A city that's a work in progress is not a bad thing at all bc every existing city/town in the world has been a work in progress since they were founded.
My family was planning to buy apartment at Songdo 10 years ago but after seeing Yellow & Industrial pollution from China smog out the Songdo, we decided to not to invest in Songdo. Without China, we would have happily moved into Songdo.
I have no clue why people are criticising this city, it looks beautiful and if i could i would definitely move in and never leave, i like large open spaces, and i love walking driving through them, quiet clean cold open spaces where i can get stuff i want without getting in any que or joy demolishing hassle 😍
@Takoyuki I live in Songdo. It is not that different from newer areas all ovef the country but there are certain things that do feel a little different. Driving in Songdo is so much better, i really like the wider roads
Being from Argentina, I know my place in the world is in korea. I lived in a gorgeous place close to seoul, close to the mountain, with a huge shopping mall nearby, a lot of cute shops, convenient subway and bus stations and the river with bike lanes that reached seoul and beyond. Honestly south korea is a paradise in earth. I am talking about infrastructure and design. There are places I do not like but I would sell my soul to live in that place.
Having spent this summer in Songdo, the infrastructure is certainly not designed for foot traffic. There is phenomenal shopping, yet a lack of any nightlife or historical attractions. Overall, this is a smart city which is based around research and academics yet all local and international students I interacted with were unsatisfied with Songdo. I’d say it’s only appealing for wealthy middle aged individuals looking to get away from the bustle of Seoul and Incheon.
Centrally planned economies keep failing, and the central planners keep making excuses for why they failed last time and why they'll do better this time. And then they fail again. Stop trying. A city planner should drop a grid, and caution off the land to private developers and let the market do the rest. That's how Paris was built. That's how London was built. That's how New York was built. The history of our most celebrated cities is one of landlords and property developers being let lose to do what they believed would work, and the best of them succeeding
@@flakgun153 Oh yes let's build a new city organically. So are many cities in India, Africa, South America that are all terrible to live in. You know what's not replaceable like a can of coke? A city. Poor planning does not mean planning is bad. It just means cities like the video mentioned, is built for investors, not people. Don't confuse the two.
That's because the whole smart city wasn't planned for connecting with people's culture and socioeconomic history. It's like trying to time travel a whole city from the far future back to the past and then a huge disconnect is created. Like, who would even create a city revolving around cars in a nation where its citizens are mostly used to foot traffic and (mostly) cannot even afford to buy their own car right?
Just a guess but it seems as if the are well off, at least by Korean standards! The quaint little village is now just a memory and there is a cliche and soon the cliche is too large then, another clique begins to form and then another and so on .South Korea is or shouldn’t be the center of the topic. The UTOPIAN world will never be unless there is a one world order and that should be resisted even to the death. I don’t wish to be a lemming and rush to the brink it seems to be where the world is headed. I am an individual and wish to remain that way until the next universe begins!
I personally think that the smart city concept does not have that much of a soul. Traditional architecture, art-deco style buildings are so rare in these concepts. Smart city should be technologically smart, yes, but it should have the fabric of local customs, culture, traditions weaved in it. I hope this concept matures with time.
I think incorporating the megablock aspect of some of the large cities in South America (I think there was a Vox video about it) so that this kind of specificity and culture can be intertwined with the aspect of the smart city.
@@andro7862 modernity has no soul. It is opposed to pride, bliss and love and only looks at how things will be useful in the future. It is brutal and utilitarian.
South Korea is the greatest country in the world, we created the miracle of the world, can lead the direction of the world, South Korea will stand at the highest point in the world！
And now, Songdo has more than 600,000 residents. It could said that South Korea managed to become the first country to successfully pull off a smart city project and with a city built from scratch at that
Songdo has a huge design mistake. Lack of public transportation and the fact that it’s too far to walk anywhere but at the same time too short to drive anywhere (especially cuz taking out your car from an apartment complex in korea is a bit complicated).
7:20 the automobile orientation of South Korean society, like most other things, is a direct consequence of embracing American culture out of necessity to survive in the political heat of the 1950s. For an American to criticise it as a South Korean idiosyncrasy is soul-churningly ironic.
Also you just have to consider the population density in places like this. Half of the South Korean population lives in the Seoul Metropolitan Area which this city belongs to as well. About 25 million people that live there and most of them commute into Seoul City itself. There is a lot of motivation to use the subway as it’s highly connected and convenient so if they connect the city well into that network less will use cars.
@@oceanstaiga5928 It just seems like the infrastructure could have started and focused more on mass transit than aesthetically pleasing building that show how cool and trendy the architect are. Not saying the whole city is that way but when building a city kinda from scratch the transportation of people should be the highest and most important factor, especially in a world burning from carbon emissions.
I agree but confronting that old paradigm will be the largest challenge for planners going into the future. Lessons can be learned from that conflict to shed the old and redefine our values for city building.
@@mikecontreras5190 I agree, transportation accessibility and pedestrian safety should play a big role when planning a city. Just wanted to give a perspective that 8 lanes might seem more crazy at first before considering the population density of the area, then it’s not that much in comparison anymore. Still any car traffic that can be avoided should definitely be avoided.
@@mikecontreras5190 have you been to Korea? The public transport is literally rated as one of the most extensive in the world. Also, when 25 million people are in one city, it's hard to fit them all in buses and subways, when I went there, the subways were crowded from 5 all the way to around 11. Buses and taxis have limits too so of course cars will have to be used. And since so many cars are in that city, the roads will naturally have to be bigger. Pretty common sense.
I really hope there would be a very fast transportation system to get to Seoul. Having some people from Seoul living in Songdo would really help alleviate the high prices of housing in Seoul. I feel like more shops are needed to attract businesses and to create neighbourhoods.
@@DjChronokun GTX B is 'planned' to be done by 2027 and its very likely even that will be delayed given how initial GTX A is also getting delayed by few yrs.
these master planned cities are always so interesting. Seeing their conceptualization and realization. The growing pains and triumphs of getting residents in them. Wild to see. It's also wild to see asian countries adopt the car harder than us Americans. We like us a car-loving city but the mandate to design cities so many cars can flow through it as possible is weird. 8 lanes, really Korea? We have a few avenues like that and they are just awful. You not encouraged to get off the road and patron the local businesses, you are encouraged to stay in your car and just drive past everything and not stop..
the traffic-related solutions mentioned that are being exported to the Philippines might have been delayed cause the traffic is just getting worse here.
@@johnholst Yea that's what I mentioned as well, but we are trying to stay as close as possible to our grandparents to spend time with them before they pass away and Songdo seems like a well developed place to stay and has lots of parks and greenery too. In our case, its much more convenient to stay in Songdo but I would LOVE to stay in Seoul!
it's technically just one part of Incheon City, I'm pretty sure you've heard of that one? Incheon is where a big airport is (Incheon International Airport)
I got so upset when they said the government officials demanded 8 lane roads. They could've achieved an integrated city where people enjoy walking. Instead its boring asphalt. Why even hire urban planners if you're going to act like you know better in the end
When I was hearing that part, I automatically connected the reason for the demand to the defense purpose. Very high chance I'm wrong, though population density and defense would be the only reasons I can think of for such demand
I'm Korean and have been to Songdo several times. This so-called "smart" city is largely soulless and inconvenient and I would never live there. I myself live in one of the oldest and densest districts of Seoul (Dongdaemun) which is conveniently walkable with many narrow alleyways, nearby shops, and one-lane roads-- all connected to Seoul's vast subway and bus system. That is what a true smart city is, not some suburban-style planned city.
Thank you to mention of Korean related issues =) It will be pleased if there are any things to be shared for the progress of mankind altogether. =) Additionally, I would like to appreciate to all nations where saved us from invasions against communism propaganda in 1950s. Soldiers from around the world sowed their blood, sweat, and endeavor in this land, and these led Korea to a revival to protection of democracy. Korea is eager to contribute to the world to repay their sacrifices. =) Thank you world citizens who supported Korea so far. =)
Buildings can be modern and sustainable while also preserving traditional design. Bland box cities lack charms. Life is not monotonous, and so are cities. - A civil engineer student
Ofcourse you are a student, way to naive to understand when planning to build buildings for cheap so that millions of people could live in it, you can't just 'introduce tradition'.
@@the_crypter Then the depression, unhappiness or insatisfaccion of the society living in those boring cities will be coming on in a future...with more other health problems developing probably. That also would have a big cost to their goverments...but they only think in the $ of the present, lool.
At 2:55 this city is called Bahria Town Karachi ( it’s still called a town idk y but it is ). It’s being made by a private group in Pakistan, on the outskirts of the city of Karachi ( the worlds 5th largest city). The reason for the making of this city is because Karachi as a city is now super crowded and dense and the rich are getting tired of living in such a place, so they decided to make their own city with huge green lawns, pool and all kinds of unsustainable stuff in the middle of a desert.
And also actually succeeds at making cities that don't entirely revolve around cars and are not just a half hearted attempt that ends up with an 8 lane highway for cars
@@dustinm2717 Weird comment. Who hates cars and buses? Maybe cuz I live in LA i don't see a problem with it. Planned cities can take over a decade to bring everyone in.
@@aoh4905 Nobody hates car,I love car, I am a car person, But, I hate when I need to sit in traffic for 2 hour just to get home I hate when I am forced to drive 8 Hour straight because their is no other mode Of transportation I hate when I need to take a car just to get a bottle of milk from grocery store I hate when my kids need to depend on me or someone else just to visit their friend or even go to School I hate when you are like locked in home if you don't have a car I hate when disabled people can't even go out because of car centric city desing I hate when you have no other option but car to get around
Dang. Some of those 8 lanes roads aren't warranted for the level of traffic they receive. Silly government doesn't trust the professionals who don't want those huge roads.
The massive roads are very U.S.-like. That comes along with noise, air pollution and makes the city less livable. If they scrapped the idea of massive 10-line roads, instead build a public transport (metro, bus) and increased lvl of bike lines (Like in Amsterdam) it would be really nice. As it stands though, I would not want to live there.
Munich is a extremely walkable city with major roads - Leopold str. Used to live there. Too expensive for the way i choose to live. 9:50 - he actually mentioned your improvements. ( you are correct)
Wife and I got married there! She was born there. We LOVE Songdo/incheon. Absolutely amazing place. We like it better than Seoul. Imagine being in Manhattan. But without all the crowds. But just enough to not feel alone. At night you can walk around and see towering lights and insane architecture… but have a cafe all to yourself on the 40th floor of a sky rise ….
In addition to my previous comment, we humans tend to cluster in small groups, villages, even in severely deprived economic areas, has it to do with feeling safe by huddling? Animals of many types huddle together it must have a sense of safety regardless of standing in the world!
Once China reopens coal-fired plants due to Australia's resumption of coal export, Songdo will be affected the most in terms of fine dust and air pollution because the City is located in the very west side of the peninsula.
There is a bicycle park under the Songdo International Bridge. We need to change the silly design. The design that should be installed downhill is applied to flat land. A few years ago, I informed the government office of the situation, but the person in charge did not understand at all.
Thing is, there's many issues. It's basically run by Samsung, it's even called Samsung city 2 sometimes. Also transportation has some things to be desired such as better subway. But it isn't too bad. Also the traffic lights and cameras here are garbage. You drive past 2 lights then get hit by a red.
I've been in Songdo. I didn't like the design as much, because there is so much space between the buildings, you always need to walk a lot, even in a space where there should be many shops. I would prefer id they did clusters of buildings with shops on the ground level and parks on one side of the block. Idk, it wasn't that walkable as they presented it in the video.
That's the exact type of city where there're a lot of green space and walkable sites. Unlike Hong Kong or other dense cities of China, Songdo area is more green and a lot of space to walk with your family !
thank you for the post about songdo in korea. there are several more brand new cities like songdo in Korea. would you mind reviewing sejong govermental and political capital city ?
@@johnholst well. koreansare flattered. appreciate the compliment but changwon is relatively very first city plannings in korea and is an industrial city with a full of manufacturing facilities. i love eveery city i visited in english spoken countries
@@TireSpare Changwon does have a large industrial presence. But the neat thing is that it's separate from the commercial and residential areas of the city. It was planned that way. I've lived here for about 20 years. My favorite city in Korea.
@@johnholst sorry for my misspelling with not adding do and does in every verb tense ! hope you do get them not wrong way ! never did mean to be stubborn !
I see a lot of EMPTINESS Russia, China, North Korea all have huge "parade grounds" and boulevards, all with no people I was reminded of this during the whole video. Why travel to other countries and cities if, they are all going to mimic other cities, doesn't make sense to me!
Cities are places for people to work, live, and fulfills their basic needs. I hope that those cities listed on the stock exchange are still regulated by governments to ensure that the residents of the cities are not risking their lives living there due to the volatility of the stock market.
It looks cool but I can tell that is not walkable at all. tram and metro can help to make a city more walkable, easy access to bycicles too. electric scooters are more convenient than cars in my opinion (I know Korea is a cold country). For entertainment, night life is also important with public spaces for people to hangout.
they have a subway system and a BRT system (and great cycle and pedestrian infrastructure too), anti-car crowd is just salty because they made the city drive-able too
Not really. Most of the heat that would be melting the ice caps, will actually be absorbed by the liquid water first. Winter is simply too cold for that to happen, and the oceans too large.
@@blahbleh5671 I think they melt and then refreeze. Is that even new though? During summer it gets 24 hours if light. How did it ever not melt in the first place? I'm pretty sure it's overblown, because the information is so new
@@grantmccoy6739 yes, some of it melts in summer and then freezes again in winter, that is normal, the verifiable evidence suggests that more is melting in summer and less of it is re-freezing in winter, as the temperature rises.
@@blahbleh5671 I'm just skeptical that they would be able to verify that for certain. The data is limited, and climate change, if you believe the narrative, can result in colder winters. It sounds like a wash to me, like it's not really going to be unbalanced.
@@aperture0 the netherlands has built a lot more than a city out of water, drained huge lakes to make land, made a 2.412 km² kind of island out of sea, they had to make it a huge lake first etc
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A city that's a work in progress is not a bad thing at all bc every existing city/town in the world has been a work in progress since they were founded.
The South Korean story is nothing short of inspirational. Congrats from Australia
Too bad the North Koreans couldn't be a part of it.
@@zinjanthropus322 cause of china. And china won’t even help build there economy.
I m korean living in perth🤘
Hey down under! please keep banning on coal exports to China so Songdo can have clean air all day long against the Chinese dusts and winds.
My family was planning to buy apartment at Songdo 10 years ago but after seeing Yellow & Industrial pollution from China smog out the Songdo, we decided to not to invest in Songdo. Without China, we would have happily moved into Songdo.
As a civil engineer who designs and constructs infrastructure in old dense cities, this sounds like a dream
structural or geo ?
design a house for me pls
I wonder how long before the sea consumes it. 😓
I have no clue why people are criticising this city, it looks beautiful and if i could i would definitely move in and never leave, i like large open spaces, and i love walking driving through them, quiet clean cold open spaces where i can get stuff i want without getting in any que or joy demolishing hassle 😍
@@VRtechman never
South Korea is one of the safest country in the world great people culture and food
I can leave my bike on the street or stuff to go to the bathroom with no worries like everyone else here with no worries. Great in that aspect
South Korea has a high suicide rate
@@chinheat297 thanks for pointing out wuhan virus
@@chinheat297 So is China and Japan.
@@chinheat297 ‘PRC’ Pneumonia Virus OUT
Songdo is awesome, but a lot of things they mention in this aren't unique to just there in Korea. All the high tech stuff is in Seoul too.
Exactly. Songdo just seemed like an extension of Incheon/Seoul
Those things were unique when they were first planned I guess... but South Korea developed too quickly so Songdo doesn't seem so special anymore
@Takoyuki I live in Songdo. It is not that different from newer areas all ovef the country but there are certain things that do feel a little different. Driving in Songdo is so much better, i really like the wider roads
@@InternationalNathan you can find those same wide roads on any other city in south korea
@@전브렌트 No, you certainly can not. Really just the newer cities or redeveloped parts of older ones.
Being from Argentina, I know my place in the world is in korea. I lived in a gorgeous place close to seoul, close to the mountain, with a huge shopping mall nearby, a lot of cute shops, convenient subway and bus stations and the river with bike lanes that reached seoul and beyond. Honestly south korea is a paradise in earth. I am talking about infrastructure and design. There are places I do not like but I would sell my soul to live in that place.
Tokyo is way better.
@@erikjj235 yeah of course you can die with radiation 😂
@@hych8429 and Seoul has really bad pollution and lots of trash on the beach.
@@erikjj235 okay, weeaboo
@@midleno8364 that's an old line. Use some thing new.
I miss Korea man…. One of my favorite countries to temporarily live in.
I'll have one of my vacation homes there :j
@@FlashRyu LOl why temporarily?
Same here, had a blast living there for a year. But the working conditions are just way nicer over in Europe..
@@oceanstaiga5928 What's your field of work if you don't mind sharing?
@@oceanstaiga5928 😅haha it's getting better than the past but still ya the condition is stressful.
The fact that it is safe in the earthquake is a great blessing
日本地震から🗾頑張れーー
Having spent this summer in Songdo, the infrastructure is certainly not designed for foot traffic. There is phenomenal shopping, yet a lack of any nightlife or historical attractions. Overall, this is a smart city which is based around research and academics yet all local and international students I interacted with were unsatisfied with Songdo. I’d say it’s only appealing for wealthy middle aged individuals looking to get away from the bustle of Seoul and Incheon.
More like Dubai right
Centrally planned economies keep failing, and the central planners keep making excuses for why they failed last time and why they'll do better this time. And then they fail again.
Stop trying. A city planner should drop a grid, and caution off the land to private developers and let the market do the rest.
That's how Paris was built. That's how London was built. That's how New York was built.
The history of our most celebrated cities is one of landlords and property developers being let lose to do what they believed would work, and the best of them succeeding
@@flakgun153 Oh yes let's build a new city organically. So are many cities in India, Africa, South America that are all terrible to live in. You know what's not replaceable like a can of coke? A city. Poor planning does not mean planning is bad. It just means cities like the video mentioned, is built for investors, not people. Don't confuse the two.
Yeah, definitely not for young students :P but I'm 35yrs old Ajumma with three kids and I love living Songdo!
That's because the whole smart city wasn't planned for connecting with people's culture and socioeconomic history. It's like trying to time travel a whole city from the far future back to the past and then a huge disconnect is created. Like, who would even create a city revolving around cars in a nation where its citizens are mostly used to foot traffic and (mostly) cannot even afford to buy their own car right?
My parents live there, overlooking the golf course Jack Nicklaus Golf Club Korea. Amazing place! 엄마 아빠 보고 싶다!
Hope you will come and visit them soon !
Just a guess but it seems as if the are well off, at least by Korean standards! The quaint little village is now just a memory and there is a cliche and soon the cliche is too large then, another clique begins to form and then another and so on .South Korea is or shouldn’t be the center of the topic. The UTOPIAN world will never be unless there is a one world order and that should be resisted even to the death. I don’t wish to be a lemming and rush to the brink it seems to be where the world is headed. I am an individual and wish to remain that way until the next universe begins!
@@jurabekibrokhimov1819 Thank you!!!!
I personally think that the smart city concept does not have that much of a soul. Traditional architecture, art-deco style buildings are so rare in these concepts. Smart city should be technologically smart, yes, but it should have the fabric of local customs, culture, traditions weaved in it. I hope this concept matures with time.
I think incorporating the megablock aspect of some of the large cities in South America (I think there was a Vox video about it) so that this kind of specificity and culture can be intertwined with the aspect of the smart city.
Modernity has no soul anyway.
All cities are moving towards looking the same. Just concrete, steel and glass with some green spaces sprinkled in between.
@@someonejustsomeone1469 Modernity does have a soul, a lack of creativity does not.
@@andro7862 modernity has no soul. It is opposed to pride, bliss and love and only looks at how things will be useful in the future. It is brutal and utilitarian.
South Korea is the greatest country in the world, we created the miracle of the world, can lead the direction of the world, South Korea will stand at the highest point in the world！
What are you bluffing about lol
And now, Songdo has more than 600,000 residents. It could said that South Korea managed to become the first country to successfully pull off a smart city project and with a city built from scratch at that
South Korea is amazing
Songdo has a huge design mistake. Lack of public transportation and the fact that it’s too far to walk anywhere but at the same time too short to drive anywhere (especially cuz taking out your car from an apartment complex in korea is a bit complicated).
7:20 the automobile orientation of South Korean society, like most other things, is a direct consequence of embracing American culture out of necessity to survive in the political heat of the 1950s. For an American to criticise it as a South Korean idiosyncrasy is soul-churningly ironic.
송도 완전 좋아요 여러분
And just 100 years ago the intire provence of flevoland that is larger than luxembourg and hongkong combined was a sea.
I actually live here! It’s a perfect place for people who want to get away from the noisiness of a metropolis but with the convenient perks of it.
how's the living expenses? if you don't mind my asking.
How much do residents actually walk around?
@@thebrokegirl Housing prices (like everywhere else) has gone up. Its about $7500/m2. Living costs are a bit expensive, but cheaper than Gangnam.
@@flinx not that much. You will never see a packed sidewalk in Songdo like Seoul.
@@markan6155 thanks for the reply. That's quite expensive.
Lost my interest as soon has they said it had to have an 8-10 lane highway running through it. We need to evolve past that for cities.
Also you just have to consider the population density in places like this. Half of the South Korean population lives in the Seoul Metropolitan Area which this city belongs to as well. About 25 million people that live there and most of them commute into Seoul City itself. There is a lot of motivation to use the subway as it’s highly connected and convenient so if they connect the city well into that network less will use cars.
@@oceanstaiga5928 It just seems like the infrastructure could have started and focused more on mass transit than aesthetically pleasing building that show how cool and trendy the architect are. Not saying the whole city is that way but when building a city kinda from scratch the transportation of people should be the highest and most important factor, especially in a world burning from carbon emissions.
I agree but confronting that old paradigm will be the largest challenge for planners going into the future. Lessons can be learned from that conflict to shed the old and redefine our values for city building.
@@mikecontreras5190 I agree, transportation accessibility and pedestrian safety should play a big role when planning a city. Just wanted to give a perspective that 8 lanes might seem more crazy at first before considering the population density of the area, then it’s not that much in comparison anymore. Still any car traffic that can be avoided should definitely be avoided.
@@mikecontreras5190 have you been to Korea? The public transport is literally rated as one of the most extensive in the world. Also, when 25 million people are in one city, it's hard to fit them all in buses and subways, when I went there, the subways were crowded from 5 all the way to around 11. Buses and taxis have limits too so of course cars will have to be used. And since so many cars are in that city, the roads will naturally have to be bigger. Pretty common sense.
"We made a walkable city"
*shows stroad*
I was fuming when the architect said that the government forced them to build the stroads
How many lanes is that, you can see the curvature of the Earth across the stroad.
Certainly not an inviting place to live. High rise ghettos and stroads. Slightly better with greenery; but not dissimilar to any Chinese new-build
TO be fair, it's not as bad as the NA stroad. At least the sidewalks are walkable and cyclable LOL
In NA stroad, you will die riding a bike haha
my exact thought when it came up haha
Pedestrian-friendly cities are better than car-centric cities, period.
I really hope there would be a very fast transportation system to get to Seoul. Having some people from Seoul living in Songdo would really help alleviate the high prices of housing in Seoul. I feel like more shops are needed to attract businesses and to create neighbourhoods.
GTX B, opening in 2023, will reduce commute times
@@DjChronokun GTX B is 'planned' to be done by 2027 and its very likely even that will be delayed given how initial GTX A is also getting delayed by few yrs.
Planned cities always take time.. no one gonna just move in for no reason lol
Exactly how we built Batter Park City using the backfill from the Twin Towers.
these master planned cities are always so interesting. Seeing their conceptualization and realization. The growing pains and triumphs of getting residents in them. Wild to see. It's also wild to see asian countries adopt the car harder than us Americans. We like us a car-loving city but the mandate to design cities so many cars can flow through it as possible is weird. 8 lanes, really Korea? We have a few avenues like that and they are just awful. You not encouraged to get off the road and patron the local businesses, you are encouraged to stay in your car and just drive past everything and not stop..
the traffic-related solutions mentioned that are being exported to the Philippines might have been delayed cause the traffic is just getting worse here.
Traffic is getting better in the Philippines
Which place or city do you live. The new highway in Manila has helped me so much.
Open na yung Skyway. Tapos may mga extension pa silang ginagawa. Malaking tulong na yon sa mga motorista.
My family and I are planning to visit Korea in 2023 and we are looking at staying somewhere in Songdo.
Can't wait!!!
Songdo is fun to visit. But you won't want to stay there if it's your intention to see Seoul. Cheaper and much more convenient to just stay in Seoul.
@@johnholst Yea that's what I mentioned as well, but we are trying to stay as close as possible to our grandparents to spend time with them before they pass away and Songdo seems like a well developed place to stay and has lots of parks and greenery too. In our case, its much more convenient to stay in Songdo but I would LOVE to stay in Seoul!
This is so cool I am surprised I had never heard of the Korean city or is it just me? Once again awesome video. I am from Chandigarh.
India's most beatiful city.
I've been to this city three times. It's awesome! However, it is a little empty.
Wife and I got married there. We love it so much. Stayed for a week. It’s beautiful.
@@k1roadster For real?
it's technically just one part of Incheon City, I'm pretty sure you've heard of that one? Incheon is where a big airport is (Incheon International Airport)
Because of it’s open nature, Songdo is a terrible city to walk around in, especially in wintertime. It’s cold, both figuratively and literally.
you know well about korea lol
🤣 how about your city? Is that really cool to walk in winter? Are you from Siberia ? You know siberia is really cool city to walk in winter hahahaha
@Steve Wolcott Bundang
@Steve Wolcott wuhan was pretty
I got so upset when they said the government officials demanded 8 lane roads. They could've achieved an integrated city where people enjoy walking. Instead its boring asphalt. Why even hire urban planners if you're going to act like you know better in the end
Automobile roads are very important in Korea. Big cities need big roads unconditionally. This is because too many people live in a small area.
When I was hearing that part, I automatically connected the reason for the demand to the defense purpose. Very high chance I'm wrong, though population density and defense would be the only reasons I can think of for such demand
Because big companies like Hyundai have too much power over the government.
the Dutch: finally a worthy opponent
Cities trading in the market? That's a new for one me!
I'm Korean and have been to Songdo several times. This so-called "smart" city is largely soulless and inconvenient and I would never live there. I myself live in one of the oldest and densest districts of Seoul (Dongdaemun) which is conveniently walkable with many narrow alleyways, nearby shops, and one-lane roads-- all connected to Seoul's vast subway and bus system. That is what a true smart city is, not some suburban-style planned city.
I love Dongdaemun area too.. Very convenient. I heard the government is trying to renew that area soon.. Is that true?
Yeah, it seems like a prestige project by the government more than an actual attempt to make a liveable city.
Maybe u are so familiar with narrow noisy dirty streets.
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Thank you to mention of Korean related issues =) It will be pleased if there are any things to be shared for the progress of mankind altogether. =) Additionally, I would like to appreciate to all nations where saved us from invasions against communism propaganda in 1950s. Soldiers from around the world sowed their blood, sweat, and endeavor in this land, and these led Korea to a revival to protection of democracy. Korea is eager to contribute to the world to repay their sacrifices. =) Thank you world citizens who supported Korea so far. =)
You can repay us by training our League of Legends players so that NA can beat the LCK sometime in the coming decade hahaha
This is beautiful bloomberg. Thank you very much!
that is so amazing
I used to live in westcoast reclaimed city named 'Oido', just across from Songdo. Btw, '-do' means 'island'.
If you are stopping by Korea, waiting to connect onto your next destinations in Asia, this place is worth a visit!
this video makes me wanna go back to college and actually pursue a degree in urban planning/architecture
Buildings can be modern and sustainable while also preserving traditional design. Bland box cities lack charms. Life is not monotonous, and so are cities.
- A civil engineer student
Ofcourse you are a student, way to naive to understand when planning to build buildings for cheap so that millions of people could live in it, you can't just 'introduce tradition'.
@@the_crypter Then the depression, unhappiness or insatisfaccion of the society living in those boring cities will be coming on in a future...with more other health problems developing probably. That also would have a big cost to their goverments...but they only think in the $ of the present, lool.
so beautiful! maybe they can add 3d billboard as bonus
At 2:55 this city is called Bahria Town Karachi ( it’s still called a town idk y but it is ). It’s being made by a private group in Pakistan, on the outskirts of the city of Karachi ( the worlds 5th largest city). The reason for the making of this city is because Karachi as a city is now super crowded and dense and the rich are getting tired of living in such a place, so they decided to make their own city with huge green lawns, pool and all kinds of unsustainable stuff in the middle of a desert.
Wow that's a massive project. 😯😯😯
Sand is precious material, Unassuming but so critical...
I'm one of citizen that city as you seen on youtube which is nice city to living
Even though my country is small, it would still take me years to explore fully.
Can't wait to play in the Battlefield 2042 map Kaleidoscope in Songdo, South Korea
The Netherlands who created an entire province out of the sea: 😉
And also actually succeeds at making cities that don't entirely revolve around cars and are not just a half hearted attempt that ends up with an 8 lane highway for cars
@Steve Wolcott Which is sinking lol
Dubai: Sinking Sand City
@@dustinm2717 Weird comment. Who hates cars and buses? Maybe cuz I live in LA i don't see a problem with it. Planned cities can take over a decade to bring everyone in.
@@aoh4905 Nobody hates car,I love car, I am a car person,
But,
I hate when I need to sit in traffic for 2 hour just to get home
I hate when I am forced to drive 8 Hour straight because their is no other mode Of transportation
I hate when I need to take a car just to get a bottle of milk from grocery store
I hate when my kids need to depend on me or someone else just to visit their friend or even go to School
I hate when you are like locked in home if you don't have a car
I hate when disabled people can't even go out because of car centric city desing
I hate when you have no other option but car to get around
From vietnam with love
Dang. Some of those 8 lanes roads aren't warranted for the level of traffic they receive.
Silly government doesn't trust the professionals who don't want those huge roads.
Remember they said the city construction isn't finished? When finished with more residents there will be more traffic.
I saw for the first time that foreign media reported positively about Korea
"Grand opening," not "grand open," is the correct expression. Yes, I am commenting on half a second of this video, but I live and work in South Korea.
I am from Brasília and Songdo, have loads of characteristics from there. but it worked
never knew any of this even while living in seoul. great stuff, bloomberg
Who spotted the BAHRIA TOWN Karachi in this video?? Liked who see it
The massive roads are very U.S.-like. That comes along with noise, air pollution and makes the city less livable. If they scrapped the idea of massive 10-line roads, instead build a public transport (metro, bus) and increased lvl of bike lines (Like in Amsterdam) it would be really nice. As it stands though, I would not want to live there.
Munich is a extremely walkable city with major roads - Leopold str.
Used to live there. Too expensive for the way i choose to live.
9:50 - he actually mentioned your improvements.
( you are correct)
go.. go.. go.... make asia great again
What an incredible city
India ko kuch aise hi sochna hai jo bahut jaruri hai
Wife and I got married there! She was born there. We LOVE Songdo/incheon. Absolutely amazing place. We like it better than Seoul. Imagine being in Manhattan. But without all the crowds. But just enough to not feel alone. At night you can walk around and see towering lights and insane architecture… but have a cafe all to yourself on the 40th floor of a sky rise ….
In addition to my previous comment, we humans tend to cluster in small groups, villages, even in severely deprived economic areas, has it to do with feeling safe by huddling? Animals of many types huddle together it must have a sense of safety regardless of standing in the world!
Been here many times. Korea gets reallly cold in the winter, they should have built some unground walkways between places.
This got recommended after Sri Lanka port city is reported to be opening in 2 months
South Korea is awesome and our brothers. Anio haseo
Once China reopens coal-fired plants due to Australia's resumption of coal export, Songdo will be affected the most in terms of fine dust and air pollution because the City is located in the very west side of the peninsula.
Then, in 2042 Songdo becomes Battlefield.
Songdo was indeed bright.
3:00 omg thats Bahria town Karachi pog
There is a bicycle park under the Songdo International Bridge. We need to change the silly design. The design that should be installed downhill is applied to flat land. A few years ago, I informed the government office of the situation, but the person in charge did not understand at all.
Food for thought
this is also the map called Kladeoscope from Battlefield 2042
i think its BSD (Bumi Serpong Damai) City Indonesia, not BCD City. Great content by the way.
I can imagine work from players in City Skylines like this. City building simulators could also shock city building techniques. :D
I'm already planning to settle in Songdo
How and what job did u get?
Thing is, there's many issues. It's basically run by Samsung, it's even called Samsung city 2 sometimes. Also transportation has some things to be desired such as better subway. But it isn't too bad.
Also the traffic lights and cameras here are garbage. You drive past 2 lights then get hit by a red.
2:53, it's Bahria Town Karachi, a new city in Pakistan built by a private real estate giant
Pretty much like when I play cities skylines.
I've been in Songdo. I didn't like the design as much, because there is so much space between the buildings, you always need to walk a lot, even in a space where there should be many shops. I would prefer id they did clusters of buildings with shops on the ground level and parks on one side of the block. Idk, it wasn't that walkable as they presented it in the video.
Because so far only 60% at capacity. They still have room to grow.
That's the exact type of city where there're a lot of green space and walkable sites. Unlike Hong Kong or other dense cities of China, Songdo area is more green and a lot of space to walk with your family !
this is become the interesting thing for me to learn since I played city skyline
5:48
They literally hired a city planner from NY just so they can get a copy of the NY city plans.
Money well spent.
I agree
thank you for the post about songdo in korea. there are several more brand new cities like songdo in Korea. would you mind reviewing sejong govermental and political capital city ?
I live in Korea's original "planned city". Changwon is a beautiful city and very easy to live in. I love it.
@@johnholst well. koreansare flattered. appreciate the compliment but changwon is relatively very first city plannings in korea and is an industrial city with a full of manufacturing facilities. i love eveery city i visited in english spoken countries
@@TireSpare Changwon does have a large industrial presence. But the neat thing is that it's separate from the commercial and residential areas of the city. It was planned that way. I've lived here for about 20 years. My favorite city in Korea.
@@johnholst sorry for my misspelling with not adding do and does in every verb tense ! hope you do get them not wrong way ! never did mean to be stubborn !
@@TireSpare Don't worry! I'm a professor here. I deal with all level of students. :)
Netherlands: what else is new……
Before this, there's Singapore, before Singapore, there's the Netherlands
In the Expanse sea level rises 38 meters. Wouldn´t it be wise to build high?
no money bruh
How cool, making a city that keeps out the poor and homeless, WoW
I see a lot of EMPTINESS Russia, China, North Korea all have huge "parade grounds" and boulevards, all with no people I was reminded of this during the whole video. Why travel to other countries and cities if, they are all going to mimic other cities, doesn't make sense to me!
Cities are places for people to work, live, and fulfills their basic needs. I hope that those cities listed on the stock exchange are still regulated by governments to ensure that the residents of the cities are not risking their lives living there due to the volatility of the stock market.
It looks cool but I can tell that is not walkable at all. tram and metro can help to make a city more walkable, easy access to bycicles too. electric scooters are more convenient than cars in my opinion (I know Korea is a cold country). For entertainment, night life is also important with public spaces for people to hangout.
So they didn't succeed to make a futuristic city? wouldn't one think that collective transport is a thing of modern and future society?
Modern in Korea is Sports cars and/or futuristic cars. Not collective transport.
they have a subway system and a BRT system (and great cycle and pedestrian infrastructure too), anti-car crowd is just salty because they made the city drive-able too
@@DjChronokun If you've been to SK, Songdo is just...Seouless (Pardon the pun, but it really is, when compared to other Korean cities)
@@tonysoviet3692 you're right. and by "smart-city", Seoul and other Korean cities are just as smart and even more high-tech than this planned city.
"wouldn't one think that collective transport is a thing of modern and future society?"
No. Why?
I think they should build the train system together with the city
Won’t that be underwater in a few years, Bloomberg really gotta talk about how cities like this will deal rising sea levels
Not really. Most of the heat that would be melting the ice caps, will actually be absorbed by the liquid water first. Winter is simply too cold for that to happen, and the oceans too large.
@@grantmccoy6739 the ice caps are definitely melting tho
@@blahbleh5671 I think they melt and then refreeze. Is that even new though? During summer it gets 24 hours if light. How did it ever not melt in the first place? I'm pretty sure it's overblown, because the information is so new
@@grantmccoy6739 yes, some of it melts in summer and then freezes again in winter, that is normal, the verifiable evidence suggests that more is melting in summer and less of it is re-freezing in winter, as the temperature rises.
@@blahbleh5671 I'm just skeptical that they would be able to verify that for certain. The data is limited, and climate change, if you believe the narrative, can result in colder winters. It sounds like a wash to me, like it's not really going to be unbalanced.
0:22 SONGDO
Small country therefore more developed no doubt 100 percent
12:03 Correction not BCD City, but BSD City, Indonesia :)
Burj Khalifa was also built by Samsung C&T😉
Wow there is my home.
Just a city? *Laughs in Dutch*
Sorry I don't get the joke. Someone please explain
@@aperture0 the netherlands has built a lot more than a city out of water, drained huge lakes to make land, made a 2.412 km² kind of island out of sea, they had to make it a huge lake first etc
@@kaasfluf holy sh!t I didn't know about that. Thanks!
Edit- added a word.
Just a country? Laughs in Elon Musk
Amazing