Beautifully explained I am an Indian classical music student and I knew a bit about shrutis, but hearing them so clearly on this instrument was so soothing and fascinating to watch. Thanks to everyone who has been a part of this creation. Pranaam 🙏🙂
Can it get any simpler than this..??? What an amazing explanation !!! With such a beautiful narration, anyone will easily understand (and appreciate) the beauty and grandeur of Indian Classical Music... Kudos to you and also to the complete team.
Thank you so much for a clear comprehensive & such a informative class on this. Though we know about the 22 shrutis , but learning it scientifically, makes it even more interesting. 🙏
By Lord Saraswathi's grace, today I happened to watch this video. Unbelievable and amazing explanation. I feel like Lord Saraswathi herself is explaining it to us. What is the name of the two string instrument you used to show the demo?
QUESTION ❓❓❓ * *Can anyone answer this please* * : From 13:25 to 14:35, Shri Oak explains by demonstration, how 4 shrutis of Sa, Ma and Pa 3 shrutis of Re and Dha 2 shrutis of Ga and Ni are arranged and can be played through Shruti Veena. One question struck me: Why he chose Kafi scale for this demonstration??? Sa Re ga Ma Pa Dha ni (ga and ni are taken komal to suit the shloka) why??? If we take the Bilawal scale of shuddha swaras, then the demonstration seems to fail !!!
nada - a wave train. regular repeatable wave form of any frequency. Dhvani: can be even a random signal, finite signal, any random form is okay. you could please use the display of an oscilloscope to illustrate this difference.
Really good work & wonderfully explained. I have a question, the 12 swaras in harmonium, what frequency they are tuned to? Is it lower/upper/middle of a swara, e.g. for Kamol ga which has lower & upper sruti freq. In harmonium komal ga is tuned to what?
In regular (12-Tone -European-Equitempered) harmoniums, 10 notes come "in-between" the lower and higher shrutis. P is also not at 150 (if S=100), but a miserable 149.83! Many harmoniums are not properly tuned even to the European tuning, but that is another story. Dr.Oke
This is an amazing explanation of 22 shruti concept of our Bhatiya classical music. Pranaamams to you ! I have one query that I would like you to clarify. For a single swara, suppose komal rishabha, you mention starting point as one shruti & ending point as another shruti. If the same swara is occupied in this range between the 2 shrutis, why do we consider the starting point & ending point of the same swara as different shrutis ? Please enlighten
You missed the difference between "Nada" and "Swara". Listen again. "Nada" are "connecting" sounds which are always "moving" (as in aalap), while "Shrutis" at the 2 ends are used in a "steady" manner (as nyasa), called as "Swaras". Dr.Oke
thank you for explaining dr. its a fascinating piece of knowledge. One question though - you say the Pancham (gamag) doesnt sound good and so its a fixed note. if something sounds good or not is subjective isnt it ? maybe in hindustani classical culture it doesnt sound good but there might be some form of music where it does sound good? or to another ear it might sound good? i would like to know your opinion please.
In Indian or Carnatic Classical Music, S and P are fixed notes with fixed frequencies. We simply cannot tune Tanpura unless the ratio of S:P = 100:150. P is the 3rd natural harmonic of S and hence cannot have any other frequency. But it could be different in the music of other countries/cultures. Thanks. Dr.Oke
That is how 'Hindustani Music' is perceived by Human Brain due to the Nature's Neural arrangement. If one 'stays' on a string in an ASURA area, it is NOT perceived as a 'musical note'. Dr.Oke
Please see my video on TH-cam : "22 Shruti Positions", for noting exact positions (as % of the string length) for all 22 shrutis. These percentages remain same for any string instrument, string made of any metal, tuned to any Shadja, and played by anybody ! Nature's Miracle. Thanks.
Another question: you mentioned in Carnatic music there are 6 gandhars, rishabs etc. But when you showed us you showed the gandhars starting from R1 and R2 which are shuddh rishabhs? Sorry for my ignorance. lots to learn.
Each of R1/R2/R3 or G1/G2/G3 or D1/D2/D3 or N1/N2/N3 etc have 2 varieties each (starting and ending points on the string as shown). So, 6 shrutis of Gandhar are starting and endpoints of of G1/G2/G3. 6 shrutis of Rishabh are starting points of R1/R2/R3...and so on for D and N too. Simple. Thanks. Dr.Oke
Thank you, Sir. I have a question, I heard someone saying in Arabia they had 49 shruti system. Can you tell what these 49 could be. And how logical would it be.
Shruti is an Indian ancient word for selected 22 sounds in a Saptak which define the limits of 12 Swaraprakara (types of notes). The other claims if any, are not useful to us. Dr.Oke
shruti: here we first choose a base frequency (nada). then only those frequencies which have a simple ratio to the selected frequency (nada) are picked up form a set called the shrutis. for every selected base nada, there are 22 shrutis associated with it.
Area of Daemon ? How can you name and call it area of damon ? Why are you saying it doesn't sounds good ? It's more of a perspective thing. Please explain sir
Osam Sir but make a seperate video for ratio of the shrutis 10/9,, 32/27,, 16/9 ...........etc Highly confusing Cent sewart etc v ll b eagerly lookg for this video v r not abl to understand it properly
A semitone above= [2 to power(1/12)] ratio higher than the original pitch And 100cent is one semitone. But did you know, this western system is equally out of tune?
So, why is it 256/243 as Purna Shruti? Where is this defined? Also, 5.35% is not exact. 5.35 is a rounding up of 5.349794238683128, and if continued along the scale, will lead to being 2 cents off key.
I can answer all your questions if we meet, as they cannot be provided here. But, consider that 256/243 = r1, which, when progressed by 'Pure 5th', '5 times consecutively', we get precise values of r1-->d1-->g1-->n1-->m1--S !! So reaching 'S or Shadja' by a cycle of 'pure 5ths' is possible only from 'r1 when it is at 256/243'. Further, rounding off to 5.35 is 'musically' adequate. Decimal fractions beyond this cannot be musically sensed by human ear. Thanks. Dr.Oke
Good research but impractical. The instrument can only be played in 1 scale it has been tuned for. In an instrument tuned to equi tempered tuning any scale can be played leading to more variety and flexibility.
@@chandrikadt How is any of the South Indian language not a Hindustani language ? Also, how many South Indian languages do you know fluently . ( I know 4 of them ). Aur mujhe Hindi bhi aata hai. Par aapko aise kyun lagtha hai ki South Indian languages Hindustani nahi hai? Aise koi rule hai kya ? Ki Hindi aata hai toh, aap Hindustani ho?
Also, Hindi is not our "National Language" . It is one of our "Official Languages" . So is all the major South India languages. I have nothing against Hindi. But I don't appreciate people who like to impose something on someone.
please sir. with due regard...i reqest you politely to pronounce. .only raag..taal.swar..etc.....not like raga laya etc....pls..we should not change our main pronouncings of indian languages...sun ne me bhi bda ajib lgta he....hmare mull bharrtiyy shbdo k sath angrez chhed chhad na ki jaay....its a polite reqest...rest yu wish..
Dr Vidhyadar Oke deserves Nobel price for music !! He should be honored of the higest distinction in the world of music for this work for humanity !!
Beautifully explained I am an Indian classical music student and I knew a bit about shrutis, but hearing them so clearly on this instrument was so soothing and fascinating to watch. Thanks to everyone who has been a part of this creation. Pranaam 🙏🙂
Hats off to the descriptive knowledge by this Great Master !!!
Beautifully explained. Imagine this was defined thousands of years back.
Thankyou for making us understand these important abstract and beautiful concepts for free ❤
Just mind-boggling. Have downloaded your app of 22 shrutis quite some time back but was not aware of these intricacies
Can it get any simpler than this..??? What an amazing explanation !!!
With such a beautiful narration, anyone will easily understand (and appreciate) the beauty and grandeur of Indian Classical Music... Kudos to you and also to the complete team.
If its soo simple please give me the example of shrutis considered in the difference of shrutis when all the swaras are considered.
Please explain me the ratio part i mean how do i divide all the shrutis by 256 to get rishabh on 243.....!??!!!
Wonderful n Pranam to Sir jee to show Sangeetha eyes to the world of layman. Thanks Sir jee!
You're a genius Mr. Oke🙏🏼
Excellent explanation.Makes the concepts of Swaras and Shrutis so clear🎉
Beautiful explanation 👌.. This happens only when musician become Physics professor ..
Or vice versa
I searched the whole world for this, Pranam Guru Ji 🙏
Amazing... proud to know how evolved our music is... thanks for sharing Sir.
Just fabulous and such depth knowledge. 🙏🙏🙏 thanks for sharing with us all. Amazing series
What an amazing explanation and experimental varification of Pa and Sa shrutis. Amazing.
So Beautifully explained ..as it was creating doubt in my mind ..now all clear. My deep respect to you sir,
Verywell explained. Thank you so much. The video was so helpful.
Anand ho gaya. Bahut badhiya
I am a guitar player and mind blown by this theory which is not present in any form in western music
Thank you so much for a clear comprehensive & such a informative class on this. Though we know about the 22 shrutis , but learning it scientifically, makes it even more interesting. 🙏
Thank you so much Sir for simplifying invaluable knowledge
Wow... Omg so simple but not cleared before this video tnku so much 🙌🏻
So deep so informative
Superb sir , very deep explanation. Cleared all concept of Shruti.
सादर नमन sir, Very beautifully explained by you. Thank you very much.
Great explanation, great discovery, nadas are so pleasant.
Much awaited video ty so much
A significant contribution to music lovers. Thank you so much sir.
Thanks for your brilliant research work and for sharing it with the world at large! Well explained!
Extremely helpful video..Thanks for sharing.!!!
WoW! Brilliant!
wow.. this explanation is so special and unique. amazing knowledge sir has.
Well said sir ..thanks from Kerala
That Pancham made all points ❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏🙏
SHRUTIS are magic of emotions.
Now understood how swaras and Ragas come into being.
By Lord Saraswathi's grace, today I happened to watch this video. Unbelievable and amazing explanation. I feel like Lord Saraswathi herself is explaining it to us. What is the name of the two string instrument you used to show the demo?
It's a Shruti Veena. Also found it on Dr. Oke's site: www.22shruti.com/22_shruti_veena.asp
Thanks
Thanks Guru ji
Thankyou thankyou so much sirrr😊😊thankyou...
Dr Oak should be felicitated with Padma Vibhushan award for this research and incomparable service to Indian Classical Music. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Beautiful explanation Sir
So clear, thank you!!
Very good sir
Amazing explanation
Thank you sir
QUESTION ❓❓❓
* *Can anyone answer this please* * :
From 13:25 to 14:35, Shri Oak explains by demonstration, how
4 shrutis of Sa, Ma and Pa
3 shrutis of Re and Dha
2 shrutis of Ga and Ni
are arranged and can be played through Shruti Veena.
One question struck me:
Why he chose Kafi scale for this demonstration???
Sa Re ga Ma Pa Dha ni
(ga and ni are taken komal to suit the shloka) why???
If we take the Bilawal scale of shuddha swaras, then the demonstration seems to fail !!!
Kafi scale is what Bharata's Natyashastra writes. I have only actually demonstrated it. Thanks. Dr.Oke
nada - a wave train. regular repeatable wave form of any frequency. Dhvani: can be even a random signal, finite signal, any random form is okay. you could please use the display of an oscilloscope to illustrate this difference.
Sur Asur analogy looks fascinating 😅
Great explanation 👍
Amazing! Very informative and entertaining!
Really good work & wonderfully explained. I have a question, the 12 swaras in harmonium, what frequency they are tuned to? Is it lower/upper/middle of a swara, e.g. for Kamol ga which has lower & upper sruti freq. In harmonium komal ga is tuned to what?
In regular (12-Tone -European-Equitempered) harmoniums, 10 notes come "in-between" the lower and higher shrutis. P is also not at 150 (if S=100), but a miserable 149.83! Many harmoniums are not properly tuned even to the European tuning, but that is another story. Dr.Oke
Thank you
This is an amazing explanation of 22 shruti concept of our Bhatiya classical music. Pranaamams to you !
I have one query that I would like you to clarify. For a single swara, suppose komal rishabha, you mention starting point as one shruti & ending point as another shruti. If the same swara is occupied in this range between the 2 shrutis, why do we consider the starting point & ending point of the same swara as different shrutis ? Please enlighten
You missed the difference between "Nada" and "Swara". Listen again. "Nada" are "connecting" sounds which are always "moving" (as in aalap), while "Shrutis" at the 2 ends are used in a "steady" manner (as nyasa), called as "Swaras". Dr.Oke
explained very well .... great
Many thanks 💐
thank you for explaining dr. its a fascinating piece of knowledge. One question though - you say the Pancham (gamag) doesnt sound good and so its a fixed note. if something sounds good or not is subjective isnt it ? maybe in hindustani classical culture it doesnt sound good but there might be some form of music where it does sound good? or to another ear it might sound good? i would like to know your opinion please.
In Indian or Carnatic Classical Music, S and P are fixed notes with fixed frequencies. We simply cannot tune Tanpura unless the ratio of S:P = 100:150. P is the 3rd natural harmonic of S and hence cannot have any other frequency. But it could be different in the music of other countries/cultures. Thanks. Dr.Oke
Namaskar !! Could u please expound on the origin of sound.! Why is music NOT created in the ASURA area ? 💐💐
That is how 'Hindustani Music' is perceived by Human Brain due to the Nature's
Neural arrangement. If one 'stays' on a string in an ASURA area, it is NOT perceived as a 'musical note'. Dr.Oke
Nice thank you, shall I get the measurement of the 22 shruthi in cm.
Please see my video on TH-cam : "22 Shruti Positions", for noting exact positions (as % of the string length) for all 22 shrutis. These percentages remain same for any string instrument, string made of any metal, tuned to any Shadja, and played by anybody ! Nature's Miracle. Thanks.
@@VidyadharOkeDr once again follow the video for,(myself) thanks a lot.
The instrument u r using sir, what is its name is it Shruti Veena.
You can call it anything. You can play the 22 shrutis even on a Tanpura. Thanks. Dr.Oke
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Wooo
Another question: you mentioned in Carnatic music there are 6 gandhars, rishabs etc. But when you showed us you showed the gandhars starting from R1 and R2 which are shuddh rishabhs? Sorry for my ignorance. lots to learn.
Each of R1/R2/R3 or G1/G2/G3 or D1/D2/D3 or N1/N2/N3 etc have 2 varieties each (starting and ending points on the string as shown). So, 6 shrutis of Gandhar are starting and endpoints of of G1/G2/G3. 6 shrutis of Rishabh are starting points of R1/R2/R3...and so on for D and N too. Simple. Thanks. Dr.Oke
good
Thank you, Sir.
I have a question, I heard someone saying in Arabia they had 49 shruti system. Can you tell what these 49 could be. And how logical would it be.
Shruti is an Indian ancient word for selected 22 sounds in a Saptak which define the limits of 12 Swaraprakara (types of notes). The other claims if any, are not useful to us. Dr.Oke
Please explain me the ratio part i mean how do i divide all the shrutis by 256 to get rishabh on 243.....!??!!!
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I am really Impressed....But searching some Videos of some Indian Classical Gurus ....who can or explaing this shruti System.🌹🙏
There are NONE. This is MY DISCOVERY of the ancient 22 shrutis. Thanks. Dr.Oke
shruti: here we first choose a base frequency (nada). then only those frequencies which have a simple ratio to the selected frequency (nada) are picked up form a set called the shrutis. for every selected base nada, there are 22 shrutis associated with it.
How to apply the shurti
I have a Question. The western notes are based on 12 TET system. Do their notes fall/ match one of our 22 shrutis.
Not a single note from 12 TET matches with 22 Shrutis. Dr.Oke
Area of Daemon ? How can you name and call it area of damon ? Why are you saying it doesn't sounds good ? It's more of a perspective thing. Please explain sir
My comment of area of demon is only as regards Indian Classical Music. Thanks. Dr.Oke
If its soo simple please give me the example of shrutis considered in the difference of shrutis when all the swaras are considered..
Osam Sir
but make a seperate video for ratio of the shrutis
10/9,, 32/27,, 16/9 ...........etc
Highly confusing
Cent
sewart
etc
v ll b eagerly lookg for this video
v r not abl to understand it properly
A semitone above= [2 to power(1/12)] ratio higher than the original pitch
And 100cent is one semitone.
But did you know, this western system is equally out of tune?
Wow. What a brilliant explanation.👌👌🙏🙏
So, why is it 256/243 as Purna Shruti? Where is this defined? Also, 5.35% is not exact. 5.35 is a rounding up of 5.349794238683128, and if continued along the scale, will lead to being 2 cents off key.
I can answer all your questions if we meet, as they cannot be provided here. But, consider that 256/243 = r1, which, when progressed by 'Pure 5th', '5 times consecutively', we get precise values of r1-->d1-->g1-->n1-->m1--S !! So reaching 'S or Shadja' by a cycle of 'pure 5ths' is possible only from 'r1 when it is at 256/243'. Further, rounding off to 5.35 is 'musically' adequate. Decimal fractions beyond this cannot be musically sensed by human ear. Thanks. Dr.Oke
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श्रृती वीणा कितनेकी है
Good research but impractical. The instrument can only be played in 1 scale it has been tuned for. In an instrument tuned to equi tempered tuning any scale can be played leading to more variety and flexibility.
You get variety and flexibility at the cost of accuracy and perfect harmony as given by Tanpura. Thanks. Dr.Oke
Also, I forgot to mention that Sarod, Sitar, Veena, Violin, Dilruba, Sarangi, Tanpura, Tabla etc., are ALL played in 1 scale only. Thanks. Dr.Oke
swara: a selection of 5, 6, or 7 shrutis oof the 22 used to play a raaga. that is my summary
Almost perfect. But, exceptionally, some Ragas have less than 5 or more than 7 shrutis. You can search for examples as you wish.Thanks. Dr.Oke
I guess it should be 243 / 256 and not the other way round :)
No, 256:243 is a ratio, not a fraction.
Arabic scale?!
Hindustani sangit ke liye.. Hidustani rashtra bhash ma kyo nhi bolte..
English..❌
I'm from South India. Thanks to him I could understand and many more of other South Indians interested in "our" classical music can be benefited.
@@Hari2897 oh..yes but as a indean every south indian should know huindustani language first ..then english..
@@chandrikadt How is any of the South Indian language not a Hindustani language ? Also, how many South Indian languages do you know fluently . ( I know 4 of them ). Aur mujhe Hindi bhi aata hai. Par aapko aise kyun lagtha hai ki South Indian languages Hindustani nahi hai? Aise koi rule hai kya ? Ki Hindi aata hai toh, aap Hindustani ho?
Also, Hindi is not our "National Language" . It is one of our "Official Languages" . So is all the major South India languages.
I have nothing against Hindi. But I don't appreciate people who like to impose something on someone.
@@Hari2897 exactly brother... patriotism is fine.. but blind patriotism is stupidity.. thanks for ur clarification🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️❤️😇
please sir. with due regard...i reqest you politely to pronounce. .only raag..taal.swar..etc.....not like raga laya etc....pls..we should not change our main pronouncings of indian languages...sun ne me bhi bda ajib lgta he....hmare mull bharrtiyy shbdo k sath angrez chhed chhad na ki jaay....its a polite reqest...rest yu wish..
You have also used the word 'Indian' for 'Bharatiya', and 'Sir' for 'Shreeman'. Dr.Oke
Great explanation
Beautiful practical explanation
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