Tiny11 helps with purpose built hardware applications where you just need windows to run applications and you don’t need or will ever use any of the features of windows ever
But removing explorer was diabolical. You can't even check the file that makes problem and fix it yourself and avoid hassle just for small error. Setting got removed kinda makes sense if you just want it to run since changing it means your app has a problem that NOT minor and it meant to not change anything there.
@ some situations like for example running a system for a signal monitoring device you will never need a file explorer… if there are any corruptions in the file system you just reflash the hard drive. All log files are written to an external usb.
Makes you wonder what else they're installing along with your windows format system. Honestly I see stuff like this it makes me suspicious. Why so much memory taken away when it's not necessary?
@@James-h8t9u it’s not a big mystery modern Windows is packed with features that target the larger user base such as content creators, office users, gamers, etc. these features are meant to help Microsoft sell services. Thus, most industrial products rely on debloated operating systems like Windows Embedded, DOS, 95 because essentially they are very basic yet provide the kernel layer required to run programs the downside is that since they aren’t as complicated they can be easily exploited as they are no longer supported by security patches or fixes for known vulnerabilities
@@ujiltromm7358 I've put Puppy Linux on a laptop that had 256 MB of Ram (used to run Windows 2K). Had to use a light browser though (Midori) and only 1 or 2 tabs at a time.
Yes, lets go back to DOS 5.5 that basically did everything in did in under 1 meg. Of course, since we now demand more from the OS, that all has to be stored somewhere.
How much resources does it use anyways? Could it possibly be enough to crash a whole PC and make it so your computer and monitor won't reconnect for the next buncha reboots?
Bullsheet they need to get support for windows 7 it was the best 1, nobody liked windows 8 and as for windows 10 it spies on you so most people like myself just ended right back where we started which is windows 7 the best operating system these lands have ever seen
The issue is optimisation, OS, games, software... They have stopped caring about making it available to as low specs as possible and have started to say "if they dont have enough they should pay more"
It's beyond that. It's just primarily nothing but boatware. They should've just named it "Windows Bloat". Their catchphrase would be, 'We'll bloat your system into oblivion!'
@@spinasoul People have fond memories of Win XP, but it was arguably far behind standard unices at the time. Windows won companies (and consumers) over through the combination of being cheap and "good enough". Well, that and a great number of anticompetitive practices.
" They have stopped caring about making it available to as low specs as possible " this was NEVER the case, and as he said, Win11 runs on systems that wouldn't run Win7. You think XP didn't increase system requirements over 98? And same with Vista later? When the latter came out, most computers stayed on XP because they weren't powerful enough, if anything, it's NOW new systems don't have more requirements... noobs smh.
@@kryperdevits not lol. If I ripped parts out of a car, it would be unreasonable for me expect it to work properly or for others (the windows updater) to be able to do work on it
There is a difference between “It runs” and “it drives” Edit: Yall i meant this as a joke. But i really like the discourse and little convo we have going on in the comment section. On god the likes huh(new pb)
Yes, but it states the obvious thing people have been saying since win8: it doesn't need to be bloated to oblivion like this, and people wish it would stop. Not everyone's cut for de-bloating their operating system, much less the teething pains of switching to linux, so things like tiny11 give good alternatives. Pushing it as far as it pheasably can go just makes the more practical versions better, while opening different levels of cut down.
There's also a difference between someone who know what he's doing and a tech illiterate normie who shouldn't be trusted even with a calculator. Computers of my clients often have lots of bloat (not from MS), including autoloading at the start of the system. Often a browser too with lots of tabs.
@@suprtroopr1028 This reminds me wasn't it nice when Windows 98 let you choose what to install in addition to the basic OS with a handful of presets for non tech-y people.
A new bloated (for no reason) OS drives hardware sales. There's no reason at this point to upgrade to a newer OS or the latest hardware, as there's no gain, so the industry has to manufacture a new justification. Apart from pretty graphics, current systems don't offer the average user any performance gains from a 20 year old one.
The worst part isn't the ram requirement, it's almost impossible to find something below 4gb nowadays but the CPU requirement? It's insane to expect everyone to have something from Intel 8th gen or later, my old laptop had a 7th gen, my old work PC had an AMD A4 4000, and god knows that cheap boomer bosses won't be updating their 15-20 year old computers, lot of people don't have money to buy new computers, switching a CPU isn't as easy as adding RAM
I work in IT, specifically for an MSP. It's crazy how many of my clients are running 10+ year old PCs that have had SSD upgrades and maxed out RAM. They're perfectly fine for their day to day operations. Getting them to buy all new hardware just for Windows 11 is an uphill battle to say in the least! I don't blame them either. I don't want to get an entirely new PC just because of the ridiculous CPU requirement!
@@tenhundredkills MS system requirements are there to allow them to do less work to optimize their OS and keep consumers on the upgrade treadmill. if there was any real concern for "security" hardware manufacturers would give up on branch prediction and make components meant to last much longer
@@tenhundredkillsthe question you should ask yourself is, why they need a new PC if what they have is still working? I'm not even saying it's up to their task, because a word processor and excel can run even on a 486. Why we have to pollute the world making new hardware and throwing the old one away? Capitalism lead to this dystopic vision of the world. Corporates want to have the total control of you and cares zero about the environment.
Well you could always go linux, besides a few select games, there is really no reason to use windows. Pretty sure you can run a full home computer setup on a raspberry pi as long as you don't play games that need hardware acceleration.
"What do you mean you don't want heaps of spyware, bloatware, and an inconvenient user interface? How else will we make money!" -business men who almost certainly don't have to use computers in their day to day life besides sending emails.
It’s also the same businessmen who have more money than they know what to do with, yet making more money is still more important than literally anything else.
Remember how people on the right said rich people having lots of money was great because they would invest it? Well, this is what happens. The investors are now the real customers and us? We're the _product._
I wish we could just pick which tools we want in our windows during installation. Like don’t download edge but do download the snipping tool because I use it all the time
A common cause for that is the TPM 2.0 has not been activated. Its there, but in most older machines its deactivated by default. So you have to turn it on before you can upgrade. I learned that the frustrating way. There are ways to check whether TPM is activated, but actually activating it means going into the Bios. Might be worth googling how to check if TPM 2.0 is active, just running a google search will get you easy to follow explanations if you are not sure how to do it yourself. I would put up a link, but YT really hates links, because, reasons, but fortunately google is definitely your friend in this if you need to check it and are not sure how.
@alganhar1 My PC is ~5 years old, so I'm not sure about that "off by default" thing, but I can always check Either way, I'm not upgrading until October (when support stops) because I have my desktop organized how I like it, and I don't want to have to change it just because Win11 looks different
The OS is supposed to be a mostly invisible layer between your apps and your hardware. Microsoft seems to think the OS is the goal, when it is just (one of many) means to the goal.
My ex worked for a small answering service and alarm company all rolled into one. They couldn’t upgrade their XP machines to anything else because the alarm software couldn’t run outside of DOS and was only for 16bit systems. This was back in the early 2000’s, they didn’t upgrade their computers until about 2015. Even then they still had 2 Windows XP machines as fallback in case of issues.
Im not sure that its about smart people, its more about how the multi billion dollar industries are intentionally doing shitty things in order to maximize profit and _anyone_ who is vaguely familiar with tech can immediately recognize what they are doing. NTDEV isn't some kind of genius, they're just a competent computer engineer applying their skills in ways that arent constrained by the business people pushing for profit.
Less then 256mb RAM is what we used to run XP on. It goes to show you how much bloat there is on a modern OS. If we disable all the building mallware , the OS can revert back to been light as it used to.
The OS requiring 4 GIGS is absolutely bonkers. How many background bloatware programs are running to accumulate that? How inefficient is the code? I still remember my windows 3 computer I had when I was a kid. I just played games on it, and it started in DOS mode. Very small system and I only ran exactly what I wanted to use at the time. It actually worked really well!
@@rotmistrzjanm8776 Yeah the only issue with microsoft is that their app store implementation is horribly done, has barely any real apps on it and it is rife with malware and other predatory kinds of apps, linux does app stores much better and essentially the entire linux app ecosystem is based upon app stores so every app is on it.
I switched to Linux Mint about 7 months ago. I recently installed Mint Cinnamon 22 and there are updates already. I haven't did the upgrade yet though. I'll be switching this computer in Oct.
My daily driver is vanilla Debian Linux with KDE plasma, since the announcement of W10. 🤷♀️ Only use W10 for some games, work and apps I need that don't have linux versions. And I run everything on a type one hypervisor with the orange and black logo.
The main thing that turns me off of Linux is when all my Linux friends start talking about all the extra steps they take to get certain programs to run. Combine that with the more recent issues that are even affecting the Steam Deck, it makes Linux seem like I'm just limiting myself when with the same amount of work I can just modify Windows.
My dad is a PC master. When it released, my i7 was uncappable to run win11. Without using tiny11, he made it work tricking windows. Runs to this day, gave that to my uncle. Just to prove how negligent
Nah, just sell 'em to your local tech guy, and he can rework them into Linux machines. Linux needs WAY less to run well, but DOES require more technical knowledge. But for people who are looking to start making the transition, or just want to play around before committing, running Linux on older hardware is IDEAL. Low cost, every device that needs special drivers will already have them available, and you aren't giving up your main computer until you're really ready to. If you're tech-curious, you can probably do most of it yourself if you spend time getting help off the internet when you get stuck.
run it in a virtual machine first to get a feel for how things work without changing anything on your machine, then back up all of your stuff when you're ready to make the switch, and feel free to look up guides or ask around if you have any questions, most people are friendly and willing to help you try it out even if they're a little opinionated
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx my biggest problem with linux has to be gaming... can't run league of legends anymore because of Vanguard, and support for other games is less than ideal.
@@witness1603 firstly, being prevented from accessing league should be considered a blessing. secondly, if people en masse say sayonara to windows then devs who purposely prevent people from playing their game will learn when those people stop giving them money.
Microsoft almost gave me a heart attack a couple days ago. They tried doing the Linux live (CD/disc) thing where you’re loaded into a new operating system. Except the geniuses at Microsoft didn’t think things through and basically, when I started my computer it loaded into Win11, with zero warning. I understand what they were trying but when I started my computer and unexpectedly load into a newer os except all my local files and basically everything I like about a local os is gone….. Do you really think I’ll be happy to switch to your new “fuck you ones and zeros”?!?!?!
Windows 11 is such a joke. I almost had the same experience. 😅 I started my PC and I forgot what happened that I thought it automatically updated by itself. My heart was beating pretty hard till I realized everything was still Win 10.😅
I've never been so happy to have an older pc setup. Still in spec for all my gaming needs since 2011. The only thing I've had to upgrade is a 2 TB ssd for the main OS and a 12 TB HDD for game storage.
Installing spyware on your computer officially supported by a billion dollar company. - No no Installing the same spyware on your computer officially supported by a random bloke in India that sells you data to every single country at the same time. - Yes, take my money. *The Penguin in the room looking confused and baffled about human stupidity.*
@@theformalmooshroom9147 I see what you mean. I thought you were being sarcastic. And yeah with his negative spins he probably gets more views. (Although, his friend over at Zach tect turf, does very well without these shenanigans.)
Microsoft left the OS game when they turned Windows into a data harvesting tool. I'm never upgrading from Windows 10, I would love a viable version of Linux, but I may have to move to Mac. What a world we live in.
@@mrcmoes 128 makes sense, thats 1/8 of 1gb. Usually ram uses powers of 2. 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192, etc. and sometimes they'll do stuff like 768 too, but that's just 512+256
It's not that they're lying on that part, it's that they don't want to pay to officially provide dev support for really old hardware. Not officially supported versions/hardware may or may not work, but MS doesn't put in time making guarantees.
You must have had a co-processor as well then. Win98 onwards WOULD NOT install without one. I know, I tried installing 98 on a 486SX machine. No matter what I tried, the install kept failing. So I left it as a dual boot 3.1/95
All the extra space required is for the obscene amount of bloatware apps running in the background. There's a huge market out there for devices completely devoid of all this junk that YOU don't use (but the companies use to spy on you) and I can't believe that nobody's jumped on this opportunity yet. I would be a lifelong customer of a company that manufactures blank customizable products.
@GreenHatPIrate do they make phones and such or just gaming PC'S? I actually have a Tiger PC tower from the mid 2000's like that. Fully customized and _F A S T_ 🚀
I just want basically Windows 95 back. But running modern software. Low weight, low impact operating system with none of the bells and whistles. "Does" nothing.
I remember Windows 95. Coming from MS-DOS and 3.1, it was pretty much ALL bells and whistles. Also, it was kind of unstable. Windows 98 SE improved on that a lot. XP was surprisingly good.
@@Akkleptos Sure, 98 was fine. XP was fine too. I started on 3.1 myself too but at least 95 was prettier so I have nostalgia for it, but you're pretty correct. But everything after XP has been terrible and awful and I just don't care about all the "features" MS keeps adding and I really don't want to have to learn Linux, but at this point, I will rather than switch over to 11.
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe I've started on XP on my grandparents' PC. Then dad got me laptop with Vista preinstalled which I didn't like a lot. At some point laptop just started to BSOD on launch (me downloading something off of internet, I guess) so, full reinstall had to be done and it was XP this time. And, oh miracle CoD2 stopped crashing after attempting to progress past Soviet campaign.
I miss being able to reposition my taskbar to the side, and 'replicate' the start menu file-navigation system for each mounted volume (or project folders) with it's own icon toggled from the built in context menu -- out of the box...
that said I wonder how much damage a virus could even do with that much of the core OS missing. if you try to siphon gas from a car after someone replaced the engine and most of the internals with bike parts, you're not going to get any gas
Apparently that was just a typical UFD blunder. If you go to the article that screenshot is from, those are apparently the features that *aren’t* removed
Many of us PC enthusiasts have had 32GB of RAM or more for years already so I see zero need for Tiny11. Those cut-down customized OS's can be a pain sometimes when some stuff will just not run due to certain OS component(s) missing
My laptop SMOOTHLY runs a flagship Linux Mint distro with just 2GB RAM total. Of course I do have a swap space as people recommend, but every time I open up htop I realise it's just never used really, the much bigger bottleneck is its Pentium chipset.
The insult is that the customer is the butt of the joke to Microsoft. Statistically their average customer is considered stupid and free with their money, according to that company.
The problem, as always, is bloat. For some reason, people seem to think and OS needs to be MORE than an OS. It needs to have AI in it, it needs this 'app' and that 'app' (not even sure when computers stopped using programs and started using apps). It needs 'features'... often trial versions of things you don't want or need, yet can't remove if you decide you don't need them or their trial. You know. Just in case. It annoys me to no end that all this crap that renders any phone bought directly from a provider has somehow migrated into being in home OS programs as well.
Nothing a corporation has done since the 80's is about making a better product (that's what consumer co-ops do). It's all about how to make more money with what you have.
@@JH-fk8ow That's what OP said. ("The problem, as always, is bloat") The second paragraph was an "And another thing that annoys me..." You can tell because they said, "not even sure when computers stopped using programs and started using apps," which demonstrates they've been using computers since before smart phones-so they know it's a problem that predates smart phones. Hope this resolved the miscommunication. That's my only goal with this post.
It’s like 6 GB difference and basically no difference in RAM usage. Also, < 4GB of ram in 2025 is insane. Like, maybe if you are just hosting a small web server? But you still need to keep in mind that actually having memory for caching stuff is important, and windows 11 is targeted towards consumers. (Like if you need something minimal, why aren’t you just using Linux)
@palmberry5576 Because Windows is what people are used to and many programs don't work well on Linux, if at all. The problem is that Windows has been adding more and more crap that people neither need, nor want in order to try to pretend like Microsoft is innovating instead of slapping a new coat of paint on the same old same
I just cant wait for them to be punished for this braindead greed. I was one of the windows 7 holdouts until Steam finally cut support, and I had never felt more justified than troubleshooting my buddy's computer and seeing all the bloatware and telemetry clogging up his task manager. Linux + Wine/Proton are the future for sure.
When Win 11 first came out, they offered a free "upgrade" to it from Win 10. They also said we could try it for 30 days and revert back to Win 10 if we didn't like it. I tried it for 3 days and was so disgusted that I reverted back to Win 10. That ran fine for a while but then started having "issues", mostly right after the latest update. It became a crap shoot as to which updates would actually work and not cause any additional issues. Finally, I backed up my files, wiped the drive, and reinstalled a fresh version of Win 10. It's been fine ever since and that was over a year ago. Bottom line: Win 11 won't EVER be on any PC I own.
I installed Linux mint on my laptop, I can run some basic process and games and it wont heat up, fans dont run. Windows 10 (with some debloat) with nothing running on it and it gets warm and fans spool up quick. Windows 11 might melt it haha. Not even that old of a computer.
Windows only needs those ram and CPU specs to run all the surveillance and key logging activity they supply to the NSA. Without that, you could probably run it on an amstrad.
Windows 11 needs the 4 GB of RAM for all of the antivirus software that loads under their security house of cards... and for all of the spyware that Microsoft added on top.
Windows 11's existence is already a lie, remember when they said that Windows 10 was the last windows ever and they would just keep updating that version?
@ most people don't play roblox, statistically speaking. Also, Roblox has mainly a younger audience, who wouldn't be switching OSes, generally, either.
@@shryko I don't know why people are so obsessed with "SteamOS", it's meant for their steamdecks in particular and not wide distribution. Just go with Bazzite instead.
Forget about Can it run doom, now we can Can it run windows 11?
can the comodor 64 and the turbo grafix 16 run windows 11?
Forget about Can it run doom, now we Can it Run windows 11, now we can Can it run doom while running on windows 11 with only 184 megabytes of ram
Forget about Can it run doom, now can it run on a can?
@@KorryNaemon Forget about the can. Can it run Doom on a potato?
@@deletedaccount5551 yes. It can run on a pregnancy test, why wouldn't it be able to?
Didn't they tell us Windows 10 was meant to be the last Windows we would ever need?
Yes
As much as I hated Windows 10, I hate Windows 11 even more. I miss Windows 7, Best Windows OS hands down.
No it wasn't an official statement
Windows 7 was also quite shite. You were just young and didn't care about what the os did. It's called nostalgia
No @@CrazyYurie
It’s also proof of how much BLOAT they have added to windows 11.
So much bloat... so... much... bloat...
Ah yes. The clock is bloat.
Not only that, it's unstable, especially explorer(file browser). which is always crashing
@@TheZombiesAreComing Maybe your hardware is unstable? No problems here, an any of my 5 windows 11 pc's
@TheShivABC
From what I've read, it's an extremely common problem with Windows 11
Tiny11 helps with purpose built hardware applications where you just need windows to run applications and you don’t need or will ever use any of the features of windows ever
But removing explorer was diabolical. You can't even check the file that makes problem and fix it yourself and avoid hassle just for small error.
Setting got removed kinda makes sense if you just want it to run since changing it means your app has a problem that NOT minor and it meant to not change anything there.
@ some situations like for example running a system for a signal monitoring device you will never need a file explorer… if there are any corruptions in the file system you just reflash the hard drive. All log files are written to an external usb.
Makes you wonder what else they're installing along with your windows format system. Honestly I see stuff like this it makes me suspicious. Why so much memory taken away when it's not necessary?
@@James-h8t9u it’s not a big mystery modern Windows is packed with features that target the larger user base such as content creators, office users, gamers, etc. these features are meant to help Microsoft sell services. Thus, most industrial products rely on debloated operating systems like Windows Embedded, DOS, 95 because essentially they are very basic yet provide the kernel layer required to run programs the downside is that since they aren’t as complicated they can be easily exploited as they are no longer supported by security patches or fixes for known vulnerabilities
bye bye security as well
"Microsoft is lying to you-"
Oh, who would have thought.
I read this in a Pearl voice, bcs of ur pfp lol
@wit_ef8853 lmao it fits
i was about to comment that the phrase alone was enough to be "true" xD
its not news anymore , Sadness.
true baby
An OS shouldn't take that much of resources as windows 11 does
The other day I was dusting off an old standard Win7 laptop, and got nostalgic at it using ONLY 800MB OF RAM on boot.
@@ujiltromm7358 800MB is too much, Q4OS consumes 300MB and makes you feel like 1.25GB are an unlimited amount of ram
@@ujiltromm7358 I've put Puppy Linux on a laptop that had 256 MB of Ram (used to run Windows 2K). Had to use a light browser though (Midori) and only 1 or 2 tabs at a time.
Yes, lets go back to DOS 5.5 that basically did everything in did in under 1 meg.
Of course, since we now demand more from the OS, that all has to be stored somewhere.
How much resources does it use anyways? Could it possibly be enough to crash a whole PC and make it so your computer and monitor won't reconnect for the next buncha reboots?
There are software companies hating on 11 so much that they're even extending their support for Windows 8.1 and 10.
I've got cnc equipment on the production floor with win95. All it does is load the machine.
May God bless them and their families for a thousand generations. I’ll cling to Windows 10 at home for as long as I can.
The day I am outright forced to abandon 10, I'm going to learn linux. I pray for my game library of old and obscure games.
Too late. I stopped at 7 & there's nothing about newer machines that makes me want one.
Bullsheet they need to get support for windows 7 it was the best 1, nobody liked windows 8 and as for windows 10 it spies on you so most people like myself just ended right back where we started which is windows 7 the best operating system these lands have ever seen
The issue is optimisation, OS, games, software... They have stopped caring about making it available to as low specs as possible and have started to say "if they dont have enough they should pay more"
Yep and sadly, until people stop buying them, that's not going to change. People aren't going to do that. Well... most people won't.
It's beyond that. It's just primarily nothing but boatware. They should've just named it "Windows Bloat". Their catchphrase would be, 'We'll bloat your system into oblivion!'
@@averagevideogamer0420 its the worst, I used to love windows back when Windows XP and Windows 7, now I literally loathe it
@@spinasoul People have fond memories of Win XP, but it was arguably far behind standard unices at the time. Windows won companies (and consumers) over through the combination of being cheap and "good enough". Well, that and a great number of anticompetitive practices.
" They have stopped caring about making it available to as low specs as possible " this was NEVER the case, and as he said, Win11 runs on systems that wouldn't run Win7. You think XP didn't increase system requirements over 98? And same with Vista later? When the latter came out, most computers stayed on XP because they weren't powerful enough, if anything, it's NOW new systems don't have more requirements... noobs smh.
Lets hope that Microsoft doesn't start making Updates to 11 that are aimed to directly brick tiny 11
Too late (as of November 2024, the latest update has begun corrupting devices, mine included.)
Bummer
If they do that it won't take long for the mad geniuses behind tiny11 to find a workaround.
Sounds like an EU lawsuit in the making
@@kryperdevits not lol. If I ripped parts out of a car, it would be unreasonable for me expect it to work properly or for others (the windows updater) to be able to do work on it
There is a difference between “It runs” and “it drives”
Edit: Yall i meant this as a joke. But i really like the discourse and little convo we have going on in the comment section.
On god the likes huh(new pb)
Yes, but it states the obvious thing people have been saying since win8: it doesn't need to be bloated to oblivion like this, and people wish it would stop. Not everyone's cut for de-bloating their operating system, much less the teething pains of switching to linux, so things like tiny11 give good alternatives. Pushing it as far as it pheasably can go just makes the more practical versions better, while opening different levels of cut down.
There's also a difference between someone who know what he's doing and a tech illiterate normie who shouldn't be trusted even with a calculator.
Computers of my clients often have lots of bloat (not from MS), including autoloading at the start of the system. Often a browser too with lots of tabs.
no there isnt
@@suprtroopr1028 This reminds me wasn't it nice when Windows 98 let you choose what to install in addition to the basic OS with a handful of presets for non tech-y people.
@@rynobehnke8289 wouldn't know. I was a teenager when 7 came out, so my practical point of referance starts from about vista onwards.
Gotta have that bloatware and spyware! What if all our users go to the more light-weight, less invasive fork of our OS? _WE NEED DA DATA!_
I could never imagine a time where PC's could run Crysis at maximum settings but not run the latest Windows OS. But here we are.
A new bloated (for no reason) OS drives hardware sales. There's no reason at this point to upgrade to a newer OS or the latest hardware, as there's no gain, so the industry has to manufacture a new justification. Apart from pretty graphics, current systems don't offer the average user any performance gains from a 20 year old one.
My favorite feature of win11 was getting me to install Linux
Running Mint here.
Vista already did that for me.
I use Arch btw.
@@ForOdinAndAsgard Well, that's what I run now.
Me and Linux go back to around 1997. :)
One of us.
Based
The worst part isn't the ram requirement, it's almost impossible to find something below 4gb nowadays but the CPU requirement? It's insane to expect everyone to have something from Intel 8th gen or later, my old laptop had a 7th gen, my old work PC had an AMD A4 4000, and god knows that cheap boomer bosses won't be updating their 15-20 year old computers, lot of people don't have money to buy new computers, switching a CPU isn't as easy as adding RAM
I work in IT, specifically for an MSP. It's crazy how many of my clients are running 10+ year old PCs that have had SSD upgrades and maxed out RAM. They're perfectly fine for their day to day operations. Getting them to buy all new hardware just for Windows 11 is an uphill battle to say in the least! I don't blame them either. I don't want to get an entirely new PC just because of the ridiculous CPU requirement!
@@tenhundredkills MS system requirements are there to allow them to do less work to optimize their OS and keep consumers on the upgrade treadmill. if there was any real concern for "security" hardware manufacturers would give up on branch prediction and make components meant to last much longer
@@tenhundredkillsthe question you should ask yourself is, why they need a new PC if what they have is still working? I'm not even saying it's up to their task, because a word processor and excel can run even on a 486. Why we have to pollute the world making new hardware and throwing the old one away? Capitalism lead to this dystopic vision of the world. Corporates want to have the total control of you and cares zero about the environment.
Well you could always go linux, besides a few select games, there is really no reason to use windows. Pretty sure you can run a full home computer setup on a raspberry pi as long as you don't play games that need hardware acceleration.
@xXx_Regulus_xXx Couldn't have said it better myself!
Man I remember running Windows XP, a version of windows with packed with more USEFUL (to the user) features on 128MB ram machine.
That was the last one I was on
I don't need to remember, I still have a 32-bit XP machine in use. 32-bit VBA is still broken on 64-bit machines.
Really good pinball too.
“They should have stopped at Win 3.11”
lol
Personalization and reskinning was also far easier to do. XP even had many in system skins.
I mean, keep fighting that Sisyphean battle I guess. I just left the boulder at the foot of the mountain and went with the friendly penguin instead.
To be fair I did the same, but there are compromises and other issues involved.
Ah, yes, competition... The ancient enemy of corporate apathy.
“A large corporation is lying to you”
Yeah, that’s pretty much the freebie on my daily bingo card
It’s damn near on every square on my card.😂
"What do you mean you don't want heaps of spyware, bloatware, and an inconvenient user interface? How else will we make money!"
-business men who almost certainly don't have to use computers in their day to day life besides sending emails.
It’s also the same businessmen who have more money than they know what to do with, yet making more money is still more important than literally anything else.
Basically making Windows into Android, one piece of bloatware at a time.
@@StreakyBaconMan Android can still manage that with under a gig of ram though. So they can't even do bad things well.
Remember how people on the right said rich people having lots of money was great because they would invest it? Well, this is what happens. The investors are now the real customers and us? We're the _product._
@@mac533reaganomics😅
I wish we could just pick which tools we want in our windows during installation. Like don’t download edge but do download the snipping tool because I use it all the time
Or you could use ksnip instead. The annotation tools are miles ahead of the built in snipping tool and is open source
greenshot is better
@SoloRenegade ooh not come across that one
@ we use it where I work. and I started putting it on all my personal computers.
I'm not familiar with ksnip, I'll have to take a look at that one.
The problem is you need Edge to download Firefox or Chrome.
I still think it's funny how my PC is literally to their exact specifications and it still says I can't update
Windows is so lost right now
A common cause for that is the TPM 2.0 has not been activated. Its there, but in most older machines its deactivated by default. So you have to turn it on before you can upgrade.
I learned that the frustrating way. There are ways to check whether TPM is activated, but actually activating it means going into the Bios.
Might be worth googling how to check if TPM 2.0 is active, just running a google search will get you easy to follow explanations if you are not sure how to do it yourself. I would put up a link, but YT really hates links, because, reasons, but fortunately google is definitely your friend in this if you need to check it and are not sure how.
Just deactivate TPM check when crating your bootable USB, I am running Windows 11 from a 4th gen Intel from 10 years ago.
@alganhar1
My PC is ~5 years old, so I'm not sure about that "off by default" thing, but I can always check
Either way, I'm not upgrading until October (when support stops) because I have my desktop organized how I like it, and I don't want to have to change it just because Win11 looks different
It’s good if it can’t update. Means they can’t put more bloatware and spyware on your PC. Me, I made my PC unable to update on purpose.
The OS is supposed to be a mostly invisible layer between your apps and your hardware. Microsoft seems to think the OS is the goal, when it is just (one of many) means to the goal.
Still find it bad that someone with an i7 7700k can't download windows 11
I thought 7th gen was supported?
8th gen
It’s really annoying. I have 16gb of ram and a gtx 1080ti and I can’t run windows 11.
@@ecospider5 I have a 6 core 12 thread beast with 24 gigs of ram and can't use it.
My 8th gen I7 isnt supported
My ex worked for a small answering service and alarm company all rolled into one. They couldn’t upgrade their XP machines to anything else because the alarm software couldn’t run outside of DOS and was only for 16bit systems. This was back in the early 2000’s, they didn’t upgrade their computers until about 2015. Even then they still had 2 Windows XP machines as fallback in case of issues.
The lengths people will go to to avoid using faster, better, more extensible, more supportable code and software, or to write their own.
@@Aaron.Thomasoften the lengths involve lots of $$$$$
I still have an XP desktop and a 10 laptop.
i love how there are people in the world so smart that they put multi billion dollar industries to shame.
Im not sure that its about smart people, its more about how the multi billion dollar industries are intentionally doing shitty things in order to maximize profit and _anyone_ who is vaguely familiar with tech can immediately recognize what they are doing. NTDEV isn't some kind of genius, they're just a competent computer engineer applying their skills in ways that arent constrained by the business people pushing for profit.
Less then 256mb RAM is what we used to run XP on. It goes to show you how much bloat there is on a modern OS. If we disable all the building mallware , the OS can revert back to been light as it used to.
The OS requiring 4 GIGS is absolutely bonkers. How many background bloatware programs are running to accumulate that? How inefficient is the code? I still remember my windows 3 computer I had when I was a kid. I just played games on it, and it started in DOS mode. Very small system and I only ran exactly what I wanted to use at the time. It actually worked really well!
who would have thought that a windows without all the spy- and adware would need less resources...
I love that an app store is a "key featuer"
What's wrong with it? Even consumer Linux distros do provide them
App stores are fine, Microsoft just does it really horribly
Linux does app stores so much better lol
@@rotmistrzjanm8776 Yeah the only issue with microsoft is that their app store implementation is horribly done, has barely any real apps on it and it is rife with malware and other predatory kinds of apps, linux does app stores much better and essentially the entire linux app ecosystem is based upon app stores so every app is on it.
Don’t worry it’s more useless on macOS
@ No, it's not. Trust me tried many.
Somebody says something about Microsoft Windows
Linux users:it's my time to shine
As a fresh convert to Penguinism, I have to agree. These shorts and videos get recommended to me all the time.
I switched to Linux Mint about 7 months ago. I recently installed Mint Cinnamon 22 and there are updates already. I haven't did the upgrade yet though. I'll be switching this computer in Oct.
My daily driver is vanilla Debian Linux with KDE plasma, since the announcement of W10.
🤷♀️ Only use W10 for some games, work and apps I need that don't have linux versions. And I run everything on a type one hypervisor with the orange and black logo.
The main thing that turns me off of Linux is when all my Linux friends start talking about all the extra steps they take to get certain programs to run. Combine that with the more recent issues that are even affecting the Steam Deck, it makes Linux seem like I'm just limiting myself when with the same amount of work I can just modify Windows.
Can I tell you about our lord and saviour Tux?
My dad is a PC master. When it released, my i7 was uncappable to run win11. Without using tiny11, he made it work tricking windows. Runs to this day, gave that to my uncle. Just to prove how negligent
That's just a TPM issue, which is a pretty easy workaround.
Yeah. Rufus has been very helpful on that
just today had my dad messaging me, confused as to why he couldn't upgrade. So many computers are gonna end up as landfill now, it sucks.
Nah, just sell 'em to your local tech guy, and he can rework them into Linux machines. Linux needs WAY less to run well, but DOES require more technical knowledge. But for people who are looking to start making the transition, or just want to play around before committing, running Linux on older hardware is IDEAL. Low cost, every device that needs special drivers will already have them available, and you aren't giving up your main computer until you're really ready to. If you're tech-curious, you can probably do most of it yourself if you spend time getting help off the internet when you get stuck.
One of these days, I'm going to install Linux on my computer, and it's going to be the biggest upgrade of my computer life.
With a little prep, it definitely can be.
run it in a virtual machine first to get a feel for how things work without changing anything on your machine, then back up all of your stuff when you're ready to make the switch, and feel free to look up guides or ask around if you have any questions, most people are friendly and willing to help you try it out even if they're a little opinionated
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx my biggest problem with linux has to be gaming... can't run league of legends anymore because of Vanguard, and support for other games is less than ideal.
@@witness1603 firstly, being prevented from accessing league should be considered a blessing. secondly, if people en masse say sayonara to windows then devs who purposely prevent people from playing their game will learn when those people stop giving them money.
@@witness1603 support for other games isn't as bad as you think especially when using proton for steam
Once Microsoft tried messing around with subscription and forced system updates I was done with trusting them.
We have to find alternatives now.
Give BazziteOS a try !
It's gaming focused but just well optimized.
Notepad, file explorer, AND Paint! Paint! I can't donthat!
"Microsoft is lying to you!"
I would be genuinely surprised if they WEREN'T lying to me!
Microsoft almost gave me a heart attack a couple days ago. They tried doing the Linux live (CD/disc) thing where you’re loaded into a new operating system. Except the geniuses at Microsoft didn’t think things through and basically, when I started my computer it loaded into Win11, with zero warning.
I understand what they were trying but when I started my computer and unexpectedly load into a newer os except all my local files and basically everything I like about a local os is gone….. Do you really think I’ll be happy to switch to your new “fuck you ones and zeros”?!?!?!
Windows 11 is such a joke. I almost had the same experience. 😅
I started my PC and I forgot what happened that I thought it automatically updated by itself. My heart was beating pretty hard till I realized everything was still Win 10.😅
I've never been so happy to have an older pc setup. Still in spec for all my gaming needs since 2011. The only thing I've had to upgrade is a 2 TB ssd for the main OS and a 12 TB HDD for game storage.
Installing spyware on your computer officially supported by a billion dollar company. - No no
Installing the same spyware on your computer officially supported by a random bloke in India that sells you data to every single country at the same time. - Yes, take my money.
*The Penguin in the room looking confused and baffled about human stupidity.*
Oh no! Microsoft is lying? What else is new?
But it wasnt, instead ufd guy was.
And it seems to be more and more frequent.
@@technolus5742Right because he has more to gain 😂😂😂
Not really. 4 GB is a fairly reasonable baseline requirement
@technolus5742 It's about the motive. If, like you say, he was lying, you would imagine there would be a reason or motive behind why he was doing it.
@@theformalmooshroom9147 I see what you mean. I thought you were being sarcastic.
And yeah with his negative spins he probably gets more views. (Although, his friend over at Zach tect turf, does very well without these shenanigans.)
Microsoft left the OS game when they turned Windows into a data harvesting tool. I'm never upgrading from Windows 10, I would love a viable version of Linux, but I may have to move to Mac. What a world we live in.
Bazzite OS is the most advanced Linux destro I've ever tried, it's gaming focused so well optimized.
What do you mean viable? Go install Mint. Virtually identical to the Windows experience. Most games work on Linux now as well.
How tf they come up with a 184 mb config?
VM
Virtual machine maybe? I found a 128mb stick on eBay, maybe someone made an onscure oddball amount once.
@@mrcmoes 128 makes sense, thats 1/8 of 1gb. Usually ram uses powers of 2. 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192, etc. and sometimes they'll do stuff like 768 too, but that's just 512+256
@someidiot4311 yeah, i can't think of any configuration, i saw a comment above that said virtual memory.....
I bet it’s a 192 mb computer with 8mb for programs.
They've always lied. I remember figuring out a switch to bypass system requirements and installing windows ME on my 386/25 with mb of ram
It's not that they're lying on that part, it's that they don't want to pay to officially provide dev support for really old hardware. Not officially supported versions/hardware may or may not work, but MS doesn't put in time making guarantees.
You must have had a co-processor as well then. Win98 onwards WOULD NOT install without one. I know, I tried installing 98 on a 486SX machine. No matter what I tried, the install kept failing. So I left it as a dual boot 3.1/95
It's a data collection tool with an OS in it. If you delete the data collection....
they want you to have enough ram for them to use your ram to steal your data
Hey, the correct answer!
I want to safely come back to Win7 i mean COME ON
windows VISTA for the win
All the extra space required is for the obscene amount of bloatware apps running in the background. There's a huge market out there for devices completely devoid of all this junk that YOU don't use (but the companies use to spy on you) and I can't believe that nobody's jumped on this opportunity yet. I would be a lifelong customer of a company that manufactures blank customizable products.
Bazzite OS is the most advanced Linux distro I've ever tried, it's gaming focused so well optimized.
@GreenHatPIrate do they make phones and such or just gaming PC'S? I actually have a Tiger PC tower from the mid 2000's like that. Fully customized and _F A S T_ 🚀
I just want basically Windows 95 back. But running modern software. Low weight, low impact operating system with none of the bells and whistles. "Does" nothing.
I remember Windows 95. Coming from MS-DOS and 3.1, it was pretty much ALL bells and whistles. Also, it was kind of unstable. Windows 98 SE improved on that a lot. XP was surprisingly good.
@@Akkleptos Sure, 98 was fine. XP was fine too. I started on 3.1 myself too but at least 95 was prettier so I have nostalgia for it, but you're pretty correct. But everything after XP has been terrible and awful and I just don't care about all the "features" MS keeps adding and I really don't want to have to learn Linux, but at this point, I will rather than switch over to 11.
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe I've started on XP on my grandparents' PC. Then dad got me laptop with Vista preinstalled which I didn't like a lot. At some point laptop just started to BSOD on launch (me downloading something off of internet, I guess) so, full reinstall had to be done and it was XP this time. And, oh miracle CoD2 stopped crashing after attempting to progress past Soviet campaign.
Does nothing? Is crashing randomly nothing?
Did you forget about the games it came with?
Ofc they lie: they care only about the bottom line.
I miss my desktop Button
what desktop button?
I miss being able to reposition my taskbar to the side, and 'replicate' the start menu file-navigation system for each mounted volume (or project folders) with it's own icon toggled from the built in context menu -- out of the box...
You can get the windows 10 taskbar with a windows explorer mod
It's still there though!? You have to turn in on in taskbar settings.
@@extremegameplays7404 yes
the no file exp, sec or terminal is a nogo for me
that said I wonder how much damage a virus could even do with that much of the core OS missing. if you try to siphon gas from a car after someone replaced the engine and most of the internals with bike parts, you're not going to get any gas
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx record keystrokes
There's alternatives that are usually faster or better in some ways. Or you could install the windows apps right back.
If you have to cut things down to make it work on devices with less than the recommended ram, then are they actually lying?
bet if you Use Something old on something new it works Just as well.. Like Dos running a Sever
The fact that it doesn't have file explorer is a little concerning...
the fact you can run it on literally 3% of the original version is slightly concerning
No file explorer is crazy. Unless it's turned into a linux based system. I could never switch
Total commander
Just need it to run my calibration equipment I don’t need a file system or windows at all honestly even a terminal like dos is enough
Apparently that was just a typical UFD blunder. If you go to the article that screenshot is from, those are apparently the features that *aren’t* removed
No terminal too tho. This is basically a potato OS
And yet I still can't update to Windows 11 because I have to update my damn BIOS to be able to boot in safe mode.
Guys, they need the 4gb of ram so that they can collect data on the background on what you do and send it to their servers without you noticing.
When something is free, you're the product. Someone please build a proper OS ffs how can this take 40 years.
For reference, that means a New 3DS could run Windows 11 (it has 256mb of RAM), though the OS would have to be modified to work on a 400x240 screen
You'd also need an ARM compile.
@KiraSlith true
Many of us PC enthusiasts have had 32GB of RAM or more for years already so I see zero need for Tiny11. Those cut-down customized OS's can be a pain sometimes when some stuff will just not run due to certain OS component(s) missing
that would be the bees knees for someone resurrecting a netbook.
Microsof should make a Light and Super Light version of 11
They can't because then they wouldn't be able to shove all their bloatware and "legal" spyware down your throat
I guess the bloat that Windows was suffering from all this time was microsoft itself.
4 GBs of ram for an OS somehow feels diabolical to me
MX Linux runs fine on that.
My laptop SMOOTHLY runs a flagship Linux Mint distro with just 2GB RAM total. Of course I do have a swap space as people recommend, but every time I open up htop I realise it's just never used really, the much bigger bottleneck is its Pentium chipset.
Most of these 4gb are used to make the system snappier by caching and released for applications when needed. It is not the system using the 4gb.
The insult is that the customer is the butt of the joke to Microsoft. Statistically their average customer is considered stupid and free with their money, according to that company.
"Microsoft is lying to you" ... when has Microsoft not lied?
Every time I get the notification to upgrade to 11, I delete it. I did upgrade to 11 at first but, within 2 minutes reverted back to 10.
The problem, as always, is bloat. For some reason, people seem to think and OS needs to be MORE than an OS. It needs to have AI in it, it needs this 'app' and that 'app' (not even sure when computers stopped using programs and started using apps). It needs 'features'... often trial versions of things you don't want or need, yet can't remove if you decide you don't need them or their trial. You know. Just in case.
It annoys me to no end that all this crap that renders any phone bought directly from a provider has somehow migrated into being in home OS programs as well.
Nothing a corporation has done since the 80's is about making a better product (that's what consumer co-ops do).
It's all about how to make more money with what you have.
prebuilds have had preinstalled bloatware for ages now, long before smart phones were a thing. Nothing new under the sun
@@JH-fk8ow That's what OP said. ("The problem, as always, is bloat") The second paragraph was an "And another thing that annoys me..."
You can tell because they said, "not even sure when computers stopped using programs and started using apps," which demonstrates they've been using computers since before smart phones-so they know it's a problem that predates smart phones.
Hope this resolved the miscommunication. That's my only goal with this post.
It’s like 6 GB difference and basically no difference in RAM usage. Also, < 4GB of ram in 2025 is insane. Like, maybe if you are just hosting a small web server? But you still need to keep in mind that actually having memory for caching stuff is important, and windows 11 is targeted towards consumers. (Like if you need something minimal, why aren’t you just using Linux)
@palmberry5576 Because Windows is what people are used to and many programs don't work well on Linux, if at all.
The problem is that Windows has been adding more and more crap that people neither need, nor want in order to try to pretend like Microsoft is innovating instead of slapping a new coat of paint on the same old same
Someone's obviously running Tiny Core with a Windows 11 theme...
The last good OS was Win 7. Every iteration afterwards was dumbed down bloated spyware forced on us to sell phones and tablets, which didn't sell.
They need 3.9 GB to run all that spyware..
Plus it's full of spyware that is very difficult to get rid of.
Removing notepad and calc to reduce the usage is crazy
and then there’s my inspiron which can barely run edge 🙏😭
They need the extra RAM to run their data mining software...
The UX has square corners. Its already an improvement for that alone.
"key features" Most of us call it bloatware.
I just cant wait for them to be punished for this braindead greed. I was one of the windows 7 holdouts until Steam finally cut support, and I had never felt more justified than troubleshooting my buddy's computer and seeing all the bloatware and telemetry clogging up his task manager. Linux + Wine/Proton are the future for sure.
What's ironic is I would actually pay for this type of version of Windows
YOU'RE TELLING ME I WOULD HAVE TO SACRIFICE
- File Explorer
- Notepad
- Literal Settings App
- cmd
?!?!
They lie about system requirements to sell unnecessary hardware for their unnecessarily "upgraded" software.
I'm starting to think Microsoft kidnapped his wife or something😂
Nah, he makes these so the linux fanboys comment to boost engagement, its pretty smart ngl
Modern Windows 11 and it's stupid Recall feature that screenshots all your stuff every few seconds.
Well that's 188MB to run Windows 11 and the rest to run the crap that comes with it..
When Win 11 first came out, they offered a free "upgrade" to it from Win 10. They also said we could try it for 30 days and revert back to Win 10 if we didn't like it. I tried it for 3 days and was so disgusted that I reverted back to Win 10. That ran fine for a while but then started having "issues", mostly right after the latest update. It became a crap shoot as to which updates would actually work and not cause any additional issues. Finally, I backed up my files, wiped the drive, and reinstalled a fresh version of Win 10. It's been fine ever since and that was over a year ago. Bottom line: Win 11 won't EVER be on any PC I own.
I don’t use windows anymore. Such a relief.
What cloud storage do you use?
Microsoft wouldn't be Microsoft if they quit telling lies!
Another one of those "the sky is blue" posts? Ok, fair enough
Next Challenge: Run Windows 11 from a Floppy Diskette ✋🏻✋🏻
Me running Windows 11 on my Nintendo DSi:
I'm betting that one of the official requirements is "Keep the bloatware."
I installed Linux mint on my laptop, I can run some basic process and games and it wont heat up, fans dont run. Windows 10 (with some debloat) with nothing running on it and it gets warm and fans spool up quick. Windows 11 might melt it haha. Not even that old of a computer.
Personally, I didn't even want 7 or 10, and they keep getting worse.
I tried Windows 11 once. It completely ruined the compression on all my png files, and I do A LOT of pixel art as a hobby.
Windows only needs those ram and CPU specs to run all the surveillance and key logging activity they supply to the NSA. Without that, you could probably run it on an amstrad.
Is there a site where I can safely get an iso of tiny 11?
I've been running Windows 11 without TPM or Safe Boot, so they lied about that too
It works in safe mode, so it doesn't count
Windows 11 needs the 4 GB of RAM for all of the antivirus software that loads under their security house of cards... and for all of the spyware that Microsoft added on top.
Microsoft always lying to you 😂
Windows 11's existence is already a lie, remember when they said that Windows 10 was the last windows ever and they would just keep updating that version?
or just go to Linux OS instead of Windows 11 the people needs to get away from Windows and prove to them the people will not take this shit anymore.
when SteamOS is available to the public with easy access... we're going to see a lot of people move away from Windows, I expect.
@@shrykobut Linux doesn’t have Roblox
@ most people don't play roblox, statistically speaking. Also, Roblox has mainly a younger audience, who wouldn't be switching OSes, generally, either.
@palmberry5576 There's a client called Sober that works as a wrapper for the android version of Roblox. Works just fine.
@@shryko I don't know why people are so obsessed with "SteamOS", it's meant for their steamdecks in particular and not wide distribution. Just go with Bazzite instead.
Just use Ghost Spectre so you can turn BACK features you might need (missing Notepad and Calculator is not fun).