The apologetic corner of the internet can be a huge detriment to ones attempting at becoming a Christian for that reason. For the average layman (myself included) I'd say it's best avoided for the most part... Other than Jeems channel of course.
That's exactly what happened to me. I invested so much of my time in the first few years of being a Christian to watching mindless apologetic content. My thinking was that "if I can show the flaws in other people's worldview they'll somehow become Christian" which is absurd. I seldom read the Bible or prayed, and it got to the point where "defending" the faith (or an abstract interpretation of the faith) was more important than having a relationship to God. My love for proving them wrong led me down a spiral of not attending church and eventually abandoning Christianity, exploring alternatives like drug use and 4chan conspiracy theories to explain the world. Praise be to God I've returned to church and am trying to reconnect with the divine through bible reading and prayer.
@@Jeem196 yo Jeem urgent stuff, slowboy said that OT laws are fulfilled in Christ and not to be followed, even tho tru history we see that its in opposite and even today when EOC is suffering from liberal disease we still have those that uphold stuff from OT, and OO are also following those, we have Corpus Iuris Civils ....but suddenly they don't count, is this liberal no accountability crypto protestant saying or?
Sound bites are NOT effective. Christians famously WRITE and STUDY shelves full of LONG books. Our NT is 29 BOOKS written in Koine Greek. Christians must STUDY them. Aristotle's Ta Ethica has 10 BOOKS. Aquinas wrote a 700 page commentary on Aristotle's Ta Ethica. 30 minute YT videos are not going to cut it.
@@louisdeniau8571 Demonsterably false. There is evidence. You can disagree with the evidence and say it's false but you can't say there is *NO* evidence whatsoever as in absolutely *0* evidence. That's just completely untrue.
@@louisdeniau8571 Evidence? I met Bishop Tutu two times helping organized Christians around the world forcibly destroy Apartheid South Africa. What kind of "evidence" are you seeking? We Christians run graveyards. Real life stuff. Not "in a book." We Christians have, can and will destroy entire states and drive countless men, women and children into early graves. Remember Romes? Long gone. USSR? Long gone. See the pattern? Very, very serious business. Not "in a book." Not "way back then." Nope. Do you seek "evidence" of tidal waves that will drown you? LEARN SOMETHING: We Christians are NOT "chatting" at a bar "for fun." We Christians are never "just talking." We Christians are not "nice people." Nope. Christians run more Law Schools than any government on earth. Why? To train judges. Why? To throw real people into prison cells. More very, very serious business. In real life. Don't forget. Forgetting has proven to be very dangerous.
Good video. As Saint Paul says (1 Corinthians:1-8), "If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away."
I enjoy David and Ridvan lol. Their livestreams aren’t meant to be apologetical. But I certainly agree on your point about the Thomistic and Platonic mania of apologetics, especially Roman and even Reformed apologetics.
You just dont get Jeem smh. Dont you know that the old testament predicts Thomas Aquinas?? Source: my twitter thomist dude told me brah do totes trust me.
@@blueskittel8980 Twitsandendtal Argoyment for the edgesistence of God's better brahette. Source: twitter tag bro told me so you gotta pronounce it as dogma and NEVER EVER use any other form of argumentation. If they're not philosophy minded and they're actually just your elderly grandma the go ahead and destroy her with facts and logic
A professor of mine once said that the issue isn't about being right or wrong, but about how well you present your ideas. However, I don’t think this applies when it comes to distinguishing between truth and falsehood. My issue with apologists is their blind defense of scripture, regardless of how far their claims stray from basic common sense or logic.
But Jeem I need to win fruitless discord debates so I can have some modicum of success because I live in my moms basement and don't have friends or a job
I agree, tho what I’ve seen in context especially in the West, is that people sugarcoating other religions and then make Christianity look like some Nazism religion (then you also have the race guilt along with it, so some go defense and offense mode to fact check that… but I agree there’s people that just go offense without trying to convince them true Christianity
Good video Jeem. The online apologetic scene has become incredibly uncharitable and toxic. The Christian Prince content can really be frustrating because of how he ridicules the muslims who call in, failing to recognize that they will obviously be defensive when you take apart the beliefs they build their life around. These things need to be done charitably. However for me, I think the opposite has occurred, as my faith was largely derived from desiring comfort and meaning in an imperfect and fallen world. Consequently, I can't seem to defend my faith intellectually, and at times I don't even know why I believe. I am sort of like the seed that falls in rocky soil, which has no root to keep it firm when tribulation comes around. What is your recommendation in this opposite situation? I am far too scared to engage with any material which may challenge my faith, but how else can I expect to defend my beliefs? I hope to ask a priest about this but I will likely be unable to do so for at least a year.
Why do you need to defend your faith? I have my whole family of origin being atheists or new agers, I don’t defend my faith. I have many friends who are protestants and don’t approve of my being Orthodox, but I don’t defend my faith. I could, actually, I have those skills. But I don’t see the point. In my opinion, the only time someone might change their mind, is if they are already seeking. For me I found the best way to build my own faith was to read scripture with other Christians. God bless 💕
Lol why would you be scared of tribulations if you believe in God? Like he doesn’t stand with you, like you don’t believe God is superior per definition to everyone else.
@@annalynn9325 Frankly it is more an issue of my own belief. I am from a Hindu family, and when I must inevitably tell them about my faith I expect many questions. The problem is I feel I cannot adequately answer those questions or defend why I believe. It obviously does me no good if my faith is driven by a desire for meaning and comfort alone, it has no objective foundation preventing me from falling away. I just can't pinpoint any particular reason, be it in scripture or history, as to why I believe.
@@varunsriram286 There is a lot of intellectualism around Christianity today and yet the first believers were simple people. You know in your heart that God made you. You know God cherishes you. You know God took the humble form of man so that He could bring you to himself and have you live with him in eternity. You do not have to earn His love, He already loves you. You love him back by keeping his commandments. Ask Jesus to increase your faith (Mark 9:24) 💕
Online apologetics are getting worse, I think Christian Prince perpetuates this toxic behaviour. The only people I might be able to say that dont fall into this trap is Jeem and Inspiring Philosophy
Don't mention ip toghter with Jeem, its insulting to compare that low iq protestant dude with based Jeem, ip is super liberal even Jeem stated this, either you follow Jeem or ip
Philosophy was a big hit to christianity when starting out. People like Augustine especially seemed like Platonists first, and Christian second. Very strange.
The worst part for me(and I say this as a recent convert)is how recent converts all feel like they are alright to just fire up a TH-cam channel. They may have only been Orthodox for a year or two; and even worse, less! And then they start their embarrassing and bad takes that are often poor RC arguments against Protestantism; and all without any lived knowledge of the Church. Very bad look, the LARPing is awful.
There are options for those who are interested in an academic approach. Dr. Jay Smith on the YT channel CIRCA International owned by Al Fadi a Saudi born Christian publish videos that use the latest scholarship in the field to prove the book, the man and the place of the current standard Islamic narrative has holes in it. There are options with less bravado and more of a rational approach.
@@David-kz2im People throwing emotionally packed words from their own balloon have already burst their own bubble when they "spew nonsensical rubbish" into the comment section. Try not to become what you hate. No one is making you view their content.
In my opinion, Jay Dyer would do well to seriously consider these things. Anyone in the online Orthodox world who has sense enough and has a pair, knows that he’s all about AI thumbnails and recreational debunking. Discord cult, position wars, all that stuff is Jay Dyer if anyone has an ounce of honesty and self-respect. Learned a lot from Jay, no doubt. But he took the bait a long time ago.
I don't see how one can really ID what is morally right when it comes to animals from a religious worldview are you suggesting people go back to Kosher laws and ways of slaughtering that are from the OT that are more moral than modern practice?
@@RizaLazar Uhh that's nice i'm a muslim and i'm also an admirer of St paul and on contrary to what some muslims say about him i don't think that there's any evidence that would suggest St paul tried to hijack or corrupt the teachings of christ judging on what i've searched about i would say St paul didn't do anything wrong in fact i would say St paul actually tried to save the teachings of christ But i would also like to know why paul there are others as well like andrew, john, james etc
As someone who discovered online Christian apologetics/theology earlier this year I found myself slowly slipping away from Christ.. I thank him for calling me back to his word. And Iv come to the conclusion that these online apologetic guys are not saved bc it’s obvious they care more about being intelligent and being right than to glorify God and spread the gospel. Very sad. I pray they become born again. Oh yeah same for their fans .
Jeem why do you think that people like Christian prince need to be able to do everything? Would you blame people at your church for evangelising without knowing everything possible to defend and explain their faith? No because if they need to do that they would refer them to their pastor, priest or preacher. Christian prince and others do the exact same. You don’t have a all around roll in Gods kingdom no some people have a very specific role like defending against/attacking muslims for example.
@@bikesrcool_1958 if a muslim starts attacking him on something like the church fathers for example, he is gonna fall apart guaranteed. But the thing is most muslims that call into his show are random muslim dudes that are just as dumb as him, and he knows the Quran better than them so he's always gonna win
The church justifies itself with apostolic succession and continuity, so it isn't based solely on the Scripture, but it also is not based solely on philosophical ideas
@@Jeem196 how does the church justify itself by apostolic succession alone? By that argument the Ismaili Imamat justifies itself. What justifies or legitimates apostolic succession? And succession to whom?
@@jeffinjapan9005 to each their own, although he doesn’t really talk about orthodoxy to my knowledge. He usually tells people to go watch Jay dyer at best
@@jeffinjapan9005 it seems that people today think that being Christians of any kind mean to be low testosterone soyboy, whats wrong with cussing, our Prophets cussed, Apostle Paul cussed...its more embarrassing that hes constantly on whatever podcast than anything
what kind of evil is the RC/ortho teaching doing that to cats can't blame anyone else that's all that existed at that time to bad the evangelicals didn't exist back then kissing and licking statues must have harned the brain or maybe it was worshipping the blessed virgin Mary and the saints
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Mental Gooners: My entire worldview rests on this one discord debate but who cares about that homeless guy down the street
thus becoming the goats and not the lambs
A much needed video BIG BUMP!
We need to keep hammering home that Online Apologetics is a stepping stone to going to Church and living your life as an Orthodox Christian not as an Online larper.
The jeem pill is inevitable
yes
This is video is much needed thanks. PSA: STOP MENTALLY MASTURBATING.
Dude, I have a friend who NEEDS to see this
Being a layman who hasn't even read through the entirety of the bible let alone even a tiny fraction of Church fathers and saint writings. Which I'd imagine will be 90+% of all would be Christians which occupy this corner of the internet. I'd say that I often find myself falling into that unconscious, braindead trance that you find yourself in when you're watching your favourite sports team whenever I watch those apologetic debates and videos which you're speaking of.
You can watch enough of those debates and videos and eventually memorise the points and arguments which your favourite apologist makes (just like you can memorise the stats of your favourite sports team) but if thats not being applied to actually becoming a Christian, an ACTUAL Christian, then it's all virtual useless information which you've stored in your mindless automoton head. Its funny because reading even just a tiny fraction of the Church fathers and Saints its clear that the point of becoming a Christian is to NOT be a mindless automoton and realign yourself to God.
It is like watching sports, you know that it's unproductive, but nonetheless it's entertaining watching Sam Shamoun call random callers dogs and bible perverts.
The apologetic corner of the internet can be a huge detriment to ones attempting at becoming a Christian for that reason. For the average layman (myself included) I'd say it's best avoided for the most part... Other than Jeems channel of course.
lol the last sentence, thank you. and I hope your path to the faith continues under God's guidance brother
That's exactly what happened to me. I invested so much of my time in the first few years of being a Christian to watching mindless apologetic content.
My thinking was that "if I can show the flaws in other people's worldview they'll somehow become Christian" which is absurd. I seldom read the Bible or prayed, and it got to the point where "defending" the faith (or an abstract interpretation of the faith) was more important than having a relationship to God. My love for proving them wrong led me down a spiral of not attending church and eventually abandoning Christianity, exploring alternatives like drug use and 4chan conspiracy theories to explain the world.
Praise be to God I've returned to church and am trying to reconnect with the divine through bible reading and prayer.
Are you releasing a theological diss track lol
the whole channel is a diss track
@@Jeem196 yo Jeem urgent stuff, slowboy said that OT laws are fulfilled in Christ and not to be followed, even tho tru history we see that its in opposite and even today when EOC is suffering from liberal disease we still have those that uphold stuff from OT, and OO are also following those, we have Corpus Iuris Civils ....but suddenly they don't count, is this liberal no accountability crypto protestant saying or?
Sound bites are NOT effective. Christians famously WRITE and STUDY shelves full of LONG books. Our NT is 29 BOOKS written in Koine Greek. Christians must STUDY them. Aristotle's Ta Ethica has 10 BOOKS. Aquinas wrote a 700 page commentary on Aristotle's Ta Ethica. 30 minute YT videos are not going to cut it.
no evidence for your religion. just rabbit holes
@@louisdeniau8571 Demonsterably false. There is evidence. You can disagree with the evidence and say it's false but you can't say there is *NO* evidence whatsoever as in absolutely *0* evidence. That's just completely untrue.
@@louisdeniau8571 Evidence? I met Bishop Tutu two times helping organized Christians around the world forcibly destroy Apartheid South Africa. What kind of "evidence" are you seeking? We Christians run graveyards. Real life stuff. Not "in a book." We Christians have, can and will destroy entire states and drive countless men, women and children into early graves. Remember Romes? Long gone. USSR? Long gone. See the pattern? Very, very serious business. Not "in a book." Not "way back then." Nope. Do you seek "evidence" of tidal waves that will drown you? LEARN SOMETHING: We Christians are NOT "chatting" at a bar "for fun." We Christians are never "just talking." We Christians are not "nice people." Nope. Christians run more Law Schools than any government on earth. Why? To train judges. Why? To throw real people into prison cells. More very, very serious business. In real life. Don't forget. Forgetting has proven to be very dangerous.
@louisdeniau8571 seems like you go out of your way to comment on christian stuff. Just go watch atheist crap lol
Thank you Jeem, everyone is full of pride right now and you put that boot down and show them what they are doing wrong.
Good video. As Saint Paul says (1 Corinthians:1-8), "If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away."
Bros saying EXACTLY what’s on my mind
I enjoy David and Ridvan lol. Their livestreams aren’t meant to be apologetical. But I certainly agree on your point about the Thomistic and Platonic mania of apologetics, especially Roman and even Reformed apologetics.
You just dont get Jeem smh. Dont you know that the old testament predicts Thomas Aquinas?? Source: my twitter thomist dude told me brah do totes trust me.
Natural twitterology confirmed!!!!!
@@blueskittel8980 Twitsandendtal Argoyment for the edgesistence of God's better brahette. Source: twitter tag bro told me so you gotta pronounce it as dogma and NEVER EVER use any other form of argumentation. If they're not philosophy minded and they're actually just your elderly grandma the go ahead and destroy her with facts and logic
Somebody had to say this. Its become a shitshow. But, i think the people who do the real work will be left standing
Well said, brother.
Jeem, prince of the apologists.
A professor of mine once said that the issue isn't about being right or wrong, but about how well you present your ideas. However, I don’t think this applies when it comes to distinguishing between truth and falsehood. My issue with apologists is their blind defense of scripture, regardless of how far their claims stray from basic common sense or logic.
Thumbnail looking like a Spotify Music cover 🔥
But Jeem I need to win fruitless discord debates so I can have some modicum of success because I live in my moms basement and don't have friends or a job
Fr. Paul Truebenbach does a good job.❤
New jeem 🙏
Jeem, you're so based for this brother
This should go viral
I agree, tho what I’ve seen in context especially in the West, is that people sugarcoating other religions and then make Christianity look like some Nazism religion (then you also have the race guilt along with it, so some go defense and offense mode to fact check that… but I agree there’s people that just go offense without trying to convince them true Christianity
I mess w the hat jeem
I have a cut on my forehead lol so I didn't want to show it
@Jeem196 don't be scared, we must see it
Good video Jeem. The online apologetic scene has become incredibly uncharitable and toxic. The Christian Prince content can really be frustrating because of how he ridicules the muslims who call in, failing to recognize that they will obviously be defensive when you take apart the beliefs they build their life around. These things need to be done charitably.
However for me, I think the opposite has occurred, as my faith was largely derived from desiring comfort and meaning in an imperfect and fallen world. Consequently, I can't seem to defend my faith intellectually, and at times I don't even know why I believe. I am sort of like the seed that falls in rocky soil, which has no root to keep it firm when tribulation comes around. What is your recommendation in this opposite situation? I am far too scared to engage with any material which may challenge my faith, but how else can I expect to defend my beliefs? I hope to ask a priest about this but I will likely be unable to do so for at least a year.
Why do you need to defend your faith? I have my whole family of origin being atheists or new agers, I don’t defend my faith. I have many friends who are protestants and don’t approve of my being Orthodox, but I don’t defend my faith. I could, actually, I have those skills. But I don’t see the point. In my opinion, the only time someone might change their mind, is if they are already seeking. For me I found the best way to build my own faith was to read scripture with other Christians. God bless 💕
Lol why would you be scared of tribulations if you believe in God? Like he doesn’t stand with you, like you don’t believe God is superior per definition to everyone else.
@@annalynn9325 Frankly it is more an issue of my own belief. I am from a Hindu family, and when I must inevitably tell them about my faith I expect many questions. The problem is I feel I cannot adequately answer those questions or defend why I believe. It obviously does me no good if my faith is driven by a desire for meaning and comfort alone, it has no objective foundation preventing me from falling away. I just can't pinpoint any particular reason, be it in scripture or history, as to why I believe.
@@rival756The issue I don't know why I truly believe, so there seems to be no root grounding me and preventing me from falling away.
@@varunsriram286 There is a lot of intellectualism around Christianity today and yet the first believers were simple people. You know in your heart that God made you. You know God cherishes you. You know God took the humble form of man so that He could bring you to himself and have you live with him in eternity. You do not have to earn His love, He already loves you. You love him back by keeping his commandments. Ask Jesus to increase your faith (Mark 9:24) 💕
Jeem.
Jeem.
Jeem?
good video grandpa
Online apologetics are getting worse, I think Christian Prince perpetuates this toxic behaviour. The only people I might be able to say that dont fall into this trap is Jeem and Inspiring Philosophy
Don't mention ip toghter with Jeem, its insulting to compare that low iq protestant dude with based Jeem, ip is super liberal even Jeem stated this, either you follow Jeem or ip
@@David-kz2im why? Am I wrong, did you ever listen to IP? Dude is a moron
Philosophy was a big hit to christianity when starting out. People like Augustine especially seemed like Platonists first, and Christian second. Very strange.
The worst part for me(and I say this as a recent convert)is how recent converts all feel like they are alright to just fire up a TH-cam channel. They may have only been Orthodox for a year or two; and even worse, less! And then they start their embarrassing and bad takes that are often poor RC arguments against Protestantism; and all without any lived knowledge of the Church. Very bad look, the LARPing is awful.
There are options for those who are interested in an academic approach. Dr. Jay Smith on the YT channel CIRCA International owned by Al Fadi a Saudi born Christian publish videos that use the latest scholarship in the field to prove the book, the man and the place of the current standard Islamic narrative has holes in it.
There are options with less bravado and more of a rational approach.
fadi makes the faith look bad
No, sorry to burst your bubble, but they both spew nonsensical rubbish that no academic takes seriously.
@@David-kz2im People throwing emotionally packed words from their own balloon have already burst their own bubble when they "spew nonsensical rubbish" into the comment section.
Try not to become what you hate. No one is making you view their content.
Amazing video
Well said Jeem
Based Jeem strikes again
I 100% agree
It has to be said and was well-said. 👏🏻
Am i missing something with the animal t0tur3 example, or was it just an example?
It’s an example of bad/wrong theology impacting real life in a horrible way and which isn’t about complex ontology
Thank you for being reasonable
My goat
In my opinion, Jay Dyer would do well to seriously consider these things. Anyone in the online Orthodox world who has sense enough and has a pair, knows that he’s all about AI thumbnails and recreational debunking. Discord cult, position wars, all that stuff is Jay Dyer if anyone has an ounce of honesty and self-respect. Learned a lot from Jay, no doubt. But he took the bait a long time ago.
That's immediately what I thought of lol
I don't see how one can really ID what is morally right when it comes to animals from a religious worldview are you suggesting people go back to Kosher laws and ways of slaughtering that are from the OT that are more moral than modern practice?
We can't beg anyone to follow Christ
You can beg but that doesn't mean they will convert
@@Chance_Rice yes that's what I meant to say
Ahh i know this is random but who is your favorite apostle of christ ? Peter, james, paul or john etc
Paul
@@RizaLazar Uhh that's nice i'm a muslim and i'm also an admirer of St paul and on contrary to what some muslims say about him i don't think that there's any evidence that would suggest St paul tried to hijack or corrupt the teachings of christ judging on what i've searched about i would say St paul didn't do anything wrong in fact i would say St paul actually tried to save the teachings of christ
But i would also like to know why paul there are others as well like andrew, john, james etc
Either Thomas or Peter
@@theguyver4934❤️
TikTok apologetics culture
Christian prince has a problem of apostolic churches
As someone who discovered online Christian apologetics/theology earlier this year I found myself slowly slipping away from Christ.. I thank him for calling me back to his word. And Iv come to the conclusion that these online apologetic guys are not saved bc it’s obvious they care more about being intelligent and being right than to glorify God and spread the gospel. Very sad. I pray they become born again. Oh yeah same for their fans .
Very prideful stance for you to take.
Lord have mercy.
@@BenjaminButler.you think I’m prideful because you don’t like what I say. Believe in the true gospel.
@danib712 congratulations...you played yourself
-Dj Khalid
@@BenjaminButler.anyone who comes after the gospel belongs to the father of lies
Jeem why do you think that people like Christian prince need to be able to do everything? Would you blame people at your church for evangelising without knowing everything possible to defend and explain their faith? No because if they need to do that they would refer them to their pastor, priest or preacher. Christian prince and others do the exact same. You don’t have a all around roll in Gods kingdom no some people have a very specific role like defending against/attacking muslims for example.
Christian prince just has bad theology tho but I guess he’s good against Muslims
@@bikesrcool_1958 if a muslim starts attacking him on something like the church fathers for example, he is gonna fall apart guaranteed. But the thing is most muslims that call into his show are random muslim dudes that are just as dumb as him, and he knows the Quran better than them so he's always gonna win
But what justifies the scripture without appealing to the church?
The church justifies itself with apostolic succession and continuity, so it isn't based solely on the Scripture, but it also is not based solely on philosophical ideas
@@Jeem196 how does the church justify itself by apostolic succession alone? By that argument the Ismaili Imamat justifies itself. What justifies or legitimates apostolic succession? And succession to whom?
Do people like Christian Prince even call themselves apologists though? it's fairly obvious his goal is debating Muslims on Islam.
Fair point. I don't actually remember him calling himself an apologist
This is not a 2 hour long video essay with ASMR narration. Disliked.
Andrew from The Crucible is an embarrassment to online Orthodox apologetics.
How?
He's an embarrassment to Christianity in general.
@@Twin2241 he curses like a sailor one second and talks about Orthodox Christianity the next; IMO, that’s a bad look.
@@jeffinjapan9005 to each their own, although he doesn’t really talk about orthodoxy to my knowledge. He usually tells people to go watch Jay dyer at best
@@jeffinjapan9005 it seems that people today think that being Christians of any kind mean to be low testosterone soyboy, whats wrong with cussing, our Prophets cussed, Apostle Paul cussed...its more embarrassing that hes constantly on whatever podcast than anything
what kind of evil is the RC/ortho teaching doing that to cats can't blame anyone else that's all that existed at that time to bad the evangelicals didn't exist back then kissing and licking statues must have harned the brain or maybe it was worshipping the blessed virgin Mary and the saints
What the hell are you talking about? Care to be coherent?
Read the churche fathers til the 1054 schism
@@jonathanguyot624 i did the romans continued their persecutions of the church and cats and it didn't stop in 1054
@@colthofer3752 reading your comment has potential to cause aneurysm
Learn what commas are.
Need a Jeem / NFTU: News & Apologetics Collab 🙌
Who's NFTU?
@@Chance_Rice. NFTU is run by a schismatic. Not actually Eastern Orthodox.
@@Chance_Rice make that decision for yourself. By looking them up on TH-cam, rather then what I say or @chance_rice says.
@@Chance_Rice I also like watching Peter Heers from Orthodox Ethos. That would also be a good collab
@@Chance_Ricemake your own decision when you visit the channel. Do go by what I say or the real real ok person says.