How to improvise polyphony in four voices according to Santa María
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0:00:00 Introduction
0:03:40 Duo with imitations
0:05:24 Close imitation
0:08:10 Combining two duos
0:09:48 Using a cadence as transition
0:13:13 Notation of the examples
0:14:30 Demonstration of a fantasia
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I basically never write comments on TH-cam, I am not even that interested in the subject of the channel per se and finally I imagine this comment is quite pointless since you get this sort of comment a lot, but in front of so much quality, information and perfection of presentation I can just listen and learn. The material you craft on this channel is really something special, fantastic job, keep it up.
A backhanded compliment indeed. Yet you say you are "not that interested," present tense, even after the video? Shouldn't it have made you interested by now?
Any comment helps 'the algorithm' - and Elam Rotem's 'Early Music Sources' channel! That's why I'm leaving this comment! And, of course, to appreciate yours!😉
If I were a wealthy man, you would never need patreon anymore. Yours is trully a priceless job!
The Duolingo sound effects gave me PTSD
this is breathtaking pedagogy
You are not only a great composer, but a great teacher too.
With the high quality of the videos, waiting a month for another one is definitely worth it
Incredible lesson thank you! Ah what I could have been if I'd had just one teacher like you....
If you want to study this type of music more deeply I suggest not only learning music, but educating yourself on the Ars Liberales.
It is difficult to find clear lesson's, but this is super 👍🎼. My twins, 11 years, study classic music and find this verry interesting
Are you holding a Dan Bau?
I am indeed, well spotted! I only "played" it for a few weeks, until I realised it would take real work and talent to get a good sound out of it. Now it's just a beautiful ornament on top of my piano (also unplayed...)
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plural: Artes Liberales
Note to self:
4:08 (4:20) Imitation enters at the end of the subject
4:30 (4:53) Imitation starts immediately: 'Stretto Fuga'
5:22 (5:39) Imitation Maker 1.0
6:33 Summarized Chart for Step-wise Ascending and Descending Subjects, presented in pairs which are 'mirror inversions' of each other
6:52 Santa Maria's Full Musical Examples (demonstrating precepts of above chart)
7:08 The kind(s) of leaps a subject may have for an imitation to work
8:10 (9:02) Creating 4-voice polyphony by combining two Duos
10:03 Different subjects rendered at different cadences
10:53 (11:49) Demonstration of the merging point(s) between two duos
12:09 (12:16) The same subject can enter on 4 DIFFERENT TYPES OF CADENCES
12:53 Condensing Cadence information
14:46 (15:10) Demonstration of a Fantasia
I know it's self note, but thank you so much
Superb presentation. It will be a glad day for me when I can actually do this. However, I am already taking great courage in the fact that I share something in my music with Santa Maria... we both inadvertently apply liberal amounts of coffee to our pages. A sure sign that I am well on my way!!!
I don't think it's coffee but damp stains from these hundreds of years. :Ρ
I've watched a lot of your videos (although by no means have I exhausted your oeuvre) and am consistently amazed at the quality of the content and the production value. I can only imagine the person-hours required to produce these gems. Although I enjoy early music very much, I've never been especially disposed to it and the music I make has little direct relation to it. Yet, I never miss a new EMS video and find that my ear and musical knowledge are always challenged in the most welcome way. Thank you for what you do!
Your video editing skills deserves an Oscar! Great video!!
Your work is just amazing
I have learned more from you than I ever did years ago during my BMusic degree
Tq for teaching
Another diamond off the mine!
Cut, polished, and mounted in precious metals!
I love how, at 16:07, he imitates the fourth subject first in the fifth and then in the octaves a few measures later.
Another wonderfully enlightening video. I love the 'vintage' electronic fruit machine (slot machine) sounds and graphics too. Thank you.
Your channel is beyond beautiful. God bless you! I've learnt so much and been so delighted. Thank you.
Very lovely, perhaps because it is more transparent than the work of some other composers, and therefore more readily appreciated. Thank you for this!
I see what you did there with Duolingo sound effects!
9:02 - I love it. Greetings from Trinidad and Tobago
What a presentation, and fantastic information! Major credit to the video editors too!
If I understand correctly, the author is also the editor. Just a multitalented man.
Ottima lezione, moltissime grazie anche per rendere al grande Tomás alcune delle lodi che tanto merita, come compositore, trattatista e uomo dalla sensibilità colta e raffinata...
Phenomenal as always! Thank you!
Love it ! Thanks for another very enjoyable show !!
Amazing production as always!
I think the concluding fantasia is enchanting, really.
Amazing animations! Keep up the great work guys. As always explanations are on point
Thanks! This is really great.
Superbly made video, and that is a beautiful sounding harpsichord.
Amazing as always. Thank you very much for your work!
Wow, the first time I see a video with 1.5K likes and 0 dislikes. And this video definitely deserves this! Brilliant material, thanks!
Simply amazing
What a joy your videos are to watch and hear. There is so much nonsense and noise on the internet, but your content is a relaxing breath of reason and beauty.
absolutely binging your content as of late, and I'm really enjoying every video! Your presentation is very pleasant to watch, Thank you!
First time I see a perfect score video and for a reason
Amazing masterclass, thank you!!!
This is just great! I love every video on your channel! Thank you very much for your contribution to music education!
your channel is simply priceless, and so much work to bring these historical pieces to life again... thank you much
What an excellent video. I especially liked the new animations.
I'm glad you made a second video about Santa Maria because I found the first one very interesting.
Thank you, as always, for sharing with us!
Excellent channel, remarkable video!
thanks again Elam!
Como siempre, muy interesante el vídeo. Enhorabuena.
An excellent presentation, many thanks!
ImitationMaker is so precious
thanks. simply perfect presentation!
Amazing work. It's incredible how the visual animations make the learning flow. Thank you for the videos!!
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As always brilliant and beautiful!! Thank you!! Looking forward for some Kunst der Fugue videos!! :) All best from Serbia!!
This is as beautifully taught as anything I experienced at Juilliard. Priceless! Inspiring! Sincerely, Michael Hinton
Excellent.
Every few months I come back to this episode and the other one, such a fascinating theory
Excellent video, hugely helpful and informative. Bravo
I even searched for that Imitationmaker 1.0 Beta program - only to end with your disclaimer. LOL
Absolutely fantastic...congratulations!!!
Thank you, thank you for your marvellous work!!!
So fascinating and such beautiful music.
Incredible!
I’ve been trying to understand counterpoint for years. From the bottom of my heart, thank you so much for making me achieve this!
Thank you for everything.
Another fabulous presentation.
And another video to throw at jazzers when they claim to be the only true improvisors ("appart from Bach, a bit")
I think most jazzers are taking about contemporary classical musicians (many of whom can undoubtedly improvise at a level equal to or higher than jazzers, but not the majority) and the way that current conservatory music education focuses more on perfecting one’s own interpretation of written works to a T rather than modifying or creating entirely new works in the moment of performance. I do agree with you to a point, though.
Better to sit down and jam with "them."
Just too good!
Wonderful!
Grazie Mastering!!
Just great!
That Duolingo jingle/fanfare though
Excelente
I was REALLY hoping that you would try to improvise some polyphony with your mates.
Top Level
Like your work... you speak like the Alitalia flight safety Italian translator at the beginning of every flight on the tv
These videos are great. I feel like they ought to be studied one at a time for days or even weeks, rather than binged, as practical tools of music making, rather than dry musicology or big-brain edutainment.
Excellent! Always feeding my passion for early music. Thank you so much. Will or have you covered Johannes Fuch?
Please cover all of the Arte de Tañer Fantasía. You would have content for literally years and will rescue all of this centuries-long "hidden" musical knowledge.
So you came out at the other end of the Tratado! Should we call you "Dante" from now on? Thank you for another great video.
Great video with not so easy to find information. You should talk about "El Maestro" by the Spanish vihuelist Luis de Milán.
i have the english version, it's very hard to find. His rules for harmony in general are incredibly numerous and I think it's better to learn intuitively rather than try to keep about 5,000 rules in your head. The guidelines for performance are extremely useful and seem to be recommending a great deal of ornaments, inegales, a long list of possible runs/ licks (glosas), such that the music as Sancta Maria and antonio de cabezon must have played it, must have been more ornate than is generally thought.
Is there a modern edition of Santa Maria’s treatise? It would be an incredible teaching tool
Check the footnotes
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A moment in the day outside of time, on sunlit heights.
This was as always an amazing episode! Thanks a lot for your marvelous work. Is there a way we can have the last example of Fantasía as a PDF score? , it is really beautiful, I'd love to play it on my spinet. Thanks again for your great work!
Hi Elam!
Absolutely love your channel! I'm a pianist, and I teach analysis and composition techniques, so I teach my students the basics of figured bass. I can improvise a bit because I know about harmony and I love to hear harpsichordists like Richard Egarr for example. But accompaining is musicaly a lot more than knowing what a 6 or 64 is, and voice leading... etc. Is it possible that you could explaing for "non early music performers" how you would approach for example a violin accompainment, or recitativo? I think our young piano students should know how to perform barroque music, and they don't, and imslp scores are mostly crap and dont encourage improvisation and comunication with the soloist. Any advice on that?
Congratulations on your wonderful videos!
Definite shades of Bach's B minor mass in the final example.
Excellent video! Could you do one on prolation canons at some point?
We mentioned mensual canons (including two examples) in the episode about mensural notation: th-cam.com/video/G1F2FSLakVA/w-d-xo.html (see from 13:15)
The earlier examples make me think of the Gratias agimus tibi from JS Bach's B minor Mass, which has a simple subject that begins with rising steps, but is one of the densest fugues there is.
Contragulations for this great channel!
What books you recommend for studying Renaissance counterpoint?
A truly wonderful channel, thanks so much for your considerable efforts. I have a question; given the difficulty of this subject matter, how many people of Santa Maria’s time (or frankly anytime) were actually able to improvise well in this manner? It’s hard to imagine that there were many. Any thoughts?
Well, at least we know Bach was able to do it.
Every organist of a big church was able to improvise like this, it was standard. Bach was no exception. These were not so many people but if you wanted to hear this, you could.
@@martinh1277 Okay but I do think there would've been an audible difference between Bach's improvisations and those of your average church organist. I imagine somewhat like the difference between Art Tatum or Bill Evans and a random pianist playing background jazz in a hotel lounge.
@@SpaghettiToaster I talked about the few organists of big churches. They were examined before they could get this good job and we know how. Mattheson wrote it down in "Die wohlbestallte Organistenprüfung".
@@martinh1277 Sounds like an interesting read, I'll check it out, thanks!
13:24 Schola Cantorum Brasiliensis style !
Thank you! You have a very good approach that seem to tranfer the most necessary information in concise form without oversimplification and keeping the essence of the topic there. What I notice though that modern HIP students (or even professors sometimes) are passionate about reading treatesies and applying their principles often without understanding of their semantical role... music has contents and for example the skills of writing fantasia is nothing without having 'something to say'. It seems we are often afraid to speak about the semantics of music about its contents but to me it is probably the most important issue to be taught both to performer. What I heading at - would you take a risk or chance to explore a series of actual period musical pieces not from poin of view of formal techniques and vocabularly (like candences/modes/mudilations etc.) but from point of view of contents, why this cadence is used here, why this kind of couterpoint technique applied. I am not talking only about direct verbal vocabulary like word painting, or musical figures but musical language per se. It seems to me that would have moved many on another lovel (and many out of it actually). Thank you very much.
13:22 - - - >G. P. Telemann writing a letter... Eh! A composition! I mean a composition!
BTW: despite it's a joke, all we want and desire your IMITATION MAKER 1. 0 app even in ALPHA level of composition! Eh! Programming! I mean programming! 😂
I wish that stretto fuga application was real 😢
I think you guys should try to do a collab with a bigger music theorist TH-camr, it might get you a bit more views and the channel deserves it
Hallo. i wonder how do you know when the imitation is going to enter so it will work? I try to understand by looking at the last piece but it is difficult. Can u pleas try to explain? or maby it comes with excperiens? Tank you for your videos i m learning allot!
Dear Mr. Elam where I can find a link for your imitation maker thank you.
hahaha ; ))
I can see that a bunch of the Arte de Tañer is modernized. Maybe a PIE is coming??
One question: can you recommend a good work on the Decimarium?
WHERE can I buy this book in English?! I love to read this cover to cover but I can’t find it to buy.
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I know this is kind of a silly question but is Imitation Maker 1 available somewhere? It seems like a very useful tool.
😁 I'm afraid it's just a mock-up. I'm still waiting for someone to do it!
Is there a version of this treatise that has been translated to English?
Check the footnotes!
Collab with Brandon Acker?
isnt fuga more like an Italian term rather a spanish word? I know italian and spanish are so similar but where exactly the term comes?
Has any typical young music student been able to do this yet? (Improvise in 2 or 4 voices according to this method) ? Music grad students and conservatory prodigies don't count as typical young music student.