@@Mad_Beefs Super Saiyan 4 has a better design in Super Saiyan blue because Super Saiyan 4 is its own design in general and not just that but it's actually cool whereas Super Saiyan blue is trying to be Super Saiyan but in its own way.
@@Mad_Beefs also the form is not trash even in terms of power it's not trash if you lowball Super Saiyan blue then Super Saiyan 4 would be at least as powerful as that. But in terms of design it's the best transformation that Goku and Vegeta have at least in my opinion.
You two have forgotten an important fact about why GT Gogeta was more clownish than the broly counterpart and i hope you address this in your next video. If you noticed in GT the reason why Gogeta was playing with Omega was so he could get him to use his ultimate attack the Negative Karma Ball so he could use that attack against the poison he set on the earth. Once it was cleared Gogeta immediately tried to vaperize Omega twice with the Big Bang Kamehameha only failing the second time because of the time limit. I like your vids but if you are gonna make ones like these please look at all the facts. SSJ4 Gogeta's behavior was out of him needing Omega to be pissed to the point of destroying the earth. All in all its the same Gogeta just a different form
@@chanchitojr3398 It's EXACTLY like that, there was a reason Gogeta SSJ4 was very similar to Vegito attitude wise in comparison to his more serious attitude in the movie, it was obviously a act to get Omega Shenron pissed enough to use his most powerful attack so he could turn it into positive energy to save the world.
@@osvaldo5069 Did you even WATCH the fight? Its very obvious that was his goal since the negative energy was going to spread and destroy the world, even if Gogeta killed shenron the earth still would have been destroyed by the effects of the negative energy. The entire point of Gogeta toying with him was to get him to release another negative energy ball so he could kick and and turn it into positive energy that exploded and eliminated the negative energy, after he got serious and was going to kill him before his time ran out, its blatantly obvious to anyone who watched and understood that fight what his goal was.
PRL 412 AND Goku had the power of Gohan, Goten, Trunks & Pan. Four Saiyans. THEN Goku Fused with Vegeta so Goku's powers merged with Vegeta, a fifth Saiyan.
@@75JUNAKI SSJ4 hasn't been introduced in Super, doesn't mean it won't ever happen. If they decide to make it canon like they made Broly canon, and SSJ4 becomes a thing - then SSJ4 Gogeta will for sure be stronger than blue, because new form beats old form every time in DB logic. i.e: Blue better than God which was better than any SSJ form, but UI better than Blue etc...
The thing you forget to mention was that Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta was making jokes to get Omega Shenron to use his Negative Energy Ball so Gogeta could kick it back into a Positive Energy Ball to rid the Earth of the negative Energy the Shenrons had caused. The moment that happened, Gogeta took the fight seriously, but at that point it was too late.
Wait,so ss4 Gogeta has to kick Omega Shenrons negative attack but when he kicks it it turns positive? So why didn't he just make his own positive energy ball? If ss4 Gogeta is that much stronger than Omega,surely he didn't need Omega to do his own attack. Wtf.
Jeremy Unchangco watch GT he explained how he needed his negative energy because it’s not just plain old negative energy, remember his negative energy was going to spread throwout the entire universe, he wanted to make sure he had an opportunity to change all the negative energy at once.
@@BluuDemon I watched GT as much as the next guy growing up. Had DVD copies of every GT episode. No,when omega made the karma negative ball or whatever,he said the negative energy from humanity gave him the power to make the negative karma ball. When Gogeta kicked it,he told Omega that when he made first contact with the negative ball,he overflooded it with his own positive energy. Therefore overcoming all humanities negative energy with his own since Gogeta is by far stronger than anyone on the earth. He clearly could've made his own positive energy and throw it to the sky if he's that much more powerful than Omega people say he is. But we'll just agree to disagree.
I always interpreted SSJ4 Gogeta's playfulness as a ploy to rid the earth of all the negative energy that Omega & the rest of the shadow dragons had released on the world. Because once Omega launched that negative death ball move, Gogeta not only deflected it, but also polarized the energy to a positive frequency, thus dispelling all the negative energies encasing the Earth. After that, he got serious & was preparing to end him. Too bad he didn't know that his fusion was only 10mins because of how great his power was. If we disregard all that & look at the truth, Gogeta in GT only showed up for fan-service, rather than being written to further the plot or or anything marginally constructive.
He could've landed good blows on omega shenron to make him weak then taunt omega so he would be easier to deal with when they unfused or omega might get desperate after a good beating then send that energy ball
@@insertnamehere658 makes sense but that isn't what happened and that's not what the writers wanted, it was supposed to be similar to what vegito did against buuhan when he wanted to be absorbed to save everyone he absorbed before.
@@shido_rimru_ I disagree Super Saiyan 4 Goku is as strong as Super Saiyan God Goku well he's not stronger because Super Saiyan God it's like Super Saiyan 3 Vegito at full power as for Super Saiyan 4 Goku he's like bass Vegito and when he goes Ultra you he went full power in Super Saiyan 4 form that's like super Vegito I guess when they become Gogeta I say he's as strong as Super Saiyan blue Goku or Vegeta from RoF
SSJ4 gogeta look cool, but I didn't like how they basically turned GOgeta into vegito by giving him a goofy personality instead of the serious personality that gogeta is supposed to have.
NOD_MAKO Duh.. It's not online and we can't make it to Japan. I mean it is online but it's in crappy quality. Nobody wants to watch the movie like that
ElectroBlastLuigi I’ve watched it online, 7/10 quality but I adjusted. Unpopular opinion but they made the final fight very difficult to follow. It was very chaotic
@I Know All it's been stated multiple times that DBS is part of the main timeline. Unlike GT, which is it's own thing. Toriyama just hadn't come up with those ideas when making the original Dragon Ball manga
I came here after the Gogeta Super Saiyan 4 Dragon Ball FighterZ trailer where the Gogetas were fighting and it ended with both using a Kamehameha attack that shoots up into the heavens leaving it up to the players to determine who won.
Well to be fair during GT by having SS4 Gogeta vs Omega Shenron it wasn't much of a competition to begin with. Omega was completely out classed since he wasn't able to lay a finger on SS4 Gogeta and he probably could have killed Omega easily so you really can't estimate SS4 Gogeta power based off a a fight it his opponent was out classed to begin with. By the start of GT base form Goku was already stronger than Fat buu so in actually the first season arc GT Goku in base form is stronger than first season arc Goku Super in base form.
Goku in BoG states that even Vegito isn't enough for Beerus. He says this like he is talking about Vegito at his max, so hypothetical Ss3 Vegito. Base Vegito= Buuhan. Ss3 Vegito= 400x Buuhan. So high balled base Gt Goku is 400x weaker than Ss3 Vegito fron Buu arc. Even if we lowball Ssg, it's still stronger than Base Gt Goku, and probably stronger than Ssj3 Gt Goku. Then Goku absorbs SsG to it's base. And goes Ssj. In RoF, Beerus says that he surpassed himself from BoG. And it's base Goku. So: Ssj3 Vegito= Ssj3 Gt Goku= Ssg Goku(BoG)(lowball) Ssj Goku(BoG)(Ssg Absorbed)= 50x Ssj3 Gt Goku Base Goku(RoF)= 50x Ssj3 Gt Goku= 1/2 Ssj4 Goku Ssb Goku(RoF)(lowball)= 2000000x Ss3 Gt Goku= 2000x Ssj4 Goku So RoF Goku stomps Ssj4, and probably Ss4 Gogeta. And it's lowball for Ssb.
I prefer SS4 Gogeta and SSB Vegito when it comes to Goku/Vegeta fusions. Nerfing Potara was stupid, the only real advantage of that fusion now is that it's instantaneous and not hampered by the coordination of the fusion dance.
Nerfing the potara actually is the reason I stopped watching super until the last 5 episodes... there is a point where enough is enough when it comes to screwing up the old canon.
Limit Breaking Subliminals ikr. They knew what they were doing. They only showed images of vegito during the trailer even though he only appeared for 7 minutes. Even I could have written a better ending to this arc. Instead of shitty filler arcs, it could have been the story of vegito finally meeting the z fighters, fight beerus, then wish to be unfused. Why make the fans happy when you can blue ball them instead.
I only followed Dragon Ball when I was little. And I really remember my favorite character at that time. He was really cool, ssj4 gogeta always in my memories.
gogeta blue and dbs in general scales waaaaayyy higher than gt, so id say that gogeta blue wins in terms of design, id say that while i really like gogeta blues simplistic design and sick aura, id say that ssj4 gogeta is way cooler in design
You know whats real cool? Ive supported your voice and contribution to the db community and the truth you have always brought it. What is cool is i also get entertainment out of this. Whats totally amazing is to see someone grow over the last 3 years into some one so highly regarded he mentioned by sean him self. Even if ill always prefer tge japanese cast. What a journey you have traveled D. Its something to be very proud of. An old fan of the channel.
I think gogeta blue didn't defuse because of that pocket dimension thing. Time could function differently in a different dimension, maybe even granted him more time
I wouldn't stand a chance against the original Destructo disc.. Comming from Krillen.. With like.. 3k power at the time when he was relevant . Fuck the rest. The sayin saga would have did me in. Yamcha was the prime example.. That humans Humans are fucked...
@@coconut412 your are even stupider if u think that XD gogeta ssj4 is LIMITLESS in terms of power, he beats all of them, god , blue wtv. wtf dont u get about that, its impossible to beat him.
FlechFisher lol i am stupidier lol you cant spell are you sure you are making claims with no proof and ssj4 is a x10 of ssj3 so x4000 and ssg is at least x50 ssj3 so multiplier would be 20000 and ssb is x 50 so 1000000 times base so are you sure a x4000 is stronger no shut up you just cant accept the fact ssb and ssg destroys ssj4
@@jasonone8726 It was never cannon but ss4 is cannon because of bs dragon hero's So ss4 isn't b.s. . But Dragons hero's is.. So Ss4 Is An achievable state.. It's just not as important as the new states.. Which are more on the forms of ki than the shape of the body
If you guys haven't yet I am sure it's still on TH-cam but someone puts the top arc in real time it's a fun video and really shows how fast these characters are moving and fighting
It would be cool if Gogeta and Vegito were their own person once the fusion happened like a different mindset and everything not just Goku and vegeta brainstorming together
Damn it sucks not being able to listen to the channel bc every chat has Broly spoilers in it just about. But keep up the good work bro, Tampa in the house!
Everybody who is saying SSJ4 gets stomped is missing the fact that SSJ4 and SSJB is portrayed as equals in Heroes and games(the only sources we can go off). Personally I'm going with SSJ4 Gogeta, he was so op that he turned a Kamehameha into confetti to troll a universe buster.
@@mudirkabir3839 he didnt lol the manga confirmed xeno goku was not at full power and the arcade stated that ssj4 is a stronger transformation but he lost because ssjb goku and ssjb beat where ganging up on him
Charles Stanford I think you’re underestimating the boost UI gives. Ultra instinct’s boost should be at the very least equal to the fusion boost. Ultra instinct omen alone was strong enough to make beginning of ToP Goku who by his own admission was rusty from lack of serious training strong enough to fight on the levels of SSB Vegito from the previous arc. MUI is so much more powerful than UIO to the point where someone who had the advantage against UIO was completely outclassed by MUI. It will definitely not be an easy fight if the two of them were from the same arc.
Gogeta blue is the strongest fusion we’ve seen so far including vegito/gogeta ss4. Gogeta blue is stronger than gogeta 4. I watched the movie and I loved it.
jordan johnson oh well I said gogeta blue is the strongest fusion because gogeta blue from the dbs Broly movie is stronger than goku black saga vegito blue. But yes if they fuse at the same time gogeta and vegito are now equals, before in dbz vegito was stronger.
Some people fail to take into account how going ssj4 affects a saiyan's personality. Goku said it himself that he would tend to let his saiyan nature take over and lose reason. The whole reason Gogeta prolonged the fight and joked around was to provoke Omega to shoot out a negative karma ball. When Gogeta kicked it he turned all the negative energy on earth into positive energy. Also, when you look at Gogeta's design/character, it mostly resembles Sun Wukong, who GOKU is based off of.
Not really if we go by the statements from battle of gods then ssj2 gt goku would beat beerus. As of now there is no offucial statement for ssjb being stronger than ssj4
@@danielmedjedovic7068 17 isn't on the same level, the only reason he was able to hit Jiren, was bc 17 can't be sensed. That unique android ability was pretty clutch in the end.
@@johnnykilroy3737 the problem is GT character generally have no feats while characters from Super can literally crack universes by like punching each other..
Here comes the Most controversial Topic of the DBZ Community, Next to SS4 Vegito vs SSB VegitoSS4 Goku vs SSB Goku, and SS4 Vegeta vs SSB Vegeta. This oughta be fun.
Damn Geekdom, I watch your videos as soon as I can, but this time around i feel like ive missed out on like 10 videos cause alot of em contain spoilers lmao. I'll be back Wednesday night though, im most excited about the discussion joint. Much love, from boring OHIO, -Devin-
@@OneKind671 Dude, what is it with you and stalking me in every thread? If you wanted my autograph so badly you should've asked, now you're not getting one 😂
if you ever played Dragon Ball FighterZ you would know adult Gohan plainly says ssj4 Gogeta is the strongest power he's ever sensed. That game includes ssj blue Gogeta and ultra instinct goku
@@micahben-avraham5635 Kinda like saying Vegito Blue in Dokkan omnipotent just because his title is [Azure Omnipotence]. Cuz Dokkan includes SS4 Gogeta and stuff.
One reason why I loved SSB Gogeta way more than SSJ4 Gogeta was the attacks that he used that looked so cool! He had this Ki blast barrage rain attack, he had this Ki blast barrage attack that he did when he set up his arms like he was about to do the Final Flash, he had the Stardust Breaker/Soul Punisher, he had this single punch that would trap the opponent in some sort of electrical energy, and he had this Ki blast barrage attack that came out of the ground, and his pose for that attack looked like a Super Explosive Wave. SSB Gogeta was just a straight-up badass in this movie!
The body shots from gogeta didn't turn the tide... gogeta was winning the second he entered the fight. Yes he had to increase his power to maintain that advantage but atleast in the movie it was always gogeta who was winning...
Broly was stated by frieza if he took control of his full power super saiyan then he would be the strongest warrior which says a lot of gogeta to actually hang with him let alone stomp him
SSB Gogeta, also because of that sweet SH action figure, that shit looks so epic lol Also, just throwing in a question, in the current timeline (after the Broly movie and all), if Gohan started to train alongside Goku and Vegeta, would he manage to catch up to them quickly and become more powerful than them, or would it take some time because he really isn't used to training (hopefully he has after the ToP tho :/) Happy holidays Geek, have a great New Year's as well :D
Spoiler My favorite scene that I saw was when gogeta is in his super Saiyan form elbows broly in the gut and then slams his foot against the side of his face. Either that or when he drops that massive volley of ki blast in the lava area
I can imagine Beerus and Champa getting drunk one day and grabbing Broly and Kale and throwing them into the void world where the top took place to place bets on who’d win lmao
Actually its more like Krillin vs Frieza since SSJB struggles with Ultimate Gohan who was weaker than Piccolo a day prior wile the weakest version of GT Base Goku trashes (SSJ) Ultimate Gohan.
@@hyperrunner8531 "A stronger gohan from Super fighting goku to a weaker gohan from GT fighting goku" Also when and where was blue "struggling" against gohan he literally took TWO blows from him. Ssj4 on the other hand actually WILL struggle against blue
@@darke216 Gohan did better against SSJB Goku than Goku did against Gohan, he upper cutted him and won the trade of blows then forced Goku to need to go beyond his limits by using kaioken. That is the definition of a struggle, they are factually close to the same strength, that's what this battle tells us objectively, that Goku needed power above his limits to tip the scale in his favor, remember Gohan never asked for kaioken. Why do you say SSJ4 will struggle against blue like you actually have any idea of how strong SSJ4 is, where is your evidece? Have you analyzed the entirety of GT to know how strong GT Goku is? You're just basing it on, the whole iconography of SSJ4 being the strong form in GT, and SSJB being the strong form of super, and making that fan rivalry between them, you're not actually delving into deeper facts about how strong GT Goku even is, and how his base power grows tremendously throughout the series. Gohan went from being weaker than Piccolo to being SSJB level in one day, Trunks went from Dabura level to SSJB level with no training, in GT these characters could never catrch up to SSJ4 even with 5 years of training, they are that dwarfed by it because they are also dwarfed by GT Goku's base form, Ultimate Gohan is waaaaay stronger than DBS Goku's base. GT Goku>>>>SSJB.
@@hyperrunner8531 I mean, Goku was also holding back, it's a far stretch to say that he was "Struggling", and Gohan even knew that Goku wasn't at his full power. If we're talking full power. Blue > over GT SSJ4 is still an ordinary transformation, while it isn't possible to harness the power of Blue by ones self.
@@hyperrunner8531 but didn't gohan ask for goku's FULL STRENGTH which included the kaioken so no goku was only forced into kaioken because gohan ASKED for it. You need to look at it from both fighters perspective. Gohan was strong enough to trade blows with goku but at the same time goku didn't need to put SO much effort into defeating gohan. Also it was stated and shown in the Super from the RoF arc that gohan has been training with piccolo again from the beginning to where he is now. Trunks literally had whole episodes of him training with both goku AND vegeta. We've never seen anybody in GT shown to be doing the slightest form of training. Goku only gets stronger due to asspull power ups he gets after defeating every opponent and that's it. We see Super characters push there limits and grow stronger hell goku and vegeta were training with an ANGEL(the same one who taught beerus) for the majority of Super. So GT charcters couldn't do jack shit to Super characters due to the lack of training everyone(minus goku) got.
I'm not going to lie Gogeta blue is one of my favorite characters but for some reason I think Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta is just the coolest strongest transformation ever but he's too cocky that's what led to his downfall against Omega Shenron and I think that's what would lead to his downfall against Gogeta blue who is a very serious character
Gogeta ssj4 was serious too he was taunting Omega to use the negative karma ball on him and clean up the Earth, he was giving of some off his energy to the negative ball by kicking it. After that he went straight for the kill but didn’t have enough time.
Z Goku & Vegeta, Super Goku & Vegeta, GT Goku & Vegeta are distinctive enough in personality that their fusions has small differences that make them stand apart from one another.
As someone with a mathematics and physics background, every time I hear universal or dimensional or galaxy- level used in power scaling, my brain and heart just break. Love the content, I love the shows, but dear lord, just no. Pls, PLS. Also, PLS. Speed of light, noooo
@@walkerred8220 They do?!?!? Wait that makes sense, its only used to calculate stuff because everything in this universe is so dang hard to calculate into something simple, so people use physics, take it as a version of power scaling
I think your forgetting tha gogeta was trolling omega for a reason, he needed to get rid of the negative energy covering the sky, as soon as he did this, he got serious with a big bang kamehameha, i recall him saying "theres only one thing left undone, big bang kamehameha!"
Broly isnt the strongest. As much as I hate him, Jiren is the strongest in Super. Goku had to go MUI and still couldn't do it. He didnt even use that against Broly
I feel like gogeta in GT is like 2 gokus fused together (gokus not seriousness in story being multiplied) while super gogeta had vegeta seriousness and I loved it
The Super Sayain 4 design and concept is just so amazing. It really takes the idea of the Sayain back to its roots and I really think they should bring it back and expand upon it.
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Gogeta wins lol.
Lmao fake
Nah fam I say Gogeta stomps
Yea man, as much as I love super and immense excitement I get from all the potential ahead,there’s a special nostalgia for Ss4 Gogeta bro..
@Low-Class Saiyan Vegoku(Veh Joh Kuh) I believe
Gogeta will shitstomp Gogeta
In My Opinion:
Power - *Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta*
Design - *Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta*
@@Mad_Beefs better than hair dye🤷🏽♂️
Gogeta SSJ4 looks like trash, like why is his fur and color in reverse? Literally made no sense.
@@TheDriipkage ssj is better
@@Mad_Beefs Super Saiyan 4 has a better design in Super Saiyan blue because Super Saiyan 4 is its own design in general and not just that but it's actually cool whereas Super Saiyan blue is trying to be Super Saiyan but in its own way.
@@Mad_Beefs also the form is not trash even in terms of power it's not trash if you lowball Super Saiyan blue then Super Saiyan 4 would be at least as powerful as that. But in terms of design it's the best transformation that Goku and Vegeta have at least in my opinion.
I guess we moved on from *Gogeta vs Vegito* too
*Gogeta vs Gogeta* lol 😂
does geekdom hire the actual voice actors for the intro?
Lol
Well Akira Toriyama did officially state that both fusions are equal in strength, so that topic is pretty much settled
@@M3rtyville It's pretty much stated in previous Dragon Ball news both in google and in youtube, you could just search it for yourself
@@dbzMoe i'm curious as well. 🤔
Sorry man,but Gogeta will obviously win.
Bro are you dumb? Gogeta will beat him so easily
I think ur wrong chief gogeta stomps
@@ZMB_21 I’m from the future, they had an official animation about this fight and I’m sorry to tell you boys but Gogeta won easily...
@@saken8076 nah im from far future and sorry gogeta win with ssj
Bro your stupid gogeta will lose
Sparkles vs Blues Clues.
Basically
Spongebob vs Patrick
I agree. And Those are Gogeta forms:
Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan 4
Super Saiyan God
&
Super Saiyan Blue
That would be the most deadly battle in history Goku ui couldn’t stand a chance 😂😂😂
Stripper names be like
You two have forgotten an important fact about why GT Gogeta was more clownish than the broly counterpart and i hope you address this in your next video. If you noticed in GT the reason why Gogeta was playing with Omega was so he could get him to use his ultimate attack the Negative Karma Ball so he could use that attack against the poison he set on the earth. Once it was cleared Gogeta immediately tried to vaperize Omega twice with the Big Bang Kamehameha only failing the second time because of the time limit. I like your vids but if you are gonna make ones like these please look at all the facts. SSJ4 Gogeta's behavior was out of him needing Omega to be pissed to the point of destroying the earth. All in all its the same Gogeta just a different form
ThaKang 4Life Kinda like how vegito was messing with buu to get him to absorb him.
@@chanchitojr3398 It's EXACTLY like that, there was a reason Gogeta SSJ4 was very similar to Vegito attitude wise in comparison to his more serious attitude in the movie, it was obviously a act to get Omega Shenron pissed enough to use his most powerful attack so he could turn it into positive energy to save the world.
Was it ever implied or mentioned that gogeta was purposely playing with omega? I dont remember that really being said
@@osvaldo5069 Did you even WATCH the fight? Its very obvious that was his goal since the negative energy was going to spread and destroy the world, even if Gogeta killed shenron the earth still would have been destroyed by the effects of the negative energy. The entire point of Gogeta toying with him was to get him to release another negative energy ball so he could kick and and turn it into positive energy that exploded and eliminated the negative energy, after he got serious and was going to kill him before his time ran out, its blatantly obvious to anyone who watched and understood that fight what his goal was.
Go cry to your mama
GT Gogeta was the original Super Saiyan God.
Edit: It was a joke
MVO Javari his hair color
PRL 412 AND Goku had the power of Gohan, Goten, Trunks & Pan. Four Saiyans. THEN Goku Fused with Vegeta so Goku's powers merged with Vegeta, a fifth Saiyan.
MVO Javari dude STFU the original comment was just a joke. Don’t take shit so seriously
MVO Javari
Primal Evolutionary Power>>>>>>God Power.
Nice seeing u again dude
Gogeta SSJ4 looks more badass because of the ape hair. SSB Gogeta looks cooler and more slicker
That's a very good explanation, ones like the cool guy with shades and slicked back hair, the other is a leather jacket, tattoos, long hair hahah
Gogeta Blue is an insult for the Orginal one
@@royal.1359 an insult to you and only you and people like you but no one else
@@CoolOkay_ DBS is a very bad parody show with weak characters, so yes it's an insult to the original
@@royal.1359 but the majority says it's alright so I'd say it continues pretty okay, gt is the worst of both of them
SSJ4 Gogeta looks more godly than SSB Gogeta.
Yes, imo i hope they make it cannon
frank luis
But how?
SSjBlue is a stronger form then SSj4
@@75JUNAKI SSJ4 hasn't been introduced in Super, doesn't mean it won't ever happen. If they decide to make it canon like they made Broly canon, and SSJ4 becomes a thing - then SSJ4 Gogeta will for sure be stronger than blue, because new form beats old form every time in DB logic. i.e: Blue better than God which was better than any SSJ form, but UI better than Blue etc...
LionHeartNoMercy true ssj4 might be better balance as well so yeah
LionHeartNoMercy wut? Blue is stronger than God because blue is a SS version of God
The thing you forget to mention was that Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta was making jokes to get Omega Shenron to use his Negative Energy Ball so Gogeta could kick it back into a Positive Energy Ball to rid the Earth of the negative Energy the Shenrons had caused. The moment that happened, Gogeta took the fight seriously, but at that point it was too late.
I forgot that, thanks man
Wait,so ss4 Gogeta has to kick Omega Shenrons negative attack but when he kicks it it turns positive? So why didn't he just make his own positive energy ball? If ss4 Gogeta is that much stronger than Omega,surely he didn't need Omega to do his own attack. Wtf.
Arguement,disassembled. Avengers pun intended😅
Jeremy Unchangco watch GT he explained how he needed his negative energy because it’s not just plain old negative energy, remember his negative energy was going to spread throwout the entire universe, he wanted to make sure he had an opportunity to change all the negative energy at once.
@@BluuDemon I watched GT as much as the next guy growing up. Had DVD copies of every GT episode. No,when omega made the karma negative ball or whatever,he said the negative energy from humanity gave him the power to make the negative karma ball. When Gogeta kicked it,he told Omega that when he made first contact with the negative ball,he overflooded it with his own positive energy. Therefore overcoming all humanities negative energy with his own since Gogeta is by far stronger than anyone on the earth. He clearly could've made his own positive energy and throw it to the sky if he's that much more powerful than Omega people say he is. But we'll just agree to disagree.
Personally I'll take Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta. Just like the look more and love that episode of GT.
Bryan Kruse really, gogeta vs shenron was so boring though, literally nothing happens.
I liked the episode. Gogeta turned a shenrons evil energy into a world restoring life energy essentially.
Alex Mansfield
That’s your opinion.
@@Gorypaladin346 Boring? Wym
Alex Mansfield, Gogeta humiliated Omega Shenron. Sure it wasnt an epic fight but it was hilarious and still awesome.
"OH MY GOD HE'S SO GODDAMN COOL!!"
Yes but its not IN-SAIYAN
I always interpreted SSJ4 Gogeta's playfulness as a ploy to rid the earth of all the negative energy that Omega & the rest of the shadow dragons had released on the world. Because once Omega launched that negative death ball move, Gogeta not only deflected it, but also polarized the energy to a positive frequency, thus dispelling all the negative energies encasing the Earth. After that, he got serious & was preparing to end him. Too bad he didn't know that his fusion was only 10mins because of how great his power was. If we disregard all that & look at the truth, Gogeta in GT only showed up for fan-service, rather than being written to further the plot or or anything marginally constructive.
He could've landed good blows on omega shenron to make him weak then taunt omega so he would be easier to deal with when they unfused or omega might get desperate after a good beating then send that energy ball
@@insertnamehere658 makes sense but that isn't what happened and that's not what the writers wanted, it was supposed to be similar to what vegito did against buuhan when he wanted to be absorbed to save everyone he absorbed before.
1:47 "We've never seen somebody hang in there so long against a fusion before”
*Merged Zamasu*
Am I a joke to you???
Yes cuz his power was bull shit.
Merged Zamazu is a Fusion himself
@@zyanego3170 Ultra Instinct Goku?
@@J.C.117 huh?
In the manga he was getting annihilated
Blue Gogeta takes the cake for me, very narrowly. SSJ4 Gogeta though is way more unique and looks 10x cooler.
Exactly I would put ssj4 gogeta is post God ritual goku at best not giving him higher
@@shido_rimru_ I disagree Super Saiyan 4 Goku is as strong as Super Saiyan God Goku well he's not stronger because Super Saiyan God it's like Super Saiyan 3 Vegito at full power as for Super Saiyan 4 Goku he's like bass Vegito and when he goes Ultra you he went full power in Super Saiyan 4 form that's like super Vegito I guess when they become Gogeta I say he's as strong as Super Saiyan blue Goku or Vegeta from RoF
SSJ4 gogeta look cool, but I didn't like how they basically turned GOgeta into vegito by giving him a goofy personality instead of the serious personality that gogeta is supposed to have.
@@User_Here414 nah. Ssjg > ssj4 because of god ki. It was confirmed
@@bobongpinoypolice6436 it was never confirmed and it not because of God ki i think gt is stronger now but old me thought otherwise
People must’ve not seen what GOGETA blue did to Broly
NOD_MAKO poor guy lost the moment Gogeta went Blue lol
Christian Astorga exactly like GOGETA literally beat the shit outta Broly
NOD_MAKO Duh.. It's not online and we can't make it to Japan. I mean it is online but it's in crappy quality. Nobody wants to watch the movie like that
We won’t see it till January so........yeah.
ElectroBlastLuigi I’ve watched it online, 7/10 quality but I adjusted. Unpopular opinion but they made the final fight very difficult to follow. It was very chaotic
Power: Blue
Design: Your choice.
Correct.
Design: SSJ4 easily it’s a fact
@@ggamesgarner8027 not really a fact bro. Just personal opinion.
That's a fact
Blue gogeta wins bcz ssj4 gogeta has not one thing tht makes him look like his fusion reborn counterpart
SS4 Gogeta is the original godly power of dragonball
Smh....
Dokkan Master
It’s true,
SS4 is not even canon wtf are you talking about dumbass
@I Know All it's been stated multiple times that DBS is part of the main timeline. Unlike GT, which is it's own thing. Toriyama just hadn't come up with those ideas when making the original Dragon Ball manga
SSJ OVER 9000 dragon ball doesn’t have a canon
i love when you and Mj collab, best fusion ever.
I came here after the Gogeta Super Saiyan 4 Dragon Ball FighterZ trailer where the Gogetas were fighting and it ended with both using a Kamehameha attack that shoots up into the heavens leaving it up to the players to determine who won.
Well to be fair during GT by having SS4 Gogeta vs Omega Shenron it wasn't much of a competition to begin with. Omega was completely out classed since he wasn't able to lay a finger on SS4 Gogeta and he probably could have killed Omega easily so you really can't estimate SS4 Gogeta power based off a a fight it his opponent was out classed to begin with.
By the start of GT base form Goku was already stronger than Fat buu so in actually the first season arc GT Goku in base form is stronger than first season arc Goku Super in base form.
Gogeta ssj4 could’ve killed him with one finger and literally kicked omegas attack away with ease and changed the attack entirely lol
@Maggiee Buuhan isn't a universe buster. He showed no feats of destroying it meanwhile ssg Goku has
@@J.C.117 it's stated when he was raging he could have destroyed the universe meaning yes he is
Goku in BoG states that even Vegito isn't enough for Beerus. He says this like he is talking about Vegito at his max, so hypothetical Ss3 Vegito.
Base Vegito= Buuhan.
Ss3 Vegito= 400x Buuhan.
So high balled base Gt Goku is 400x weaker than Ss3 Vegito fron Buu arc.
Even if we lowball Ssg, it's still stronger than Base Gt Goku, and probably stronger than Ssj3 Gt Goku.
Then Goku absorbs SsG to it's base. And goes Ssj. In RoF, Beerus says that he surpassed himself from BoG. And it's base Goku. So:
Ssj3 Vegito= Ssj3 Gt Goku= Ssg Goku(BoG)(lowball)
Ssj Goku(BoG)(Ssg Absorbed)= 50x Ssj3 Gt Goku
Base Goku(RoF)= 50x Ssj3 Gt Goku= 1/2 Ssj4 Goku
Ssb Goku(RoF)(lowball)= 2000000x Ss3 Gt Goku= 2000x Ssj4 Goku
So RoF Goku stomps Ssj4, and probably Ss4 Gogeta. And it's lowball for Ssb.
@@wackyhobopizzaguy9269 that is cap
I prefer SS4 Gogeta and SSB Vegito when it comes to Goku/Vegeta fusions.
Nerfing Potara was stupid, the only real advantage of that fusion now is that it's instantaneous and not hampered by the coordination of the fusion dance.
@@limitbreakingsubliminals7659 lol of course
@@limitbreakingsubliminals7659 potara post nerf has a bigger inconsistency issue
Nerfing the potara actually is the reason I stopped watching super until the last 5 episodes... there is a point where enough is enough when it comes to screwing up the old canon.
Limit Breaking Subliminals ikr. They knew what they were doing. They only showed images of vegito during the trailer even though he only appeared for 7 minutes. Even I could have written a better ending to this arc. Instead of shitty filler arcs, it could have been the story of vegito finally meeting the z fighters, fight beerus, then wish to be unfused. Why make the fans happy when you can blue ball them instead.
The potara retcon actually made sense
SSJ4 Gogetas reveal was the best reveal of all time
Change my mind
Boy,super revealed Arale.
@@OneKind671 Boy, Z revealed Farmer with a Shotgun.
@@OneKind671 Wasn't Arale in Dragon Ball?
@@batfreeze56 yeah in the original in a movie
arale was in the original dragon ball
I only followed Dragon Ball when I was little. And I really remember my favorite character at that time.
He was really cool, ssj4 gogeta always in my memories.
gogeta blue and dbs in general scales waaaaayyy higher than gt, so id say that gogeta blue wins
in terms of design, id say that while i really like gogeta blues simplistic design and sick aura, id say that ssj4 gogeta is way cooler in design
exactly
What about xeno 4 gogeta vs xeno blue gogeta from heroes
@@kierandynamo3123 not canon
@@hamsasheikhdon5336 i know but it would be a cool battle but you are right heroes isnt canon
@@kierandynamo3123 tru it would be cool
I was waiting for this
You know whats real cool? Ive supported your voice and contribution to the db community and the truth you have always brought it. What is cool is i also get entertainment out of this. Whats totally amazing is to see someone grow over the last 3 years into some one so highly regarded he mentioned by sean him self. Even if ill always prefer tge japanese cast. What a journey you have traveled D. Its something to be very proud of.
An old fan of the channel.
We'll meet Ultra Instinct Gogeta soon!
lol I hope not
@@swade2108 yeah that's to op
@@MAR-sc7np but u know how the opponents always get stronger so prob one day they will need UI gogeta XD
@@zeynadiarra658 no one but the angels are stronger than regular ui goku so what makes you think someone would be stronger then a ui fusion
@@MAR-sc7np well we wouldn't know, we haven't seen an angles limit yet
I think gogeta blue didn't defuse because of that pocket dimension thing. Time could function differently in a different dimension, maybe even granted him more time
Well, now you can have this scenario in FighterZ
Dude I love your videos so much
The fact that broly could be soo much stronger with god ki just scares me, I'm glad i don't live in the dragonball universe😂😂😂
I wouldn't stand a chance against the original Destructo disc..
Comming from Krillen.. With like.. 3k power at the time when he was relevant .
Fuck the rest. The sayin saga would have did me in.
Yamcha was the prime example..
That humans
Humans are fucked...
I honestly still prefer SSJ4 Gogeta, because he's got more than SSJ Blue.
ssj4 gogeta > ssj blue gogeta
@@coconut412 your are even stupider if u think that XD gogeta ssj4 is LIMITLESS in terms of power, he beats all of them, god , blue wtv. wtf dont u get about that, its impossible to beat him.
FlechFisher lol i am stupidier lol you cant spell are you sure you are making claims with no proof and ssj4 is a x10 of ssj3 so x4000 and ssg is at least x50 ssj3 so multiplier would be 20000 and ssb is x 50 so 1000000 times base so are you sure a x4000 is stronger no shut up you just cant accept the fact ssb and ssg destroys ssj4
Dank memester yeah even SSG would destroy ss4 but ss4 looks cooler at least
@@FlechFisher sorry not sorry super Saiyan god shits on ss4 , blue finger flicks him
This is really good video keep it up
SSJ4 will always be my favorite SSJ form. The design is so unique and bad ass. Wish it was canon.
Agreed man, it's so cool.
It's still canon far as I'm concerned.
GT is not canon unfortunately
@@jasonone8726 It was never cannon but ss4 is cannon because of bs dragon hero's
So ss4 isn't b.s. .
But
Dragons hero's is..
So
Ss4
Is
An achievable state..
It's just not as important as the new states..
Which are more on the forms of ki than the shape of the body
@@joshuablackmon939 Heroes Is Not canon Wtf It Is an Promotional Anime
If you guys haven't yet I am sure it's still on TH-cam but someone puts the top arc in real time it's a fun video and really shows how fast these characters are moving and fighting
Finally gogeta vs gogeta been waiting for this for a long time
That's easy! Gogeta wins!
Both Gogetas are awesome but I go with SSJ4 Gogeta because design and most important nostalgia.
Basing it on nostalgia isnt fair dont you think? Im a fan of GT ss4 design was way better but ssb is stronger than ss4
@@charles9554 "this is better than that because nostalgia!" i hate those people.
Orange Sun remember when dumbass thought ssj4 gogeta could take on Zeno? Now we know that even ssjb goku can shit on ssj4 gogeta
@@destroyersfist695 yeah no
@@poison5343 tf u mean “yeah no”? Do you genuinely think Ssj4 gogeta stands a chance agains end of TOP blue goku? No kioken or anything.
It would be cool if Gogeta and Vegito were their own person once the fusion happened like a different mindset and everything not just Goku and vegeta brainstorming together
Ik!
I can already see it now..!! Goku and Broly *FUSING!!!!* Imagine the sight we get to behold!
Broku or... Karoly.
Never...
Kale and broly have a baby
Damn it sucks not being able to listen to the channel bc every chat has Broly spoilers in it just about. But keep up the good work bro, Tampa in the house!
Everybody who is saying SSJ4 gets stomped is missing the fact that SSJ4 and SSJB is portrayed as equals in Heroes and games(the only sources we can go off). Personally I'm going with SSJ4 Gogeta, he was so op that he turned a Kamehameha into confetti to troll a universe buster.
D3MON G4NG TV Blue defeated SSJ4 in the Heroes manga though
D3MON G4NG TV We're using Heroes to based our opinion now?
@@mudirkabir3839 he didn't i read it after the fight ssj4 goku just disappeared he didn't lose.
To be fair, the Goku who fought SSB Goku is Xeno Goku, who has already absorbed Super Saiyan God form prior to the events of GT.
@@mudirkabir3839 he didnt lol the manga confirmed xeno goku was not at full power and the arcade stated that ssj4 is a stronger transformation but he lost because ssjb goku and ssjb beat where ganging up on him
Super saiyan blue gogeta vs ui goku would be nice
Dileeka Dasanayake GOGETA wins
are you slow?
It's been stated any form of ui goku beats all fusions
Charles Stanford
I think you’re underestimating the boost UI gives.
Ultra instinct’s boost should be at the very least equal to the fusion boost.
Ultra instinct omen alone was strong enough to make beginning of ToP Goku who by his own admission was rusty from lack of serious training strong enough to fight on the levels of SSB Vegito from the previous arc.
MUI is so much more powerful than UIO to the point where someone who had the advantage against UIO was completely outclassed by MUI.
It will definitely not be an easy fight if the two of them were from the same arc.
MUI stomps
Gogeta blue is the strongest fusion we’ve seen so far including vegito/gogeta ss4. Gogeta blue is stronger than gogeta 4. I watched the movie and I loved it.
Vegito blue is stronger if they were fused with the same Goku and Vegeta
jordan johnson oh well I said gogeta blue is the strongest fusion because gogeta blue from the dbs Broly movie is stronger than goku black saga vegito blue. But yes if they fuse at the same time gogeta and vegito are now equals, before in dbz vegito was stronger.
Wrong. It's SS4 Gogeta if you don't count Heros
Vegito would be stronger tho considering that the fusion dance is weaker
Wasn’t that retconned lol?
Some people fail to take into account how going ssj4 affects a saiyan's personality. Goku said it himself that he would tend to let his saiyan nature take over and lose reason. The whole reason Gogeta prolonged the fight and joked around was to provoke Omega to shoot out a negative karma ball. When Gogeta kicked it he turned all the negative energy on earth into positive energy. Also, when you look at Gogeta's design/character, it mostly resembles Sun Wukong, who GOKU is based off of.
John Owasoyo your point?
@@destroyersfist695 And just like that, after 2 years and still no answer.
Basically
MUI >> UI > SSBE >>> SSB >> SSG =~SS4
SSB Gogeta is much stronger than SS4 Gogeta
Stop the cap ssj4 gogeta will dog shit gogeta blue
@Wobbuffet True
@@s6ixsxnse204 Literally no facts to back this up.
Listening to you guys talk about this movie makes me all the more excited to see it. Can’t wait for it to get released in my country.
I love GT, but Super characters are on a whole other level.
You underestimate GT characters
Because Super power scaling is a bit odd. Like android 17 is the same level as ssj blue.
Not really if we go by the statements from battle of gods then ssj2 gt goku would beat beerus. As of now there is no offucial statement for ssjb being stronger than ssj4
@@danielmedjedovic7068 17 isn't on the same level, the only reason he was able to hit Jiren, was bc 17 can't be sensed. That unique android ability was pretty clutch in the end.
@@johnnykilroy3737 the problem is GT character generally have no feats while characters from Super can literally crack universes by like punching each other..
Here comes the Most controversial Topic of the DBZ Community, Next to SS4 Vegito vs SSB VegitoSS4 Goku vs SSB Goku, and SS4 Vegeta vs SSB Vegeta.
This oughta be fun.
SS4 Vegito vs SSB Vegito would be a cool discussion video. I'd watch that.
I like your profile Pic
@@coldfireball6384 Who's Pic?
Damn Geekdom, I watch your videos as soon as I can, but this time around i feel like ive missed out on like 10 videos cause alot of em contain spoilers lmao. I'll be back Wednesday night though, im most excited about the discussion joint. Much love, from boring OHIO,
-Devin-
Gogeta is strong but gogeta is also strong in my opinion gogeta is a little stronger than gogeta so I’m going to go with gogeta
XD
GT Gogeta didn’t even fight. Typical GT fights.
He didn't have to, he could've destroyed Omega with one finger.
He was that badass OP that he owned without fighting
@@hyperrunner8531 😂😂😂😂😂I can't with you😂At least you didn't make a long ass rant like you always do😂😅
@@OneKind671 Dude, what is it with you and stalking me in every thread? If you wanted my autograph so badly you should've asked, now you're not getting one 😂
@@OneKind671 But it's true tho, watch GT Episode 60 in japanese.
_Design wise, while both are great, I gotta give it to SSj 4 Gogeta, Power wise, SSj Blue is wins hands down._
if you ever played Dragon Ball FighterZ you would know adult Gohan plainly says ssj4 Gogeta is the strongest power he's ever sensed. That game includes ssj blue Gogeta and ultra instinct goku
@@micahben-avraham5635 i Told You Gohan Can't Sense mui Gokus Power and Gogetas Power and It Non Canon
@@micahben-avraham5635 Gohan cannot sense God Ki and FighterZ is just a video game and has its own timeline like Heroes and Xenoverse
@@micahben-avraham5635 Kinda like saying Vegito Blue in Dokkan omnipotent just because his title is [Azure Omnipotence]. Cuz Dokkan includes SS4 Gogeta and stuff.
I get chills thinking about broly vs jiren
One reason why I loved SSB Gogeta way more than SSJ4 Gogeta was the attacks that he used that looked so cool! He had this Ki blast barrage rain attack, he had this Ki blast barrage attack that he did when he set up his arms like he was about to do the Final Flash, he had the Stardust Breaker/Soul Punisher, he had this single punch that would trap the opponent in some sort of electrical energy, and he had this Ki blast barrage attack that came out of the ground, and his pose for that attack looked like a Super Explosive Wave. SSB Gogeta was just a straight-up badass in this movie!
Tbh in the movie, after Gogeta turns blue, broly didn’t even land a hit on him so I feel like broly doesn’t stand a chance at all for now
Big Bang Kamehameha obviously stomps
Stardust Breaker is better. Final Kamehameha is better. Almost anything is better than it.
@@sethurott9927 Big Bang Kamehameha is way better and cooler than Final Kamehameha which looks basically like a normal Kamehameha.
This channel is on life support
The body shots from gogeta didn't turn the tide... gogeta was winning the second he entered the fight. Yes he had to increase his power to maintain that advantage but atleast in the movie it was always gogeta who was winning...
Now possible in FighterZ!
Can we all just take a second to appreciate that GLORIOUS intro!!!
Goku: Vegeta your wife and children could die!
Vegeta: Kakarot, what about yours?
Goku: My what?
why did I heard TFS VA while reading this?!.
I did to LOL!
Anyone with a brain : ssb gogeta
Any one that watches itsanimegirl : ssj4 gogeta
itsanimegirl does not know what's the flip she's talking about........but I still think ssj4 gogeta stomps
@@swade2108 biggest cap
I always wanted to see a video like this
Broly was stated by frieza if he took control of his full power super saiyan then he would be the strongest warrior which says a lot of gogeta to actually hang with him let alone stomp him
Bruh gt slaps in coolness factor
Not when it comes to gogeta blue
SSB Gogeta, also because of that sweet SH action figure, that shit looks so epic lol
Also, just throwing in a question, in the current timeline (after the Broly movie and all), if Gohan started to train alongside Goku and Vegeta, would he manage to catch up to them quickly and become more powerful than them, or would it take some time because he really isn't used to training (hopefully he has after the ToP tho :/) Happy holidays Geek, have a great New Year's as well :D
_Gogeta fans Where y’all At?_
Here lmao
Vegito better
@@zestyy9982 the door is that way
@@zestyy9982
Then you're in the wrong room going to that one
@@Moth-ManRemasters
Really?
Ssj4 is my favorite transformation but it looks kind of wierd on Gogeta. Plus, Gogeta blue is way cooler to me.
Dude seeing you at almost 600k is just great
With Broly's ikaru! Form with his tail! To you believe we'll see Goku/Vegeta get back there tails in DBS future? And do you want that?
JJEDI1990 L wtf broly doesn’t have a tail
Paragus literally says that he cut off Broly's tail.
Spoiler
My favorite scene that I saw was when gogeta is in his super Saiyan form elbows broly in the gut and then slams his foot against the side of his face.
Either that or when he drops that massive volley of ki blast in the lava area
Probly my favorite 2 transformations in dragon ball history my fav SSJ 4 Gogeta & my 2nd Gogeta Blue & Z 💪🏽🔥 Please Make SSJ 4 Canon
I like design of gogeta ssj4 better but gogeta blue is the badass fusion you know what I'm "saiyan"
Better design definitely SSJ4 Gogeta! But power and Aura SSB Gogeta takes that!
Merged Zamasu hung in there pretty well against Vegito, even getting the best of him a couple of times.
SS4 Gogeta will always be King! I got give a damn about Hair color changes!!!
What’s next Purple hair be Super Saiyan God 2 Deluxe?!
Deluxe tf😂😂
*...uh....Let me watch the video before ranting*
Lord Omega I don’t understand the question though Gogeta Blue wins in everything except for the opinion of which you like more
I can't even do that because he spoils the movie I'd rather UNSUBSCRIBE than watch this video 👌🏿
Rushaun Ikari he literally WARNED us about the spoilers before he delivered them. Idk what the problem is
@@rushaunj good no one wants your allau akbar ass here
FinalSlayer *Eh, that's debatable.*
I can imagine Beerus and Champa getting drunk one day and grabbing Broly and Kale and throwing them into the void world where the top took place to place bets on who’d win lmao
Let's be honest. Ssj4 Gogeta vs Blue Gogeta is like Omega shenron vs Ssj4 Gogeta, but far worse.
Actually its more like Krillin vs Frieza since SSJB struggles with Ultimate Gohan who was weaker than Piccolo a day prior wile the weakest version of GT Base Goku trashes (SSJ) Ultimate Gohan.
@@hyperrunner8531
"A stronger gohan from Super fighting goku to a weaker gohan from GT fighting goku"
Also when and where was blue "struggling" against gohan he literally took TWO blows from him. Ssj4 on the other hand actually WILL struggle against blue
@@darke216 Gohan did better against SSJB Goku than Goku did against Gohan, he upper cutted him and won the trade of blows then forced Goku to need to go beyond his limits by using kaioken. That is the definition of a struggle, they are factually close to the same strength, that's what this battle tells us objectively, that Goku needed power above his limits to tip the scale in his favor, remember Gohan never asked for kaioken.
Why do you say SSJ4 will struggle against blue like you actually have any idea of how strong SSJ4 is, where is your evidece? Have you analyzed the entirety of GT to know how strong GT Goku is? You're just basing it on, the whole iconography of SSJ4 being the strong form in GT, and SSJB being the strong form of super, and making that fan rivalry between them, you're not actually delving into deeper facts about how strong GT Goku even is, and how his base power grows tremendously throughout the series. Gohan went from being weaker than Piccolo to being SSJB level in one day, Trunks went from Dabura level to SSJB level with no training, in GT these characters could never catrch up to SSJ4 even with 5 years of training, they are that dwarfed by it because they are also dwarfed by GT Goku's base form, Ultimate Gohan is waaaaay stronger than DBS Goku's base.
GT Goku>>>>SSJB.
@@hyperrunner8531 I mean, Goku was also holding back, it's a far stretch to say that he was "Struggling", and Gohan even knew that Goku wasn't at his full power.
If we're talking full power.
Blue > over GT
SSJ4 is still an ordinary transformation, while it isn't possible to harness the power of Blue by ones self.
@@hyperrunner8531 but didn't gohan ask for goku's FULL STRENGTH which included the kaioken so no goku was only forced into kaioken because gohan ASKED for it.
You need to look at it from both fighters perspective. Gohan was strong enough to trade blows with goku but at the same time goku didn't need to put SO much effort into defeating gohan.
Also it was stated and shown in the Super from the RoF arc that gohan has been training with piccolo again from the beginning to where he is now. Trunks literally had whole episodes of him training with both goku AND vegeta. We've never seen anybody in GT shown to be doing the slightest form of training. Goku only gets stronger due to asspull power ups he gets after defeating every opponent and that's it. We see Super characters push there limits and grow stronger hell goku and vegeta were training with an ANGEL(the same one who taught beerus) for the majority of Super. So GT charcters couldn't do jack shit to Super characters due to the lack of training everyone(minus goku) got.
I really looove SSJ4 Gogeta! ♥
I just can't stand the new godly saiyan levels with red or blue hair. I think that's just stupid and unimaginative.
Thank you.
I'm not going to lie Gogeta blue is one of my favorite characters but for some reason I think Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta is just the coolest strongest transformation ever but he's too cocky that's what led to his downfall against Omega Shenron and I think that's what would lead to his downfall against Gogeta blue who is a very serious character
Gogeta ssj4 was serious too he was taunting Omega to use the negative karma ball on him and clean up the Earth, he was giving of some off his energy to the negative ball by kicking it. After that he went straight for the kill but didn’t have enough time.
Gang Gang
Spider gang
Z Goku & Vegeta, Super Goku & Vegeta, GT Goku & Vegeta are distinctive enough in personality that their fusions has small differences that make them stand apart from one another.
The one thing that made me hate GT less was super being made. It can always get worse my dudes.
GT > super. SS4 > red/blue/rainbow transformations
azureskies01 SSJB shits on anyone in gt, change my mind(I’m talking about power instead of design)
@@destroyersfist695 if more power makes series better then original DB is the worst by ur logic💀
Shashank Shukla that’s not what I said though, I said they are stronger not better, but I do think super is superior to gt
As someone with a mathematics and physics background, every time I hear universal or dimensional or galaxy- level used in power scaling, my brain and heart just break. Love the content, I love the shows, but dear lord, just no. Pls, PLS. Also, PLS. Speed of light, noooo
It’s fiction, I’d recommend staying away from comics
Its fiction, don’t take science as applied to everything
I would love to, if people stopped using physics to power scale
@@walkerred8220 They do?!?!? Wait that makes sense, its only used to calculate stuff because everything in this universe is so dang hard to calculate into something simple, so people use physics, take it as a version of power scaling
I think that Kamehameha was for the kill and not to “win”. Gogeta didn’t want to do it but felt he had to. There was conviction in that attack
i like blue gogeta more in design to be honest
Lol same
Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta is definitely stronger, but ssj4 looks fancy
Why definetly? Ssj4 gogeta has never goed all out
@@derecksantiago7019 he is stronger. Go all out? Bruhh😂🤣
Please not this lazy argument
@@bradznkw I mean he doesn't know his potential to say that he "definetly" Loses to ssjb Gogeta
@@derecksantiago7019 So Ss3 doesnt lose to Ss4 gogeta, because we have never seen him before?
@@bradznkw you're probably stupid or acting
I think your forgetting tha gogeta was trolling omega for a reason, he needed to get rid of the negative energy covering the sky, as soon as he did this, he got serious with a big bang kamehameha, i recall him saying "theres only one thing left undone, big bang kamehameha!"
Blue gogeta its stronger then GT Gogeta since broly is the strongest character in super
GT Gogeta is stronger than Blue Gogeta since Omega is the strongest character in GT
Nice logic
Broly isnt the strongest. As much as I hate him, Jiren is the strongest in Super. Goku had to go MUI and still couldn't do it. He didnt even use that against Broly
@@Jarrell444 Yeah, but Broly is the strongest saiyan.
@@Jarrell444 he almost did it if it wasn't for plot he would beat jrien
Man, I wish SS4 and SS4 Gogeta were canon. Come on, Akira Toriyama! Make it happen!
Broly movie made it canon but no ape transformation
Dustin Nunn thats never gonna happen
Dokkan Master
Never say never.
I feel like gogeta in GT is like 2 gokus fused together (gokus not seriousness in story being multiplied) while super gogeta had vegeta seriousness and I loved it
The Super Sayain 4 design and concept is just so amazing. It really takes the idea of the Sayain back to its roots and I really think they should bring it back and expand upon it.
How is this even a video? Blue is stronger like tf? Lmfao
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Needled worm : Cool story bro
Chilma : Fight me or you're grounded!
Power: Blue
Personality: Blue
Badassness: Blue
Fighting style: Blue
Design: Ssj4
Gogeta did take the L on vegito this year
How?
Came back stronger than him, came back in one of the best DB Movies to date, and was made canon.
@@peterparker8364 You got the names *wrong* you're second post is about *Gogeta* Lol
This comment has me confused lmao.
This is pretty confusing. How exactly did Gogeta take the L? unless you meant he took the W...