Very helpful. I know you're busy but would love to see you post more videos. Think you have a real talent for breaking down complicated subjects into simple and easy to understand ideas 🙂
Thank you for the info, on 2008 i bought this mixer to istanbul municipality, but never had chance to use it, because i don't have coligue on higher positions 🤦🏽😳 Thats way im still useing Mackie analog mixer on my recordings on seconde studio.
You can also use low-latency monitoring in Pro Tools instead of having to mute the track you're recording. When a track is rec-armed and low-latency monitoring is engaged, it will automatically mute that channel.
Yes that's correct - but there are some caveats depending on which version of PT you are working on. I've found the behavior inconsistent across systems. Mute just works every time and is the simplest to explain. Avid really needs to call it "Disable Auto Monitoring" option and avoid confusing terms like "low latency monitoring" that have nothing to do with latency. What's more confusing is that this setting does something completely different if you use HD Native or HDX hardware.
It works with any audio interface with any software, because it's still an analog console. The DAW control side of it should work with LUNA, as its using standard MCU and HUI protocols. I did get it working as a DAW controller for Reaper.
@@alecmackay89 I do not agree. The first thing you do on a car is kick the tyres. With a console you look at the back to see if it has the connections your after. This is all reverse. You all lick the faders and lick up to the companies.
@@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur Please keep your comments civil. The purpose of this video is to teach sound production students about signal flow in an existing studio installation. It's a supplement to physical classes, where I do cover physical connections in extensive detail.
Thank you very much :) It's one of the cases that until you can actually touche it - some one must take his privet valuable time to "HD sheer it" :) What a gorgeous desk / console. The quality and craftsmanship just keep coming with every move you made with it. Out of miserable envy - How do you compare / perceived the "Modern" built in buss dynamics relative to that "vintage"(?...) / out board ? :) Be blessed, prosper and healthy !
Thanks for the comments! I completely agree that this console is a work of art. To try answer your question: I find that many modern consoles these days don't have built-in compression at all, and there are more outboard gear manufacturers than ever. I wouldn't call one style modern and the other vintage since there is no inherent difference between built-in and outboard processing. Allow me to expand (pun intended) on that: This console has VCA dynamics on each channel, but no buss compression built-in. The outboard Neve 2254's we have are a great complement to this console but it won't always be the right sound for every mix. I find that each compressor has it's own flavor, it's not really a debate about vintage or modern. Opto / FET / VCA / Tube / Digital compressors will all behave slightly differently, and it's about choosing the most suitable tool for the job. Sometimes the plugin version is just as good as the hardware, and there's no major benefit to using outboard.
Hi, I have a doubt with the monitor input. Can you eq/comp the audio you sent from Pro Tools to the monitor in, separately from the main console channel? (For example, you send an audio to the console's channel 1 and other audio to the monitor in of console's channel 1). Thank you
Yes you can EQ the input channel or the monitor channel. Same thing with the comp and inserts, each independently. The order and path can be changed from the little ORD button on the EQ or DYN pages on screen. You obviously won't be able to EQ both the input and monitor channel at the same time - unless you have an external EQ patched as an insert.
Great video Hey can you tell me why is there 2 sets of cut and solo for each channel (one for mom) another for the mix bus.. Do you solo (sip) iso (safe) also on the fader solo buttons ?
The channel path and monitor path can be cut/solo'd independently from each other, since they are effectively separate channels. The ISO button controls both paths, it's a 3-state toggle that cycles through isolating the channel, monitor, or both from the solo bus. It's great that you can isolate the 8T and REV sections but still use SIP soloing, so you hear downstream routing & effects. Or you can put the console in AFL/PFL/SIF solo modes for different workflows.
@@alecmackay89 wow awesome as to be expected with Neve 💯 I’ve read through the manual a few times but only get the info to the brain so far until seeing it in person or in your great video overview 👌 I ask because I’m rebuilding a small Neve consoles from the 70s, and I’ve added cut and solo &, iso to the channels… Originally the channels on my console (mono channels) have options of 2 bus route Mix bus (program) and Monitor bus (Audition) And the console had PFL to monitor bus (audition) The console used the route selection (no selection) as the off or ‘mute/cut’ function… Now I’m adding the full cut and solo functions, where by afl is a simple modification to the pfl by taking a line after fade to a toggle switch on the monitor bus - so that pfl can be switch to afl (this will be mono to the monitor bus which is the usual classic way it was done. The solo SIP I’m using relays like Neve does to switch off or cut, the other channels when a solo button on a channel is pressed, this is ‘latching SIP’ type solo and it only effects the mix bus (program) outputs, I then have buttons (IOS) on each channel to stop or, isolate, the cut form a solo function when solo is used. This iOS is selected on all channels… this mean you will get the normal mix bus SIP with solo safe mode. The Mix bus Rev returns are switchable to off so they can be iOS or non iso either way in result. The result of my work will mean - in Monitor bus mode (audition) Pfl or Afl can be used by selection - mono to left monitor. In Mix bus mode (program) the solo switches automatically to SIP and the solo and cut buttons work with SIP instead of Pfl or Afl What’s your thoughts about this use-case ? I was going to add SIF also by providing a dim function to the cuts but that’s more work so I might leave it out…
@@caminglis53 Wow that sounds like a massive project, I'm very jealous! I'm really keen on seeing that project, which console is it? Yeah the manual on this console is confusing and really isn't well written. There are a lot of ambiguities and it can be quite misleading (for example the IP2 Send socket is actually an input?!). Once you play with it a bit it starts to make more sense. (Please ask if you want to know more about how certain routings work in practice.) So on this console the Channel, Monitor, and 8T paths can each be set to solo safe independently of each other or interlocked, in addition to the individual channel ISO switches. I usually enable the global CH SAFE and MON SAFE mode (AFL) so that I don't kill the cue mixes while I'm tracking. I'm not sure if I understand that bus routing correctly, are the Monitor and Mix paths separate mix buses entirely? And the mod you're doing is because the Mix bus didn't have solo switches at all? I'm probably misunderstanding but it seems like it would make more sense to separate the solo system from the channel routing entirely, and rather send all channels to the same solo bus when engaged. Then in AFL mode you can engage that solo bus on each channel, or switch to SIP mode to bypass the AFL bus and mute the other channels with your relays. You could probably add SIF by blending the mix back into the AFL bus, it wouldn't need to be done at each channel.
@@alecmackay89 mmm so much detail and options to consider haha The console I have is a 5422 portable suitcase mixer The original console had 8 channels Mix bus PGM Monitor bus section AUD 2 returns 2 aux buses The 8 transformer balanced mic pres that are switchable to line inputs (with a special input circuit into the transformer like a pad to line level) this is cool because either mic or line inputs go through all the same circuit. As you would know many Neve’s have circuit balance on the line inputs - so no nice warm transformer-sound on line in that situation. The console channels have ph, 3 bands shelf type EQ and a HPF. 2 aux buses with pre and post fader. pan and the channel fader, + Pfl solo. There are also 3 routing buttons on each channel to select the buses. The 3 buttons are: 1st -AUD (audition) Monitor only buses 2nd - PGM (program) Mix bus only 3rd - off (mute/cut) No route selected. Like all good consoles the monitor stereo bus lets you select anything and listen to it, so usually the mix bus PGM is being selected to monitor, as the main selection. AUD is what you select on the monitor section for only a quick monitor source listen or even monitor mix if you like… The Pfl solo on each channels works by having all the channels routed selected to PGM as normal, then selecting on the mix bus section AUD (monitor bus) this then only lets you hear monitor routing so, a solo Pfl will appear on the left monitor bus & Speaker Monitor. All the channels audio path still goes out the main mix bus even when Pfl solo is selected, as all the channels are routed to PGM mix bus. This is cool but with the new solo switch’s I’m putting in it will allow Pfl selecting to be latching ( as they’re momentary) latching would be better and more standard. The mix bus section and aux buses are all transformer balanced. And the mix bus has a main input that can be used as a tape / daw return or Rev return, or extra set of line inputs to track with… So the console has; It had 2 monitor outs L & R And 2 main PGM mix bus outs L & R And the Aux bus outs 1 & 2 The console is all transformer balanced and is class a/b. It uses NE5534s through out. The things I’ve modded are All channels have transformer balanced direct outs The channels (without EQ engaged) have Class A op amps all they way through - so tracking a session would be all class A until EQ is engaged which is still class A/B The routing button between AUD & PGM on channels said ‘off’ but I’ve reprinted them to say DIR - as a way of having some control over the direct out choice on channels Then we come to the cut mod which is simple and also uses the relays to cut a channels audio ( for all routes PGM AUD DIR) this is great for tracking Then we come to the solo mod The pfl has a bus from the channels pfl button… this goes to the monitor bus. It doesn’t have a output - or knob to control its level, it’s simple it just hits the left monitor stereo bus. This is easy to mod for afl function solo is just to pick off from after the fader and disconnect the pfl wire so both can be connected to a Dpdt toggle switch, this switch with 8 dpdt in one switch, so that it switches all channels to afl from pfl and back again Then we come to the sip a much harder mod lol.., The sip solo function must first allow all channels cut buttons to engage when a solo button is selected of course - this first results is destructive solo to the mix bus. It also only works to the mix bus and not the AUD monitor bus - tho that is a standard thing. But as standard - most of the time monitor bus has PGM mix bus selected as the listen > to the monitors and monitor section… The solo sip mod and IOS mod would have buttons on every channel with this mod I’m doing… so that the iOS switch’s effectively stop the solo circuit from happening. e.g if iOS is selected on ch 1 then when sip is selected on any other channel, ch 1 will not cut… Now I wasn’t going to have a overall safe button on the mix bus, as it’s even more work. But with the iOS on each channel as I’ve described it’s great to safe channels from destructive solo… hey )) The direct out transformers modded for each channels DIR line outs, are the - L01166 transformers, the same ones as in the Genesys mix bus and the 1073 output transformers. This has effectively made the little console sound like, 8 channels of 1073s - or like a little BCM 10.. I’ve also added Rupert Neve’s class A, 2 channel direct box instrument input (card) which are selectable on channels 1 & 2 via combo Xlr inputs Channel 1 & 2 has. What do you think about the solo feature I’m talking about above there? I’ve written a lot of shit but there’s so much to go through 🤣 I’ve also done other things to bring the console back to better than new shape snd look, although it’s all mostly still in pieces only partly assembled atm, I’ve been testing ch 1 And yes the mix bus PGM is separate from the monitor buss - tho this is actually what’s mostly the case from a circuit point of view. Yeah the monitor bus on the center section is separate from the mix bus and only goes out the monitor outputs. But the PGM mix bus can go out the monitor outputs, as every option is selectable in the monitor section. And yes correct the console only has pfl solo. And usually that’s only a monitor solo function, so there’s no mix bus solo at all which is why I want to mod and add sip and Afl.
@@caminglis53 That's a lot of information to go through, but I think I get the general idea of it. I'm looking at the 5422 now and it's much clearer what you mean by having separate PFL/AFL and SIP functions. It would definitely be a lot more standard to have latching SIP solos. This is one sweet little mixer, and it seems like your mods & refurbish will make it a very useful set of preamps/channels to track through. You should make some work in progress videos, I'd love to dig into how and why you're modding it - and I'm sure others would too.
Wonderful video! Is there a way to control the Dynamic and Eq section without the screen? Also, could I mix a 75 track session there or it would be too many channels for it? Thank you!
Thanks! Unfortunately there are no other physical controls for EQ & Dynamics. However there is a plugin that lets you control and even automate these parameters from within your DAW. As for mixing, this console can take up to 32 channels in it's current setup - 16 on the channel faders and 16 on the monitor returns. You'd need to buy a larger frame size to get more channels. What I like to do is use the analog paths for bringing stereo subgroups into the Neve mixbus for analog summing in the mix. Of course in DAW mode you can bank across as many channels as you want, controlling the faders inside your DAW from the console.
@@preciseaudioblog Definitely during recording. I've always been hesitant to EQ or compress while tracking, but with this console I'm able to get a great sound before it even hits the DAW. The 1073 preamps are amazing, tons of gain and really tight low end. When I'm mixing into the analog bus, I've also noticed a difference in the sound. I can't say it's better or worse, but it's different - and that difference manifests in the mix as the decisions and changes I'll make. I can say that I'm able to get a great sound a lot quicker because I spend more time using my ears and less clicking on a screen. I guess that's just a benefit of mixing outside the box.
Great review and demo of the console, did you get the genesys plug that goes directly into the DAW ? would love to see a video on that and for workflow as it is stored in your session
We haven't got it yet, but I'd love to give it a try. It would be very useful for storing automation in the session rather than using the clunky Encore automation, and for automating things that encore cant like EQ moves or Aux enables. We've just done an upgrade that gives us access to all the digital channel and monitor paths too, so I'm considering doing another video incorporating all of that too.
@@alecmackay89 That will be great to see your review of all that, great video and I love the detail, subscribed ! Also could the channle fader be automated via midi tracks or is it just through the encoure auto or genesys plug in?
Thank you for this fantastic tutorial video. Maybe in the future you can take the direct L/R from the board so we can hear the mix from the source rather than your talk back microphone ;)
In hindsight I wish I had done just that, it has bothered me a lot since making the video. But the tutorial was never meant to demonstrate the sound of the console, rather just the signal flow and functions for those learning to use it.
Neve still makes larger format consoles, but I think they're trying to access the smaller project studio market where people want the "console sound" for summing or tracking. The Neve 8424 is a perfect example of this, aimed at hybrid setups.
@@alecmackay89 true but we think they need to make a console that is more along the lines of the Trident 88 which gives the big console sound but a lot less expensive and has 24 channels we still are happy with an upgraded ghost mixer haha LOL peace
@@TheRealNewBlackMusic The 8424 is 24 channels, but I take your point... I certainly can't afford one. I think there are a lot of affordable 24 track consoles (Mackie 24:8:2 is a classic). But the big console sound comes from the way current/voltage summing is done internally, the kind of transformers in each channel, and the fidelity of the audio path throughout. It's an expensive business. So the smaller format summing mixers like the Neve 8816 or API: The Box are aimed at providing this kind of summing in a smaller footprint - with a lower price tag.
Very helpful. I know you're busy but would love to see you post more videos. Think you have a real talent for breaking down complicated subjects into simple and easy to understand ideas 🙂
Wow 💙 beautiful console. 🎶🎶
watching this start to finish (actually searched the neve genesys). had no idea u from home around the corner.lol KaapStad. Good demonstration sir...
Beautifully demonstrated.
Thank you for the info, on 2008 i bought this mixer to istanbul municipality, but never had chance to use it, because i don't have coligue on higher positions 🤦🏽😳 Thats way im still useing Mackie analog mixer on my recordings on seconde studio.
I really needed a detailed like this tutorial about G32 , thank you very much :))
and waiting for more tutorials in dipth .. Good Luck :)
@@AdilAbdullah727 My pleasure! It may be a while before I do any more on this console
You can also use low-latency monitoring in Pro Tools instead of having to mute the track you're recording. When a track is rec-armed and low-latency monitoring is engaged, it will automatically mute that channel.
Yes that's correct - but there are some caveats depending on which version of PT you are working on. I've found the behavior inconsistent across systems. Mute just works every time and is the simplest to explain.
Avid really needs to call it "Disable Auto Monitoring" option and avoid confusing terms like "low latency monitoring" that have nothing to do with latency. What's more confusing is that this setting does something completely different if you use HD Native or HDX hardware.
@@alecmackay89 I agree!
Does this console work with UA's LUNA?
It works with any audio interface with any software, because it's still an analog console. The DAW control side of it should work with LUNA, as its using standard MCU and HUI protocols. I did get it working as a DAW controller for Reaper.
Why do you never see the back of the consoles? Connectivity is key.
I agree, but it's beyond the scope of this video. Perhaps when I do an updated version I will include the rear connections, as well as the digital IO.
@@alecmackay89 I do not agree. The first thing you do on a car is kick the tyres. With a console you look at the back to see if it has the connections your after.
This is all reverse.
You all lick the faders and lick up to the companies.
@@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur Please keep your comments civil.
The purpose of this video is to teach sound production students about signal flow in an existing studio installation. It's a supplement to physical classes, where I do cover physical connections in extensive detail.
@@alecmackay89 perhaps, because this is a public place. Some stills do suffice.
@@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur Totally inappropriate and unnecessary tone. This is not politics.
Thank you very much :)
It's one of the cases that until you can actually touche it - some one must take his privet valuable time to "HD sheer it" :)
What a gorgeous desk / console. The quality and craftsmanship just keep coming with every move you made with it.
Out of miserable envy - How do you compare / perceived the "Modern" built in buss dynamics relative to that "vintage"(?...) / out board ? :)
Be blessed, prosper and healthy !
Thanks for the comments! I completely agree that this console is a work of art.
To try answer your question: I find that many modern consoles these days don't have built-in compression at all, and there are more outboard gear manufacturers than ever. I wouldn't call one style modern and the other vintage since there is no inherent difference between built-in and outboard processing. Allow me to expand (pun intended) on that:
This console has VCA dynamics on each channel, but no buss compression built-in. The outboard Neve 2254's we have are a great complement to this console but it won't always be the right sound for every mix.
I find that each compressor has it's own flavor, it's not really a debate about vintage or modern. Opto / FET / VCA / Tube / Digital compressors will all behave slightly differently, and it's about choosing the most suitable tool for the job. Sometimes the plugin version is just as good as the hardware, and there's no major benefit to using outboard.
Hi, I have a doubt with the monitor input. Can you eq/comp the audio you sent from Pro Tools to the monitor in, separately from the main console channel? (For example, you send an audio to the console's channel 1 and other audio to the monitor in of console's channel 1). Thank you
Yes you can EQ the input channel or the monitor channel. Same thing with the comp and inserts, each independently. The order and path can be changed from the little ORD button on the EQ or DYN pages on screen.
You obviously won't be able to EQ both the input and monitor channel at the same time - unless you have an external EQ patched as an insert.
@@alecmackay89 Oh man that's so sweet!
Great video
Hey can you tell me why is there 2 sets of cut and solo for each channel (one for mom) another for the mix bus..
Do you solo (sip) iso (safe) also on the fader solo buttons ?
The channel path and monitor path can be cut/solo'd independently from each other, since they are effectively separate channels.
The ISO button controls both paths, it's a 3-state toggle that cycles through isolating the channel, monitor, or both from the solo bus. It's great that you can isolate the 8T and REV sections but still use SIP soloing, so you hear downstream routing & effects. Or you can put the console in AFL/PFL/SIF solo modes for different workflows.
@@alecmackay89 wow awesome as to be expected with Neve 💯
I’ve read through the manual a few times but only get the info to the brain so far until seeing it in person or in your great video overview 👌
I ask because I’m rebuilding a small Neve consoles from the 70s, and I’ve added cut and solo &, iso to the channels…
Originally the channels on my console (mono channels) have options of 2 bus route Mix bus (program) and Monitor bus (Audition)
And the console had PFL to monitor bus (audition)
The console used the route selection (no selection) as the off or ‘mute/cut’ function…
Now I’m adding the full cut and solo functions, where by afl is a simple modification to the pfl by taking a line after fade to a toggle switch on the monitor bus - so that pfl can be switch to afl (this will be mono to the monitor bus which is the usual classic way it was done.
The solo SIP I’m using relays like Neve does to switch off or cut, the other channels when a solo button on a channel is pressed, this is ‘latching SIP’ type solo and it only effects the mix bus (program) outputs, I then have buttons (IOS) on each channel to stop or, isolate, the cut form a solo function when solo is used. This iOS is selected on all channels… this mean you will get the normal mix bus SIP with solo safe mode.
The Mix bus Rev returns are switchable to off so they can be iOS or non iso either way in result.
The result of my work will mean - in Monitor bus mode (audition) Pfl or Afl can be used by selection - mono to left monitor.
In Mix bus mode (program) the solo switches automatically to SIP and the solo and cut buttons work with SIP instead of Pfl or Afl
What’s your thoughts about this use-case ?
I was going to add SIF also by providing a dim function to the cuts but that’s more work so I might leave it out…
@@caminglis53 Wow that sounds like a massive project, I'm very jealous! I'm really keen on seeing that project, which console is it?
Yeah the manual on this console is confusing and really isn't well written. There are a lot of ambiguities and it can be quite misleading (for example the IP2 Send socket is actually an input?!). Once you play with it a bit it starts to make more sense. (Please ask if you want to know more about how certain routings work in practice.)
So on this console the Channel, Monitor, and 8T paths can each be set to solo safe independently of each other or interlocked, in addition to the individual channel ISO switches. I usually enable the global CH SAFE and MON SAFE mode (AFL) so that I don't kill the cue mixes while I'm tracking.
I'm not sure if I understand that bus routing correctly, are the Monitor and Mix paths separate mix buses entirely? And the mod you're doing is because the Mix bus didn't have solo switches at all? I'm probably misunderstanding but it seems like it would make more sense to separate the solo system from the channel routing entirely, and rather send all channels to the same solo bus when engaged. Then in AFL mode you can engage that solo bus on each channel, or switch to SIP mode to bypass the AFL bus and mute the other channels with your relays.
You could probably add SIF by blending the mix back into the AFL bus, it wouldn't need to be done at each channel.
@@alecmackay89 mmm so much detail and options to consider haha
The console I have is a 5422 portable suitcase mixer
The original console had
8 channels
Mix bus PGM
Monitor bus section AUD
2 returns
2 aux buses
The
8 transformer balanced mic pres that are switchable to line inputs (with a special input circuit into the transformer like a pad to line level)
this is cool because either mic or line inputs go through all the same circuit.
As you would know many Neve’s have circuit balance on the line inputs - so no nice warm transformer-sound on line in that situation.
The console channels have ph, 3 bands shelf type EQ and a HPF.
2 aux buses with pre and post fader.
pan and the channel fader, + Pfl solo.
There are also 3 routing buttons on each channel to select the buses.
The 3 buttons are:
1st -AUD (audition) Monitor only buses
2nd - PGM (program) Mix bus only
3rd - off (mute/cut) No route selected.
Like all good consoles the monitor stereo bus lets you select anything and listen to it, so usually the mix bus PGM is being selected to monitor, as the main selection.
AUD is what you select on the monitor section for only a quick monitor source listen or even monitor mix if you like…
The Pfl solo on each channels works by having all the channels routed selected to PGM as normal, then selecting on the mix bus section AUD (monitor bus) this then only lets you hear monitor routing so, a solo Pfl will appear on the left monitor bus & Speaker Monitor.
All the channels audio path still goes out the main mix bus even when Pfl solo is selected, as all the channels are routed to PGM mix bus.
This is cool but with the new solo switch’s I’m putting in it will allow Pfl selecting to be latching ( as they’re momentary) latching would be better and more standard.
The mix bus section and aux buses are all transformer balanced. And the mix bus has a main input that can be used as a tape / daw return or Rev return, or extra set of line inputs to track with…
So the console has;
It had 2 monitor outs L & R
And 2 main PGM mix bus outs L & R
And the Aux bus outs 1 & 2
The console is all transformer balanced and is class a/b. It uses NE5534s through out.
The things I’ve modded are
All channels have transformer balanced direct outs
The channels (without EQ engaged) have Class A op amps all they way through - so tracking a session would be all class A until EQ is engaged which is still class A/B
The routing button between AUD & PGM on channels said ‘off’ but I’ve reprinted them to say DIR - as a way of having some control over the direct out choice on channels
Then we come to the cut mod which is simple and also uses the relays to cut a channels audio ( for all routes PGM AUD DIR) this is great for tracking
Then we come to the solo mod
The pfl has a bus from the channels pfl button… this goes to the monitor bus. It doesn’t have a output - or knob to control its level, it’s simple it just hits the left monitor stereo bus.
This is easy to mod for afl function solo is just to pick off from after the fader and disconnect the pfl wire so both can be connected to a Dpdt toggle switch, this switch with 8 dpdt in one switch, so that it switches all channels to afl from pfl and back again
Then we come to the sip a much harder mod lol..,
The sip solo function must first allow all channels cut buttons to engage when a solo button is selected of course - this first results is destructive solo to the mix bus.
It also only works to the mix bus and not the AUD monitor bus - tho that is a standard thing. But as standard - most of the time monitor bus has PGM mix bus selected as the listen > to the monitors and monitor section…
The solo sip mod and IOS mod would have buttons on every channel with this mod I’m doing…
so that the iOS switch’s effectively stop the solo circuit from happening. e.g if iOS is selected on ch 1 then when sip is selected on any other channel, ch 1 will not cut…
Now I wasn’t going to have a overall safe button on the mix bus, as it’s even more work. But with the iOS on each channel as I’ve described it’s great to safe channels from destructive solo… hey ))
The direct out transformers modded for each channels DIR line outs, are the - L01166 transformers, the same ones as in the Genesys mix bus and the 1073 output transformers.
This has effectively made the little console sound like, 8 channels of 1073s - or like a little BCM 10..
I’ve also added Rupert Neve’s class A, 2 channel direct box instrument input (card) which are selectable on channels 1 & 2 via combo Xlr inputs Channel 1 & 2 has.
What do you think about the solo feature I’m talking about above there?
I’ve written a lot of shit but there’s so much to go through 🤣
I’ve also done other things to bring the console back to better than new shape snd look, although it’s all mostly still in pieces only partly assembled atm, I’ve been testing ch 1
And yes the mix bus PGM is separate from the monitor buss - tho this is actually what’s mostly the case from a circuit point of view. Yeah the monitor bus on the center section is separate from the mix bus and only goes out the monitor outputs.
But the PGM mix bus can go out the monitor outputs, as every option is selectable in the monitor section.
And yes correct the console only has pfl solo. And usually that’s only a monitor solo function, so there’s no mix bus solo at all which is why I want to mod and add sip and Afl.
@@caminglis53 That's a lot of information to go through, but I think I get the general idea of it. I'm looking at the 5422 now and it's much clearer what you mean by having separate PFL/AFL and SIP functions. It would definitely be a lot more standard to have latching SIP solos.
This is one sweet little mixer, and it seems like your mods & refurbish will make it a very useful set of preamps/channels to track through. You should make some work in progress videos, I'd love to dig into how and why you're modding it - and I'm sure others would too.
Wonderful video! Is there a way to control the Dynamic and Eq section without the screen? Also, could I mix a 75 track session there or it would be too many channels for it? Thank you!
Thanks! Unfortunately there are no other physical controls for EQ & Dynamics. However there is a plugin that lets you control and even automate these parameters from within your DAW. As for mixing, this console can take up to 32 channels in it's current setup - 16 on the channel faders and 16 on the monitor returns. You'd need to buy a larger frame size to get more channels. What I like to do is use the analog paths for bringing stereo subgroups into the Neve mixbus for analog summing in the mix. Of course in DAW mode you can bank across as many channels as you want, controlling the faders inside your DAW from the console.
@@alecmackay89 Got it. When first started to work with it, did you find a substantial improvement in terms of sound quality, preamps, eqs, comps, etc?
@@preciseaudioblog Definitely during recording. I've always been hesitant to EQ or compress while tracking, but with this console I'm able to get a great sound before it even hits the DAW. The 1073 preamps are amazing, tons of gain and really tight low end. When I'm mixing into the analog bus, I've also noticed a difference in the sound. I can't say it's better or worse, but it's different - and that difference manifests in the mix as the decisions and changes I'll make. I can say that I'm able to get a great sound a lot quicker because I spend more time using my ears and less clicking on a screen. I guess that's just a benefit of mixing outside the box.
@@alecmackay89 sounds awesome. Thank you for the info. Cheers!
Great review and demo of the console, did you get the genesys plug that goes directly into the DAW ? would love to see a video on that and for workflow as it is stored in your session
We haven't got it yet, but I'd love to give it a try. It would be very useful for storing automation in the session rather than using the clunky Encore automation, and for automating things that encore cant like EQ moves or Aux enables.
We've just done an upgrade that gives us access to all the digital channel and monitor paths too, so I'm considering doing another video incorporating all of that too.
@@alecmackay89 That will be great to see your review of all that, great video and I love the detail, subscribed ! Also could the channle fader be automated via midi tracks or is it just through the encoure auto or genesys plug in?
@@jason.martin Only via Encore or the Genesys plugin. It might be nice to control it via MIDI, but I guess that's the point of the plugin.
Thank you for this fantastic tutorial video. Maybe in the future you can take the direct L/R from the board so we can hear the mix from the source rather than your talk back microphone ;)
In hindsight I wish I had done just that, it has bothered me a lot since making the video. But the tutorial was never meant to demonstrate the sound of the console, rather just the signal flow and functions for those learning to use it.
@@alecmackay89 great work with the tutorial! I will keep an eye out for more videos of your genesys
Yes but why does Nev and API and the other console manufacturers keep making 16 channels instead of 24 that is a mistake in our view
Neve still makes larger format consoles, but I think they're trying to access the smaller project studio market where people want the "console sound" for summing or tracking. The Neve 8424 is a perfect example of this, aimed at hybrid setups.
@@alecmackay89 true but we think they need to make a console that is more along the lines of the Trident 88 which gives the big console sound but a lot less expensive and has 24 channels we still are happy with an upgraded ghost mixer haha LOL peace
@@TheRealNewBlackMusic The 8424 is 24 channels, but I take your point... I certainly can't afford one. I think there are a lot of affordable 24 track consoles (Mackie 24:8:2 is a classic). But the big console sound comes from the way current/voltage summing is done internally, the kind of transformers in each channel, and the fidelity of the audio path throughout. It's an expensive business. So the smaller format summing mixers like the Neve 8816 or API: The Box are aimed at providing this kind of summing in a smaller footprint - with a lower price tag.