I know it's rather old and might take some research but Doflamingo vs Luffy. Many make it seem like Luffy low-diffed Doffy but he didn't. And take into account the damage law had done before hand
I disagree with your take on king being beaten by characters without Conquerers, it’s an important part of why Zoro won cause kings durability is insane being lunarian plus his df.
@@Aacezay lunarian defense is unstoppable it doesnt matter what u use, not even adv coc haki can hurt king with his flames on the point of the fight was learning kings weakness, zoro says that repeatedly, also zoro dropps king in like 3 attacks, its not about conquerors haki its about kings weakness
All of Zoros fights are about him figuring out how to cut something or someone. And the king fight was that plus him figuring out how to use Enma, or fighting Enma too. Zoro was also already fighting kaido. If Zoro came in 100 percent without trying to compete with Enma. Yeah a different fight indeed.
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Yeah but also alot of characters will still do little to no damage to king. He was tested on for his endurance/ durability cause of his race. I don't think you need CoC either but you def need some serious ap. Kicking him around ain't gonna ko him & tying up isn't happening to a healthy king with his sword also imo. (As easy)
Technically Zoro also beat Daz Bones with only one single hit that worked. But it was still an extreme high diff fight at that time as Zoro almost died a couple of times. Just saying that the number of hits aren't necessarily a measurement for the difficulty of a fight.
@@luis15317 it does though if he has the ability to cut iron he would’ve one shotted Daz like he did after he reached that state or whatever and one shorting = low difficulty at most
Adv Coc is an instant durability neg that's why King had to switch to flame-off mode to end the fight. Yes, it would not have done any external damage but internally it would have caused massive damage with multiple attacks.
Damn, they were many things I missed because I was breezing thru the chapters. Great analysis, imma have to be coming to your vids more often when debating 😅
King's defensive ability can compare with Diamond Jozu's DF but of course if someone uses advance conquerors against Jozu, it's gonna be a different conversation. So I would say King's defensive ability is definitely in a different level. That's why their race were called Gods.
King's defensive ability comparable to Jozu? 🤣 lol where the hell are you getting these facts from? You know what diamond is? The HARDEST freaking material on the planet. Lol Zoro fanbase is utterly stupid
@@an_orange8911 You do know that diamonds are easy to smash, right? Let's not forget the fact that Zoro's more than strong enough to cut through real life diamonds even during Dressrosa. Can't really compare Diamond durability to a fictional race known for there durability.
@@an_orange8911 you clearly shouldnt be allowed commenting about powerscale.... 5:24 an attack that would for SURE damage jozu severely king just felt no damage as ZORO HIMSELF SAYS and that attack is adv conq coated!!! king's durability is the strongest we ve seen so far not even zoro's adv conq blade attacks cannt damage this dude when flames are on as we clearly saw in that disaprove the crap you posted as well as proving what i said its truth
Okay. I made sure to listen carefully and prove you wrong. If kings flames really did burst into magma does it mean it went off? Clearly the answer is NO. So Zoro did defeat king when his flame was on. Yeah if Zoro did understood king from the beginning it would have been an easy fight for sure but advanced conqueror+ advanced armament attack did the magic to be sincere. Even as at that it would be better for Oda to confirm it himself because people mostly makes Zoros quote but there must be a significance of Zoro unlocking adv conq this kings fight should make us understand now that Zoro is capable of cutting anything he wishes. Thank you bro.
In Luffy vs Kaido fight Luffy upgraded multiple times. What's your take on each of those upgrades and how strong was Luffy exactly after each upgrade relative to another top tier.
@@D.Strawhat I feel like Gear 4 with the advanced haki forms is still around a low Admiral and once he hits gear 5 it's definitely established Yonko tier.
You do not need adv coc to defeat King but you need atleast Zoro pre adv coc level AP at the very least to do any significant damage to king even in his less durable state.
well zoro has advanced conquerors haki, but u just need a lot of AP it doesnt have to be conquerors related, also even with weaker armament attacks he can be hurt it would just take a lot longer to put him down
@@D.Strawhat Do you think Katakuri will be able to put hi down. I think Katakuri won’t be able to hurt him even in his less durable state(wci katakuri). And one thing we didn’t get to see was kings insane endurance which was hyped up because of how op Zoro’s adv coc was.
@@xenoxerex477 I think extreme diff king might beat katakuri because he has greater defense than kat but i think it’ll be a tough fight cuz katakuri has much better haki
@@D.Strawhat the problem is that king can just span area attacks at Katakuri in his defensive form and Katakuri can't damage him or get close and dodging literal explosions is pretty hard
Marko may not have done much but he held off 2 commanders himself with relative ease to begin with. King and Queen would later be defeated in 1v1 battles not 2v1 as was the case with marko who had also previously fought prespero and big mom. Marco if anything this arc showed just how powerful he really is.
big mom barely tried and perospero was perfectly fine, and again marco got destroyed theres no such thing as “with ease” marco literally said its tough to do😂 i dont understand why fans say these things he literally lost and they didnt even use their full abilities against him and marco did like no significant damage
@@D.Strawhat he still had harder battles than Sanji and zoro this raid. Regardless of wether big mom and prospero were fine his goal was to protect carrot. Not defeat them. He pushed them back. Same with king and queen he fought them both at once holding both off at the same time. Had he not held them off the raid probably wpuld have failed. Neither Sanji or zoro could have done this. Marco is a beast. There's a reason he was whitebeards no.1. Sanji lost to King and zoro only beat king because he figured out his weakness. That and seeing king was black.
@@nicholascharles9625 yea i think marco>sanji for sure, i dont think sanji is stronger than the first commanders but i think he can hold his own against them as for zoro i think advanced conquerors haki+ryou puts him in another league above marco, a battle between zoro and marco would be nearly the same as king vs zoro accept marco doesnt have kings invulnerability, he does have regen so it would take zoro longer to win the fight but i think extreme diff zoro could win
its says that zoro defeats king in chapter 1036 right so if you get 36 and switch them it will say 63 so i think zoro is gonna defeat king in anime will be episode 1063
Your description of how King and Queen are practically equal in strength is why I think Luffy would require Gear 4 at least for Zoro to have to really push himself. And Snake Man is too easy of a target for Zoro because Luffy has to be stationary when he attacks, and Zoro is a much smaller target than Kaido.
I’m starting to wonder if part of zoro’s innate haki is being able to survive and continue to fight getting stronger near death. Because how many times should have our boy had injuries that cripple him for years or life if not kill him
Well tbh he was blocking a no acoc zoro dragon twister yet without flames he tanked 3 acoc attacks so uh idk what he was doing considering he could tank it and he tanked stronger attacks
Hmm, could you do a Katakuri vs King match? Personally, I'm team King. Not only is King stronger because he is scaled to post rooftop Zoro (Who made Kaido dodge), but he should theoretically be faster since Zoro could keep up with Kaido even if by a little. Ofcourse the big thing is observation Haki & Lunarian Blood. King can have a chance to hit Katakuri, though even if Katakuri hits King nothing will happen (His AP is not above rooftop Zoro). Truly, King can just fly and rain down hell without ever needing to actually get in close.
horrible argument... zoro would have gotten speed blitzed countless times by kaido if law wasnt there... kaido wasnt serious until luffy got conq haki coat... katakuri dodged snakeman and in many ocasions not only dodged it but also ultimately outspeed it this kings speed>katakuri's is a horrible argument and its based off of zorotards that want to say his challenger is better than luffy's to somewhat equalize him with his captain... zoro isnt considered a fast enough character its just that certain techniques are speed boosted for better efficience aka shishisonson onigiri and zoro reacted to king's speed and striked back at it while snakeman twice couldnt react after long boosted speed attacks python and black mamba are the fastest attacks of snakeman and snakeman DIDNT EVEN REACT when he took a buzz cut mochi and a knee to the face anime/manga showed that!! and YES king's speed is immense but katakuri is straight up faster not by much but enough to easily dodge him especially with FS and the agility of his df... the attacks of snakeman who had fs (meaning it can react and redirect the direction of his attacks much more accurately) at that time and his attack speed is definitely top2 in the verse up to this point and only and maybe kizaru's sacret jewel could rank higher... and katakuri dodged it after 12+hours of fight and being fatally wounded while not using awakening vs snakeman for plot reasons!.!.! strength you say? overall strength goes to katakuri if we count ancient zoan df as strength indicator we should also count the awakening of katakuri where he makes these haki coated fists which he can manifest them into being enormous in size and these fists almost made g4boundman eyes pop out sending him endlessly flying and katakuri can create dozens of them and launch them repeatedly with high speed combining them with a better armament than that of king aka block mochi... remember katakuri can create these fists not only close to him but in various distances meaning he will create fists next to king's face even if he is in the sky attempting to attack fire udon or fire also him not being fazed by these attacks when the flame is on doesnt mean katakuri cant wrap him up or straight up stop him and if he goes to speed mode kat can straight up pummel him with king doing little to nothing the dude got 3 shotted on this fight and im not downplaying my man king its literally what happened katakuri can at the very least tank 2 of zoro's attacks but its just flame mode that allows him to be immensly durable but lose efficiency in other aspects where there are qualities in there such as speed to matchup katakuri meaning flame mode will just stall the fight not giving a favorite to none and another terrible terrible argument which proved you didnt paid attention in this video is that king ISNT invincible like how you make him to be flame on means he is durable and has access to fire flame off means he becomes super fast yet not fast enough to match up katakuri but fast enough to get some hits in after a long fought battle... which means king needs to rotate back and forth him staying with flames on he will spam flamed attacks which katakuri will dodge besides katakuri with awakening can create somewhat infinite amounts of mochi which has enough mass to stop king's fire and stall it so he can dodge afterwards and will use this awakening to annoy king who will just go up in the air meaning larger distance meaning more room for katakuri to use awakening and have the longest fight in the century since big mass can extinguish the fire depending on the tempature... so even if king's fire manages to go through katakuri will straight up dodge it effortlesly... and king is the one who can change things up by rotating into speed mode which is the form that can get damaged they will clash and eventually king will get pummeled if not right away whenever king decides to turn flames off 5+ block mochi awakened fists will be waiting since katakuri has hax FS king will have to go through katakuri's awakening to connect an attack and even if he managed to dodge he simply wont hit katakuri since katakuri is faster and has FS in fact king is also lower in terms of iq and skill undeniably which means this scenario is the closest on being true... king being durable only works when flames are on and becomes super fast when flames are off people ignore that and combine them into 1 LOL he cant do both otherwise he could be the strongest character king displayed immense durability the dude with flames on wasnt harmed even when zoro used advanced conqueror coating on his attacks but he needed to be effective offensively and he turned off his flames to attack a much much slower opponent and katakuri undoubtebly is faster than both so king is forced to rotate meaning whenever he switch to flames off he gets chip damage or huge depending on the circumstance.. you said katakuri cant harm king and man thats false. not even zoro could damage king when the flames where on but when flames are off pretty much anyone can damage him REGARDLESS of how much the attack will affect whoever says otherwise shouldnt be allowed to watch the series due to misinformation spreading based off of massive bias! There is a detail and watch near the end where king launches his final attack IMPERIAL GUARDIAN FLAMING DRAGON his flames turned off meaning when king prepares and launches such an attack his flames turn off leaving him vulnarable to damage and katakuri will for sure dodge it but probaply wont have to since he will just see FS watch king turn his flames off preparing his attack and prevent him or even end the fight there with countless power mochi attacks, depending how long the battle lasted up to that point, again bro if i cant change your mind i dont really care since i love king myself i literally have him as my background picture on pc but there are horrible arguments from people that come from king's agenda and even worse from marco but thats a different topic... we had a full display of feats and only a handful of people figured things out if king is only able to be damaged by conq coating how would you explain him not being damaged after a conq coating onigiri when he had flames on how would you explain him being defeated by green bull when he stabbed king and his stabbing attack didnt had conq coating and him also definitely not having it? we not only see king needs to rotate in order to have more efficient damage with speed mode but also is limited to his flames on form when he used his final attack on zoro and the flames on his back werent active... but oda was stupidly rushing the pace so we didnt get deeper details
@@okashira073 All that but Zoro is gonna end Katakuri's whole carreer with 1 shishi sonson. Katakuri will use FS and run away from Zoro when he sees his fate.
@Aadikar Bhandari "DoNt cOmPaRe iT tO KaT" when the F did i zorotard? but you re proud of your boy wearing his mighty plot armor trading a grade BLACK BLADE for non grade blade and SOMEHOW its stronger? hell no!!! also did you liked how zoro skipped the basic conq haki usage and went straight to the advanced? dont try say your stuff to me... also kaido was NEVER SERIOUS until he dropped luffy a 2nd time in onigashima and WHEN he went serious the dude was hallucinating and ended luffy right away without even realizing it!!! it was NEVER implied that he used conq coating to cover his body this is a straight up headcanon of yours to elevate zoro... you should understand that by now... topic is different and you RANDOMLY coming here just to defend your husband i wrote BOOKS and you say that? which a different topic? you dont belong to any powerscaling conversation... kaido literally just took the attack of zoro and he flinched a heck of a lot thats it... zoro is impressive if you give him the plot armor he becomes non sense and thats what happened if you re proud of him getting conq haki by skipping the basic usage and going straight to the advanced then you re part of the plague side of the community
@@okashira073 Zoro skipped Basic conqueror usage because he was already using basic conq via Ashura. He unlocked Acoc by conqueroring Enma. Hybrid Kaido suppressed > Start of Wano Luffy, Ashura Zoro > Suppressed Hybrid Kaido in a 1v1. King of Hell Zoro > Ashura Zoro. Zoro wouldn't beat Kaido but he did more than Luffy did at the start of Wano. Start of Onigashima Zoro > Katakuri. It's not plot armor, Zoro was using Haki for a long time and he didn't know about it. Ashura is Zoro imposing his will on his enemies. He has used Conq multiple times before but never knew it. He had a teacher like Mihawk at the end of the day who just let him figure shit out until it stuck. The most we've seen Zoro talk about Mihawk's teaching is Mihawk talking about black blades and arnament haki. Zoro Scarred Kaido and even Kaido told him that it was enough for him. He's the most impressive Yonko Commander we've seen in the series so far, not even Marco would've been able to hurt Kaido that much(despite it not being that much)
In their final clash you see pretty clearly that King had his flame active. And saying Zoro hit king with adv conq haki before that and it didn't work is pretty dumb because Zoro literally JUST learned it so of course it's gonna take a while before it actually packs a punch strong enough to cut through an on fire Lunarian.
Hey man good work on this one you've earned a subscriber with me please do more in-depth videos on parts 1 - 3 of Wano and a video going to depth about kid and laws fight please at least a good 10 minutes
Do you think Zoro has better armament haki than Luffy? I think he does, I am not sure if he has internal destruction but whatever he has is greater than Luffy’s. My reason for this is: 1 Zoro’s specialty is armament. 2 Kinemon had adv armament but was not even able to hold enma and Zoro on his first try was able to wield it better than Kinemon. Then he trained for few weeks and then again he learned to go all out with his haki against King. adv armament haki Kinemon
In theory he must since swordsmen in general rely a lot on armament, but I don't think zoro does for now. I think his armament is stronger because of affinity but luffy is better at its use for now (because of plot purposes). I know that for a fact because in the rooftop when luffy first attacked kaido and they noticed his attack worked, zoro said "so that's the haki the old man taught him" implying zoro didn't know how to do that or what it was. Which to me would make no sense considering zoro trained 2 years with mihawk but again, plot. When it comes to your second statement, you are mistaken imo. Kinemon having adv armament is irrelevant with Emma, because what you need is enough will power to command Emma, not good use of armament. Now this is just me speculating but I think there might be a level beyond Ryo that zoro may have actually tapped in vs king. Those green flames he had on his swords may actually be the result of applying adv conqueror on a different way to boost your armament instead of just using adv conq for attack boost in general. The reason why I say this is because kaido pointed out that luffy was using both adv armament and adv conq at the same time, which means kaido wasn't or couldn't do the same thing. Also notice how adv conq makes you attack someone without touching, but if I'm not mistaken zoro's and king's sword were actually touching, so is it possible that zoro somehow was actually using his adv conq to insanely boost his armament instead of using it like luffy was ? This also reminds that mihawk slashes are also green colored. Is the green color a sign of extremely adv or powerful armament? I think kol talked about this on a video
Cool fight analysis, but I have to disagree on some points: 1-Zoro did need conqueror’s haki to beat king, since In the entire series there hasn’t been a power up for the crew unless they needed them to win, like Gear 5 or Sanji’s blue flames 2-the moment zoro unlocks haki infusion we notice king switch to speed mode immediately, since he realized zoro’s attack power had a massive buff and until the end of the fight we never see him try to tank any attacks even with flames on (we can notice that by king’s comment | I can sense the threat you represent| )
5:30 zoro landed an attack with adv coc and he said “flames are burning it wont work” and gear 5 wasnt what luffy needed to win, gear 5 isn’t enough to penetrate kaidos scales, even if he got gear five with no advanced haki he cant injure kaido also again, sanjis upgrades werent exactly neccesary for him to win, he just got stronger and defeated queen, and honestly destroyed him which means his upgrades were more like overkill than a neccesity zoro never even mentioned his attacks being too weak, he said “i have to figure out his race or i cant win” and this emphasized by the fact that ppl like the admrials, garp, shiki, etc would definitely be able to beat king once they figure out the weakness even with no adv coc haki
@@D.Strawhat Well yes of course I agree Luffy did need advanced haki forms to beat kaido, but that alone wasn’t enough to the point he came back from dead and infused gear 5+ haki to win(both power ups) And I also agree regarding the other characters beating king simply because they are superior even without conqueror’s,tho fight would probably last longer(like kizaru vs Marco) as kizaru was stronger, he had Marco hand cuffed due to his instant regeneration.. At the end I still cling to my points regarding zoro vs king but I’m pretty sure the anime will make it clear how his power works, so let’s make sure to come back here soon 😂👍
@@D.Strawhat I think you misunderstanding something. King is not a dummy who would keep exposing himself. Zoro defeated King with his flames on in their final attacks.
@@sisekodeyi6604 no he literally didnt 😂😭 bro just read 1035 or whatever chapter it is, zoro literally says “oh flames are on that did no damage” idk why ppl are having trouble understanding this, zoro literally says it
@@D.Strawhat What does that even prove because that was before Zoro even realized he was using aCoC. Look at both panels that King was using that lava dragon attack, he had flames on his back. So now are you saying Oda made a mistake with those flames??
Imo no you obviously don't need adcoc to beat king but you either need hax like Marcos effect on fire with his fire ability to counter king or green bull who's plants looks like they ignore durability to drain you if the attack lands. The other is just high AP like akainu's magma or BB's quakes. Any AP that should be extremely high that would harm king. Imo I do think king is the strongest yc1 but it doesn't mean others don't have a chance to beat him.
well u would need high ap to beat any commander, im just saying the only way to beat him is by figuring out his race. So it doesnt matter if its gol d roger, if he doesnt understand the weakness he wont be doing any damage
@@D.Strawhat no you don't. When I say high AP I mean near it at top tier out put. You don't need extremely high best of of the best to beat any high tier outside of king and maybe jozu. The yc can beat each other and none have high AP except maybe king with his magma dragon. Nope someone like Roger wouldn't need to figure out his race because his attacks would already be strong enough to break kings durability. Zoro unlocking CoC had king dodging for his life so what would you expect Roger to do to him? Thing I point out is to beat king you need a specific way as just hitting him would do nothing. Like kata can beat him with suffocation and Marco could beat him by negating his flame durability. Hax and high AP are the only 2 ways to beat king. Even if someone figured out his race and how his powers worked if king just stayed in defense mode the character could never win unless they had hax or high AP. Like say cracker fought king and figured out his powers, he'd still never beat king because he has neither hax or high AP.
There was also a panel with King stating he was tired. King and Marco were fighting 1v1 since sanji was fighting with Queen. Plus Zoro got healed back to 100% while King just got done fighting a 1st commander. Zoro was definitely perfected my plot armor.
Only real issue is king didn't take adcoc he dodged it. This is why Zoro asked him why he was running when before he took attacks head on. But otherwise good video.
"Zoro attacks with purgatory onigiri and it does no damage" "Even with advanced conquerors you can't hurt king with his flames up" King actually dodges the purgatory onigiri in that panel, despite the fact his flames are up. That actually suggests the opposite of what you're saying. If he can't be hurt at all when his flames are up why did he dodge the adv conq slash. The more accurate scan of that panel is the one where he says "the flames are on" "no point in attacking now" That durability claim for king alsp goes against what you said earlier about no adv conquerors zoro making king block.
@@D.Strawhat like i said that's what he says in that scan. in a different one he says "the flames are on" "no point in attacking now" after the attack missed, talking about a potential future attack. the other stuff that I pointed out suggests this scan is the accurate one
The green bull and Marco fights where bullshit to progress the story. I would take that with a grain of salt. If king's fire is up they couldn't hurt him just capture him.
To me it’s really weird to say the fight would’ve been easy for zoro if he knew kings weakness from the jump.. like that’s the point of a fight 😂 neither side knows anything initially . Saying that then we might as well say if kings weakness was never discovered zoro would’ve lost 🥱
True but i only mention it because his strength isnt really whats impressive its just his invincibly hack. Its not the same as just raw endurance like zoro
Zoro needed 3 hits to defeat king even after knowing his weakness and that version of zoro is stronger than roof top zoro who forced dragon form kaido to dodge No yonko commander in one piece have better durability than king
One thing i don't understand in this fight king sees zorro is on his last legs he will collapse soon king has a fruit TO FLY !!! Why hasn't he just fly away and I don't know HELP HIS CREW BEATING THE ENEMYS !!! Zorro would have been break down anyway
No. The only reason Zoro was able to beat King was ACOC. Zoro can damage King with fire on we know this because Zoro mocks King for dodging when before he could tank his attacks. King then admits he senses the threat Zoro poses. If Zoro couldn’t hurt King why would he need to turn off his fire and use a form that puts him in danger? No it wasn’t just because he needed it to hit Zoro. It’s because if he didn’t switch to speed and finished Zoro. Zoro would cut him down with his flames on eventually. If King wasn’t hurt by Zoro he could stay with flame on mode and wait till Zoro ran out of energy (Zoro tells him that they need to finish this before Enma kills him). We know King can keep his fire on casually so it’s not a strain on him. So the only reason he would have for him to go fire off is because fire on didn’t protect him. It’s just the only conclusion that makes sense if you think about it.
@@D.Strawhat Greenbull fight was offscreen but it’s very likely he didn’t fight King and Queen at fullpower due the fact that Babanuki(I think that’s how you spell it) was still under Tama’s control and was the Udon prison warden. So he was likely in charge of watching over the beast pirates as they are now prisoners as it wouldn’t make sense for the Allies to just leave them free and go party. Also I said Zoro needed ACOC. GB is an admiral with what seems to be a black blade (could also not be) and the ability to absorb nutrients from others his ap should be higher than Zoros. Just by the fact that Zoro isn’t on an admiral tier of strength I think we can both agree right?
zoro : the fire is burning so that attack didnt make a scratch implying that the attack definitely connected so YES flames on king cant be damaged LOL 5:24 watch it yes i know the panel somewhat feels like he dodged but yet zoro says otherwise confirming pretty much that onigiri was succesfully connected yet king felt no damage!.!.!
@@Bon-Kaizer you re right i went and searched! still though zoro saying when the flames are on there is no point in attacking now meaning king feels no damage when the flames are on his back anyway, its just a stamina issue thats why king later says "im close to my limit" and we see him blocking zoro's attacks meaning although he wont be damaged the defenses wont stay there forever its very similar to marco they dont feel damage but when they re succesfully attacked their stamina is harmed therefore they wont be able to use those defensive abilities infinitely, then king demonstrated the limit of his ability when he used his final attack to zoro and the flames on his back turned off he had no reason to turn them off so he couldt keep them anymore hence why zoro succesfully cut him... in a previous dialogue when king kicked zoro in the face zoro said "he sped up that means i can cut him" the fire was not on his back and zoro succesfully connected the attack... thanks for making me search further it was a trip on the truth
@@Bon-Kaizer damn man these mistransaltions its like watching 1 manga with 2 completely different dialogues and maybe more than 3 sometimes... he actually said to zoro "i sense the threat you respresnt" but the implication was there, we see king hard breathing as he's saying that then starts trying to block zoro's attacks despite him feeling no damage with his flames active on his back... the meaning overall is the same the translation though is different...
The most annoying thing now is can a Lunarian be hurt by aCoC even with their flames on? When Zoro used KOH Rengoku Onigiri, he said it wouldn’t work because the flames were on. And then this bloody Oda had to make King dodge the attack. Just make King stand there like a statue and tank the attack😒. Now we can’t confirm anything. Towards the end, King started blocking Zoro attacks and it seemed like his flames were on. But as the drawing isnt v clear, others may argue it’s King’s hair instead of flames🤦♂️. And then when King used his final attack, the flames were off. Damn you Oda, why you do this to us!? But anyway, I think Lunarians can be hurt by aCoC attacks even with their flames on.
What other fights would you like to see me analyze?
I know it's rather old and might take some research but Doflamingo vs Luffy. Many make it seem like Luffy low-diffed Doffy but he didn't. And take into account the damage law had done before hand
@@ezeohan doffy got absolutely destroyed but i will analyze the fight cuz i think ppl wank doffy way too much
@@D.Strawhat fair enough
I disagree with your take on king being beaten by characters without Conquerers, it’s an important part of why Zoro won cause kings durability is insane being lunarian plus his df.
@@Aacezay lunarian defense is unstoppable it doesnt matter what u use, not even adv coc haki can hurt king with his flames on
the point of the fight was learning kings weakness, zoro says that repeatedly, also zoro dropps king in like 3 attacks, its not about conquerors haki its about kings weakness
All of Zoros fights are about him figuring out how to cut something or someone. And the king fight was that plus him figuring out how to use Enma, or fighting Enma too. Zoro was also already fighting kaido. If Zoro came in 100 percent without trying to compete with Enma. Yeah a different fight indeed.
He did say there is nothing he can’t cut
the fights are about him trying to figure out their weakness untill he sees that they are black and gets an insane ap boost
In his fight with Kakku was it about how to cut a giraffe?
@@2FINE4YOUBABYGIRL he bodied kakus new and improved twsiting shigan awakened gun with 2 swords, kaku got CLOWNED on
Imagine a billion fold world with King of Hell.
Best OP analysis channel I encountered. Sticking to the facts, no headcanon, appreciating and highlighting covert yet important details. Nice one my brother.👍
your channel is too underrated bro, the way you debunk one piece fights and characters is something no other channels do.
i try and powerscale as accurate as i possibly can
Yeah but also alot of characters will still do little to no damage to king. He was tested on for his endurance/ durability cause of his race. I don't think you need CoC either but you def need some serious ap. Kicking him around ain't gonna ko him & tying up isn't happening to a healthy king with his sword also imo. (As easy)
yea greenbull is lucky they were injured
@@D.Strawhat nah it wouldn’t have been hard for him
@A Great Man Named Lieu nah bro they rested for a week and they were zoans
@@Relax_Rombey but they cannot heal big ass injury just like kaido was unable to heal the scar for 20 years ( which oden gave him)
@@rion1081 kaido did heal from it, luffy and zoro were in a worse state and they exactly needed a week
This was the best analysis I’ve seen on this
Technically Zoro also beat Daz Bones with only one single hit that worked. But it was still an extreme high diff fight at that time as Zoro almost died a couple of times.
Just saying that the number of hits aren't necessarily a measurement for the difficulty of a fight.
true
It was only high diff because he couldn’t cut iron at that time so it was basically impossible
@Egg ot doesn't matter what the reason was
@@luis15317 it does though if he has the ability to cut iron he would’ve one shotted Daz like he did after he reached that state or whatever and one shorting = low difficulty at most
@@egg3282 but he didn't have so it was a extreme high diff as he almost dies several times and was lucky to survive at a certain point
we need more videos like this breaking down a specific fight - this is dope
if king is not in a rush, he couldve just made the enemy tire out
Adv Coc is an instant durability neg that's why King had to switch to flame-off mode to end the fight. Yes, it would not have done any external damage but internally it would have caused massive damage with multiple attacks.
Damn, they were many things I missed because I was breezing thru the chapters. Great analysis, imma have to be coming to your vids more often when debating 😅
Yes finally someone talking about how king was more durable with his flames and then imagine without his flames
I appreciate this analysis. Zoro is never actually weaker than his opponents, he always has to figure out their hacks
This video helped me a lot for a video I'm working on. Thank you
glad i could help👍🏾
King's defensive ability can compare with Diamond Jozu's DF but of course if someone uses advance conquerors against Jozu, it's gonna be a different conversation. So I would say King's defensive ability is definitely in a different level. That's why their race were called Gods.
yea jozu is tough but anyone with haki can hurt him
King's defensive ability comparable to Jozu? 🤣 lol where the hell are you getting these facts from? You know what diamond is? The HARDEST freaking material on the planet. Lol Zoro fanbase is utterly stupid
@@an_orange8911 You do know that diamonds are easy to smash, right? Let's not forget the fact that Zoro's more than strong enough to cut through real life diamonds even during Dressrosa. Can't really compare Diamond durability to a fictional race known for there durability.
@@an_orange8911 you clearly shouldnt be allowed commenting about powerscale.... 5:24 an attack that would for SURE damage jozu severely king just felt no damage as ZORO HIMSELF SAYS and that attack is adv conq coated!!! king's durability is the strongest we ve seen so far not even zoro's adv conq blade attacks cannt damage this dude when flames are on as we clearly saw in that disaprove the crap you posted as well as proving what i said its truth
You got a very underrated channel. I'll be waiting for sanji vs queen and kid and law vs big mom
i’ll definitely be doing sanji vs queen, kid and law bs big mom will come afterwards
This was real good bro.
Stunning channel and video
Great job dude
🤝🏻
thank you 🙏
Okay. I made sure to listen carefully and prove you wrong. If kings flames really did burst into magma does it mean it went off? Clearly the answer is NO. So Zoro did defeat king when his flame was on. Yeah if Zoro did understood king from the beginning it would have been an easy fight for sure but advanced conqueror+ advanced armament attack did the magic to be sincere. Even as at that it would be better for Oda to confirm it himself because people mostly makes Zoros quote but there must be a significance of Zoro unlocking adv conq this kings fight should make us understand now that Zoro is capable of cutting anything he wishes. Thank you bro.
I like these in depth analysis
Why the thumbnail is part 1 edit ?
Btw love your analysis on this fight
i titled it wrong by accident lol
In Luffy vs Kaido fight Luffy upgraded multiple times. What's your take on each of those upgrades and how strong was Luffy exactly after each upgrade relative to another top tier.
base form with ryou+adv coc= admiral-low yonko
gear 4 ryou+adv coc= yonko level
Gear 5 ryou+adv coc= yonko level (stronger)
Agreed. Do a video on your top 30 (alive n current). interested in it. Also Kinemon vs Franky
@@basantadhamala3715 kinemon vs franky would be interesting i’ll do a quick video on that
@@basantadhamala3715 also i will definitely make a top 30 its gonna take a while tho lol
@@D.Strawhat I feel like Gear 4 with the advanced haki forms is still around a low Admiral and once he hits gear 5 it's definitely established Yonko tier.
You do not need adv coc to defeat King but you need atleast Zoro pre adv coc level AP at the very least to do any significant damage to king even in his less durable state.
well zoro has advanced conquerors haki, but u just need a lot of AP it doesnt have to be conquerors related, also even with weaker armament attacks he can be hurt it would just take a lot longer to put him down
@@D.Strawhat Do you think Katakuri will be able to put hi down. I think Katakuri won’t be able to hurt him even in his less durable state(wci katakuri).
And one thing we didn’t get to see was kings insane endurance which was hyped up because of how op Zoro’s adv coc was.
@@xenoxerex477 I think extreme diff king might beat katakuri because he has greater defense than kat but i think it’ll be a tough fight cuz katakuri has much better haki
@@D.Strawhat yes need at least relative or better AP to do damage to king agree
@@D.Strawhat the problem is that king can just span area attacks at Katakuri in his defensive form and Katakuri can't damage him or get close and dodging literal explosions is pretty hard
bro do more content like this and you end up getting a consistent viewer 😳
will do 😳
Marko may not have done much but he held off 2 commanders himself with relative ease to begin with. King and Queen would later be defeated in 1v1 battles not 2v1 as was the case with marko who had also previously fought prespero and big mom. Marco if anything this arc showed just how powerful he really is.
big mom barely tried and perospero was perfectly fine, and again marco got destroyed theres no such thing as “with ease” marco literally said its tough to do😂 i dont understand why fans say these things he literally lost and they didnt even use their full abilities against him and marco did like no significant damage
@@D.Strawhat he still had harder battles than Sanji and zoro this raid. Regardless of wether big mom and prospero were fine his goal was to protect carrot. Not defeat them. He pushed them back. Same with king and queen he fought them both at once holding both off at the same time. Had he not held them off the raid probably wpuld have failed. Neither Sanji or zoro could have done this. Marco is a beast. There's a reason he was whitebeards no.1.
Sanji lost to King and zoro only beat king because he figured out his weakness. That and seeing king was black.
@@nicholascharles9625 yea i think marco>sanji for sure, i dont think sanji is stronger than the first commanders but i think he can hold his own against them
as for zoro i think advanced conquerors haki+ryou puts him in another league above marco, a battle between zoro and marco would be nearly the same as king vs zoro accept marco doesnt have kings invulnerability, he does have regen so it would take zoro longer to win the fight but i think extreme diff zoro could win
@A Great Man Named Lieu Marco did a Good Job we didnt saw him going all out so yeah and remember He tanked Kizarus Attack like it was nothing
its says that zoro defeats king in chapter 1036 right so if you get 36 and switch them it will say 63 so i think zoro is gonna defeat king in anime will be episode 1063
Your description of how King and Queen are practically equal in strength is why I think Luffy would require Gear 4 at least for Zoro to have to really push himself. And Snake Man is too easy of a target for Zoro because Luffy has to be stationary when he attacks, and Zoro is a much smaller target than Kaido.
*King and Zoro.
The most durable beast pirate Luffy could take down in one hit as he is now would probably be Page One or Ulti.
At least I think their the most durable besides Queen and King.
king>queen and luffy>zoro they're not practically equal tbh, its clear king and luffy are superior
@@D.Strawhat Yes their superior, but even though there is a gap, it's not massive like the gap between Big Mom and Katakuri.
I’m starting to wonder if part of zoro’s innate haki is being able to survive and continue to fight getting stronger near death. Because how many times should have our boy had injuries that cripple him for years or life if not kill him
Well tbh he was blocking a no acoc zoro dragon twister yet without flames he tanked 3 acoc attacks so uh idk what he was doing considering he could tank it and he tanked stronger attacks
awesome vid
Hmm, could you do a Katakuri vs King match? Personally, I'm team King.
Not only is King stronger because he is scaled to post rooftop Zoro (Who made Kaido dodge), but he should theoretically be faster since Zoro could keep up with Kaido even if by a little.
Ofcourse the big thing is observation Haki & Lunarian Blood. King can have a chance to hit Katakuri, though even if Katakuri hits King nothing will happen (His AP is not above rooftop Zoro). Truly, King can just fly and rain down hell without ever needing to actually get in close.
horrible argument... zoro would have gotten speed blitzed countless times by kaido if law wasnt there... kaido wasnt serious until luffy got conq haki coat... katakuri dodged snakeman and in many ocasions not only dodged it but also ultimately outspeed it this kings speed>katakuri's is a horrible argument and its based off of zorotards that want to say his challenger is better than luffy's to somewhat equalize him with his captain... zoro isnt considered a fast enough character its just that certain techniques are speed boosted for better efficience aka shishisonson onigiri and zoro reacted to king's speed and striked back at it while snakeman twice couldnt react after long boosted speed attacks python and black mamba are the fastest attacks of snakeman and snakeman DIDNT EVEN REACT when he took a buzz cut mochi and a knee to the face anime/manga showed that!! and YES king's speed is immense but katakuri is straight up faster not by much but enough to easily dodge him especially with FS and the agility of his df... the attacks of snakeman who had fs (meaning it can react and redirect the direction of his attacks much more accurately) at that time and his attack speed is definitely top2 in the verse up to this point and only and maybe kizaru's sacret jewel could rank higher... and katakuri dodged it after 12+hours of fight and being fatally wounded while not using awakening vs snakeman for plot reasons!.!.! strength you say? overall strength goes to katakuri if we count ancient zoan df as strength indicator we should also count the awakening of katakuri where he makes these haki coated fists which he can manifest them into being enormous in size and these fists almost made g4boundman eyes pop out sending him endlessly flying and katakuri can create dozens of them and launch them repeatedly with high speed combining them with a better armament than that of king aka block mochi... remember katakuri can create these fists not only close to him but in various distances meaning he will create fists next to king's face even if he is in the sky attempting to attack fire udon or fire also him not being fazed by these attacks when the flame is on doesnt mean katakuri cant wrap him up or straight up stop him and if he goes to speed mode kat can straight up pummel him with king doing little to nothing the dude got 3 shotted on this fight and im not downplaying my man king its literally what happened katakuri can at the very least tank 2 of zoro's attacks but its just flame mode that allows him to be immensly durable but lose efficiency in other aspects where there are qualities in there such as speed to matchup katakuri meaning flame mode will just stall the fight not giving a favorite to none and another terrible terrible argument which proved you didnt paid attention in this video is that king ISNT invincible like how you make him to be flame on means he is durable and has access to fire flame off means he becomes super fast yet not fast enough to match up katakuri but fast enough to get some hits in after a long fought battle... which means king needs to rotate back and forth him staying with flames on he will spam flamed attacks which katakuri will dodge besides katakuri with awakening can create somewhat infinite amounts of mochi which has enough mass to stop king's fire and stall it so he can dodge afterwards and will use this awakening to annoy king who will just go up in the air meaning larger distance meaning more room for katakuri to use awakening and have the longest fight in the century since big mass can extinguish the fire depending on the tempature... so even if king's fire manages to go through katakuri will straight up dodge it effortlesly... and king is the one who can change things up by rotating into speed mode which is the form that can get damaged they will clash and eventually king will get pummeled if not right away whenever king decides to turn flames off 5+ block mochi awakened fists will be waiting since katakuri has hax FS king will have to go through katakuri's awakening to connect an attack and even if he managed to dodge he simply wont hit katakuri since katakuri is faster and has FS in fact king is also lower in terms of iq and skill undeniably which means this scenario is the closest on being true... king being durable only works when flames are on and becomes super fast when flames are off people ignore that and combine them into 1 LOL he cant do both otherwise he could be the strongest character king displayed immense durability the dude with flames on wasnt harmed even when zoro used advanced conqueror coating on his attacks but he needed to be effective offensively and he turned off his flames to attack a much much slower opponent and katakuri undoubtebly is faster than both so king is forced to rotate meaning whenever he switch to flames off he gets chip damage or huge depending on the circumstance.. you said katakuri cant harm king and man thats false. not even zoro could damage king when the flames where on but when flames are off pretty much anyone can damage him REGARDLESS of how much the attack will affect whoever says otherwise shouldnt be allowed to watch the series due to misinformation spreading based off of massive bias!
There is a detail and watch near the end where king launches his final attack IMPERIAL GUARDIAN FLAMING DRAGON his flames turned off meaning when king prepares and launches such an attack his flames turn off leaving him vulnarable to damage and katakuri will for sure dodge it but probaply wont have to since he will just see FS watch king turn his flames off preparing his attack and prevent him or even end the fight there with countless power mochi attacks, depending how long the battle lasted up to that point, again bro if i cant change your mind i dont really care since i love king myself i literally have him as my background picture on pc but there are horrible arguments from people that come from king's agenda and even worse from marco but thats a different topic... we had a full display of feats and only a handful of people figured things out if king is only able to be damaged by conq coating how would you explain him not being damaged after a conq coating onigiri when he had flames on how would you explain him being defeated by green bull when he stabbed king and his stabbing attack didnt had conq coating and him also definitely not having it? we not only see king needs to rotate in order to have more efficient damage with speed mode but also is limited to his flames on form when he used his final attack on zoro and the flames on his back werent active... but oda was stupidly rushing the pace so we didnt get deeper details
@@okashira073 All that but Zoro is gonna end Katakuri's whole carreer with 1 shishi sonson. Katakuri will use FS and run away from Zoro when he sees his fate.
@Aadikar Bhandari "DoNt cOmPaRe iT tO KaT" when the F did i zorotard? but you re proud of your boy wearing his mighty plot armor trading a grade BLACK BLADE for non grade blade and SOMEHOW its stronger? hell no!!! also did you liked how zoro skipped the basic conq haki usage and went straight to the advanced? dont try say your stuff to me... also kaido was NEVER SERIOUS until he dropped luffy a 2nd time in onigashima and WHEN he went serious the dude was hallucinating and ended luffy right away without even realizing it!!! it was NEVER implied that he used conq coating to cover his body this is a straight up headcanon of yours to elevate zoro... you should understand that by now... topic is different and you RANDOMLY coming here just to defend your husband i wrote BOOKS and you say that? which a different topic? you dont belong to any powerscaling conversation... kaido literally just took the attack of zoro and he flinched a heck of a lot thats it... zoro is impressive if you give him the plot armor he becomes non sense and thats what happened if you re proud of him getting conq haki by skipping the basic usage and going straight to the advanced then you re part of the plague side of the community
@@okashira073 Zoro skipped Basic conqueror usage because he was already using basic conq via Ashura. He unlocked Acoc by conqueroring Enma. Hybrid Kaido suppressed > Start of Wano Luffy, Ashura Zoro > Suppressed Hybrid Kaido in a 1v1. King of Hell Zoro > Ashura Zoro. Zoro wouldn't beat Kaido but he did more than Luffy did at the start of Wano. Start of Onigashima Zoro > Katakuri. It's not plot armor, Zoro was using Haki for a long time and he didn't know about it. Ashura is Zoro imposing his will on his enemies. He has used Conq multiple times before but never knew it. He had a teacher like Mihawk at the end of the day who just let him figure shit out until it stuck. The most we've seen Zoro talk about Mihawk's teaching is Mihawk talking about black blades and arnament haki. Zoro Scarred Kaido and even Kaido told him that it was enough for him. He's the most impressive Yonko Commander we've seen in the series so far, not even Marco would've been able to hurt Kaido that much(despite it not being that much)
@@sahadanazary9364 Lol do you think Katakuri is a coward or something?
quick question how can law move zoro when zoro haki is stronger also can law move current manga luffy?
definitely cant move luffy and probably cant move zoro
I think it has more to do with actively trying to impose haki (to counter such attacks) then being immune all the time.
In their final clash you see pretty clearly that King had his flame active. And saying Zoro hit king with adv conq haki before that and it didn't work is pretty dumb because Zoro literally JUST learned it so of course it's gonna take a while before it actually packs a punch strong enough to cut through an on fire Lunarian.
I would add more to this but nevermind. Really solid analysis
What if king kept his flammes on the entil battre
That boy king has parallels wit marco, katakuri and fucking zoro
Hey man good work on this one you've earned a subscriber with me please do more in-depth videos on parts 1 - 3 of Wano and a video going to depth about kid and laws fight please at least a good 10 minutes
Do you think Zoro has better armament haki than Luffy?
I think he does, I am not sure if he has internal destruction but whatever he has is greater than Luffy’s.
My reason for this is:
1 Zoro’s specialty is armament.
2 Kinemon had adv armament but was not even able to hold enma and Zoro on his first try was able to wield it better than Kinemon. Then he trained for few weeks and then again he learned to go all out with his haki against King.
adv armament haki Kinemon
i was actually gonna make a video about this cuz i noticed this as well during this arc luffy, zoro and sanji emphasized what their specialties are
In theory he must since swordsmen in general rely a lot on armament, but I don't think zoro does for now. I think his armament is stronger because of affinity but luffy is better at its use for now (because of plot purposes). I know that for a fact because in the rooftop when luffy first attacked kaido and they noticed his attack worked, zoro said "so that's the haki the old man taught him" implying zoro didn't know how to do that or what it was. Which to me would make no sense considering zoro trained 2 years with mihawk but again, plot.
When it comes to your second statement, you are mistaken imo. Kinemon having adv armament is irrelevant with Emma, because what you need is enough will power to command Emma, not good use of armament.
Now this is just me speculating but I think there might be a level beyond Ryo that zoro may have actually tapped in vs king. Those green flames he had on his swords may actually be the result of applying adv conqueror on a different way to boost your armament instead of just using adv conq for attack boost in general. The reason why I say this is because kaido pointed out that luffy was using both adv armament and adv conq at the same time, which means kaido wasn't or couldn't do the same thing. Also notice how adv conq makes you attack someone without touching, but if I'm not mistaken zoro's and king's sword were actually touching, so is it possible that zoro somehow was actually using his adv conq to insanely boost his armament instead of using it like luffy was ? This also reminds that mihawk slashes are also green colored. Is the green color a sign of extremely adv or powerful armament? I think kol talked about this on a video
Cool fight analysis, but I have to disagree on some points:
1-Zoro did need conqueror’s haki to beat king, since In the entire series there hasn’t been a power up for the crew unless they needed them to win, like Gear 5 or Sanji’s blue flames
2-the moment zoro unlocks haki infusion we notice king switch to speed mode immediately, since he realized zoro’s attack power had a massive buff and until the end of the fight we never see him try to tank any attacks even with flames on (we can notice that by king’s comment | I can sense the threat you represent| )
5:30 zoro landed an attack with adv coc and he said “flames are burning it wont work” and gear 5 wasnt what luffy needed to win, gear 5 isn’t enough to penetrate kaidos scales, even if he got gear five with no advanced haki he cant injure kaido
also again, sanjis upgrades werent exactly neccesary for him to win, he just got stronger and defeated queen, and honestly destroyed him which means his upgrades were more like overkill than a neccesity
zoro never even mentioned his attacks being too weak, he said “i have to figure out his race or i cant win” and this emphasized by the fact that ppl like the admrials, garp, shiki, etc would definitely be able to beat king once they figure out the weakness even with no adv coc haki
@@D.Strawhat Well yes of course I agree Luffy did need advanced haki forms to beat kaido, but that alone wasn’t enough to the point he came back from dead and infused gear 5+ haki to win(both power ups)
And I also agree regarding the other characters beating king simply because they are superior even without conqueror’s,tho fight would probably last longer(like kizaru vs Marco) as kizaru was stronger, he had Marco hand cuffed due to his instant regeneration..
At the end I still cling to my points regarding zoro vs king but I’m pretty sure the anime will make it clear how his power works, so let’s make sure to come back here soon 😂👍
@@D.Strawhat I think you misunderstanding something. King is not a dummy who would keep exposing himself. Zoro defeated King with his flames on in their final attacks.
@@sisekodeyi6604 no he literally didnt 😂😭 bro just read 1035 or whatever chapter it is, zoro literally says “oh flames are on that did no damage” idk why ppl are having trouble understanding this, zoro literally says it
@@D.Strawhat What does that even prove because that was before Zoro even realized he was using aCoC. Look at both panels that King was using that lava dragon attack, he had flames on his back.
So now are you saying Oda made a mistake with those flames??
So your saying if Zoro just powered up for nothing , and just need to acknowledge his weaknesses to win the battle
The power up helped him to control enma
Bro with king and queen they were clearly still hurt when Greenbull showed up
I will save u 9 minutes
Zoro needed to know king race to enter minority hunter mode .
facts😂😂
katakuri vs king will be interesting!
i will definitely make a video on that
Imo no you obviously don't need adcoc to beat king but you either need hax like Marcos effect on fire with his fire ability to counter king or green bull who's plants looks like they ignore durability to drain you if the attack lands. The other is just high AP like akainu's magma or BB's quakes. Any AP that should be extremely high that would harm king. Imo I do think king is the strongest yc1 but it doesn't mean others don't have a chance to beat him.
well u would need high ap to beat any commander, im just saying the only way to beat him is by figuring out his race. So it doesnt matter if its gol d roger, if he doesnt understand the weakness he wont be doing any damage
@@D.Strawhat no you don't. When I say high AP I mean near it at top tier out put. You don't need extremely high best of of the best to beat any high tier outside of king and maybe jozu. The yc can beat each other and none have high AP except maybe king with his magma dragon.
Nope someone like Roger wouldn't need to figure out his race because his attacks would already be strong enough to break kings durability. Zoro unlocking CoC had king dodging for his life so what would you expect Roger to do to him? Thing I point out is to beat king you need a specific way as just hitting him would do nothing. Like kata can beat him with suffocation and Marco could beat him by negating his flame durability. Hax and high AP are the only 2 ways to beat king. Even if someone figured out his race and how his powers worked if king just stayed in defense mode the character could never win unless they had hax or high AP. Like say cracker fought king and figured out his powers, he'd still never beat king because he has neither hax or high AP.
There was also a panel with King stating he was tired. King and Marco were fighting 1v1 since sanji was fighting with Queen. Plus Zoro got healed back to 100% while King just got done fighting a 1st commander. Zoro was definitely perfected my plot armor.
Only real issue is king didn't take adcoc he dodged it. This is why Zoro asked him why he was running when before he took attacks head on. But otherwise good video.
Zoro : can't defeat King
King : turns out to be black
Zoro : 😈
Sanji vs queen please
"Zoro attacks with purgatory onigiri and it does no damage" "Even with advanced conquerors you can't hurt king with his flames up"
King actually dodges the purgatory onigiri in that panel, despite the fact his flames are up. That actually suggests the opposite of what you're saying. If he can't be hurt at all when his flames are up why did he dodge the adv conq slash.
The more accurate scan of that panel is the one where he says "the flames are on" "no point in attacking now"
That durability claim for king alsp goes against what you said earlier about no adv conquerors zoro making king block.
zoro literally says "flames are on that attacks no good" its not about what u can see in the panel, zoro tells u what is happening.
@@D.Strawhat like i said that's what he says in that scan. in a different one he says "the flames are on" "no point in attacking now" after the attack missed, talking about a potential future attack.
the other stuff that I pointed out suggests this scan is the accurate one
only other thing no1 talks about is zoro cud already cut fire, so king using a ranged fire based attack was never a threat to zoro
facts, king had no chance😂😂😂😂
Zoro just needed to know he was black in order to use his full strength
thats a working theory😂😂
The green bull and Marco fights where bullshit to progress the story. I would take that with a grain of salt. If king's fire is up they couldn't hurt him just capture him.
To me it’s really weird to say the fight would’ve been easy for zoro if he knew kings weakness from the jump.. like that’s the point of a fight 😂 neither side knows anything initially . Saying that then we might as well say if kings weakness was never discovered zoro would’ve lost 🥱
True but i only mention it because his strength isnt really whats impressive its just his invincibly hack. Its not the same as just raw endurance like zoro
Roronoa zoro-G.O.A.T
Zoro needed 3 hits to defeat king even after knowing his weakness and that version of zoro is stronger than roof top zoro who forced dragon form kaido to dodge
No yonko commander in one piece have better durability than king
king lost the moment he, a minority, faced zoro.
Advance conquers is strong but you can be strong without it
true i think with a good enough combination of abilites than u can become one of the strongest
First Marco didn't beat King, second Greenbull obviously win better of his DF hex and King being heavily damaged and in seastone cuffs.
One thing i don't understand in this fight king sees zorro is on his last legs he will collapse soon king has a fruit TO FLY !!! Why hasn't he just fly away and I don't know HELP HIS CREW BEATING THE ENEMYS !!!
Zorro would have been break down anyway
because this is shonen, the fight must go on even if it doesn’t actually make sense for the goal of the war😂
@@D.Strawhat absolute true after kaidos and big moms alliance there should have appaer ,,fin" on screen
I mean Zoro could just went back to fight someone else
post wano zoro with full controll of enma low-mid diffs king
No. The only reason Zoro was able to beat King was ACOC.
Zoro can damage King with fire on we know this because Zoro mocks King for dodging when before he could tank his attacks. King then admits he senses the threat Zoro poses.
If Zoro couldn’t hurt King why would he need to turn off his fire and use a form that puts him in danger? No it wasn’t just because he needed it to hit Zoro. It’s because if he didn’t switch to speed and finished Zoro. Zoro would cut him down with his flames on eventually. If King wasn’t hurt by Zoro he could stay with flame on mode and wait till Zoro ran out of energy (Zoro tells him that they need to finish this before Enma kills him).
We know King can keep his fire on casually so it’s not a strain on him. So the only reason he would have for him to go fire off is because fire on didn’t protect him.
It’s just the only conclusion that makes sense if you think about it.
Also for the purgatory onigiri King dodged that
3:43 greenbull did it without acoc😭😭😭😭
also we have ppl like the admirals, shiki, garp, etc without adv coc haki who would obviously whoop king
@@D.Strawhat Greenbull fight was offscreen but it’s very likely he didn’t fight King and Queen at fullpower due the fact that Babanuki(I think that’s how you spell it) was still under Tama’s control and was the Udon prison warden. So he was likely in charge of watching over the beast pirates as they are now prisoners as it wouldn’t make sense for the Allies to just leave them free and go party.
Also I said Zoro needed ACOC. GB is an admiral with what seems to be a black blade (could also not be) and the ability to absorb nutrients from others his ap should be higher than Zoros. Just by the fact that Zoro isn’t on an admiral tier of strength I think we can both agree right?
@@D.Strawhat yes those characters over King no one disagrees with that and I’m not saying everyone needs ACOC to damage him just that Zoro did.
Zoro was protected by plot armour lol
Coc and adv coc both in the same arc?! Oda really went extra hard to make Zoro stronger than other Strawhats 🤣
had to make it obvious cuz sanji fans are relentless, now they have to accept it
@@D.Strawhat this
King is stronger than katakuri tho
debatable
@@D.Strawhat yes it is !
Nah Oda nurffed King where is his aqh ? Where is his awaking ?
i dont know why he turned his flames off either, there will probably be more explanation later.
Most of characters are nerfed in this arc like BM for example
@@RedLights9000-f3l yeah it was annoying. Big mom not using conquere haki? Bs
King destroys Katakuri
King wasn’t hit with KOH OniGiri
He dodged it.
zoro : the fire is burning so that attack didnt make a scratch
implying that the attack definitely connected so YES flames on king cant be damaged LOL
5:24 watch it yes i know the panel somewhat feels like he dodged but yet zoro says otherwise confirming pretty much that onigiri was succesfully connected yet king felt no damage!.!.!
@@okashira073 in the official translations zoro says “the flames are on,no point in attacking now” so king did dodge it
@@Bon-Kaizer you re right i went and searched! still though zoro saying when the flames are on there is no point in attacking now meaning king feels no damage when the flames are on his back anyway, its just a stamina issue thats why king later says "im close to my limit" and we see him blocking zoro's attacks meaning although he wont be damaged the defenses wont stay there forever its very similar to marco they dont feel damage but when they re succesfully attacked their stamina is harmed therefore they wont be able to use those defensive abilities infinitely, then king demonstrated the limit of his ability when he used his final attack to zoro and the flames on his back turned off he had no reason to turn them off so he couldt keep them anymore hence why zoro succesfully cut him... in a previous dialogue when king kicked zoro in the face zoro said "he sped up that means i can cut him" the fire was not on his back and zoro succesfully connected the attack... thanks for making me search further it was a trip on the truth
@@okashira073 pretty sure king never said he’s at his limit
@@Bon-Kaizer damn man these mistransaltions its like watching 1 manga with 2 completely different dialogues and maybe more than 3 sometimes... he actually said to zoro "i sense the threat you respresnt" but the implication was there, we see king hard breathing as he's saying that then starts trying to block zoro's attacks despite him feeling no damage with his flames active on his back... the meaning overall is the same the translation though is different...
The most annoying thing now is can a Lunarian be hurt by aCoC even with their flames on? When Zoro used KOH Rengoku Onigiri, he said it wouldn’t work because the flames were on. And then this bloody Oda had to make King dodge the attack. Just make King stand there like a statue and tank the attack😒. Now we can’t confirm anything. Towards the end, King started blocking Zoro attacks and it seemed like his flames were on. But as the drawing isnt v clear, others may argue it’s King’s hair instead of flames🤦♂️. And then when King used his final attack, the flames were off. Damn you Oda, why you do this to us!? But anyway, I think Lunarians can be hurt by aCoC attacks even with their flames on.
SPOILER ALERT!!
King was handcuffed when green bull came btw
no no one had Hand cuffs there read again chapter