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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ค. 2024
- This is the overall ranking for melee DPS come Cataclysm Classic. This is obviously not set in stone, as rankings will fluctuate up and down based on the phase, and as Cataclysm isn't as tried and tested as other expansions, we may see new tech making certain classes stronger this time around.
If you want to check out the other rankings, you can do so here:
Tank: • Ranking WOW Cataclysm ...
Healer: • Ranking WOW Cataclysm ...
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:40 Frost DK
02:10 Unholy DK
03:51 Ret Paladin
05:28 Arms Warrior
06:49 Fury Warrior
07:49 Enh Shaman
08:56 Feral Druid
10:21 Rogue
12:24 Conclusion - เกม
The gameplay focused commentary whilst reviewing each spec's place in the xpac is genuinely impressive and succinct. Awesome video, seriously helpful.
most of these videos are just repeating common misconceptions not really deep look and experience
Very nice video I love the background music.
Thanks for the vid! Def agree with the rankings. I feel a bit bad for Frost DK. I love its playstyle, but when UH exists (of which I'm not a fan of the snapshot + pet playstyle), it kinda kills it a bit for me. Here's hoping we find some tech for it.
I don't think you should feel bad playing it. Super solid dps and during p1 frost should out dps unholy on quite a few fights.
The frost DKs have been playing around with the APL in sims and are getting similar single-target dps as UH with the masterfrost variation.
"I think the internet is being a bit harsh on the fury warrior" - proceeds to put fury on the lowest tier, below every other class
My friend was the top warrior on logs in the US during dragon soul and he played fury. But everyone is right about it starting way lower than arms.
All the private servers I've played in have had Fury topping in DS. Don't know if because of balancing or because it is as such. Still, I have faith in Blizzard pumping Fury to the sky
@@ak-1271 if I recall it was just because of the weapon from deathwing but my memory is foggy 😂
I played Fury throughout Cata, and I was at or near the top of the meters for FL and DS, and even in T11 I was still fairly high, and I raided in a Heroic-clearing guild. Fury requires careful management of the CS window, but if you know how to play it well you can absolutely pump, especially in T13.
Hey...no F tier at least :D
You forgot that during firelands, there was a spell power caster axe that was best in slot for enhancement shamans that would hard cast some spells along with their enhancement abilities for sick deepz
Lust does stack with unholy frenzy, the reason people don’t think it does comes from the fact that on pservers and OG cata gargoyles was gcd capped (like it will be now) but it does stack for a Uber buffed DT or fast rune regen
What a great video! Gained a new sub
Thank you, friend
Well made vid, subbed
100% agree with all. Btw plz don’t make us wait this long for the caster tier list
Let me rest man! Haha, no worries bud-- I'm on it. Few more videos coming out before the caster version, but will be out soon enough.
@@Riyaniwow i would recommend not resting. The algorithm is popping off for you rn I think. In just a few months time your shit might be comparitvely dead, you never know. Get to grinding if you wanna blow up.
Speaking of ranged frost mage is best mage in pre raid bis
@@joshua_lee732 no shot. Whered you hear that? I mean maybe you're right but I just highly doubt it. Frost is a pvp spec by design, they don't even try to balance it for pve. And fire mage, while weakest in early cata, is probably the overall strongest caster of the whole xpac and possibly the strongest dps of the whole xpac. However fire does depend heavily on scaling so I guess I can see how maybe frost in pre raid bis would be best and then quickly outdone by fire once you get any sort of raid gear
I main an enhancement shaman and I just have so much fun on it and I tried the arms warrior and was breaking out so much more dmg but it just wasn’t fun. Thankfully my guild told me I can main my enhancement, it’s no worries :)
Song name?
10/10 video editing. Well paced, slow enough to understand, quick enough to get through it, good references to previous playstyles.
Kul Tiras Sky Night 6 from the BFA expansion
Thanks for the feedback! Appreciate it a lot ❤
Was looking for this as well, thank you for asking, love the music!
Warrior in 0:20 is a gamer but warrior zerker stance was a bit buggy :D Thanks for the feat haha
Mora is a pumper!
Great video, i cry as a fury warrior main. Time to spec arms i guess. I was still a young person back in original Cata so i don't remember how good the different specs were.
I miss being an innocent noob.
If you enjoy fury more than arms, I’d give it a go in Dragon Soul for sure
@@Riyaniwow its an option ofc. However i am a heroic raider and also skilled enough to test it out myself and be realistic about it. If arms pulls ahead by too much i will swap to keep my raid spot.
Arms is mad fun AND really strong in cata, you wont miss fury
According to private server data from twinstar. Unholy topped out at 57k and frost topped out at 49k as arms was 62k and the rest of the melee were all below these 3. However ranged did very well. The top dps spec was an ele shammy with 170k
what about the honor among thiefs 5% crit buff? 10:33
As being a (rogue) progress raider back then I really think that combat rogue should be S tier in later patches, especially in dragon soul with legendary daggers. Blade flurry was insanely good.
How does Unholy DK scale compared to WotLK? Will its performance go down further into the expansion?
Unholy remains stronger than frost the entire expansion even into dragon soul last phase raid. Frost pulls ahead on the death wing fight only as the fight has buffs that serves it better
ok i feel like you started this video by saying that only raw damage would be considered since raid buffs would be easily covered, but it also seemed like that was a major thing you mentioned right before ranking most of them.
lol which zone song is this ?
Please make an arena 3v3 comp tierlist
“Some are more equal than others”
I wonder how many people know of that cartoon and what it means 😁 refreshing to see it mentioned.
Good ol’ Animal Farm
In what world is Blood Frenzy's DK equivalent Brittle Bones brought by a Blood Death Knight tank? What?
What weak auras were those at the beginning of the video?😊
Look up QuaziiWoW's Cata UI video. Everything you see is on his website.
@@dyyylllaannn thank you mate, appreciate the info
Enhancement Shaman in B tier is crazy.
and Furry Warrior D too
Yeah, enh shammy is never top tier, but it's still my favorite. It's just the most fun for me
@@SkysXFile exactly. Same here.
what tier would you put it in?
I gonna first main my DK, as blood tank and second spec unholy :D
You’ll be having a good expansion!
these classics are perfect for priv players for checking tier lists
Seems pretty solid aside from FDK being in A tier
Will you be doing a caster dps ranking too? 👍
Yes, sir! But may be a week or two.
@@Riyaniwow before pre patch next week! 😀
Good or bad. I'm really enjoying frost DK
People forget warriors are gods in PvP phase. Reck 5 min cd and smash(-100% armor) gonna 1shot people
The damage gap shouldn't be as bad as it has been in the past. There will be best choices, but a good player can make the worst class look good still - and a bad player will still be bad even with the most broken option.
Well, most of the classes now have a few things that they need to be aware of, and if ur not doing so, ur dps will decrease, but theres still a gap between a mid skilled "god" class and a pro using a "bad" class, not to mention if they were both "pro", the god class would DESTROY the other one
3:20 Are we certain this is the case in classic? Wowhead comments and recent world first race raids suggest they do stack. Or at the very least gargoyle benefits from both. Can't find specific data on the haste required to hit the gcd cap on gargoyle, but if people use unholy frenzy with bloodlust, it shouldn't be something to really worry over in t11 before the stats get too high. Also is it worth macroing gnaw to dark transformation to use only when the ghoul is transformed? It's basically single target claw with 30 energy instead of 40 with a built in stun. Not seeing anyone on logs do this.
hey bro loved your video, any chance you can do this including all the races? for example unholy dk and cat much better on horde but ret better on ally etc. and a phase by phase tier list if possible 😅😅😅
Background music?:D
Kul Tiras Sky Night 6 from the BFA expansion
Gonna throw this out there as someone who has done many many cataclysm private servers, This list is fine and all, but a good player can pull numbers to succeed in everything. The only real exception is prot warrior. it's really really bad in t11 so if you play prot warrior, don't expect to tank HC nef or anything like that.. As for dps numbers, I've seen good players pull 25-30k as every spec in raids throughout my time. Some fights are better than others, but honestly outside of pvp specific specs (lookin at you sub rogue), anything you want to play can succeed in raids and pull their weight easily if you know your class well.
The amount of times I've had people trash talk me playing combat rogue in t11, telling me to go assassination, then proceed to put out 26k single target while assassin rogues are doing 20k is a little insane at this point.
TL:DR - in 99% of cases play what you want and you'll do fine, just learn your class with their new stat prios and rotations.
Same goes for the enhancement shaman?
@@triantulas seen an enhance consistently top 3 in hc raids.
I just hit 85 and I’m steady 16-20K plus dps on my feral, think B is pretty low
I would change ass rogue to S, combat to A and feral to A. Rest is perfect, long private servers player here. Ass rogue simply does a lot of dps in cata because almost all bosses can be backstabbed and its easy to play. Feral same story but a bit less dps, with best opener after demo warlock.
frost with duals? LOl nab?
ret alive
Blood in the Water does NOT refresh the original snapshot. It effectively casts a new 5cp Rip. You’ll need to correct this.
is Blood DPS not a viable spec for DK's anymore?
No tanking only
No, Blood is relegated to tanking only in Cata and on. However, Blood is so busted strong in 4.3.4 it’s fine lol.
Sadge, I've been playing Blood DPS in WotLK and it's been very fun. Guess I'll move back to Frost. May even try out Unholy again too.
@@ikasas12 You can give 2h Frost a go to get a similar playstyle. Unholy is also way more fleshed out and enjoyable in its Cata iteration as well.
Dont play enhancement the sering flame mechanic sucks and was a big reason a lot of shamans went elemental enhance was good when it got elemental blast in mop but for cata play elemental.
lightning bolt on the move is so much fun.
FURY WARRIOR ZUG ZUG
Rip isnt snapshotting in beta atm, bleeds wont even crit
yea its bugged
What about balance Druid?
I have a ranged ranking video out ☺️
Oh man oh man, every single tier list I have seen has gotten rogues completely wrong....
In terms of raw DPS and output for the first couple of phases Assa is S tier and in Dragon soul Single target dps Sub rogue is the most dominant spec there is, Sub rogue for about 4 of DS Bosses is number 1 DPS and combat rogue takes the spot for the other 4.
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The above is rogue DPS without legendary daggers, I mained sub rogue myself in a raiding guild that had 8/8 HC on farm and had leggo daggers etc, can safely say that I was top dps almost every fight, occasionally our Surv hunter might be 1st with myself as 2nd.
You can watch literally any raid from Paragon whether Al'akir, Firelands or Dragon soul and you can clearly see rogues are top 3 dps without fail in almost every video.
Granted the rogue was mainly played by arguably one of the best PVE rogue players back then but with addons that we have now and sims etc, most rogues will be able to perform their rotations optimally enough to be top dps.
Everybody sleeping on Rogues and I just don't understand why or where their cata knowledge is coming from.
Arms warrior it is.
A good pick for sure!
Sub rogue is not c tier lol. phase 11 they are simming 5k higher than arms warrior.
I'm predicting feral to be a lot better in Cata than people think PVE wise.
I am hoping for that too my friend, with the removal of the faerie fire glyph that we got in wrath we will see how we do. Maybe they do a change like that again in cata we will only see lol
@@Sean-hd5sp This glyph is still here in Cata Classic. Didn't work on first beta days but they patched it. Works pefectly now on beta ;)
@@haptreefriend well I hope they remove it because the glyph is way too busted. if they want to buff feral, they should try to get a little more creative than to slap a glyph on them that increased their dmg (in Wrath) by roughly 15%. I dont think ppl who want the glyph to stay, have any clue whatsoever how this will scale into cata.
I have only played feral in classic and im gonna be honest i dont think it should be in cata not because it will be too strong but because the rotation in cata is already pretty fun and having to change it to spam faerie fire every 6 seconds would make it not as fun in my opinion
@@franky1882 Feral is by far the hardest spec/class to play perfectly. If feral shine in cata classic like WotLK classic it's all good ;)
caster list asap
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I have to disagree about Enhance, they are extremely explosive along with bringing a wide variety of utility. A big part of Cata is running heroic dungeons, the ZG/ZA tier needs that fast burst.
I think the Classic community of Enhancement players will surprise you when you see them properly geared with a skilled player.
Hey Siri, show me copium
@@MeganArthur-kr6tj Nah, I fully understand the problems with Enhance and why Ele is more popular but when the pool of players playing a spec is smaller, you don’t often see its full potential.
Arms warrior is nice late game. This is poopoo most of the time. :(
surv?
Coming in the ranged vid
@@Riyaniwow oh, he’s not a mele yet, mb
Fury wont become good in DS , they were overnerfed in original 4.3 and are only usefull of Spine of DW where you need CDs or if you wona do logs in middle
Yall talking bad for fury warriors until you get hit for 70k raging blow.
Tier lists pre sims is kinda pointless, private servers and even original Cata data don’t mean much when we are staring on the final build for all classes and no one played that in T 11 or 12. For all we know blizzard buff or nerf specs. Honestly would be a huge fan of seeing the lesser played specs getting some buffs to close the gap with the S tier.
Nah not pointless at all. Look at the wrath tier lists. Aff at the top all xpac (true). Feral and war huge in icc (true)
The best specs on private servers are going to be the best specs in Classic. Private servers start on the same end patch.
@@brandonkruse6412 not true either. Unh dk wasn't the best on p servers iirc
@@mcbaggins12 Depends on the gear and player. The scripting isn’t really any different for classes on Apollo and Whitemane with small bugs that have mostly been fixed.
I’ve played UH on pservers and it’s solid
@@brandonkruse6412 idk how much of it was scripting diff or classic players are just better than pserver players but there were never any pserver 16 udk stacks to my knowledge. Unholy only became the number 1 best spec in classic. On pserver, aff was number 1 (except icc)
Ret paladins are S tiers and it's not even close. They're extremely hard to play and master but if you play it really, really well, oh boy.
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Yet to see anything that suggests Ret is hard to master tbh
Ret hard to play lol
Nah I disagree, ret is good and A tier is a solid place for them. They aren't that hard either, just need a bit of luck with RNG
sub rogue should be much higher on your list
Rogue in general tbh. Feel like people sleep on it.
@@cruxe2372every single list has rogue lower than it should be. They all just parrot the same info. But rogues will be topping everyone.
For specific fights, absolutely. But for the overall expansion I think it's accurate. I may be wrong, though! Will be fun to see how the meta plays out.
It doesn't become viable until DS tho, so it's really not a great pick until late into cata.
sub rogue dps is dependant on the player. very skill dependant. otherwise sub is PVP spec
only dk main puts frost on a same level as ret xd u lost me bruh with this hard copin
Sims are looking promising- about 1k behind UH on ST with the right APL and gearing. But who knows, may be straight copium 🤷♂️
Bullshit 😂
Druid n rogue B tiers lol. Go delete
Where the fuck is Ele Shaman?
Do you melee a lot on your ele shammy? 😅 ranged video coming next week.
not putting all 3 rogue specs in S is crazzzzzzzzy bro this video is cooked