Thantis vs Grenzo vs Melek vs Lord Windgrace EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering

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  • @briebaggaley6801
    @briebaggaley6801 5 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    From now on, every time you cut out in a video, i'm going to add Radiate to a deck I play.

  • @kale1602
    @kale1602 5 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    At 12:30 I thought Andrew said "...reveals White Boy off the top..."

  • @CLtrackStar4
    @CLtrackStar4 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Growing Rites of Itlimoc won't trigger at all if you don't have 4+ creatures as you move to your End Step. Sandwurm Convergence will trigger, giving you Creature #4, but it'll be too late for Itlimoc to transform.

    • @imapaincake2305
      @imapaincake2305 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Can't you decide and re-arrange the order of the triggers or it is already written in the card? (i'm too lazy to check)

    • @LaserfaceJones
      @LaserfaceJones 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@imapaincake2305 no, because if you don't have 4 creatures at the beginning of the end step, it won't trigger at all. It doesn't just trigger and then check if you have 4 creatures, the trigger just doesn't go on the stack if you don't have 4 creatures when the step starts

    • @nitrodog96
      @nitrodog96 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@imapaincake2305 Unfortunately, no. It's an intervening "if" clause ("At the beginning of your end step, IF [condition], [do something]") which means that it checks the condition twice - once when it would be put on the stack, and once when it resolves. If the condition isn't true when it would be put on the stack, it isn't put on the stack. And if the condition isn't true when it resolves, it does nothing.

    • @Customerbuilder
      @Customerbuilder 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nitrodog96 just like Santa!

  • @ArchonSK
    @ArchonSK 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    11:56 "The last ability of Growing Rites of Itlimoc doesn’t trigger if you don’t control four or more creatures as your end step begins. If you don’t control four or more creatures as it resolves, it does nothing."

  • @ErasMcras
    @ErasMcras 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Gotta love the lands player getting literally every piece of hate and letting Vin-Saw do whatever he wants.

  • @AffinityForCommander
    @AffinityForCommander 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    As usual, this game has me hooked! Nice one Muddstah! 😁

  • @patrickweiss5063
    @patrickweiss5063 5 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Sam couldn't attach the turn he reanimated craterhoof due to keeping glacial chasm by paying 4 life. Cheat count +1

    • @Rohan841r
      @Rohan841r 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Could not Attack.

  • @Cole444Train
    @Cole444Train 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    That Grenzo deck is sweet!

  • @matthugenberg8869
    @matthugenberg8869 5 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    You can't attack with glacial chasm out. Whoops. Haha

  • @Cole444Train
    @Cole444Train 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Being tempted by discovery is always a mistake. Sam got urborg and coffers and mark got a basic? Yeah totally worth.

    • @DarkEinherjar
      @DarkEinherjar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Judging from the subsequent plays, I think Mark was tempted not because he wanted the land, but because he wanted to shuffle and hopefully put an instant or sorcery on the top of his library, and getting a land out of the deck increases the chances of that happening. It was a gamble, which unfortunately didn't pay off.

  • @BTGamenight
    @BTGamenight 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Happy Holidays Mr Muddstah! Thank you for the extra videos which are always fun to watch!! : ]

  • @DarkEinherjar
    @DarkEinherjar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You know, when Josh played Grenzo at GameKnights (actually, the first GK video I ever saw), it didn't pick my interest that much... but after seeing this version of Grenzo in action, I definitely want him as my Rakdos commander now (sorry, Mogis).

  • @johnwelsch8943
    @johnwelsch8943 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    When you want to see someone's take on Lord Windgrace. But you can't cause Muddstah hates you. 33 mins it soooo far away lol

    • @MTGMuddstah
      @MTGMuddstah  5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      It's true. I told Sam to delete his list to deprive you all of its hotness.

  • @DeadbeatShadows
    @DeadbeatShadows 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really like Sam's take on Windgrace, it seems like my build. Dredge, some Landfall, and graveyard shenanigans. I just need some more of those juicy utility lands.

  • @KevinSilva-wv3yf
    @KevinSilva-wv3yf 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Today’s music was so on point ❤️ more in future episodes please!

  • @geekmp3
    @geekmp3 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm absolutely in love with Thantis. So much fun with -1/-1 counters

  • @Marionettetc
    @Marionettetc 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey muddy, I'm glad you're mixing up the music. The license free stuff i've heard for years on other TH-cam videos and the variety is a relief.

    • @BadCookies1234
      @BadCookies1234 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He also attacked with three creatures when there was a crawlspace. oh well. game on

  • @PhazonOmega
    @PhazonOmega 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Some sweet cards showed up in this game! Never even heard of Summary Dismissal!

  • @ErikTheRedd1
    @ErikTheRedd1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think itlimoc needs the creatures to be out for the trigger to be put on the stack and for it to resolve

    • @Quroe_
      @Quroe_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is true. 'Intervening if' clause.

  • @Quroe_
    @Quroe_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always an entertaining watch. As somebody who loves combo victories, that was a pretty satisfying one to see.

  • @maxscott2964
    @maxscott2964 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    i love all your comander games and i haven’t missed one
    keep it up

  • @roberthigdon764
    @roberthigdon764 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3:56 Tuktuk Scrapper should have done one point of damage to the player Mark when it killed his scepter since Vince had one ally in play.

  • @inthestateofdelirium
    @inthestateofdelirium 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Please don't do this premiere thing. I'll watch your videos every time until forever, but don't tempt me with a picture and say it's almost out. :(

  • @nicoschleier2972
    @nicoschleier2972 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I wanna see the Windgrace Decklist so badly xD please share it :p

  • @marnixw8724
    @marnixw8724 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Came here specifically for inspiration for a grenzo deck. Wasn't disappointed.

  • @danielegiuntini8844
    @danielegiuntini8844 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    So good Tempt with
    Discovery. I prefere to do not run it in my Windgrace deck because I'm scared of Bojuka Bog or Scavenger Grounds exiling my graveyard. However there were many mistakes but it's normal in a complex multiplayer game.

  • @lordofdeath1876
    @lordofdeath1876 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i love the 3 videos a week

  • @jonathaneliudcarrizales362
    @jonathaneliudcarrizales362 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10:59 Sam shouldn't attack because of static ability of Glacial Chasm...

  • @popo-or8hd
    @popo-or8hd 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great game! Its pleasure to see grenzo in action!

  • @darylchiu9030
    @darylchiu9030 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Spider, Goblin, Electro and T'Challa. :3

    • @namename8004
      @namename8004 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I see what you did there.

  • @quincybriley4113
    @quincybriley4113 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    that was very nice of him when he twincast'd the lightning bolt not to hit the dryad arbor

  • @achimney29
    @achimney29 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ah a fellow Thanits player, a man of true taste...

  • @Egovinco98
    @Egovinco98 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:23-0:25 Weird Cut
    04:00 missed 1 dmg, i think. haven't really played that ally much.
    11:58 Itlimoc Flip does not trigger , if you don't control 4 creatures at beginning of end step. (not sure how many tokens you had before cause lighting, talk seemed to indicate you had 3 creatures only)
    oh and i loved that Grenzo Deck!

  • @DarkEinherjar
    @DarkEinherjar 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best line of the game: Muddstah saying "#cheatcounteroneSam" as a joke, and one minute later Sam actually cheating by accident, swinging with his creatures even though Glacial Chasm stops him from doing so.
    Also, #misplaycountoneMuddstah, for the Growing Rites of Itlimoc trigger: if you don't have enough creatures at the beginning of your end step, GRoI won't trigger at all, even if you add creatures during your end step to fulfill the quota; you have to add them before the end step.

  • @zwalkover
    @zwalkover 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The background music reminds me of "The Canyon" by Philip Glass.

  • @stevenbuck4090
    @stevenbuck4090 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    A few misplays here. Forgot to give first spirit token, Ithilmoc couldn't have flipped, and he couldn't have attacked with Chasm. But overall good game!

  • @AnimEva_33
    @AnimEva_33 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Grenzo looks so much fun

  • @ivorymantis1026
    @ivorymantis1026 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My Thantis deck was just designed to put as much chaos on the field as physically and humanly possible.
    I didn't even design it to win.

  • @safertobeanonymous2224
    @safertobeanonymous2224 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Turns out the one guy saying puzzle box was right!

  • @muzunomi
    @muzunomi 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Is it Vince or Vince???

    • @emdub9679
      @emdub9679 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's Vince as in Vince

  • @animeexpresscon
    @animeexpresscon 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good game, but watching Mark cast instants at sorcery speed was hard to watch at times. For example: the initial Lightning bolt and copy could have got him a 2 for 1 had he waited just one more turn for Vince to drop Grenzo.

  • @crazydude324
    @crazydude324 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Poor Mark, it was really sad to see land after land on top of his library.

  • @Squidxx-fg7ih
    @Squidxx-fg7ih 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pretty sure Sam had glacial chasm on board when he cast craterhoof?

  • @Avatarbee
    @Avatarbee 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn, I got blindsided by the unexpected saturday video.

    • @MTGMuddstah
      @MTGMuddstah  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Each Saturday in December has an extra game as a holiday treat!

  • @nonlinear3084
    @nonlinear3084 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    [[Desecrated Tomb]] does not grant a bat for each creature returned, only the first one per turn

    • @MTGMuddstah
      @MTGMuddstah  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It doesn't say anything about how many times it triggers on the card.

  • @aarong2606
    @aarong2606 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wait Sam attacked with the Craterhoof swing....didnt he have glacial chasm out? Shouldn't have dealt damage.

    • @DarkEinherjar
      @DarkEinherjar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shouldn't have attacked AT ALL.

  • @imasiontist653
    @imasiontist653 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:30 MARK NO!

  • @kdchmln
    @kdchmln 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:59 that Tuktuk Scrapper should have dealt 1 damage to Mark.

  • @TCG9777
    @TCG9777 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:24 thought my phone skipped something lolz

  • @mwetter6949
    @mwetter6949 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Liked for Thantis ❤️

  • @decakebaker
    @decakebaker 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the loonies and toonies you guys flipped eh?!

  • @Rabid_Wombat
    @Rabid_Wombat 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sam's Windgrace list...we need it now!

  • @l.m.c.s4102
    @l.m.c.s4102 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you forget Partner on virtus ?

  • @nanoacido5174
    @nanoacido5174 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Every time Mark passed I thought something crazy was going to hit the table :/

  • @DarkEinherjar
    @DarkEinherjar 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why are people surprised that everyone picked on the Windgrace player? That's what happens when so many people build him focusing on mass land destruction. NO ONE LIKES LOSING THEIR LANDS AND BEING UNABLE TO PLAY THE GAME.
    Also, going after Doubling Season is a natural thing: Planeswalkers entering the battlefield with twice as many counters is no joke, and that Vraska at the top of Sam's library tells us he could have other PWs. That Vraska in particular would enter one turn away from her ultimate, and so would Windgrace himself.

  • @awanderingtroll8724
    @awanderingtroll8724 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    where is the deck list for Lord Windgrace
    ?

  • @n0ksi0210
    @n0ksi0210 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    How he played 2 lands on first turn? Gren Sun's zenith into dryad arbor and then bounce land. why ......

  • @jonathand8480
    @jonathand8480 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:01. No big deal but mark should have taken one damage here since Vince controlled an Ally

  • @zakkwyllde
    @zakkwyllde 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    isnt Growing Rites of Itlimoc an intervening if trigger? meaning it wont trigger if you dont meet the requirements?

    • @MTGMuddstah
      @MTGMuddstah  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Someone else pointed that out. It seems I misplayed it!

  • @ChevronSeven
    @ChevronSeven 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's the backround music?

  • @khornii8129
    @khornii8129 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm quite sure this isn't the same soundtrack as always?

  • @bosser18
    @bosser18 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Didnt tuk tuk when he first came out miss a damage?

  • @TheBigPenguu
    @TheBigPenguu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why does everyone keep hating on the Windgrace deck?

    • @Suzuki246
      @Suzuki246 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Obliterate, Decree of Annhilaion, and all similar possible MLD effects. His card draw and recursion makes him very hard to keep up with once he gets going. At least, thats what I've seen so far when I faced him.

    • @Ianoxen
      @Ianoxen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Personally, I hate it because every playgroup I've been to has one Windgrace player and Im kind of sick of seeing it and is almost always predictable of what they're doing. The usual ramp/sacLand/discardLand/landfall because theres no other way of playing him.

    • @user-zq7qs8hs5f
      @user-zq7qs8hs5f 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ianoxen I have a Windgrace deck. It's about Greater Good/Urabrask/Living Death and Jarad as wincons, Landfall is like suppport. That is a much more graveyard oriented deck than most. There are other ways of playing him and I believe if you only focus on landfall you do it wrong.

    • @swolegolisopod7340
      @swolegolisopod7340 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Ianoxen I personally run a memey valakut list that attempts to get prismatic omen with valakut and any of mirage mirror, vesuva,or thespians stage. Also ob nixilis as a potential valakut #5. From there saccing lands via zuran orb or squandered resources followed by splendid reclamation or world shaper will close out most games. World shaper can be targeted by a valakut trigger to keep the shenanigans going.

    • @mtgnoob9988
      @mtgnoob9988 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@swolegolisopod7340 that sounds fun! I love zurvan orb in this deck. Has saved my life several games

  • @unitouchme
    @unitouchme 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    love your channel

  • @b-hawk5959
    @b-hawk5959 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I named my tarantula Thantis

  • @AidanWR
    @AidanWR 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait, you only had three creatures when you transformed Growing Rites

  • @thewaffler43
    @thewaffler43 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dryad arbor counts as a land, he couldn't have played dryad arbor and then golgari rotfarm on the same turn

  • @KromeDrone
    @KromeDrone 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You should go on the Command Zone podcast, Muddstah. Considering youre easily the best Commander Gameplay channel that had actual footage of people playing the game, youd be the best candidate for it.

    • @johns832
      @johns832 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Please dont... they are corporate commander. Nothing original only what wizards wants highlighted. I love his originality.

  • @anti_filatelisti4747
    @anti_filatelisti4747 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Victimize brings the creatures onto the board TAPPED! And good game btw :D

    • @anti_filatelisti4747
      @anti_filatelisti4747 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      EDIT: Yea I looked wrong it just looked he attacked with the Behemoth sorry :)

    • @Arvensa
      @Arvensa 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean, he shouldn't be attacking anyway while controlling his Glacial Chasm

  • @samdiamond5333
    @samdiamond5333 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes I love thantis!

  • @karkius
    @karkius 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    what kind of name is Vainsoan?

  • @YourPalRowan
    @YourPalRowan 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Vince couldn't attack with Virtus the turn it came in due to it not having haste. Cheat count +1

    • @MTGMuddstah
      @MTGMuddstah  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He activated Grenzo at the end of Mark's turn. This is how the Virtus came out. He then started his own turn, which meant Virtus could attack on Vincent's turn.

  • @joshuadiaz6104
    @joshuadiaz6104 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah Vince was given the game in the end from Mark with the wipe away smh

  • @maxboudreaux1076
    @maxboudreaux1076 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i LOVE grenzo so i spent all my money to make a competetiv deck wish me luck guys

  • @thelocustgod9098
    @thelocustgod9098 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kind of curious as to why you kept that starting hand?

    • @MTGMuddstah
      @MTGMuddstah  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Didn't want to mulligan down even further.

    • @thelocustgod9098
      @thelocustgod9098 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      MTG Muddstah fair.

  • @peacechan4500
    @peacechan4500 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please do more thanthis

  • @kuro_nogazaki
    @kuro_nogazaki 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can’t attack with Glacial Chasm out.

  • @michaelmoorman9104
    @michaelmoorman9104 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow. Any way I can get that grenzo decklist?

  • @PhazonOmega
    @PhazonOmega 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh, this reveals WIPE AWAY! Not White Boy. I misheard that.

  • @henryrussell8833
    @henryrussell8833 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    huh, didnt know goblins could be festive

  • @gwalden
    @gwalden 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a melek spellslinger deck

  • @ImTroyFromCanada
    @ImTroyFromCanada 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    YOU GUYS ARE CANUCKS?! MY DUDES!

  • @danpasquale1620
    @danpasquale1620 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    how much you pay for that Gaea's Cradle SAMMMM?!?

  • @IHazMagics
    @IHazMagics 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This week I’m

  • @DragonKingSkye
    @DragonKingSkye 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Imagine saying yes to a tempting offer for a basic, like bruh.

  • @Richthofen100
    @Richthofen100 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wished i saw more action from the melek player.

    • @federicocarlucci7973
      @federicocarlucci7973 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Michał Korybut Wiśniowiecki Spellslinger decks are often all-or nothing decks. Either they go off in a flurry of spells or they do nothing at all while trying to sculpt their hands

    • @Richthofen100
      @Richthofen100 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@federicocarlucci7973 Tell me about it. Bought Melek myself and spent 8 turns doing nothing more than digging, scrying and playing a Fog Bank -.-

  • @dirkdevos5701
    @dirkdevos5701 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    #Samcheatcount2 he can't attack with glacial chasm on the field

  • @wadinatorthevile2805
    @wadinatorthevile2805 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This week *_I’M_*

  • @BjornEinarr
    @BjornEinarr 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can't understand the hatred towards Windgrace, considering the ridiculous boardstate Grenzo had, into an obvious combo :(

    • @DarkEinherjar
      @DarkEinherjar 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Blame everyone who focused on mass land destruction when building their Windgrace decks...

  • @LAmanafull6246
    @LAmanafull6246 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    on 5:20, sam did a +2 on windgrace, but there is a doubling season, he forgot to put 4 loyalty counters instead of 2 :)

    • @idy3967
      @idy3967 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      axel leroy It doesn't work that way thankfully. The loyalty counters adding or removing from a planeswalker is a cost and doesn't actually put counters on the way doubling season cares about. If you cast a planeswalker with doubling season on the board however you get double.

    • @LAmanafull6246
      @LAmanafull6246 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@idy3967 Really? Works only when they arrive in the battlefield and not after?
      JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDGE!!! I WANNA REPLA A LOT OF LOST GAAAAAAAAAAAAMES!!!

  • @nosniboR_naI
    @nosniboR_naI 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Look up the land called howltooth hollow it’s horible

  • @zaddyzathog4087
    @zaddyzathog4087 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    when you destroyed doubling season instead of the puzzle box... ugh

  • @pklemon7856
    @pklemon7856 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    cireneg nilbog esion

  • @xakuyer
    @xakuyer 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Everyone is red, they picked the wrong color, team black

  • @STIPanda
    @STIPanda 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Canyon Slough is pronounced Canyon Slew

  • @daniilmironov6683
    @daniilmironov6683 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why your opponents wouldn't let you mulligan for free? Your hand was horrible.

  • @murlocmasher3368
    @murlocmasher3368 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    7:23 he knows what his card does, if its a personal deck. he chose to target cradle.. cheaters never win. Vince was the only loser imo

    • @murlocmasher3368
      @murlocmasher3368 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      not to mention Land destruction is very frowned upon in the format, sometimes not even aloud

    • @MTGMuddstah
      @MTGMuddstah  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@murlocmasher3368 not sure what to say other than mistakes happen, even if it is your own deck.

  • @dancook6114
    @dancook6114 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Big cheats on turn 10. Mark cannot attack because of his glacial chasm

  • @TheAressandoro
    @TheAressandoro 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Doubling season in Lord Wingrace? Why?

    • @MTGMuddstah
      @MTGMuddstah  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Value? I'd assume to help just crank out more tokens, loyalty counters, etc.

  • @StEvEn420BrUlE
    @StEvEn420BrUlE 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    First