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- A gang of surfers called the Wolfpak police the break at Oahu's famous Banzai Pipeline on the North Shore of Hawaii.
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I live in the mountains. I do not push people off cliffs on crowded hikes. I hike some trails over 3 times a week. Also, I do not throw fits over crowded ski hills/ parks. Same concept, only limited amount of time/ space to score good runs. Truth is: this violence is unwarranted.
I know a guy who lives in Bend, Oregon. He told me that Jerry Lopez, one of the greatest Hawaiian surfers ever, and a Pipeline legend, moved to Bend because he didn't want his kids growing up in Hawaii. What's that tell ya?
thats pretty crazy because he lives in colorado today I believe
@@Jay-fq8uz No, he's still in Bend, Oregon
@@richm7873 oh wow duh
lol my grandparents live there and when we visit and surf the river wave he’s there sometimes
bro i live in hawaii and man you know alot of people in the lineup that have stories of D Hui. Drugs, chasing people away and more kine
kala is nothing but a thug. he bashed up my friend for trying to get out of someone's way in the surf. he thinks someone looking at him is disrespectful, a classic symptom of drug induced paranoia. the worst part is he thinks his victims are the 'bad guys'
i feel you and yes he does condone violence. growing up in nanakuli as a white kid i got bullied a lot when I was young and in the water i got stink eye wherever I went from locals like him. Always have respect for locals but Kala is lying if he says he will respect all tourists or other people no matter what. thats just not true all the time for him
Meth ragers
will dennis brake
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom Someone says something you dont like so you hit them in retaliation? punching someones face in IS VIOLENT. Anyone can turn an unintended offense into excuse for violent retaliation. Why dont they just post signs or information on what is disrespectful ?? That way it should avoid the violence.
I would love to party 5 minutes with him , would put him to sleep very slowly
exactly why I'll stay clear of hawaii, board shorts and barrels mean nothing if the vibe is bad
yeah comedown under we will take the rubber of your wheels
I know right. I think just try other places plenty of other places to surf. I surf in va beach and obx. Even though the waves arent the best the vibe here makes up for it. Every1 is nice . Also these are beautiful places. So i always thought that too. I always think thats my #1 priority.
a.m. remorse the locals cant handle being dominated lol its cuz they are all kooks and dont know what a real pack hustle feels like they get mad when you dont comply with there lame ways of respect most of those guys regulating are blow ins anyway
your not going to get my wave for being local i will take it to the beach anywhere
Adam b its this attitude ^^^ that causes the problem. thinking you better than others and paddling/pressing further into peak to prove your worth is causing aggression. try sharing the space, wait your turn and enjoy the ocean or enter the competitions to prove your position in the world of surfing. and take your rubbish and effluent away from the beach also.
BTW, if any of you surfers are tired of that crap they're giving you in HI, you could drop down to nearby Rincon, PR. The waves aren't as big there but the locals are nice, hotels and restaurants reasonable, the girls are friendly, the water is warm, and the beer is cold!
Sad watching this video and seeing grown men still dealing with little boy issues.
Well, they are half mongrels.
Rothman is not even Hawaiian. He's a Jewish guy from the Midwest. Nothing wrong with that but he has no right to talk about non Hawaiians surfing in Hawaii when he's not Hawaiian. That being said when surfing in a different place a little respect goes a long way. Common sense issue.
+Stephen Erangey #EddieRothman is NOT one to speak for native Hawai'ians. He really isn't. Many are much more peace-loving than that dude is.
Yep you are right Leiani. Mutual respect is a two way street. Being humble & open minded is good when we travel. What's unfortunate is some people bumble through life with a major chip on their shoulders. I'm Irish & some of the biggest A-Holes I know happen to be Irish. @ the end of the day we are all human. Much to be learned from all cultures.
+Stephen Erangey Being that you are Irish, this is a very brave thing for you to admit! GLAD we agree. You are correct, Sir.
I'm not perfect just a student of life. Have a nice weekend :)
+Stephen Erangey No one is (perfect)!
As a lifelong surfer from the age of eight (next year I'll be 70), I have to say the idea of surfers being somehow enlightened falls apart as soon as it gets crowded. Whether you are a local or a visitor it makes things better when you bring your good manners and, yes respect with you. There's a world full of numbskulls like Kala. But there's also a bunch of beautiful folks out there spreading good vibes if you choose to see them.
Kala Alexander IS a THUG! He lies when he says he gave up violence. He never will. Beating people up and sucker-punching folks is what that guy is MADE OF.
As a local don’t come to our spots haole
shaddap u fkn haole
Shoddy reporting, NYT. I'm a Hawaii resident, a journalist, a surfer, and a one-time New Yorker. Kala Alexander is a thug in the worst sense of that word. Giving him an uncontested point-of-view in this piece only serves as a PR opp for a guy trying to remake his image later in life. Do some real digging. Find the 'blond' surfer who got assaulted on the beach. Kelly Slater isn't going to provide you any depth on this topic; he benefits from the careful kowtow to da hui on this one.
Respect is a two-way street. The concept of "respect" in misused by some locals in the same manner that inner-city gang members misuse it. The truth is, many "locals" show very little respect for anyone other than their own bros. Their reference to "give respect, get respect" is hollow and is lacks any credibility based on their own behavior. Apologies to the few locals who can understand what mutual respect actually means.
What about "respeck"?
I ran across a lot of these guys when I lived on the North Shore back in 2005-8. They were always very friendly to me. I've never had a problem in the water except in two places...Charleston, SC by an idiot who thought he was much better than he actually was, and Monterey, CA by a spoiled rich guy who never grew up. These people mostly just ask that you acknowledge that they live there. It's not unreasonable, and they're super cool if you're super cool. The video is just media hype. I'm sure Kala agreed to do it because he needed money or something. I ran across the guy and had a really favorable impression. He's also a much more humble guy now that he's older.
LCA Don´t blame it on the locals. Most tourists have no respect, they take their city attitude to small communities and think they´re owed something, and then they complain if someone puts them in place. I agree with Da hui.
couldn't have said it any better
+Aloha
The guy just cracked the hoale for paddling out in a contest. no dropped in.
I have grown up surfing NS. Im Hapa. I moved over to Ehukai cause Pipe is now Private.
In the 80s everyone knew what Da Hui and "Fast Eddie" Rothman was about. it wasn't about making surfing in the NS fair. That's a joke.
Kala: i never did condone violence
Proceeds to condone violence
Laws for thee and not for me attitude
Born and raised in Hawaii, Hawaiian dad and Haole mom, grew up surfing every day back in the 70s-80s. The racism is real. I felt it as a hapa kid (mixed race), and my dark skinned dad always had to make sure other surfers knew I was his daughter. True Hawaiian culture is all about aloha but too many people take their resentment towards haoles /non-locals too far. Hawaiian culture says you cannot own the ocean...the waves belong to no one and therefore to everyone. So sad that this situation has not changed. This is not respect. Instead they create a bad impression of Native Hawaiians and they aren’t even necessarily Hawaiian...just “locals”. The North Shore was my home as a child and I hate to see it this way now.
But you got all people came from the mainland in the 1960s and 1980s calling it home with a gangster attitude bullying tourists and visiting surfers giving it a bad name then these 5th or 6th generation hawaiians are not doing anything about
17yr airline employee and been going for 25+ yrs and been around the world a few times, thank you for being honest and telling the truth. The Japanese get a lot of unwarranted flack and hate. The education system doesn’t really help the bigots and prejudice people because they don’t have any good logic to back it up. Warrior culture?!? Not arguing that it’s not a warrior culture I’m just asking what wars did they win?!? They have almost a 0/100 record. Literally and financially, they have not won anything. And the domestic violence, geesz.
Lots of racism in Hawaii unfortunately.
Lots of racism in the south, lots of racism in law enforcement. You sound stupid af
@@Calx91 I noticed you don't deny it.
He’s just saying that you stating their is racism in hawaii is equivalent to saying water is wet.
Lots of dumb visitors in Hawaii. Unfortunately.
Lots of racism all over the mainland too, unfortunately.
We put a lot of emphasis on respect so we might beat you up.... Lol
I love Rothman's fake Hawaiian bro accent.
To see Kala Alexander beat that guys face like that was despicable. The fact that he is not in Jail for that says a lot. He is obviously a student of Martial arts prob Brazilian Jiujitsu from the looks of it, and you should not have done that to a guy who is not trained unless it is self defense! after he took him down he repeatedly beat his face, for what? paddling out.Sick!
hope Kala Alexander meets his karma with a Tiger Shark
Kala Alexander - Native nig**r.
Exactly....I do Jou Jitsu to rule the beach? Hardly honour and respect.....
“I never did condone violence” - the guy who sat on top of a surfer (who was there for a contest) so he could have an upper hand while continuing to punch him in the face
There's a lot more going on than this with Da Hui. And it has nothing to do with surfing.
And beating down on a Hoale just for paddling out is Not Respect. It's prejudice.
I wouldn't doubt its prejudice, and he's not regulating, in one vid he was dropping elbows, he is looking to hurt you. Shame he isn't in jail
He's not even Hawaiian either. He's a plant and is honeypotting Hawaiian people into being violent and racist.
I tried to join the hui, unfortunately I am 8” over the maximum height of 5’6”!!!
As a slight blue eyed kid surfing Oahu I figured out what guys like Kala,Rothman, and locals in general consider fairness and respect. Their friends and family get all the waves along with any hot girl in a bikini. And don't complain about being dropped in on any good wave that comes your way.
J Silva sux being haole with all that white privilege, lol. The water is different from land eh, haha. Understand, don't just label things, cause it hardly ever is how you label them. Respect is earned not given.
You just said respect is earned, not given, yet trying to explain how you have to be disrespected by the locals, because you were born white. While claiming 'white privilege to "haole" , you admit they are, in fact, the least privileged in your islands. You have repeated your racist ideals so many times, that you dont even see the hypocrisy in this statement.
lmao what you on about
In that case this kala dude gets none
Grant A take your own advice, hypocritical dumbfuck.
I'm from Ireland and went to Hawaii for holidays. A local tried to fight me for no reason in the surf on Waikiki. Not a kid but a grown man. Embarrassing.
Fergal Downes good for you haole
If only they knew about the oppression the irish have faced.
everyone wants to be understood, but no one ever wants to listen to other people's stories.
Because they think just because the surf it all the time and live there, that they have rights to the waves
Junglehunter677. Exactly locals have earned they waves by going everyday for decades, then a haole like come and be aggressive on their first day. Show em some respect
But yeah beating people is wrong. I agree with thta
I grew up surfing North Shore in the 70's, and nothing has changed. Haole's are hated there as much now as back then. Has nothing to do with respect. Racism hidden as a need for respect. Sad but true...
Hilariously Eddie Rothman is from Pennsylvania
Philadelphia Jew like Netanyahu...
thug life
Thank you for your contribution, Adoph.
Are u serious? Wow! Talk about a hypocrite!! His boys can sho nuf surf though!
Rothman is biggest kook.
Being white and growing up on Oahu, I can tell you Hawaii was--and still is--one of the most anti-white racist places I have ever been to.
have you ever heard of Compton and Long Beach
Maybe because your ancestors took our land? No disrespect bro just the facts I have no hate for white people but seeing they way they act around the islands is totally disrespectful. Going to places they shouldn’t and getting hurt, disrespecting sacred land. If you can understand the Hawaiian culture a little better you can understand where I’m coming from. Hey again no disrespect bro just stating my opinion and I respect yours as well
Hillsendz 808 hey man your one of the nicest Hawaiians ever. I respect your opinion as well
@@hillsendz8083 So maybe you would have preferred the Japanese taking over.
sissy lou bruh I ain’t trying to start anything with you. The Japanese have nothing to do with this I am just stating the facts to what actually happened and our point of view. I respect you and your opinions just saying I ain’t trying to start anything
Lol what a joke of a human... "im just protecting... blah blah blah". You're beating up tourists on the beach... that's what that is. That's all that is. At least own it.
Can't expect a meth head to have accountability.
"I never did condone violence" - Kala Alexander...
LMFAO!!!
Went to The North Shore for the first time earlier this year. The vibe was friendly and mellow. I had a great time. My advice is to be friendly, patient and respectful in and out of the water, and the locals will respond in kind. It's the same anywhere you go as a visitor in the surfing world. Just don't expect to be on a set wave at Pipe. It's the most competitive lineup in the world. Those guys have paid their dues out there over many years and earned the right to be on the best waves. The thing is there's so many other world class spots there.
NO RESPECT for Kala.
James Ito shut up clown
Jus Bring big man over hear taking locals only to the next level
How is kala not in jail?
what they did to that blond kid should have gotten long, long prison time
He was in state prison for most of the 1990s for assault.
The company, hawaiin mafia owns the police.
Michael Col my dad was in the company :(
So glad to see all the charges for corruption this week.
kala Alexander came to piha new zealand walked the whole beach face down lol we all stood on the dunes watching him
adam bamf sure you did..
GreenBottlesOnly ah yeah we did the whole community came out for it
GreenBottlesOnly i have probably surfed longer than you have been alive lol
Ya im sure Kala did. Acts tough on his little Island that is nothing but a ghetto of drug attics and racism. Dont come to the main land acting tough. YOU WONT LAST LONG AT ALL.
@@joesoliz3057 true that oahu is meth central...
This was partly why I choose to avoid short board surfing and go down the long boarding / wave ski / bodyboarding route - the community is a lot more pleasant - especially with wave skis where every fellow wave skier seems happy to see you even if you not local - maybe cos we are hated by everyone else but oh well :)
Ego sucks. It's a wave. Surf it. Nobody is disrespecting anyone. It's tribalism. It's in your head just like it is on your average weekend in Chicago.
completely against the spirit of surfing. Alexander shouldnt call himself a surfer.
He's a freemason. Look at his hand tattoos. He's literally there to start problems amongst the people they refer to as vulgar and profane (everyone else), similar to this garbage "haole" hatred he's helped to propagate. Wonder where he learned that from?
I went to a local beach in Maui with a rented board, second time ever trying to surf, very few foreigners on the waves. I asked a local about how to proceed. Not only did she teach me about respect in the 'line up', but safety, the nature of the reef, when the best time to come to the particular beach when the tide was right and the waves were best, she also taught me how to surf. She spent about twenty minutes with me, and I caught my first wave as a result. Never knew her name. She was a local, and obviously wanted me to accept and join the culture of surfing. It was crowded and there were people who were unfortunately ignorant. I had to bail on a wave because a guy, not a local, because he seemingly apologized in some European Language to me, cut in and fell in front me. For the record, for whatever clarification, I have blond hair and blue eyes.
You should have beaten the guy and called him a Haole!
I lived Ohau for about 4 yrs went to college at U of H at Manoa. I had bleach blonde hair blue eyes, was constantly harassed in and out of the water. Dane Kealoha tried kicking me out at Pipe, because I paddled for a wave I knew he was not going to make the drop, he had no chance, but took he out on me. Was constantly threatened most times they did nothing because I was usually much bigger than them, but I knew that many had their big Samoan relatives on the beach near by, so I never threw a punch first. If you are white a especially with blonde hair the locals can be the biggest racist assholes
Plenty of other spots to surf on the north shore, - what's the point of going where confrontation is likely? Build respect. Cultures are what they are, respect. Too much too soon isn't welcome.
diver dave 70's/80's/90's were more cutthroat in the surf territorialism all around,… it's chilled a fair amount since then
There's a lot of reason behind our behavior towards foreigners. Some people go to, albeit, inefficient and immature ways to convey their beliefs but in any case, there is reason behind our actions. If you study the history of the takeover on the Hawaiian colonies, as well as the multitude of negative American impacts on the islands that we see, you might understand our viewpoint a little better and avoid an altercation or two as well.
Trey Lima enjoy the surfboard foam, fiberglass, resins,… plastics,… etc.
If what you're trying to say is that we should be appreciative of the products and trade the United States has brought to our islands, you hold a good point although it is somewhat unrelated to what I said, I still respect that, What I was trying to say is that we hold grudges for the negative changes the us brought to our island and the tactics the us used to take over the island. Personally if I had the choice, I'd rather the us keep its resins and whatnot to themselves and leave us alone because we were able to make our own surfboards in the ancient times so I'm sure we would be fine without them now, do you get what I'm trying to say?
Being ex military haloe stationed at Pearl Harbor, I used to surf the north shore and saw some of this. I was told to "get off the wave" or whatever a few times but never anything physical. Didn't stop me from surfing though. Those waves are too amazing to pass up.
I was a navy guy in the sixties who surfed Makaha most every weekend. The local boys from the area claimed beach and waves but after a few sessions they mellowed and actually became friendly, however my car was trashed and almost every time. Sea Spree and hippie girls, surfing the small contest around the island was a joy, maybe you won a Tee shirt or a plate lunch.
do white people call themselves haole? that's sad.
Your way or not condoning violence is to be violent? I think the Hawaiian sun has bleached out this guys logic. And besides one of the leaders of Da Hui wasn't even born in Hawaii. He is from Texas so go figure...
No, Rothman's a Jew from Philly. He is NOT from Texas.
Whatever, my point is that he is not a native hawaiian.
427SuperSnake1 Rothman rails against Haoles, but, he has forgotten that he IS one and always will be. Rothman seems to think with his fists first. Small wonder that Fred Hemmings has disparaged him.
those guys seem more like a gang of thugs to me...
427SuperSnake1 Doesn't matter he's a jew.
Respect is prison jargon for fear.The problem is drug addiction and surfing’s Peter Pan culture. Good luck solving the problem, it’s never going to happen.
That white guy Kala attacked was tired and winded after getting into a fight in the water. Real tough guy.
Joe Soliz shut up haole
That dude Kala looks like a skinny weed, if he try that in NZ he would get snapped in half over someone's knee
@@jusbring610 Bruddah Joe would stretch u..shaddap u dammeh
@@Laurikiwi hard aye come round to tha naki butha...or gizzy haha
@@jusbring610 Are you Kala? or maybe you're his boy friend? you get very defensive whenever someone talks about kala.
Eddie Rothman talking about other people coming from the "mainland" but he isn't even from Hawaii he is from the mainland and moved to Hawaii.
He's (kala) got that dead eye look of someone who's either done serious time in Jail, or way to much speed. Tweeker is practically stamped on his forehead.
You don’t know Kala. One of the nicest guys once you get to know him. He is no tweeker I can tell you that. You gotta watch the movie and you will understand Da hui. Aussies came and disrespected the locals. Not only in the magazines but in the water and the north shore. I’ve lived in Hawaii. You show respect to the locals. It’s their land.
@@socaljimmyd Kala is a clown who should be in jail. That video of him wailing on some kid half his size is all I needed to see.
It's not their land anymore. The USA took it the same way every conquering culture takes over land of another culture. There is not a plot of land in the world that hasn't been occupied by numerous different cultures over time. It's just how things go. What makes Hawaii special is that the native Hawaiians didn't assimilate into the new, larger culture. Instead of letting their kids absorb the new ways from non-natives at school and gradually transition over to a blended culture, they taught them to resent the new occupiers and not take part. As a result, resentment is rampant and they have an average life expectancy of 62 years.
These thugs stuck on their localism need to sit in prison for a while.
So what’s the take home message here: we’re suppose to ask for permission to ride a wave that no one owns?
Yes North shore is a deadly beach if you don't know what your doing,so you ask to go on the wave
Respect. Some don't understand the words they speak.
I’m not a local and don’t claim to know all the details of past fights, but Pipeline is a notoriously dangerous, sometimes deadly, wave. You go around pulling rookie moves or snaking someone and jeopardizing their safety, you probably deserve a few punches.
Nothing is more disrespectful than paddling out and picking a fight with someone
I do understand the problems and the anger. But you can't tell me it's about respect when you attack and beat people up.
It's called violence and racism.
wonder if Kala has surfed anywhere else in the world. wouldn't seem that way by the way he acts.
+Caroline Scanlan Sure he hasn't. Usually these kind of bullys,are only brave in their backyards.
aside from all the violence. Why would he? literally has some of the best surf all year round....
j808 don’t group us all together
He's the real KOOK
Meth driven rage - ya left that part out.
Yup, heard they are pretty weak over there when it comes to drugs.
ice ice baby
@Paulo Eclectik Besides "respecting" the locals with the crystal meth he sells them, Eddie Rothman also runs a protection racket on the North Shore by extorting a monthly protection "fee" from property owners.
It's called ice or Batu
John Jelks Ice, Ice Ba-by!
"We put alot on respect" paddles out during a surf comp and fights one of the competitors. SMH
It was a bodyboarding comp and the surfer wouldn't leave the lineup. He also disrespected the guys on the jetskis. Not condoning any violence but that dude deserved a beating
@@graememac376 ok that makes a little more sense, if thats true.
@@Juliano_DJOL yeh it was on an old bodyboarding video Hawaii vacation and the bodyboarder who paddled out and fought first was Kanoa McGee. The enforcers got him on the beach
@@Juliano_DJOL aka Kala
I'd rather surf junk waves and be in peace ...
These aren’t really surfers just future jailbirds.
It use to be 15 guys out was a crowd. Now there is 200 guys in the water. Nothing like taking off on a 20 foot wave and having some 14 year old drop in on you then paddle by you and say, stay off my waves!
Indonesian has over 17,000 islands. Cheaper and plenty waves. Specially outside of Bali. Hawaii is an overrated skizism of entitlement. Then people move to the mainland and say "aloha" and "mahalo". 👏
You can see that it has little to do with respect and everything to do with selfishness and wanting to have the waves to yourself.
Kala says he puts a lot of emphasis into respect when in reality he is just the "likes to fight" dude.
Aggression shows a lack of self control. Neither local nor non local owns the sea.
All those guys should remember the moment of the first wave caught. The good vibe, and the happiness of this simple moment. Surf supposed to be about that.
All respect in the world does not make me as happy as the sea does.
no one should claim to be the owner of the beaches
the locals turned aloha to ashola! its a public beach. play nice, take turns, yell, have fun. dont turn a passion into bs.
please do not defile the hawaiian language. thanks
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom cry me a river
awcmon just facts I guess bruh
dave lehi ever heard of freespeech numbnuts
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom does it feel like the us colonised by force Hawaii
I'm not a surfer, though I spent time in beautiful waters of Hawaii. I was severely disrespected by Hawaiians before I even had an opportunity to show proper respect to the natives. My experience is that the Islanders there are the most racist people as whole, that I've met in any of my travels. I have fantastic memories of the Hawaiian islands, but I will always be wary and distrustful of the Hawaiians, and folks that live there. My ancestors never ruined their way of life, nor did I - but they seem have deeply vengeful spirits and display it to folks who have never harmed them and do not intend to. My memories will always be tarnished by the petty meanness I saw every day in the people there.
' the Islanders there are the most racist people as whole, that I've met in any of my travels'
You obviously didn't experience Korea in the 1970s-1980s.
Just sounds like people being selfish about a good wave they live around. Respect would be just being nice to everyone and helping out each other, not beating them up because you got annoyed.
Pipeland has become a giant toilet
Rothman is a Hawaiian name? So his family was Hawaiian for hundreds of years
They’re in a surfer gang how fun - you know if these guys want to fight they should...in the octagon against real fighters not some random guy trying to enjoy his vacation surfing a little in Hawaii
As PT sez: respect begets respect. I was living on Maui in the late-60s when a group of Aussies arrived and they were loud, arrogant and disrespectful. They That's when I first heard them referred to as the "Texans of the South Pacific" and they moved on, or were moved on, fairly quickly.
What a difference they were to the Aussies I first met in SoCal in the early-60s. They were great guys ... guys like Midget Farrelly. Then surfing itself had become more aggressive by the late-60s. And by the time the Aussies were breaking down doors the whole surfing ethic had change, But I don't think behaving like thugs solves anything.
just because someone is loud does not mean they are being disrespectful.
the pack is a bunch of A holes. Its a public beach. take turns, yell, have fun, and get along instead of acting like low life A holes. The pack makes a lot of surfers look like fools. so does sloppy writing
One of these Hawaiian guys on vacation at my local beach in Florida came at us aggressively out of no where, talking about how he was from the islands and we were surfing too close to his family (which was no where near them), he wasn't even surfing and was trying to fight all of us. We should have pounded his attitude into the sand but instead we took the high road and let him know that he was the kook of the beach. Spread love man, the water is life for all of us.
trust me bro they act like they own life its self
Respect 👏
Surf is to live not to fight
Well put together video
This is all BULL. The Hawaiians are violent, protective and hostile toward the halowes (whites or non-native Hawaiians).
In the 1940's we lived in Hawaii, I can remember my older brother coming home from school, every day with either a split lip, broken nose, or black eye, with cuts and bruises!!! It was so bad because he got cornered and ganged up on every day in the the locker room! He quit school just a month before graduation and went to main land and joined the Navy!!! Myself , WHEN I got to college, was spit on, kicked off sidewalks, tripped, pushed and my books bushed out from underneath my arms! I was blond and blue eyed... shame on me!!! A Japanese boy had been observing, and offered to walk me to and from classes. After he started walking me to class, no more trouble! He was built like a sumo wrestler! I quit school in Hawaii eventually and came to the mainland to finish my collage education!!!
It’s sad that they represent their own nationalities like that. Disgusting and their horrid acts just make people racist and fear them.
After watching this the first thing I thought is the demand of respect in Hawaii is exactly how it is in prison.
Or so it appears.
Once I went there after about three times during the winter and it was 20 foot for 9 days! Finally I surf sunset Beach! It was really rapping like a Northwest! I got over the shorebreak into a nice rip that pulled me right out into the greatest wave of ever seen! And then a 30-foot set popped up! It was perfect! Offshore warm! I took off dropped in on my bonzer! Thanks Mike Eaton! Giant peak! Lots of coral reef though! The greatest way if I ever caught in my life! Mahalo!
great story, thanks for posting
Way to rationalize violence.
I lived on Oahu for 5 years, surfed the entire island. The only way to really surf the more popular breaks was with local friends. Haole was never used in kind...it was always derogatory and used to demean. Certain breaks were local only unless you went with a local friend. If not, you could expect some trouble. Didn't matter how deep you were on the wave...a lot of locals would drop in on you. A couple of times at Makaha the locals wanted to go to the beach to "beef" aka fight. I had many local friends I loved to surf with. Unfortunately, there were some looking to fight! Crazy part, surfed the other islands and didn't experience anywhere near the animosity as on Oahu. I love Hawaii and the people, but there is troubling side that still exists.
Ed Rothman is FROM THE MAINLAND. The irony.
excellent point!
Sounds like the "Wolfpack" is a little jealous of surfers who are better than them.
That's not it at all. Lol. Don't be dumb
The wolfpack is a reference to their loyalty to lucifer. The guys who started Da Club were masonic Jews from Philadelphia. Now, they have tricked Hawaiians even into giving them entitlement.
Lol, these guys calling other people aggressive, sure buddy.
I visited Honolulu back in 2011 and I remember standing In line at a Subway ready to pay for my $5 foot long however when I got to the register to pay the sandwich maker said,”oh that’s for locals only.” The $5 foot long sign right in front of my face and outside on the subway sign did not say “for locals only.” There was a lot of other instances just like this so just an fyi before you plan on booking a trip that way. You’d have more fun visiting Mexico or the Caribbean’s where they treat decent people with some “respect” and kindness rather than waisting your money in Hawaii. FYI I don’t even surf nor went to see anyone surf. But If you do go visit Hawaii visit Pearl Harbor. Mad respect.
Pearl Harbor happened because our government wanted to go to war. You have been fed lies.
I've been physically remove from the water while trying to learn. I "Don't belong in the water, (because) we know your people can't swim. We don't have time to babysit you."
Be better when you're out there.
Wonder what the rules regarding deadly force are in Hawaii. If Kala tries that on the wrong beach in Florida his blood might paint the sand
I don't think he can afford the flight to be honest...
3:49, the guy trains jiu jitsu obviously... IMO it's wrong for someone that trains to GnP a guy that's no threat, he was not even in the water, it's not his fight. You have to wonder is it really about respect or is it about looking for an excuse to beat someone down?
Look like a bunch of bully's in my eyes,the blonde dude on the beach didn't want no trouble,he'd already been bashed,kala was playing for the crowd,Hawaii would be a 3rd world country if not for the tourist trade.
How do you identify non-local, but "genuine people"?
Dicyanin a, I believe it was
let's surf and beat up people. cool story hanzel.
I surfed a lot in late 70',80'90' and early 2000 and never had issues with locals when I traveled away from my home break, heard story's of Hawaii and had no desire to spend the time and money for that crap.
CA surfers defend their spots with the same aggression. These same surfers then travel to the islands and think they can just paddle out anywhere and drop in. Lived and surfed Diego for 7 years, I know this.
+John Schleusener pretty true. Locals in La Jolla and the OB jetty can get pretty territorial. Even when you're not out there cutting them off. I've been snaked more at the jetty on a shitty day than great days at Trestles.
GreatFratsby by the way trestles is basically in SD.
@@apollo9633 no its about an hour drive to SD
@@slide04 i never been there but i heard it can get pretty packed. And i mean in SD COUNTY not downtown
this "wolf pak " is out of order
Thank you for your reply to my question.I promise,as long as I live here,to always remember that I am a guest here and to act accordingly. Sincerely,Cameron.
Many people from the mainland, like myself, chased their dream to live on the North Shore. Every single person who moved there learned about the locals. I am not insulting them when I say they are uneducated and violent; I am stating fact. The locals want to believe if it were not for the USA, they would have a perfect kingdom. The reality is that if it were not for the USA, every single one of them would be slaves to the Japanese. The locals are racist, especially against white men, and they are uneducated, which makes them unable to see the world as it exists. They want everyone to buy into some delusion that they own the ocean and have some inherited right to rule over The Pipe. The idea that visitors who bring technology and increased standard of living are the enemies of locals is a common theme among low IQ peoples. They are subconsciously jealous of the men who had a vision to create a sport and the drive to make it happen. Conversely, other cultures recognize their resources and develop them on their own. It is only the cultures which lack unity, foresight, ambition, drive, and will that become the ones which watch visitors arrive and realize the dreams that they were unable to manifest. Hawaiians are generally under-educated people who believe in a social system which is akin to African warlords. The bullies rule. It is a very sad fact that the island is a cesspool. The water is polluted because they did not bother to run the sewer lines farther off the coast and all of that raw sewage returns to the shore within six hours to three days (scientific fact.) Hepatitis is rampant. There is a garbage trail around the entire island on both sides of the main roads. The island is filthy. The cleanliness of an area is correlated to the behavior of the people living there (see Alaska, one of the cleanest.) I am not here to insult an entire people; because, I have nothing to gain from it. I am here to testify to the fact that this video only scratches the surface of a larger problem in Hawaii. The culture has crippled the educational system. Although reports claim low pay as responsible for the teacher crisis, most teachers who worked there will tell you they left because of the violent culture. Sadly, it has become worse and worse each decade and now it is the meth capital of the USA. The surf gang, Da Hui, is not some social coalition, it is a drug cartel. Everyone who has ever lived there knows this. The government has watched with a blind eye because this is how they will eventually take over everything. Let the people destroy themselves while slowly buying all the property. One day the people will be relegated to a small area of land (much like the story of Cony Island, exile of the servant class.) This is the real sad story. It has nothing to do with surfing. The stubborn, ignorant culture will be the downfall of the island. Within fifty years, the government will declare a drug epidemic and take what is left of the island. It will be rebuilt into a rich commercial resort area, much like Negril, Jamaica. The locals will not even be able to go to the North Shore without a proper shakedown by the police. The crimes rates on the North Shore have skyrocketed and this fact plays to the hand of the rich which will one day own it all. All of this because some thugs think respect is something people should give you. You earn it. You should be afforded courtesy; however, you should earn respect. People typically do not respect violent thugs. If the males of the region do not change their ways (drugs, theft, general junior high attitudes), the inevitable end will come much sooner. Mark these words: no society in a potential goldmine area ever survives without unity, vision, and drive. All of these areas are taken by the industrious, a.k.a "the man". You thugs will have no one to blame except yourselves.
Well said
Lot of truth there. I know a guy who lives in Bend, Oregon, and he told me that Jerry Lopez, one of the best Hawaiian surfers ever, and a Pipeline legend, moved to Bend because he didn't want his kids growing up in Hawaii. Says a lot.
"some people think we are violent" ... (surfer punches someone' face in ) ... "but that's not true" (GET REAL - FIGHTING OVER PERCEIVED DISRESPECT (real or not) IS INDEED VIOLENT. SETTLE DISPUTES WITHOUT VIOLENCE. THEN AND ONLY THEN CAN YOU HONESTLY SAY IT'S UNTRUE. (a man who 'deserves' respect is honest at the least, eh?)
The "Wolfpack" 😂 Real original.
It's Luciferian. They were mason led.
Well they want surf tourism so they can make money, but they don't want them to enjoy the surf.
I live close to Hossegor. I have quit surfing my favourite breaks because of bad attitude and crowds. Competition, sponsorships, money, photographers and surf coaches teaching the wannabe Slater groms to be super aggressive in the water have ruined it for old locals like me who just go out there to chill and have fun after work. Surf schools, surf camps and tour operators trying to exploit the surf craze have damaged the good vibes as well. It is not about locals vs tourists, it is about money, greed, competitiveness and all the bad human traits that have ruined what used to be about fun, experiencing exceptional moments, being blessed with a big drop, a barrel, communion with nature, smiles and cleansing of the soul after the daily grind of ordinary life. Global warming has made quality waves a rarity too. Swells are coming in from the west head on instead of the north west, offshore winds are becoming rare.
Eddie Rothman is Jewish and is from Pennsylvania!!! How does a jew from Pennsylvania become one of the founding fathers of DA HUI?
He moved to Hawaii, respected the local surfers and they took him in. His Hanai into some of the local north shore families, and when it came time to Mālama them, or care for those who took him in, he did so.
His methods, like Kalā's, may have been unorthodox, and Da Hui, like the wolf pack may have been made up of young, kinda scrappy, local guys, but they have a point. I didn't grow up on the north shore, but I grew up a stone throw away from Makaha Surf beach, and I gotta tell you the guys out there are the same. It's their water, their families have surfed there for generations, and so they feel like it's their home. It's like if someone walks in my house with their shoes on and makes my floor dirty, I freak out, because it's my house. You go to their beach and drop in and hurt someone, or leave rubbish around, or say bad things about them or their ohana, they get nuts...
They are human, and surfers tend to be more human than most. What I mean is, they are deeply invested in surf
mmmmhhhmmm. so you're agreeing he isn't from Hawaii?!! enough said. hypocrites everywhere!!
+Johnson Beyer he's not a hypocrite. He is an example for how people from other places should behave when they come here. He is a non-local who had respect for the people and for they way things are, and as a result he eventually became a "local"
+Chelsea Cobb I knew Eddie back then...he was a drug dealing thug. Even if you sugar coat a turd...it's still a TURD!!!
+Chelsea Cobb If I acted the same way about foreigners in my country I'd get called a racist.... Go Figure!
First surfed the North Shore in Dec of 1964. It was well known that “visitors” were not welcome but I respected their turf and had no problems. First judge Kelly Slater at the Dec 84 USSF Championships at Makaha and then surfed with him on the North Shore before we returned to the “mainland”. Great memories and friends as SideWalk Surfers rule our Lord’s world.
Respect the locals, wherever you go. That should be a basic principle of any global traveler.
Brian except Kala
I grew up on Oahu in the 70's. A haole, and even though I found refuge in the water as a surfer, the locals would torment me relentlessly at school. I later found out, many years later, that it is called "Plantation Mentality" Really stupid stuff. But hey, I got a lot of waves!
I understand that they want to preserve their break and everything, so they should get priority on waves and such, but they can't be a bunch of thugs ganging up on fellow countryman and other outsiders who are there because they want to enjoy Hawaii's glories. Just my two cents on the situation
I dont agree on the priority thing...... Who ever got the ball's to commit. Fare Game is what i call it. They dont owen the ocean.
That forearm at 4:00 is unstoppable... Love that move
Respect is whatever they decide it is and it changes minute to minute, but that's how it is and all need to beware.