Piper Diesel DX Flight Demo
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- Piper is touring Europe with its new Archer DX diesel, and later this summer, the airplane will appear in the U.S. While in Europe, AVweb took a flight demo in the airplane, and here are some impressions.
LOVE THIS PLANE. I had the honor of doing, the first ferry flight to Europe in it, from South Caroline to Denmark in june15.
Their voices lack enthusiasm. I think this plane was a good decision for Piper. I love the sound of this engine/prop combo. The lower fuel cost, longer range, and the ease of just a throttle lever make this a winner.
Yes, I like it very much. Perfect for Europe.
Like this aircraft for the new pilot owners and trainers. It's very cost efficient,and finding jet-A is everywhere outside of the U.S. Easy on startups and mixtures are automatically controlled.
There are no mixtures in a Diesel engine.
Could be better flying with diesel or with avgas? What about maintenance costs?
Thank you :-)
It climbs better than the gasoline version once out of the initial climb due to the turbocharger.The gasoline version is also not a true 4 seat plane. The range is outstanding 848 NM (1,570 KM) vs 522 NM (967 KM) for gas version. US pilots will have access to higher flight levels giving better economy over Europe.
What i don't get is the 25deg flap on takeoff roll like a shortfield takeoff.
Naeem Siddiqui My Archer II will easily carry 4 passengers topped off with fuel
@@hammotox83 Yeah...those 4 passengers had better be sick emaciated individuals. You've only got about 635 pounds to work with if the tanks are full.
@@lorenjackson8961 it does depend on weight. I have an Archer II and carried myself, dad, mom, and brother on vacation with 75 lbs of bags in the back topped off. We were a few lbs below max gross. But we’re not super heavy. I’m 160, dad was 185, mom was 145, brother was 160.
This configuration gives it a useful load more in line with a Skyhawk. One reason people love the Cherokee. A true 4 seater! I would like to see a bigger diesel installed on an Arrow! Cessna put a
constant speed prop in the Cardinal, (loved it), but Piper never gave
that option on the Archer, with the same Lycoming 0-360. Why a turbo
diesel, and fixed pitch? If you are going to fly higher, the reason the
turbo was invented, why be stuck with a flat prop in thin air? When you
switch from fixed pitch to constant speed, you really see the
difference! If you want the full advantage of the turbo, you need to retract the gear, and match it to a prop that can grab thin air! The normally aspirated Archer is down to about 60% power at 10,000 feet.
Piper rep didn't seem too comfortable with the comments & questions regarding climb rate and revs on climb.
No he didn't.
Where do you get diesel fuel at an airport? The ones I've flown to only have AvGas and Jet-A. Do you have to borrow the crew car and go to the nearest gas station with a couple of tanks? Sounds a little inconvenient.
You can fly it with Jet-A. It is certified for that.
Interesting. That makes sense I guess since Jet-A is basically just kerosene. Jet-A is only marginally cheaper over here though, but maybe it's different in Europe. Still fascinating though.
How feasible is this for GA stolports. In my experience most don't have diesel tanks and infrastructure.
Good question, JET-A fuel is found at many GA airports and has a very similar chemical structure and energy density as diesel. These engines are tuned to run on JET-A allowing them to utilize JET-A fuel at airports.
that's not A20 you're wearing, is it ?
TomCook1993 no that's the X the predecessor of the a20
I like the idea of more fuel efficient diesel engines, but if you're gonna give an aircraft 4 seats, give it enough power to carry 4 people.
More power means more weight, and diesels are HEAVY.
I agree. I would like to see a bigger diesel installed on an Arrow! Cessna put a constant speed prop in the Cardinal, (loved it), but Piper never gave that option on the Archer, with the same Lycoming 0-360. Why a turbo diesel, and fixed pitch? If you are going to fly higher, the reason the turbo was invented, why be stuck with a flat prop in thin air? When you switch from fixed pitch to constant speed, you really see the difference!
@@ConvairDart106
Are there diesels available with variable pitch propellers?
Tell that to Mooney 😁
so about 2 hrs of flying and you make up the extra engine weight in fuel saving weight