the press starts from the back. We need a strong leader at CB who is going to get that back 4 further up the pitch with urgency. At the moment we're lethargic at the back, we don't seem to have the confidence to leave space in behind. What I saw last game was Foden running his heart out trying to press whilst Stones is having a casual walk up the pitch 25 yards from our own goal
Excellent off rhe ball analysis. Nice to see a proposed solution instead of just critiquing what you see. It is very worrying how poor the pressing plan was, what gives hope is how easy it is to fix it. Look forward to the on the ball analysis. It was a bit weird the way TAA and Rice stayed on the same line when we had the ball. I know they are a doubke pivot, but surely you want to add depth to the options inside, when you have the ball. Unless they were staying in position ready to defend?
@drizzle952 yes that's what I thought. The evidence is clear when looking at last game. Played too deep and kept giving ball away signs of fatigue. Tactics are one thing, but if not fit or enough game time, they can't press well, except for first 15 to 30 minutes like in both games
That only happened from the 3rd game against Poland and 2nd rnd game against Paraguay. They were atrocious in first 2 games against Morocco and Portugal. Forget Euro 88; they were just really really terrible. 1990? First game against Rep Ireland, legend has it the etrusco unico still hasn’t come back to earth, and the game against Egypt was not much better, and was saved by Gazza free kick and a header by Mark “Tiny Ron” Wright. More often than not, England are rubbish in group games.
@Karma2Babylon yes I know Although even in first 2 group games, I watched highlights and there certainly was more energy about them. It was stinking hot. Lineker said it was 43 degrees that day against Portugal!
No1 said that Kane was playing to high and when fodan plays on the left for city, he has a left back bombing on, which opens up the play, which makes your point mute.
I don't they they are the main problems. No penetration down the left to supply Kane is bigger. Trent being an inexperienced midfielder is another. He doesn't retain the ball or win it back. His passing range is redundant because we're not hitting teams with runners on the break. I'd put Gordon on the left. I wouldn't shoehorn Foden into this side. I'd play Mainoo to get the ball off the back four and turn in tight spaces. Alternatively, if you're keeping Foden, give him freedom to roam.
Before even watching the video, I think there are three main problems: 1. Trent is obviously not a midfielder. Any decent team exposes this. The question is whether him or Walker plays RB now and who replaces Trent in midfield? Hopefully Mainoo. 2. Foden and Bellingham can’t both play. Southgate needs to choose between the two. I’d choose Bellingham, but I think there are arguments for both. Foden playing on the left is not working for many reasons, but mainly just leaving our left side completely empty, and therefore becoming too compact and predictable in the middle. 3. Our press is awful. I don’t know if we are trying to press and failing, or if we are dropping off and positioning ourselves in the worst low block I’ve ever seen. Either way, it’s completely ineffective. I would comment on how we go SO defensive after going a goal up, but apparently we conceded the first goal in groups since 2016 against Denmark, so I think the concept is probably fine, especially in the group stage, we just aren’t executing is anywhere near well enough. Whatever the problems are though, people are certainly overreacting. We are comfortably at the top of our group currently, we will go through to knockouts, and we will likely go through as the top team in our group as well. It’s International football. It’s not gonna be pretty, but we shouldn’t care as long as we are getting the results, which we currently are. People calling for Southgate to get sacked when he’s sitting at the top of the group after playing TWO GAMES against difficult physical teams is pure madness.
agree absolutely, although most seem to say Bellingham and Rice could play with Foden in middle, gordon left and saka on right. Also I just watched world cup 86 highlights as a memory and look at the intensity and pace england were playing at in the heat, against Poland then Paraguay....wow! so slow nowadays!
The problem isn’t the group stage results but we were getting results but looking like we had a plan people wouldn’t care. It’s clear however that something is wrong whether you assume it is the personnel, tactics or coaching, when we face a decent team we go out, and there are lots of v good teams.
@learntooilpaint yes and they looked tired! Yes Germany have played more minutes this season I read, but maybe Germany and other teams are just fitter than us in general? Maybe the mental pressure and expectation on England is weighing on them more, perhaps they aren't dealing with it as well as others do
Brilliant analysis but you missed on thing: the Danes (and quite a few teams in Euro 2024), are lining up 3-4-1-2. This is why the high press isn’t working. You now have 2 or 3 attackers pressing as many as 7 in defence 🤷🏻♂️
Didn’t help that Pickford kept booking it long and didn’t give them a chance to play out the back… but on the whole, can’t believe he watched the first half and started the second half without making a single change in formation.
Still think even in this pressing shape you suggest (which i like), I think we need different profiles. i'd rather have rice pressing the pivot player then trent, and then wharton sitting deep to deal with the 10. You mentioned not being able to build as well, but i think stones, guehi, pickford should be fine as a platform to build from provided you have a press resistant pivot to play through like wharton or mainoo. After that, I think the next problem comes from chance creation, which is both a profile error and a tactical error. We probably could play foden on the left if we went for a posession heavy approach with a proper LB beside him, but since we are playing mostly on transition and have no shaw, just don't think he suits that role. Get Gordon out there. Then we need to fix set pieces, but this is much harder without Harry. Might just be a weakness of us this tourney.
I think if we're taking Trent out of the midfield, we need to make a few structural changes (which I'm fine with) Wharton/Kobbie in for Trent Gordon lw Maybe some changes at fb
@@AJAnalysis more then happy to make those changes tbf, especially with the way southgate seemingly wants to play. Obviously the sooner shaws back, the sooner this becomes far simpler, but until then I think the back 4 stays how it is out of necessity.
@@AJAnalysis I dont hate playing trent at rb, but weirdly I think if you do, you might have to swap stones and guehi round, so guehi can defend the right channel, cause like you said in the discord, stones channel defending isnt ideal. Either that, or drop stones (whos been a bit meh anyway) and play konsa at RCB.
Do you think Southgate has the tactical capability, let alone will, to use this for a whole match? Then there's the question over his communication skills to relay and impart this to everyone in the team (see Kane's interview for admission that they didn't know what to do). I doubt that's in his makeup given we've seen minimal evolution in how we play under Southgate. I can't see the benefit of having Trent in the side, unless Walker and Trippier are injured, so that would be an easy change to make. Imagine experimenting in your first two group games of a major tournament instead of, I dunno, using meaningless qualification games and friendlies to do so!
He is playing exactly like UTD have under Ten Hag all season! You are deluded and I'm a UTD fan. Just because he played literally one controlling game all season you think he's amazing. He is a great manager but this statement is rediculous
Talk about shutting the stable door.....ehen the horse has bolted - 4 days ago! As many 'punditss',arm chair fans....and Stevie Wonder can tell its mot the players...its Southgates tactics the four forwards are too far apart.....plus other things obv,but it doesn't matter what players take those positions....until England manage to string 1-2s together regularly we have no hope..... And I have a feeling this tournament will end for England spectacular!!
Your delivery is great young man, and if players were only allowed to move one a time and stayed where you put them having no self-determination like on your digital subbuteo pitch, I'm sure your system would work. Unfortunately, such close man-to-man marking only gives the opposition the opportunity to pull us out of shape, creating holes for them to exploit. Then you'd be criticising the team for having no shape and leaving holes for the opposition to play through. I just don't think it's as simple as you're saying. Great stuff though nonetheless!
You do realise that man marking systems like the one AJ suggested are incredibly common and effective, especially when deployed from a midblock after certain pressing triggers are met, like AJ suggested? The point of an aggressive man to man trap sprung from pressing triggers while in a midblock is to quickly overwhelm the opponents from a shape that is originally hard to play through, which means that when sprung, its significantly harder to play through by dragging players out of position. On top of that, having that original mid block shape allows players to fall back into the shape if the press is unsucessful. These pressing and OOP systems are very common at club level, its very similair to what arsenal and man city do.
I see what you're saying, of course it isn't *that* simple, at the end of the day we're dealing with 22 humans on the pitch, things will always change However, this particular setup is extremely common at the top level at the moment, particularly in club football (most of these players operate in a similar system frequently) we've even seen it on occasion at this tournament as well. With regards to the holes it could potentially leave in the team, again you are right, however, that is the exact reason why I was suggesting this as a situational press using "triggers" rather than a constant. Believe me, I wish I could simulate these ideas with 22 players irl to make it clearer😅
@@jonk3984 We try it as much as possible in our small corner of the internet 😅 Again, I think all of your points were relevant as well! Thats the fun of it though right? All allowed our opinions
Gareth Southgate: “We know we don't have a natural replacement for Kalvin Philips. We're trying different things”. Why are you wasting time to make a video on this rubbish coach?
The weird thing is he is kind of right, he is not playing a player with the ability Philips has, Philips ability is that press resistance when playing out. Now Southgate has 2 players in the squad who can do it. He is not going to play either of them, if he hasn’t played them yet they aren’t playing, and I’m therefore not sure why they have gone. I am aware they are young, but why fill the team with players you are never going to use?
@learntooilpaint he got 7 months+ to find players who can replace Philips, mate. 7 months, not 1 week. And look Spain when they are playing with young player. That's not an excuse. That's a rubbish coach.
Brilliant analysis ! So refreshing to see a proper analysis of England's tactics as opposed to the finger pointing at Harry Kane on the BBC.
Firing himself and getting Klopp in for the rest of the tournament 👏🏼
Great analysis. How the hell doesn't Southgate realize this?
Hopefully he watching
Really good analysis, thanks
I thought you would say he can fix it by LEAVING :D
Trent off, Wharton on. Foden off, Gordon on.
1000% the right decision
Agree except I'd put Mainoo instead of Wharton.
Haaaa, you would take off the player of the season 😮.... can't have 3 in midfield it's simple as that
@@banehd3255 But I've never seen him do it for England. Why? Dunno. It could be the system has to suit him.
@@banehd3255 You have to have 3 else we'll be overrrun and outnumbered in midfield. Game lost.
He cant fix it, he doesnt have the footballing brain to do it. He want to play Jurassic Mourinho ball, which is why its not coming home 🤣
So glad Southgate on 5 million a year is on top of all this. A real tactical genius, thank goodness.
Should be on double that just think how good we'd be then
the press starts from the back. We need a strong leader at CB who is going to get that back 4 further up the pitch with urgency. At the moment we're lethargic at the back, we don't seem to have the confidence to leave space in behind. What I saw last game was Foden running his heart out trying to press whilst Stones is having a casual walk up the pitch 25 yards from our own goal
Easy. By stepping down.
Took the words out of my mouth.
Excellent off rhe ball analysis. Nice to see a proposed solution instead of just critiquing what you see.
It is very worrying how poor the pressing plan was, what gives hope is how easy it is to fix it.
Look forward to the on the ball analysis. It was a bit weird the way TAA and Rice stayed on the same line when we had the ball. I know they are a doubke pivot, but surely you want to add depth to the options inside, when you have the ball. Unless they were staying in position ready to defend?
just watched world cup 86 highlights as a memory and look at the intensity and pace england were playing at in the heat! so slow nowadays!
According to Trashgate it is because they aren't fit.
@drizzle952 yes that's what I thought. The evidence is clear when looking at last game. Played too deep and kept giving ball away signs of fatigue.
Tactics are one thing, but if not fit or enough game time, they can't press well, except for first 15 to 30 minutes like in both games
That only happened from the 3rd game against Poland and 2nd rnd game against Paraguay. They were atrocious in first 2 games against Morocco and Portugal.
Forget Euro 88; they were just really really terrible.
1990? First game against Rep Ireland, legend has it the etrusco unico still hasn’t come back to earth, and the game against Egypt was not much better, and was saved by Gazza free kick and a header by Mark “Tiny Ron” Wright. More often than not, England are rubbish in group games.
@Karma2Babylon yes I know
Although even in first 2 group games, I watched highlights and there certainly was more energy about them.
It was stinking hot. Lineker said it was 43 degrees that day against Portugal!
@@wrfootball3847 then there was the altitude.
No1 said that Kane was playing to high and when fodan plays on the left for city, he has a left back bombing on, which opens up the play, which makes your point mute.
I don't they they are the main problems. No penetration down the left to supply Kane is bigger. Trent being an inexperienced midfielder is another. He doesn't retain the ball or win it back. His passing range is redundant because we're not hitting teams with runners on the break. I'd put Gordon on the left. I wouldn't shoehorn Foden into this side. I'd play Mainoo to get the ball off the back four and turn in tight spaces. Alternatively, if you're keeping Foden, give him freedom to roam.
Like this.
Before even watching the video, I think there are three main problems:
1. Trent is obviously not a midfielder. Any decent team exposes this. The question is whether him or Walker plays RB now and who replaces Trent in midfield? Hopefully Mainoo.
2. Foden and Bellingham can’t both play. Southgate needs to choose between the two. I’d choose Bellingham, but I think there are arguments for both. Foden playing on the left is not working for many reasons, but mainly just leaving our left side completely empty, and therefore becoming too compact and predictable in the middle.
3. Our press is awful. I don’t know if we are trying to press and failing, or if we are dropping off and positioning ourselves in the worst low block I’ve ever seen. Either way, it’s completely ineffective.
I would comment on how we go SO defensive after going a goal up, but apparently we conceded the first goal in groups since 2016 against Denmark, so I think the concept is probably fine, especially in the group stage, we just aren’t executing is anywhere near well enough. Whatever the problems are though, people are certainly overreacting. We are comfortably at the top of our group currently, we will go through to knockouts, and we will likely go through as the top team in our group as well. It’s International football. It’s not gonna be pretty, but we shouldn’t care as long as we are getting the results, which we currently are. People calling for Southgate to get sacked when he’s sitting at the top of the group after playing TWO GAMES against difficult physical teams is pure madness.
agree absolutely, although most seem to say Bellingham and Rice could play with Foden in middle, gordon left and saka on right.
Also I just watched world cup 86 highlights as a memory and look at the intensity and pace england were playing at in the heat, against Poland then Paraguay....wow! so slow nowadays!
*trent isn’t a DM. Even a proper CM can’t necessarily play DM. He would do perfectly fine as an 8
The problem isn’t the group stage results but we were getting results but looking like we had a plan people wouldn’t care. It’s clear however that something is wrong whether you assume it is the personnel, tactics or coaching, when we face a decent team we go out, and there are lots of v good teams.
@learntooilpaint yes and they looked tired! Yes Germany have played more minutes this season I read, but maybe Germany and other teams are just fitter than us in general?
Maybe the mental pressure and expectation on England is weighing on them more, perhaps they aren't dealing with it as well as others do
He can say " I am a double moron " and climb a tree for a long time and play with leaves.
Brilliant analysis but you missed on thing: the Danes (and quite a few teams in Euro 2024), are lining up 3-4-1-2. This is why the high press isn’t working. You now have 2 or 3 attackers pressing as many as 7 in defence 🤷🏻♂️
Didn’t help that Pickford kept booking it long and didn’t give them a chance to play out the back… but on the whole, can’t believe he watched the first half and started the second half without making a single change in formation.
The moment England meets a good team like Spain or Germany. I think they are going home.
No thinking needed.
This lineup sorts it.
GK
Walker, Stones,Guehi
TAA, Wharton, Rice, Gordon
Foden, Palmer
Bellingham
Too drastic of a change, be realistic
Still think even in this pressing shape you suggest (which i like), I think we need different profiles. i'd rather have rice pressing the pivot player then trent, and then wharton sitting deep to deal with the 10. You mentioned not being able to build as well, but i think stones, guehi, pickford should be fine as a platform to build from provided you have a press resistant pivot to play through like wharton or mainoo.
After that, I think the next problem comes from chance creation, which is both a profile error and a tactical error. We probably could play foden on the left if we went for a posession heavy approach with a proper LB beside him, but since we are playing mostly on transition and have no shaw, just don't think he suits that role. Get Gordon out there. Then we need to fix set pieces, but this is much harder without Harry. Might just be a weakness of us this tourney.
I think if we're taking Trent out of the midfield, we need to make a few structural changes (which I'm fine with)
Wharton/Kobbie in for Trent
Gordon lw
Maybe some changes at fb
@@AJAnalysis more then happy to make those changes tbf, especially with the way southgate seemingly wants to play.
Obviously the sooner shaws back, the sooner this becomes far simpler, but until then I think the back 4 stays how it is out of necessity.
@@EuanByrom Yeah I think that's fair, although with the midfield and attack changing, I coulddddd be tempted by Trent rb (although still not sure)
@@AJAnalysis I dont hate playing trent at rb, but weirdly I think if you do, you might have to swap stones and guehi round, so guehi can defend the right channel, cause like you said in the discord, stones channel defending isnt ideal. Either that, or drop stones (whos been a bit meh anyway) and play konsa at RCB.
Hi valzor
We need a player revolt. England teams have some form in this over the years, mostly with positive results.
2007 RWC
Are the players in the right physical condition to sustain a high press?
Kane isn’t pressing like rest of forwards are. Rest him next game and try Palmer.
Waste of a comment.
Do you think Southgate has the tactical capability, let alone will, to use this for a whole match? Then there's the question over his communication skills to relay and impart this to everyone in the team (see Kane's interview for admission that they didn't know what to do). I doubt that's in his makeup given we've seen minimal evolution in how we play under Southgate.
I can't see the benefit of having Trent in the side, unless Walker and Trippier are injured, so that would be an easy change to make. Imagine experimenting in your first two group games of a major tournament instead of, I dunno, using meaningless qualification games and friendlies to do so!
Iceland beat us again a couple of weeks ago, couldn't break them Down, didn't threaten their goal the writing was on the wall
It's a shame to sit deep while no pacy player to take advantage on counter attack
get Ten Hag in to finish the euros with England
Can England loan him for a month from Man Utd ? Seriously😂
He is playing exactly like UTD have under Ten Hag all season! You are deluded and I'm a UTD fan. Just because he played literally one controlling game all season you think he's amazing. He is a great manager but this statement is rediculous
Talk about shutting the stable door.....ehen the horse has bolted - 4 days ago! As many 'punditss',arm chair fans....and Stevie Wonder can tell its mot the players...its Southgates tactics the four forwards are too far apart.....plus other things obv,but it doesn't matter what players take those positions....until England manage to string 1-2s together regularly we have no hope.....
And I have a feeling this tournament will end for England spectacular!!
Fix the high press means starting Gordon and Watkins and dropping Kane into a 10 role. Rice and Bellingham have to hold.
Why can't saka play LW ? He's not even a quality ball striker off the right
England maybe lucky to qualify as a best 3rd place if don't improve on Tuesday
You forgot the GK. and against any decent opposition the GK will be able to play. But yes it would still be better than we have now
To all those commenting - this is a TACTICAL ISSUE. Just replacing players is not going to fix this.
I've lost count how many pundits have different views on how England need to improve. Glad its not me!
Why aren’t the centre half’s screaming at everyone ahead of them to press the fucking ball
Because most of the players are behind desperately defending, what a bunch of no hopers, including c forwad
@@Royboy50 that’s the point. Press the fucking ball and you won’t have to desperately defend
Remember, England have better players than Denmark. They could have just done man-to-man as a tactic and should have won.
Email this to Southgate. He clearly has no idea about this.
Southgate can fix England, it's simple, LEAVE anything to do with football all together and get a desk job filing paper
Video on Simeone Pafundi for utd
Have you reached out to Southgate to give him the benefit of your expertise?
AJ Analysis >>>> Southgate 😂😂
Cant wait for joker Southgate to piss off we should be full attack
Manio rice Bellingham
Eze/foden kane saka
the best thing southgate can do is to resign right now lol
Your delivery is great young man, and if players were only allowed to move one a time and stayed where you put them having no self-determination like on your digital subbuteo pitch, I'm sure your system would work. Unfortunately, such close man-to-man marking only gives the opposition the opportunity to pull us out of shape, creating holes for them to exploit. Then you'd be criticising the team for having no shape and leaving holes for the opposition to play through. I just don't think it's as simple as you're saying. Great stuff though nonetheless!
You do realise that man marking systems like the one AJ suggested are incredibly common and effective, especially when deployed from a midblock after certain pressing triggers are met, like AJ suggested? The point of an aggressive man to man trap sprung from pressing triggers while in a midblock is to quickly overwhelm the opponents from a shape that is originally hard to play through, which means that when sprung, its significantly harder to play through by dragging players out of position. On top of that, having that original mid block shape allows players to fall back into the shape if the press is unsucessful.
These pressing and OOP systems are very common at club level, its very similair to what arsenal and man city do.
I see what you're saying, of course it isn't *that* simple, at the end of the day we're dealing with 22 humans on the pitch, things will always change
However, this particular setup is extremely common at the top level at the moment, particularly in club football (most of these players operate in a similar system frequently) we've even seen it on occasion at this tournament as well.
With regards to the holes it could potentially leave in the team, again you are right, however, that is the exact reason why I was suggesting this as a situational press using "triggers" rather than a constant.
Believe me, I wish I could simulate these ideas with 22 players irl to make it clearer😅
Thank you. Who knew reasoned and respectful arguments still existed on the internet. On reflection, I think you're both probably right.
@@jonk3984 We try it as much as possible in our small corner of the internet 😅
Again, I think all of your points were relevant as well!
Thats the fun of it though right? All allowed our opinions
Southgate out will fix the problem.
Gareth Southgate: “We know we don't have a natural replacement for Kalvin Philips. We're trying different things”. Why are you wasting time to make a video on this rubbish coach?
The weird thing is he is kind of right, he is not playing a player with the ability Philips has, Philips ability is that press resistance when playing out. Now Southgate has 2 players in the squad who can do it. He is not going to play either of them, if he hasn’t played them yet they aren’t playing, and I’m therefore not sure why they have gone. I am aware they are young, but why fill the team with players you are never going to use?
@learntooilpaint he got 7 months+ to find players who can replace Philips, mate. 7 months, not 1 week. And look Spain when they are playing with young player. That's not an excuse. That's a rubbish coach.
@@khao1412hey agree with you, the guy is full of shit, if he had any balls he plays Wharton. This Southgate though
@learntooilpaint I'm glad you understand my point here.
The best fix is to leave
Fixing it, best is to resign.
Do you expect southgate to understand these and fix things like things. Blud believes his midfield problem is lack of kalvin phillips 😂 like what 🫡
Agreed. Southgate is a full-on imbecile. We've got no chance because of it.