Turning a Pen on a Spring Pole Lathe - First Try
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I decided the first thing I wanted to turn is a Pen on the new spring pole lathe. this is a thin line kit and the blank id from a small block of Peruvian walnut. this is the first thing I turned on the new lathe and I chose the time to experiment and try new things. I used traditional lathe tools as well as carbide pen turning tools. I also got to try a CA finish on the spring pole lathe which was interesting.
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I've used a springpole off and on for many years. (I do medieval reenacting) and while I was watching you working the gouges and carbide cutters and I said out loud "use a skew chisel". It was like you heard me. Because of the slow speed and the way the work piece keeps changing directions, a skew is really the way to go. Going forward, it slices material off and on the back spin, it just rides the bevel. Instead of sanding, try burnishing the turning with a handful of shavings. I know it may be hard on such a small project to have enough shavings, but there are probably enough in your trash bin. The burnishing really does a better job and shows off more of the figure in the wood because it doesn't clog the pores of the wood with fine dust particles. I've tried hard not to fall down that ink pen rabbit hole. But you did an awesome job and I may have to give them a try. (WAIT!!! What did I just say?) As far are the drive belt/rope, a wooden spool (like an old fashioned thread spool glued to the mandrel shaft will probably work well. Also adjust the foot pedal so that it pulls the drive rope straight down and it will track in the same spot and won't wander up and down the shaft of the mandrel. Once again, good work.
+Mike Bennett thanks man. I use to do a lot of midevil reenactment. So many fun ideas with this lathe. I have a ton of experimenting to do over the next few weeks.
Cool. I made a pen on my pole lathe back in 2005. I acquired a used MT2 reamer and built a wooden mandrel for the pen mandrel. It worked better with one part of the pen at a time, just the top, then the bottom, separately. Much less flex.
THIS is awesome, James! As a side note: the carbide tips don't work as well with a spring pole lathe because they're designed for more of a scraping action instead of a cutting action. And cutting is what you do on a lathe that moves at slower speed. That's also why “riding the bevel“ is even more important with a foot powered lathe. And you did it just fine! Love the vid, as always...
+Ben Lehnert right on. The one exception to that are the very hard woods. I am having fun playing with all the old toys on the new one. Lol
That didn't take long! Great work, one of these days i'll give that a try!
thanks man. I love wiping out pens!
Was away for work, missed a day or two(at least Monday anyway.) great to be back home and able to watch your videos....cheers ...rr
+Richard Rider missed you man. Great to have you back.
Your Dad just got a piece of wood to start working with for his first prohect on the road! :)
SWEET!! looking forward to seeing it.
Make a couple wood donuts, split one side, put a screw in it and tighten it down on the mandrel. Basically a wood stop block. Heck you have a lathe now you can make them round and pretty
LOL not a bad idea.
To keep your cord from unraveling on your mandrill try tying a Turks Head Knot tightly on each end, Then super glue the knot to the mandrill and finish it with some varnish to help hold the knot together and in place.
+wade titcombe that's an interesting idea. I might have to give that a try.
Ok, I'm blown away at your finish on something that moves so slowly! I usually finish my pens @ a minimum of 500rpm. I'm glad that you used a mandrel. Perhaps turning some wood disks, boring them to size and either press-fitting them or glueing them on would serve well. Or simply cut sections from a large dowel or closet pole and boring them.
thanks. It might not look like it but with I get it going. it will do 800RPM forward and 800RPM in reverse. So the actual turning speed is around 1600RPM but it comes to a stop 4 times a second too. and max speed is far higher than that. around 3000Rpm when I do 3 strokes a second. Each stroke is about 8 revolutions each direction.
I love your lathe, I think a round head mallet would be a good project to make. You love to carve and a carving mallet would be a good build to show how you would go about making it on your lathe
that is high on the list. I am just waiting for the right blank!
Nice work James! Next time try some Wine Bottle Stoppers using a variety of hard woods. Looks like you are having fun with that thing........... :)
I have a few others similar on my list.
Fantastic. Really enjoyed this and seeing that wood in the finished product!
thnaks Kevin!
congratulations on hitting 40 thousand. i mean, you deserve more. lots more. great video again james :)
Thaks John. that one kind of snuck up on me. I was thinking it was still a wile out.
Wood By Wright nope. you should do something for when you hit 50k
It looks great! Much better than my first few attempts! For the mandrel, maybe think about seeing if anyone in your area that you know has a metal lathe, and turn a slot for the string to sit, without using tape and string.
that is actually a really good idea!
Awesome Job!!! CONGRATS 40k😱😱🎉🎉
Thanks man. just hit it a few minutes ago!
The pen turned out great! No pun intended
LOL right. I belive you! Thanks man!
Nice work, that would make a neat gift. Have you seen turned rings before? That could be another 1-day video, perhaps. (You also get an excuse to try carving something teeny tiny if you wanted to adorn it more than the turning.)
I have never turned a ring, but I will have to think about how to hold it on this one.
OMG I love it. Great job James
thanks John!
Have you considered a pulley on the mandrel? You could then wrap your cord around the pulley to turn the lathe. You would need find the right size for the right speed.
ya but it needs to be at least 1.5" wide and I would not want it much bigger than 1" diameter to get the right speed on the lathe. So I don't know if anyone makes one that would fit that.
Looks great. I am so jealous. I wish I had time to get into my shop, but the end if the semester is close, so busy as heck with college work. Maybe during the break if these old bones can take the cold. Again, great looking pen.
yup. time is always the issue!
Wow, you are really an artist! Very nice
Greetings from Germany
+Volker Braun thanks Volker.
Great Result James. I too am a little shy to use the Skew. I guess at slow speeds it does not catch so easy with catastrophic results.
+Peter Compton yup. And for the reciprocating action it is much smoother.
Just when I think the dad jokes are at an all time low...says the loyal subscriber! Lol, good stuff. Keep it up!
LOL you have no idea how deep the hole goes!
Absolutely mind blowing, that you could turn something so small a spring pole lathe. You truly are an amazing maker 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
thanks man. next challenge is a ring!
Lovin’ it. Thanks James.
thnaks man!
Lovely looking work. I’m planning a pole lathe build soon myself. I want to explore how instrument makers in the 18th through early 19th centuries may have made bagpipes and other instruments.
That sounds like a fun idea!
It's been an interest for years. I've played bagpipes in one form or another since I was eight years old. It's about time I actually make a set like I've been saying I... wood.
Beautiful job. Pretty cool
thanks Greg.
I love your intros. “Im falling into the rabbit hole” 😂 cracks me up man.
LOL thanks Logan!
Very nice. Great job, it does look like fun.
oh yes it is fun!
fun project, thanks for sharing the experience!
my pleasure. always like playing with new toys!
That looks like a load of fun! Congratulations on the first "real" lathe project!!
thanks man! yes it is! this thing is a blast!
Nice job by the way, looks beautiful!
thanks Rick! this is a fun new toy!
Don't want no wabbit hole. Loved the outcome. To me, carbide chisels seem to scrape not cut .. I have yet to see where they are good for much except bulk removal. Turning chisels? Bench chisels work at this speed.
yup. they are decent for hardwoods and you can get a really nice finish in defuse porus words with carbide blades. but at these speeds there uses are limited even bulk removal is pretty crummy here.
Great job. I turn a lot of pens at high speed (using electricity). So it’s interesting to see how you accomplish the same thing at the slow speeds that you get with the spring pole lathe.
Thanks Joe. that is the same lesson I am trying to learn. so many things I have done with power that now I have to refigre out. LOL
a large washer epoxied on to each side of the MT (morse taper) would prolly work very well.....love yur videos
that is what I am leaning toward right now. but we will see.
great job james
thnaks Gene
Using the lathe, maybe make some pulleys that look sort of like thread spools that could be secured to the mandrels somehow. Different diameters would give you different speeds of rotation for different materials and/or tools and techniques.
yup but the problem with that is the horizontal and vertical forces. once you put a hinge point in the middle they don't work so well. there are ways to do it, but they are often not worth the hassle.
Would attaching a "drive pulley" over a live center using a setscrew and filing a flat onto the center work? You might need some way to secure the live center to the workpiece though.
that circumstance would be a bit too big. it really should be no larger than 3" diameter and it is best around about 1" but I have thought of making a chuck that would have a slot in it for the cord. but in all honesty, it is really WAY over thinking it as for 99% 0f the projects out there it is just easier to wrap it around the work peace.
I would really like to see some bowls, cups, or goblets made on this thing.
it is high on the list! thanks man!
And a timelapse that's sped up like crazy!
Hahaha I fell down that Rabbit Hole a long while ago. I'm afraid to switch the lathe on because I won't be seen for weeks and I've got far too much work to be getting on with :D ॐ
Oh and the pen looks a lot better than my first attempt from what I remember :D The lathe looks better each time I see it :)
LOL the only way of getting out of it last time was to sell the lathe!
For the cord mandrill, what about threading the rod on the ends and putting a nut and then a large washer and then another nut on the threading?
That is close to the final methoud I chose. Still a lot of fun.
I enjoy turning a pen, it’s relaxing. I thought the CA finish was interesting, normally I do a wax (beeswax I think) finish and buff it into the wood. My favorite wood for it is definitely padauk, the grain when it’s cut makes some super interesting streaks.
Have you found pen kits you like? Most that I’ve found focus so much on the wood turning aspect that the pen part of it suffers. Same for the pencil kits.
I am just using a few old pen kits I had from before, but I will definitely be keeping my eyes open for them now. I also like the beeswax finish. I just wanted to experiment with this one and see if the CA was possible at low speeds.
Great work, and I can't wait to get one built.
thanks! it is so much fun!
The pen came out lovely ! ! ! ! But what really blows me away is that you had the willpower to NOT do the classic option for a first wood lathe project..... A bucket full of tool handles ! ! ! ! :D Tool handles for coarse files and rasps and tool handles for awls and tool handles for just about anything that needs a rounded tool handle. Heck, the first handles I did on my wood lathe for handles for the other woodturning tools I'd bought "raw" with no handles. IT'S A CLASSIC OPTION ! ! ! ! :D
+Bruce Matthews lol there will be a few of those Comming up.
That looked awesome James! Just remember before you go down the rabbit hole tie a safety rope on that way we can pull you out LOL.
+Opa's Workshop lol the only way I got out of it last time was to sell the lathe.
That is very cool! I want to make more Grace Slick lyric comments..... But.... "One pen makes you smaller and one pen makes you large." Well that just sounds silly. Good video and the lathe is very cool! Ok, Now I am repeating myself....
LOL thnaks Bill! always one of the best comments of the day!
Great video. You should make a bowl!
it is on my list. a bit of a challenge on a spring pole lathe but it can be done!
Could you use the lathe to turn a mandrel out of wood? The wood would provide the grip needed and you could turn the ends with a larger diameter instead of glueing cord on.
I have thought about that not quite sure how I would get it to work yet, but it is one of the possibilities!
Sweet. You could try to replace the metal collet chuck that is part of the mandrel by a wooden one where you drill a hole through both the wooden holder and the mandrel bar to put a pin through. That way you can make a better way to drive the mandrel. I hope i can get across what im trying to say. Im dutch, remember...
yup that is the way I sm thinking now. I should show off another pen soon when I make one for it.
Hey. Hey now. You're pulling out your electronics again! :D
my camera is always on.
Wood By Wright Bah! You got me. I'll start approving of your digital calipers now. Fantastic job on the pen btw. It looks amazing. All those extra coats were a good idea!
LOL thanks Chris! one of these days I will get a pair of dile clipers, but we have to use what we have.
Do you have a welder? Could mig a fender washer on each end of the madrel. That would keep it from coming off. Or glue some nylon rings on each end. It wouldnt wear the leather strap then either.
I would rather not weld on it, but I think I am leaning toward building a glue on option.
My head is swimming with ideas for that mandrill but I don’t think I can articulate them. Regardless, I’m sure you’ll come up with something better than tape. Have fun decorating your rabbit hole now that you’re moving in. 😋
LOL you think I would have skipped the rabbit hole as I use to live in this one year ago when I got my first lathe. but here I am again. LOL
Wood By Wright 😂 are you sure you really left?
Best simple idea I’ve had is angled slide on stops with a set screw. Might need a flattened surface about a 1/16” deep on one side of the cylinder to meet the set screw but that small of a flat shouldn’t bother the cord.
Well you have a new lath.. Turn a mandrel out of your favorite piece of oak make sort of m=like a spoon you would get sewing thread on.. attach it to the pen mandrel. Just food for thought. Really like the pole lath... Is it a bouncy as it looks like in the videos? or is that just the camera making look like it is rocking/bouncing back and forth?
Awesome video... Thank for sharing..
that is the direction I am thinking of going, but we will see. no, the camera makes it look really bouncy but you do not feel it in person.
Wow, that is fast!
And the pen turned out great! Perhaps the CA glue finish could be the subject of another video? :)
thanks man! lots more fun to come!
Thanks. I might do that. it is a bit different with a spring pole lathe!
Considering how much play there is in the leather couldnt you just make a large-ish cone with recesses at various intervals to trap the leather? That way you would be able to change the speed on the fly with a single addition instead of making a number of mandrels that would need to be swapped out.
you could but you can change the speed faster with just moving your foot faster or slower.
Yeah that makes total sense... guess im just still thinking from a power tool point of view.
LOL yup it is more difficult to wrap your head around then you think tell you can give it a try. but it is so much fun!
Awesome work James! 👍🖋️
thanks Fred
Great looking pen James, and for a mandrill why not turn one?
God Bless my friend.
I might try that, but I am not sure it will take the horizontal forces.
Pet the bunnies on the way down. LOL
LOL will do!
what about using a wooden thread spool instead of the piece with the rope?
that is one of the thoughts, but that would increase the diameter and slow the lathe RPMs
heelz yeah!!! niice, I have a lathe on my growing list.
LOl that list keeps growing!
Yeah, It's a good thing I dont get out much,...lol I just saw your new mallet now I might have to need one of those.
Would you consider turning a set of chisel handles or maybe a plane handle?
both of those are on my list. though my preferred chisel handle is octagonal.
Can you make the mandrel from a small piece of wood with flared ends to keep the cord from slipping off?l
Unfortunately it would not be stiff enough to support the lateral motion of the cord.
Just beautiful! :) :) :)
thanks mom
I want one!
Thinking of making one that’ll slot onto the front of my bench for added mass. Just a bit worried about the noise, as I’ve got neighbours.
Do you think a treadle lathe, with a flywheel, would be quieter?
+ 40k!!!🍻👌🏼😍🍭 YAY!
a flywheel lathe can be quieter and louder. the loudest part of both it the cutting of the tool. the rest is at conversation volume.
In my experience one with a flywheel would be a little bit louder, simply because it has more moving parts. OK, if it's set up perfectly, it wouldn't make a difference, but what in the world is perfect?
Why is the lathe moving/rocking so much while you use it? I think I would find that kinda annoying.
Can you weight it down more or is this an issue of sturdiness?
you really do not notice it in person as you are the one moving the lathe also the camera makes it look like a huge movement when in reality it is very small. the problem is the horizontal force from the cord going out. but I have no plans to change it as it does not affect the use.
The lathe moving so much would driv eme nuts. How do you stop that from happening?
you actually do not notice it much at all in person the camera just amplifies it.
What is this "Pen" thing you reference? Is that something like a manual keyboard?
LOL I don't know but people keep hearing me it is mighter than a sword. but yet they let me take it on a plane!
Hey James , You still have your Lathe ? If so what`s your thoughts on a foot powered Lathe ?
Yes I have all three of them. The spring pole takes a lot of space and it is not great for making things quickly, but it is very fun to play with.
@@WoodByWright I will be building my spring pole this summer , just to get get my shop in order. Thanks !
rubber stoppers ,
I am currently leaning toward rubber caulk
heat shrink tubing ,,, between to stoppers might add grip for the cord , , you will have to make a video showing the choice,,, haha
Matthias Wandel did a comparison on helical carbide jointer cutterheads versus conventional jointer knives, and showed that while the carbide inserts do work better on figured wood, they also cause the machine to consume significantly more energy. The carbide are essentially scraping, which is less efficient than the conventional, which are cutting.
Cutting is just a lot more energy efficient. The same is true with turning tools. When the machine is doing all the work, carbide scraping cuts are fine. When the power is coming from you it’s another story, and a more efficient cutting method is going to be superior.
Not tea bag 👍🏽
LOL thanks Matthew!
Twenty-one, ha ha ha.
+Brian Prusa only 9 more!