Kind of feel bad for killing the heretic now... Plus that line "The humans have good cause to shoot us on sight" shows regret for the actions taken against the humans. He doesn't say something like "They are filthy beasts" or anything, just that we have a good reason to be resentful as if he his taking some blame for what happened.
colebowlin68 Yeah I have always thought this as well - it was like he wanted to convert him and then at the opportune moment shot away. I wonder what would of happened if he gave him the chance to listen
Some within the covenant though humanity deserved a place within the covenant due to how well we fought and had gained some level of respect towards us.
Damn.... This really does highlight two things about the Arbiter. 1. The dude may be an ally of the UNSC now, even a friend to some, but he was a freaking demon before - a zealot who truly believed that he was justified in genocide. He might have been brainwashed by the Prophets, but he's got a lot to answer for. 2. If the Prophets and the High Council weren't absolute idiots and had kept Thel as a fleet commander, they might have actually won the war.
At the end of Halo 3, Admiral Hood said to the Arbiter " I remember how this war started. What your kind did to mine. I can't forgive you... but you have my thanks." This shows that the Arbiter is not innocent/forgiven to what he did.
@@qrrov6728 Yes, but failure to punish Thel would have damaged the prophets reputation. Making him the Arbiter covers their ass, but lets them keep him to utilize his unique skill sets. The Prophets truest mistake, was removing the Sangheili from acting as the Prophets guards. A position they had held since the covenants founding.
Dothurnaax Want to hear something even more terrifying? 10,000 Grunts with fuel rod cannon 10,000 more Grunts with plasma pistols and 10,000 Suicide Grunts on Legendary with the catch skull on
Also: "They have very good cause to kill us on sight." I have to wonder the regret Sela felt here, realising he'd slaughtered so many innocents for a lie. And then realising that any attempt for peace would likely be met with aggression. He was literally trying to save the galaxy with a survey team. And holy shit he was friends with Thel. I always wondered why Sela didn't let Spark speak to the Thel - he shot at him before that could happen. In that moment, he decided the title of Arbiter meant Thel would never listen, that he would blindly follow the Prophets, and gave up on trying to save him.
Because the station was in freefall on a gas giant in the middle of a massive storm, while being overrun by Flood, an Arbiter is the highest rank only under the Prophets for the Covenant's cause and the most fanatical. Even before he was the Arbiter, Thel was responsible for a billion human casualties.
I also theorize that since he knew he was going to die and tarturus was surveying Thel he instead just planted doubt of the prophets into Thel before sacrificing himself for thel's sake
@@theia1653 To say nothing of the fact that he was a zealot, only the most battle-hardened and loyal believers in the covenant faith were given that rank. It took treason by the prophets themselves to make arbiter ask questions.
Does anyone think that maybe if the heretic guy didnt open fire on the arbiter, he wouldve survived, the arbiter would have learned the truth, and the elites wouldve left the covenant alot earlier?
I don't think so, though. Tartarus was there, remember? I'm pretty sure the Prophets ordered him to keep an eye on Thel and to ensure that Guilty Sparks didn't reveal anything
What gets me is from the Halo: CEA terminals at the end when he first arrives at the gas mine. Elite: [Apologizes for his fellow Covenant members, goes on this huge rant about how they will be punished for such actions, etc] 343 Guilty Spark: Oh my, your people have grown quite dramatic over the last 100,000 years...
Peter DeLury it was horrible to watch your home world being desolations. What ever happened? I thought the grunts join the elites doing the covenant civil war.
@@air_owl-warlock7812 The Grunts joined whoever was their direct superior officer during the civil war. Most of them were still on Brute operated ships and remained "loyal" to the Covenant, others followed the Elites in their uprising (several Grunts help the player during the events of the schism in Halo 2). The only reason why we don't see friendly Grunts in Halo 3 is that the Elites never actually send a large ground force in battle, they only use small specialized assault teams, composed only by the vastly superior Elites
@@air_owl-warlock7812 actually, the grunts didn't care _particularly_ about their homeworld. Balaho is a nigh-inhositable, freezing hellhole which spits out scorching hot, flaming tornadoes from the *ground.* Most of the grunts were all-too-happy to live in the slums of High Charity as opposed to that place. The surrender was more along the lines of losing billions of Unggoy as opposed to them losing their homeworld. In essence, it was an intimidation tactic, manipulating the cowardly nature of the Grunts through a show of force that took them to the negotiating table. Pretty smart by the Arbiter involved, if I do say so myself.
I LOVE that 343 Industries is bringing some of the deeper and more obscure Halo lore into the main series. The players could use a bit of extra backstory on some of the stuff fans who've been avid readers know.
These Terminals are definitely a good addition to the game series since a great amount of people never took a good look into the "Expanded Universe" or overall backstory to Halo, which is full of good stuff. I do wish they did a lot more than the one Terminal entry about Operation First Strike but that's alright.
Although we recorded this in high quality, you will some some instances of lower quality picture. The reason for this is that all terminals are NOT on disc, but rather on the Halo Channel, so they're streamed every time you watch. Even though we have a good internet connection, every now again you will see a slight degradation of quality because of quick buffering. We tried recording several times with similar results. We figure the Halo Channel still needs some work, especially considering how terrible the Halo MCC servers have been at launch. If we see improvements in the future we will re-record for you guys.
That's interesting and now it makes sense about the lack of full quality. The HCEA Terminals were included in the disk (all of them in .usm format, 1152x648px and in 8 different languages, every single in a .adx audio format).
19:04 ok....for everyone who played halo and love killing grunts....this must be the moment when you feel how much horrible guy you are when you killed all those grunts all game long :P To all the grunts i ever killed....sorry
I feel so bad now... All that time slowly picking them off watching them run and beg for mercy as a walked up to them calmly after dispatching the elites ................ Then I .... I .... I KILLED THEM ALL WITHOUT EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT.... And i was merciless.... At least it was relatively quick getting hut by the but of an assault rifle with superhuman strength...... I used to think they weren't worth the bullet... I regret it all now........... To any grunts I've killed or who's family's are forever grieving I AM SORRY
damn... i feel sorry for them... i killed billions without knowing their story... their survival... at least the ones who run away from me i didn't kill them cuz they weren't worth waisting bullets, but i was like "nah, they will be dead anyway..." so... unngoys! i'm sorry for killing you behind your butts!! ;-;
What the hell are you talking about if he had just told thel what guilty spark said he might have listened to him it was the heritic leader who opened fire so it's his own fault
It's basic psychology that no one likes to be prven wrong, and that it can trigger a fight or flight instinct. Had the monitor said something reckless to someone who was *so* faithful that he accepted to go on suicide runs to restore his honor, Thel would've just closed his mind even further, rejecting the truth outright. He learned the truth gradually. First, he was told that the profets were lying, then he was told that Halo is a weapon. When all you know and all you see is based on religion, you cannot just tell someone "IT'S A LIE LULZ!", they have to learn it gradually over time.
Sesa also reasoned (correctly) that Thel would have immediately been named Arbiter if he weren’t executed for the destruction of Installation 04. Since the Sangheili thrive of honor, the Arbiter would happily run to their death in the hope of regaining their lost honor
Well to put Sesa’s words close as i can get and remembered I’d rather die by your hands than those that follow the covenant cause he knew that his people were blind by the profits words and hope that his messages would at least one elite to finally seek the truth about the great journey and halo weather he knew the elites would be betrayed by the covenant or not sesa did what all his people do when chosen to the life as a warrior to die til the bitter end and fight what they know is right at least he had the option to choose who he would die by before untimely death it does make you wonder what would he think of how things have turned out in the halo series if he was still alive and was kept prisoner at the holy city then being killed at the mining platform by the arbiter.
I like how they confirmed that "The Duel" from "Halo:Legends" is Canon. The expansion on previously mentioned backstory is also fascinating, especially about little mentioned things like the Grunt Rebellion and Unyielding Hierophant from the book "The Fall of Reach". It also explains how Regret fucked up so badly; the Forerunner information on Erde-Tyrene was from when we were still devolved, after they defeated Humanity. Seeing more on the backstory of Thel Vadam is neat to see. Also, learning more about why Sesa 'Refumee turned on the Covenant is quite interesting; the fact that the Thel/Arbiter kills him when Sesa was telling the truth the entire time makes his death sad. Thank you for uploading this, as I cannot afford a One for quite some time.
Nice connection there. Plus there was the mention of the Covenant fleet from "First Strike" that the regrouped Master Chief and blue team took out on the way back to Earth from Reach.
yep, but I lumped that in with Unyielding Hierophant. All things considered, this isn't the worst way I've seen a franchise attempt to tidy up their own canon scattered across Digital and Physical media...
anime how the covenant was formed, for one, why the position of "arbiter" which is usually a badge of honor was instead a last chance at dying with your sins expunged and your honor restored for another, just why the Forerunners pushed the Button that wiped out everything, even the suit and reason for fighting on Algolis that we see in The Prototype helps flesh out background lore.
These terminals are really good, and give us some great backstory on the Arbiters, the Elites, the origins of the Covenant, and the events between Halo CE and Halo 2. Check it out!
Well (now that I think about it) those (modern) Unngoy are no more than twelve years old if I remember correctly, plus they've been conditioned for total obedience through fear. If it were me, I'd run away before A: I get shot in the head; or B: someone else comes along and drags me back by my neck.
It was the heretics fault, spark was 2 seconds from telling arbiter the truth but then the heretic just started blasting at him, RIGHT AFTER HE TOLD THE ARBITER TO LISTEN TO SPARK
The fall of the Covenant was the Prophets' own doing...by letting the most dangerous Sanghelli live despite his failure....by letting him become the Arbiter....
Arbiters were meant to be sent on suicide mission, that were too difficult for the prophets to handle. The idea was to get rid of a political opponents while making use of his talents.
LimpShrimp no if u pay attention to what they all wear and act towards each other they're more Greek then for some reason once they meet the Covenant then they get all samurai like
marty mojzisik No they're more like japanese. The Spartans are more like Greek spartans. Why would bungie have 2 species that behave like spartans? Sanghelie have a sort of bushido code, live for their "brothers" and are more military than political
lol in 20:25 you can see a picture of the Arbiter from the Duel in Halo Legends, the one wielding 2 energy swords, exactly the one who disgraced the title.
Love the reference to the Cole Protocol in the beginning! Yes, I think it was Jai-006 from Spartan gray team (still in the original Mark IV armor) who slams into Thel (Arbiter), and Thel slams his head against Jai's repeatedly until his mouth fills with his own blood, and he screams: "Demon! Demon!" What a great part of the book, honestly, this terminal cutscene doesn't do it justice, but it's still cool to see.
The Halo Channel also has the annoying function of backing out of the video 3 seconds before it finishes, but leaving the audio running. We edited these instances out by cutting to black screen for a couple of seconds, or by slowing down the playback rate of the video for the last couple of seconds so that the video ends with the audio. These are by no means perfect solutions, but when the Halo Channel backs you out of the video, it gets annoying and it takes you out of the experience. So we though it would be better to edit that out.. We hope you understand.
I think Mike Colter did an excellent job as Agent/Spartan Locke in these terminals and on the miniseries Nightfall. I just don’t understand why they didn’t keep him to voice Locke in Halo 5.
Scheduling issues most likely. I think he was working on the Netflix Marvel shows at the time (probably filming Jessica Jones or Luke Cage) I do really love Ike Amadi's performance as Locke, but he didn't have that extra flare that Colter had. I'd love to see Colter return to the role though.
I am a long-time Halo fan, having grown up on the series. Halo 2 is the first game in the series that I picked up and fell in love with it despite its flaws. Watching this brought a fucking tear to my eye as to how they managed to inject so much backstory and lore into the game, rendered in such a beautiful fashion. They even tied in the Arbiter story from Halo Legends!
These are quite good, indeed. I commend 343 for sticking so closely to the rich lore established in the novels and other literary-based sources. One discrepancy I've noticed with an event I was familiar with, though, was the absorption of the Mgalekgolo into the Covenant. The terminal mentions an Arbiter that encountered them, yes, but it never mentions anything about the formidable resistance they initially mounted against the invading Sangheili. One source lead me to believe that their resistance was so fierce, that they managed to kill an Arbiter; and once they were forced to submit after intense orbital bombardment of their world, they were accepted into the Covenant as hard hitting, heavy infantry units to supplement the latter's military forces in light of their impressive combat prowess. I don't know. I still don't have any complaints about that terminal's version of the campaign. It was a fantastic piece of lore, nonetheless.
This is what 343 needs to continue doing. Did the guy who write this stuff write the Reclaimer Saga stuff too? I say this because whoever wrote these terminals needs to be the head of story-writing. Not only is this real accurate with the lore, but they added a hell lot more to it.
Thespartzter Yeah, I know. I plan to, but there is just too much lol. Most of what I do know is from cultural osmosis during my old vs debating days. I've read a few excerpts as well, but I hope to pick up some of them soon. :P
Not quite. Truth had already learned of the location of Earth before Regret. Unyielding Hierophant was created to harbor the greatest fleet the Covenant could render in order to attack Earth.
Well done 343 Industries these terminals tell an untold story that only those who have either read books or found other story bits not part of the games. like Halo 4 I am once again impressed by 343 industries keeping to the storyline that all Halo fans enjoy. With the impressive remastering of Halo 2 I look forward to be playing the newest addition to the halo saga halo 5 guardians with confidence that they will impress me once again.
***** ill give you the cortana hand-off that always bugged me, but i think i can offer a few counterpoints for the rest the chief may have been friendly with the arbiter and a few of his brethren but he had been fighting them for a LOT longer, so if one tried to stab him, its fair to assume they switched back (example: any truce ever). I'm pretty sure the entire covenant got wiped out in the same sense as the empire after return of the Jedi, in that there remain a few pockets of fanatics (who i imagine wouldnt be that bothered if anyone else wanted to join them) but that's just a theory thus far, which also explains the absence of brutes and buggers (who weren't in the first game anyway so ha). chiefs armor could have had some nanobot repair or something but its all a bit iffy because of that bloody great scratch on the chest so again, you may hold more sway there i think the entirety of halo 4 does quite a good job of showing cortana going mental, and i cant remember shit with just one voice picking apart my logic, so im more amazed by her capacity to not start shitting on the virtual carpets as she thinks herself to oblivion even if she does take a fiery shortcut the frigate is pretty expansive when we see it in halo 3 dropping our glorious dispenser of tungsten pain and again when we bounce off it in the long night of solace so its not a huge stretch to see it pretty well equipped as far as corridors and that one bit on the back with the missile and as for Halsey, i would think ONI, known for being halfway to the Illuminati as far as infrastructure goes, would be quite eager to hide the developer of the i imagine highly controversial spartan program from anyone without a big badge of ONI or something. BOOM next question i love talking halo with people who also like to talk halo
Technically the story doesn't require counterpoints, just a bit of deeper understanding. Also shut up my counterpoints study hard and their teacher says they're improving
yep he called you reclaimer a lot in halo 1 especially in the final mission where you are trying to destroy the Ship and every time he will say something then finish it off with reclaimer
+St0rm Fall in halo follower I watched a video why 343 guilty spark calls him that. in halo 4 also there are details why 343 calls him this just play halo 4
4:00 Maybe we shouldn't like the Arbiter, he is responsible for 1 billion human deaths and the loss of 7 human worlds. 6:00 Sesa Refumee 9:40 Part king, part judge 28:50 SO THAT'S WHY THE PROPHET OF REGRET AND HIS SMALL FLEET WENT TO EARTH EARLY!!!!
Do consider: A) Thel, at that point, was still a fanatic believer, bent on reclaiming his lost honour B) The station they were in was falling into a gas giant that would've crushed it hole. Gameplay factors aside, they would've had minutes at most, if not seconds C) As one of the terminals states, the Heretic leader didn't believe he could turn Thel. Hell, what was indicative in that scene that Thel was actually believing him? his look could be mistaken for mere awe of the Monitor. Were they anywhere else, then I would agree it would be stupid. But in this case, I believe it was a pragmatic choice: better to let one seen in shame by the Covenant die and live on to convert more followers, rather than waste time trying to sway him when he was about to die and there was no guarantee Thel would agree.
I'm honestly surprised the Cole Protocol worked as long as it did, especially with the fall of Reach which was basically the last bastion before Earth itself. And it didn't even fail at any point, the Covenant found Earth by complete accident.
Very nice little addition of backstory there. Even some stuff that wasn't mentioned in the books which is something I always appreciate. My biggest concern with the terminals was that they would just rehash what was already told in the books but as this is not the case I am quite pleased.
JD Parker I know this is four year comment but yeah I’m hoping they either make his character more likeable in infinite or just scrap/fade him into obscurity
V Diamond Dogs My guess is he’ll be a Player 3 or Player 4 in Halo Infinite. My biggest hope for the game is we get Chief and Arbiter as one and two, then Locke and Buck as three and four. Have Locke and Buck serve the roles N’tho and Usze played in Halo 3: They are present, but aren’t important to the story.
Anjaney Asreet Rout I can’t even fathom comparing Locke and Lasky to Buck. Buck is a gift from the Forerunners, Lasky and Locke served as exposition fodder with minimal character
Thel 'Vadam Hey, shouldn't you search for 117 together with Locke? shush! come back when you have found him....or when i can "command" you again in a game..... I really want the Arbiter as a playable char again...maybe even in an Spin Off
Just got halo: mcc after not playing for a few years. Discovered a terminal and had to see how many there were and to hear the story behind them. I've read most of the books and this adds to the lore and I love it
I'm not a fan of the direction that 343i is taking Halo.....but this still gives me hope as naive as it may be. This was a masterful way to both flesh out the covenant's history and the heretics at once. Honestly I'd argue this is some of the best Halo storytelling we've ever experienced, if 343i is capable of this; maybe just maybe they'll bring halo back to its glory. I'm still skeptical, but at least hopeful.
I haven't taken the time yet to locate all of the terminals. I hadn't realized just how much they were tying in the Evolutions mini-series into the main lore. It's actually pretty great to see it.
That was cool getting to hear voices behind Fred and Linda, also getting a quick glimpse of their faces. I new Linda was described with blood red hair and hazel eyes, but I never got Fred in picture. I can also put voices to the books I'm reading now. :P
commenting right after i finished watching the terminal on the grunt rebellion. I feel so bad for them now, poor guys are forced out to fight and they're basically canon fodder. Brave little buggers for trying to stand up against the covenant. My heart goes out to them :'(
@@sneaky5412 the covenant when done right were just more fun in general. The banished were an interesting idea but the original covenant were just too great an idea.
At 3:08 says he waited for them to get ready because they were caught off guard so he's "honorable", yet he turns on invisibility and kills them one by one while they can't see him at all so they're still getting killed off guard (you can tell by the dude spraying). Wow very honorable.
I think people misinterpret and romanticise such honour based warrior cultures. For me, it's less about showing mercy or respect to the humans and more about gaining more glory by killing armed opponents, it's less of a kindness to the humans and more about their own notions of honour. Plus, the Elites are generally pompous hypocrites. They certainly have no qualms about exterminating civilians. And most warrior cultures didn't really either.
Master Chief A tracking device was planted on one of the UNSC ships that went to reach, thats how they found us, they knew we self destructed ships upon attack or being border so they changed tact
I don't care how "awesome" Thel is now, he was directly responsible for the mass murder of up to one BILLION humans. Is everyone seriously okay to just dismiss everything wrong he did during the war? There is such a thing as war crimes, I'd think propagating the practice of extinction to be quite... hefty. I'm sure ONI will be looking for ways to quietly off him in Halo 5, considering that he's basically the voice of the Elites these days, and they wouldn't want to start another war. Then again, nobody truly cares; what's a billion dead filthy, primitive humans anyways? It's just a statistic, after all.
While tragic, the in universe context is rather important to consider. The culture outlined behind the elites gives them very little sway in the overall decision making process, not even allowing them control in deciding objectives in their campaigns. As specifically pointed out, any elites who grew to a large enough position of power and wisdom to actually question the genocide would have been quickly 'dealt with.' Based on how you interpret it as well, due to the strict martial 'honor' Thel displayed against the humans, it's entirely possible he was attempting to compile enough reports to have the humans brought into the covenant like the grunts were after the rebellions. Showing their military prowess and cunning. If he could have gotten enough information over a wide enough range and found some way to publicize it, it's entirely possible he could he could have saved far more humans than the schism did, or alternatively his own suicide would have. If he had simply been killed, its not as if all of the problems he present would have disappeared. But here I am applying broader ethical philosophies to a fictional universe ultimately constructed for the sake of a video-game.
A lot of Elites have the blood of millions of humans on their hands. It just something that happens on a war of this scale. Look at it from Thel's perspective. Chief blew up several covenant ships including the station Unyielding Hiyrophant, killed thousands of covenant soldiers, specifically Thel's Elite brethren, and blew up all of the covenant on the Halo ring. Thel held no grudge against the Chief for all the Elites he killed though. He even considered Chief a friend in the end.
Dylan V. I would agree that Chief killed a lot of Thel's comrades and (possible) friends, but that does not dismiss the fact that around 95~% of Human casualties were non-combatants; men, women and children who were incapable of defending themselves. That is hardly the same as killing those who kill for a living, who were fully prepared and aware of the fact that their lives could end at any moment. The billions of civilians, people who simply desired to live, but couldn't fight for it, is *not* the same as killing seasoned soldiers. Hell, the Covenant FED humans to their Grunts and Jackals, while the Elites watched all smug and grim. I actually think that NO alien civilians were killed in the entire duration of the conflict, aside from the Flood outbreak on High Charity. Unless something happened on Sangheilios (sorry if I spelt that wrong) that I'm not aware of, they pretty much sat their untouched, sending out young adults in order to conduct "honorable battle" in the name of the Covenant. Edit: You wanna know what the coolest part of this is? They show no remorse or regret their actions... at all. At least that's the vibe I got from Halo 3, where they just nod their heads and fly off back to their home world. Qwaar 'Jet I get what you're saying, and it was a war, but the fact that not even a ground soldier tried to ponder the *why* is so... unthinkable. It really was their religion really, and the Prophets had everyone wrapped around their fingers, but still nobody even tried to question why they were committing genocide on a species they didn't even know existed until recently. It seems the word "Heresy" and its connotations can be a reason to justify anything then, eh? Sick. I agree with the "Oracle," The Covenant species are woefully stupid; perhaps ONI will attempt to manipulate the aliens, since they're so prone to it.
Indigo199517 If humanity could have attacked the homeworlds of the Covenant, they almost definatly would have. They were actually planning to assault the prophets homeworld and take the Covenant leadership captive using the Spartan IIs right before Reach was attacked. If the UNSC was willing to nuke one of their colonies just to stop the insurgents, they would be willing to do a lot more to prevent extinction. I'm not saying either side is morally right, but the Elites were basically brainwashed into believing their only way into "Heaven" or their closest equivalent, was to exterminate humanity. Thel knows what he did was wrong, and knows it was completely pointless after finding out the Great Journey was a lie. Thel and the Sanghelli are valuable allies to the UNSC. If the ONI killed him, it wouldn't bring any of their 2 billion people back,and could actually damage their relations with the Sanghelli. No matter how much ONI hates him, I don't think they're willing to even risk starting another war.
Indigo199517 I'm sure as hell not going to say its morally... clean issue, but it is rather more ambiguous than your earlier commentary implied. Mostly this is a bit of a personal peeve with fiction reactions where, X alien is responsible for genocide or mass casualties, EXECUTION! It just seems... infantile, to ignore cultural implications, and depending on the fandom in question they completely ignore all the PROBLEMS such activity brings up. I've had a similar scifi discussion where somebody was pleased that a weapons scientist got brutally murdered by what was effectively a terrorist... before the scientist to say who supplied them or commissioned the work. They refused to see WHY that was AWFUL. So, a reasonable discussion with you, awesome!
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343 Guilty Spark - "Quite unacceptable".
What he really meant - "Oh for fuck sake, he blew up my fucking house"
But of course Guilty Spark is a British Gentleman and would not use such words!
***** But.... He IS a God o:
***** I am a God and to you i am another human on this here earth. We are all born unequal my friend
***** We fucking know
***** Its like you don't know you're on the internet right now
Kind of feel bad for killing the heretic now... Plus that line "The humans have good cause to shoot us on sight" shows regret for the actions taken against the humans. He doesn't say something like "They are filthy beasts" or anything, just that we have a good reason to be resentful as if he his taking some blame for what happened.
I love sesa's dialogue. It really shows how smart sangheili can be.
colebowlin68 Yeah I have always thought this as well - it was like he wanted to convert him and then at the opportune moment shot away. I wonder what would of happened if he gave him the chance to listen
You can also hear him on heroic, it’s pretty interesting. Didn’t get why he started shooting in the first place.
Threnan17 I wish we could have teamed up with him
Some within the covenant though humanity deserved a place within the covenant due to how well we fought and had gained some level of respect towards us.
Damn.... This really does highlight two things about the Arbiter.
1. The dude may be an ally of the UNSC now, even a friend to some, but he was a freaking demon before - a zealot who truly believed that he was justified in genocide. He might have been brainwashed by the Prophets, but he's got a lot to answer for.
2. If the Prophets and the High Council weren't absolute idiots and had kept Thel as a fleet commander, they might have actually won the war.
thekaboominator1 thats what why you never bring religion in a military situation
At the end of Halo 3, Admiral Hood said to the Arbiter " I remember how this war started. What your kind did to mine. I can't forgive you... but you have my thanks." This shows that the Arbiter is not innocent/forgiven to what he did.
@@cake. "You have my thanks for standing by him til the end."
If they would have let thel slide the entire covenant would still call him heretic and hate him
@@qrrov6728 Yes, but failure to punish Thel would have damaged the prophets reputation. Making him the Arbiter covers their ass, but lets them keep him to utilize his unique skill sets. The Prophets truest mistake, was removing the Sangheili from acting as the Prophets guards. A position they had held since the covenants founding.
Want to hear something terrifying? 10,000 Grunts with fuel rod cannons
+Sam Want to hear something more terrifying? 10,000 grunts with plasma pistols and fuel rods on legendary with the catch skull on
Dothurnaax Want to hear something even more terrifying? 10,000 Grunts with fuel rod cannon 10,000 more Grunts with plasma pistols and 10,000 Suicide Grunts on Legendary with the catch skull on
Sam By the Gods...
Dothurnaax Maybe toss in some Brute Chieftains and about 30 pairs of Hunters
+Sam an acceptable challenge
Also:
"They have very good cause to kill us on sight."
I have to wonder the regret Sela felt here, realising he'd slaughtered so many innocents for a lie. And then realising that any attempt for peace would likely be met with aggression. He was literally trying to save the galaxy with a survey team. And holy shit he was friends with Thel. I always wondered why Sela didn't let Spark speak to the Thel - he shot at him before that could happen. In that moment, he decided the title of Arbiter meant Thel would never listen, that he would blindly follow the Prophets, and gave up on trying to save him.
Exactly. I seem to recall reading somewhere that he knew the Arbiter wouldn't listen. He knew he was going to die.
Not to mention but they were super low on time
Because the station was in freefall on a gas giant in the middle of a massive storm, while being overrun by Flood, an Arbiter is the highest rank only under the Prophets for the Covenant's cause and the most fanatical. Even before he was the Arbiter, Thel was responsible for a billion human casualties.
I also theorize that since he knew he was going to die and tarturus was surveying Thel he instead just planted doubt of the prophets into Thel before sacrificing himself for thel's sake
@@theia1653 To say nothing of the fact that he was a zealot, only the most battle-hardened and loyal believers in the covenant faith were given that rank. It took treason by the prophets themselves to make arbiter ask questions.
Does anyone think that maybe if the heretic guy didnt open fire on the arbiter, he wouldve survived, the arbiter would have learned the truth, and the elites wouldve left the covenant alot earlier?
Yes
I don't think so, though. Tartarus was there, remember? I'm pretty sure the Prophets ordered him to keep an eye on Thel and to ensure that Guilty Sparks didn't reveal anything
Fair point Tartarus wouldn't let 343 say anything....
But still, Tartarus still believed in the Great Journey even after Guilty Spark reveals the truth so the prophets didn't tell him that it was a lie
JoeyKucumber Highly doubtful. Even the Gravemind had a hard time convincing him.
Jesus Christ, I feel horrible after watching this. All of the Unggoy I killed. They were forced into military servitude, and I killed them like rats.
Borne Stellar if you didn’t kill them they would’ve killed you
No wonder why sometimes they just run
Suffer not the Xeno to live.
Not only that, the jackals are a bunch of cucks towards the grunts for no apparent reason.
It’s the Prophets. Think of the Guardians from GL but 100x worst. They’re the sole reason for the war.
"I'm starting to fear that you're not very smart." Spark's got some quip in him.
its cuz hes an ancient human
What gets me is from the Halo: CEA terminals at the end when he first arrives at the gas mine.
Elite: [Apologizes for his fellow Covenant members, goes on this huge rant about how they will be punished for such actions, etc]
343 Guilty Spark: Oh my, your people have grown quite dramatic over the last 100,000 years...
@i hate anime you had 4 years to come up with an insult and thats the best you could do
@i hate anime if one thing here is taking an L, it would be your grammar.
That crying Unggoy. Gets me every time.
Peter DeLury it was horrible to watch your home world being desolations. What ever happened? I thought the grunts join the elites doing the covenant civil war.
@@air_owl-warlock7812 The Grunts joined whoever was their direct superior officer during the civil war. Most of them were still on Brute operated ships and remained "loyal" to the Covenant, others followed the Elites in their uprising (several Grunts help the player during the events of the schism in Halo 2). The only reason why we don't see friendly Grunts in Halo 3 is that the Elites never actually send a large ground force in battle, they only use small specialized assault teams, composed only by the vastly superior Elites
@@air_owl-warlock7812 actually, the grunts didn't care _particularly_ about their homeworld. Balaho is a nigh-inhositable, freezing hellhole which spits out scorching hot, flaming tornadoes from the *ground.* Most of the grunts were all-too-happy to live in the slums of High Charity as opposed to that place. The surrender was more along the lines of losing billions of Unggoy as opposed to them losing their homeworld.
In essence, it was an intimidation tactic, manipulating the cowardly nature of the Grunts through a show of force that took them to the negotiating table. Pretty smart by the Arbiter involved, if I do say so myself.
Downrange Cash2 incredibly brutal as well.
I want to like this comment but I won't. Please let the likes stay at 343
I LOVE that 343 Industries is bringing some of the deeper and more obscure Halo lore into the main series. The players could use a bit of extra backstory on some of the stuff fans who've been avid readers know.
Too bad the franchise went to shit after halo 3
@@balisticblyat5455 I seriously wish I had $1 for everytime I had to read a comment like this lol
He was complaining about Halo 4 and 5 not Halo 2....
@@7kslair153 reach sucked too
@@7kslair153 single player, the story and setting was bad compared to halo 1,2,3,4
When the guy said the covenant found earth i got chills.
Yeah, all those settlements would certainly need some help.
Preston Garvey
Looks like another settlement needs your help.
The Cole Protocol at that moment was rendered useless
When the guy said the covenant found earth I got word of another settlement that needs your help. Here, I'll mark it on your map.
These Terminals are definitely a good addition to the game series since a great amount of people never took a good look into the "Expanded Universe" or overall backstory to Halo, which is full of good stuff. I do wish they did a lot more than the one Terminal entry about Operation First Strike but that's alright.
+Jacob Prior Yeah well ,that could be a dlc at best since there isn't that much action.
Although we recorded this in high quality, you will some some instances of lower quality picture. The reason for this is that all terminals are NOT on disc, but rather on the Halo Channel, so they're streamed every time you watch. Even though we have a good internet connection, every now again you will see a slight degradation of quality because of quick buffering. We tried recording several times with similar results. We figure the Halo Channel still needs some work, especially considering how terrible the Halo MCC servers have been at launch. If we see improvements in the future we will re-record for you guys.
***** your name is ironic but good that we are all friends.
Quick Question is the first video affiliated with the achievement "Curious" for a terminal because my halo channel wont work
Gamer's Little Playground Thank you for your efforts, it is very much appreciated.
That's interesting and now it makes sense about the lack of full quality. The HCEA Terminals were included in the disk (all of them in .usm format, 1152x648px and in 8 different languages, every single in a .adx audio format).
19:04 ok....for everyone who played halo and love killing grunts....this must be the moment when you feel how much horrible guy you are when you killed all those grunts all game long :P
To all the grunts i ever killed....sorry
I feel so bad now... All that time slowly picking them off watching them run and beg for mercy as a walked up to them calmly after dispatching the elites ................ Then I .... I .... I KILLED THEM ALL WITHOUT EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT.... And i was merciless.... At least it was relatively quick getting hut by the but of an assault rifle with superhuman strength...... I used to think they weren't worth the bullet... I regret it all now...........
To any grunts I've killed or who's family's are forever grieving I AM SORRY
Melvin Cade well i kind of feel bad for killing grunts as well too :(
damn... i feel sorry for them... i killed billions without knowing their story... their survival... at least the ones who run away from me i didn't kill them cuz they weren't worth waisting bullets, but i was like "nah, they will be dead anyway..." so... unngoys! i'm sorry for killing you behind your butts!! ;-;
I watched the terminal, then left to see some grunts, and i just stared at them like 'IM SO SORRY!'
Yeah was for me like that, good those poor little things...I want to hug! xD
But I still kill them anyway :D
It's kind of sad to see that Sesa (Heretic Leader) Trusted Thel so much, knowing that he is eventually killed by him.
Yeah Sesa was one of my Fav characters and this just made me love him even more
What the hell are you talking about if he had just told thel what guilty spark said he might have listened to him it was the heritic leader who opened fire so it's his own fault
It's basic psychology that no one likes to be prven wrong, and that it can trigger a fight or flight instinct. Had the monitor said something reckless to someone who was *so* faithful that he accepted to go on suicide runs to restore his honor, Thel would've just closed his mind even further, rejecting the truth outright.
He learned the truth gradually. First, he was told that the profets were lying, then he was told that Halo is a weapon. When all you know and all you see is based on religion, you cannot just tell someone "IT'S A LIE LULZ!", they have to learn it gradually over time.
Sesa also reasoned (correctly) that Thel would have immediately been named Arbiter if he weren’t executed for the destruction of Installation 04. Since the Sangheili thrive of honor, the Arbiter would happily run to their death in the hope of regaining their lost honor
Well to put Sesa’s words close as i can get and remembered I’d rather die by your hands than those that follow the covenant cause he knew that his people were blind by the profits words and hope that his messages would at least one elite to finally seek the truth about the great journey and halo weather he knew the elites would be betrayed by the covenant or not sesa did what all his people do when chosen to the life as a warrior to die til the bitter end and fight what they know is right at least he had the option to choose who he would die by before untimely death it does make you wonder what would he think of how things have turned out in the halo series if he was still alive and was kept prisoner at the holy city then being killed at the mining platform by the arbiter.
You heard it here first, folks; 343 Guilty Spark is a tool.
Money Cat lol forge references
Ha ha suck it spark that is what you get for killing Johnson
PLEASE! DONT SHAKE THE LIGHTBULB.
I like how they confirmed that "The Duel" from "Halo:Legends" is Canon. The expansion on previously mentioned backstory is also fascinating, especially about little mentioned things like the Grunt Rebellion and Unyielding Hierophant from the book "The Fall of Reach". It also explains how Regret fucked up so badly; the Forerunner information on Erde-Tyrene was from when we were still devolved, after they defeated Humanity.
Seeing more on the backstory of Thel Vadam is neat to see.
Also, learning more about why Sesa 'Refumee turned on the Covenant is quite interesting; the fact that the Thel/Arbiter kills him when Sesa was telling the truth the entire time makes his death sad. Thank you for uploading this, as I cannot afford a One for quite some time.
Nice connection there. Plus there was the mention of the Covenant fleet from "First Strike" that the regrouped Master Chief and blue team took out on the way back to Earth from Reach.
yep, but I lumped that in with Unyielding Hierophant. All things considered, this isn't the worst way I've seen a franchise attempt to tidy up their own canon scattered across Digital and Physical media...
I agree with all that you say I don't know about you 343 Industries has impressed me once again
@i hate anime Say what you want, it fleshed out a lot of the backstory that was missing.
anime how the covenant was formed, for one, why the position of "arbiter" which is usually a badge of honor was instead a last chance at dying with your sins expunged and your honor restored for another, just why the Forerunners pushed the Button that wiped out everything, even the suit and reason for fighting on Algolis that we see in The Prototype helps flesh out background lore.
Half expected Regret to ask "Do you get to the cloud district very often? What am I saying, of course you don't"
Yeah, he does sound like that redguard fuck.
Haha laughed my ass off when I saw this
skyrim reference I'm guessing
+St0rm Fall Noooooooo, it's a fucking Fallout refference!
I'm sorry, the urge was too strong
"I'll have you know that there's no PUSSIEEEEEEEE"
These terminals are really good, and give us some great backstory on the Arbiters, the Elites, the origins of the Covenant, and the events between Halo CE and Halo 2. Check it out!
Thank you for the upload! I love a good halo history trip.
Thanks for the halo history field trip it explains a lot of questions me and a couple 100k halo fans had
nikolai belinski thanks for being the famous drunk that everyone loves
No problem ;)
Is the narrator Locke?
30:20 in the words of Sgt. Johnson
'Don't look like no "uneven elephant" to me'
"More like two squids kissing."
First strike was a amazing book
The Unggoy were merciless with their violence... Their tenacious volatility...
Pffffft! Case and point.
"LEADER'S DEAD! RUN AWAY!!!"
Well now you know WHY obviously.
when in doubt, flee.
+DavidELD "GET SHOT A-AAAAAH!!!"
Lol XD
Well (now that I think about it) those (modern) Unngoy are no more than twelve years old if I remember correctly, plus they've been conditioned for total obedience through fear. If it were me, I'd run away before A: I get shot in the head; or B: someone else comes along and drags me back by my neck.
I really wish the Arbitor hadn't killed that Elite man, that'd been one hell of a story.
True
It was the heretics fault, spark was 2 seconds from telling arbiter the truth but then the heretic just started blasting at him, RIGHT AFTER HE TOLD THE ARBITER TO LISTEN TO SPARK
+TheBatFan001 Fucking idiot, if you ask me LOL
+ProtoMario Woah, I didnt think I'd find you here.
It's really cool finally getting to see Fred and Linda.
Yeah, it's pretty nice!
Except they have Spartan IV armor! That shit didn't exist then, and the bullshit "nanotechnology" doesn't apply yet.
Nah Spartan 4 armor is sleeker. Blue team seems to be sticking with MK VI for whatever reason.
RIP Sesa 'Refumee: The Only One Who Understood the Truth :(
The fall of the Covenant was the Prophets' own doing...by letting the most dangerous Sanghelli live despite his failure....by letting him become the Arbiter....
Arbiters were meant to be sent on suicide mission, that were too difficult for the prophets to handle. The idea was to get rid of a political opponents while making use of his talents.
Nathan Guy Too bad that bit the Prophets hard in the ass
starkiller871 Indeed. Although he died he in turn became a martyr to spark the truth of the Sanshyum's deceptions
I wonder if he started broadcasting his message in an attempt to get the arbiter sent after him
Its weird but the Elites had a life just like the Spartans of old Greece did
And now they're being killed by Spartans too.
marty mojzisik They were more like the Japanese
LimpShrimp no if u pay attention to what they all wear and act towards each other they're more Greek then for some reason once they meet the Covenant then they get all samurai like
marty mojzisik
No they're more like japanese.
The Spartans are more like Greek spartans.
Why would bungie have 2 species that behave like spartans?
Sanghelie have a sort of bushido code, live for their "brothers" and are more military than political
@@animock3051 Alright guys, this was two years ago but holy shit that is the most nerdy discussion I've EVER seen! Love it.
lol in 20:25 you can see a picture of the Arbiter from the Duel in Halo Legends, the one wielding 2 energy swords, exactly the one who disgraced the title.
7thDylan also Ripa moramee
Love the reference to the Cole Protocol in the beginning! Yes, I think it was Jai-006 from Spartan gray team (still in the original Mark IV armor) who slams into Thel (Arbiter), and Thel slams his head against Jai's repeatedly until his mouth fills with his own blood, and he screams: "Demon! Demon!" What a great part of the book, honestly, this terminal cutscene doesn't do it justice, but it's still cool to see.
Man I miss the Arbiter, he needs to return to the franchise. I was disappointed he wasn't even mentioned in Infinite
He was mentioned
there was a stuffed animal easter egg lol
There was a small plushie of him and a marine dialogue where he said something along the lines of “I wonder what the arbiter is doing rn”
Hes probably in a dlc
Screw that, he's got an interesting storyline but he's a freakin killer with about a billion deaths on his hands. He's a helluva bad guy
The Halo Channel also has the annoying function of backing out of the video 3 seconds before it finishes, but leaving the audio running. We edited these instances out by cutting to black screen for a couple of seconds, or by slowing down the playback rate of the video for the last couple of seconds so that the video ends with the audio. These are by no means perfect solutions, but when the Halo Channel backs you out of the video, it gets annoying and it takes you out of the experience. So we though it would be better to edit that out.. We hope you understand.
I think Mike Colter did an excellent job as Agent/Spartan Locke in these terminals and on the miniseries Nightfall. I just don’t understand why they didn’t keep him to voice Locke in Halo 5.
Oxhorn Is A Shill Apparently it was a scheduling conflict between Halo 5 and his Marvel work. And I’m sure Marvel was paying him more.
Scheduling issues most likely. I think he was working on the Netflix Marvel shows at the time (probably filming Jessica Jones or Luke Cage)
I do really love Ike Amadi's performance as Locke, but he didn't have that extra flare that Colter had. I'd love to see Colter return to the role though.
It's so hard to remember the Arbiter was a genocidal murderer who glassed tons of planets.
Different arbiters
@@HealthySkepticism777 What? No it's not😂 Thel Vadame becomes the arbiter we know in the original trilogy
@@HealthySkepticism777 He still have a Fleet that glassed tons of planets even before become the Arbiter
The Elites have a lot to answer for.
Very late to say but mad credit to 343 for bringing in Miguel Ferrer to reprise his role as the heretic leader 10 years later
4:05 I love that you can hear Halo Reach-like music. A final, somber tribute to the lives lost.
I am a long-time Halo fan, having grown up on the series. Halo 2 is the first game in the series that I picked up and fell in love with it despite its flaws. Watching this brought a fucking tear to my eye as to how they managed to inject so much backstory and lore into the game, rendered in such a beautiful fashion. They even tied in the Arbiter story from Halo Legends!
All this halo lore is making my face tingle. feels good man
These are quite good, indeed. I commend 343 for sticking so closely to the rich lore established in the novels and other literary-based sources. One discrepancy I've noticed with an event I was familiar with, though, was the absorption of the Mgalekgolo into the Covenant. The terminal mentions an Arbiter that encountered them, yes, but it never mentions anything about the formidable resistance they initially mounted against the invading Sangheili. One source lead me to believe that their resistance was so fierce, that they managed to kill an Arbiter; and once they were forced to submit after intense orbital bombardment of their world, they were accepted into the Covenant as hard hitting, heavy infantry units to supplement the latter's military forces in light of their impressive combat prowess.
I don't know. I still don't have any complaints about that terminal's version of the campaign. It was a fantastic piece of lore, nonetheless.
I think maybe the tale about the Arbiter trekking across their homeworld is supposed to be before the war/bombardment.
24:12
When the Music cues as Sesa mentions Thel (Arbiter), it gave me chills knowing he is the “chosen one”
This is what 343 needs to continue doing. Did the guy who write this stuff write the Reclaimer Saga stuff too? I say this because whoever wrote these terminals needs to be the head of story-writing. Not only is this real accurate with the lore, but they added a hell lot more to it.
Actually most of the terminals were based off the extended universe and books! You should give them all a read :P
Thespartzter Yeah, I know. I plan to, but there is just too much lol. Most of what I do know is from cultural osmosis during my old vs debating days. I've read a few excerpts as well, but I hope to pick up some of them soon. :P
Exactly. This is the interesting stuff.
So it was the forerunners that sold out Earth.
+snivithefox butterfly effect my brother
+LegionaryWithAGladius darn lack of foresight.
+snivithefox the fuck kind of foresight do you have to see 100,000 years in the future
+Rogue Element (Ravager) The kind of ppl who stick giant magnets on the planets that they want glassed in 100,000 years.
Not quite. Truth had already learned of the location of Earth before Regret. Unyielding Hierophant was created to harbor the greatest fleet the Covenant could render in order to attack Earth.
It explains why the grunts are so freaking strong on legendary. Truly worthy infantry warriors
Well done 343 Industries these terminals tell an untold story that only those who have either read books or found other story bits not part of the games. like Halo 4 I am once again impressed by 343 industries keeping to the storyline that all Halo fans enjoy. With the impressive remastering of Halo 2 I look forward to be playing the newest addition to the halo saga halo 5 guardians with confidence that they will impress me once again.
***** how so?
*****
ill give you the cortana hand-off that always bugged me, but i think i can offer a few counterpoints for the rest
the chief may have been friendly with the arbiter and a few of his brethren but he had been fighting them for a LOT longer, so if one tried to stab him, its fair to assume they switched back (example: any truce ever). I'm pretty sure the entire covenant got wiped out in the same sense as the empire after return of the Jedi, in that there remain a few pockets of fanatics (who i imagine wouldnt be that bothered if anyone else wanted to join them) but that's just a theory thus far, which also explains the absence of brutes and buggers (who weren't in the first game anyway so ha).
chiefs armor could have had some nanobot repair or something but its all a bit iffy because of that bloody great scratch on the chest so again, you may hold more sway there
i think the entirety of halo 4 does quite a good job of showing cortana going mental, and i cant remember shit with just one voice picking apart my logic, so im more amazed by her capacity to not start shitting on the virtual carpets as she thinks herself to oblivion even if she does take a fiery shortcut
the frigate is pretty expansive when we see it in halo 3 dropping our glorious dispenser of tungsten pain and again when we bounce off it in the long night of solace so its not a huge stretch to see it pretty well equipped as far as corridors and that one bit on the back with the missile
and as for Halsey, i would think ONI, known for being halfway to the Illuminati as far as infrastructure goes, would be quite eager to hide the developer of the i imagine highly controversial spartan program from anyone without a big badge of ONI or something.
BOOM next question i love talking halo with people who also like to talk halo
Technically the story doesn't require counterpoints, just a bit of deeper understanding. Also shut up my counterpoints study hard and their teacher says they're improving
fucking flop
Opinion on 343 9 years later?
12:28 oh shit are they talking about that arbiter episode from Halo Legends?!
Yes, Sesa 'Refumee was talking about Fal 'Chavamee
holy crap, meridian, from halo 5, omg, they could have found a guardian
Oh shit you're right. That would have accelerated things significantly!
You mean Meridian Bay?
anyone notice when 343 guilty spark is talking to the heretic he says "your reclaimer" as in master chief?
yep he called you reclaimer a lot in halo 1 especially in the final mission where you are trying to destroy the Ship and every time he will say something then finish it off with reclaimer
he calls chief reclaimer for reasons I don't know
+St0rm Fall that's what he calls all humans
Well, simply put, at one time in Halo, the forunners were ancient humans, but for whatever reason this was changed.
+St0rm Fall in halo follower I watched a video why 343 guilty spark calls him that. in halo 4 also there are details why 343 calls him this just play halo 4
Goddamn. Years after playing Halo 2, and that ending gives me chills regardless.
4:00 Maybe we shouldn't like the Arbiter, he is responsible for 1 billion human deaths and the loss of 7 human worlds.
6:00 Sesa Refumee
9:40 Part king, part judge
28:50 SO THAT'S WHY THE PROPHET OF REGRET AND HIS SMALL FLEET WENT TO EARTH EARLY!!!!
"I'm getting the feeling that you're not very smart" LOL xD
Itheil I loled at that scene.
20:30, Our boy Ripa, straight out of Halo Wars
Hmm what's the best way to convince Thel 'Vadamee? I think I better open fire just as he begins to have doubts about the prophets.
"I'm beginning to think you are not very smart."
Do consider:
A) Thel, at that point, was still a fanatic believer, bent on reclaiming his lost honour
B) The station they were in was falling into a gas giant that would've crushed it hole. Gameplay factors aside, they would've had minutes at most, if not seconds
C) As one of the terminals states, the Heretic leader didn't believe he could turn Thel. Hell, what was indicative in that scene that Thel was actually believing him? his look could be mistaken for mere awe of the Monitor.
Were they anywhere else, then I would agree it would be stupid. But in this case, I believe it was a pragmatic choice: better to let one seen in shame by the Covenant die and live on to convert more followers, rather than waste time trying to sway him when he was about to die and there was no guarantee Thel would agree.
Let’s be honest Thel wouldn’t have believed him.
19:00 :'( can't stop crying. Right in the feels
Dude. The Arbiter was a fucking monster on the battlefield.
I'm honestly surprised the Cole Protocol worked as long as it did, especially with the fall of Reach which was basically the last bastion before Earth itself. And it didn't even fail at any point, the Covenant found Earth by complete accident.
Plot convenience.
Damn, the Arbiter is such a badass.
Very nice little addition of backstory there. Even some stuff that wasn't mentioned in the books which is something I always appreciate.
My biggest concern with the terminals was that they would just rehash what was already told in the books but as this is not the case I am quite pleased.
dude i cried when that grunt cried ;'(
19:36
"Mind your tongue"
Imagine being ONI and knowing all this.
Let’s just say I’m glad Johnson was there to get the Arbiter to start an alliance.
Am I the only one who finds Agent Locke annoying?
JD Parker I know this is four year comment but yeah I’m hoping they either make his character more likeable in infinite or just scrap/fade him into obscurity
A lot of people do for reasons I will never understand......
he was good imo like captain lasky and buck but others not so much
Anjaney Asreet Rout because he take so much place in the new story and he’s not interesting or fun to watch
V Diamond Dogs My guess is he’ll be a Player 3 or Player 4 in Halo Infinite. My biggest hope for the game is we get Chief and Arbiter as one and two, then Locke and Buck as three and four.
Have Locke and Buck serve the roles N’tho and Usze played in Halo 3: They are present, but aren’t important to the story.
Anjaney Asreet Rout I can’t even fathom comparing Locke and Lasky to Buck. Buck is a gift from the Forerunners, Lasky and Locke served as exposition fodder with minimal character
yeah...ok arby is a fucking badass
Hey Bruce, what are you getting your parents for Christm...... oh, too soon? ;)
I am grateful for your complement, b̶a̶t̶m̶a̶n̶ Bruce Wayne.
Thel 'Vadam
Hey, shouldn't you search for 117 together with Locke? shush! come back when you have found him....or when i can "command" you again in a game.....
I really want the Arbiter as a playable char again...maybe even in an Spin Off
Thel 'vadame
Well no, because its either Vadamee or Vadam but not Vadame ;D
Thel 'vadame And why would you be name me heretic? even some of the worst imposters know I had abandoned the old religion.
Just got halo: mcc after not playing for a few years. Discovered a terminal and had to see how many there were and to hear the story behind them. I've read most of the books and this adds to the lore and I love it
I'm not a fan of the direction that 343i is taking Halo.....but this still gives me hope as naive as it may be. This was a masterful way to both flesh out the covenant's history and the heretics at once. Honestly I'd argue this is some of the best Halo storytelling we've ever experienced, if 343i is capable of this; maybe just maybe they'll bring halo back to its glory. I'm still skeptical, but at least hopeful.
What is your opinion on infinite campaign?
This is really well put together. Well done!!!
I don't need a entire remake of halo 3, I just want remakes of the cutscenes and new terminal cutscenes.
Read "Broken Circle" for info on this San 'Shyuum historian and the whole formation of the Covenant! I did, and it all fits together now!
Great homage to The Duel from the Halo Legends movie
This really puts those two heretic missions in different light
I love the little nod to the Halo Legends story, The Duel.
love how they did canon "The Duel"
I feel bad for the Ungoy, poor little things :(
I haven't taken the time yet to locate all of the terminals. I hadn't realized just how much they were tying in the Evolutions mini-series into the main lore. It's actually pretty great to see it.
“I am starting to fear that you are not very smart”
“MIND YOUR TONGUE ORACLE!!”
That was cool getting to hear voices behind Fred and Linda, also getting a quick glimpse of their faces. I new Linda was described with blood red hair and hazel eyes, but I never got Fred in picture. I can also put voices to the books I'm reading now. :P
I feel sad every time i see in the book that keyes led them to reach... :,(
commenting right after i finished watching the terminal on the grunt rebellion. I feel so bad for them now, poor guys are forced out to fight and they're basically canon fodder. Brave little buggers for trying to stand up against the covenant. My heart goes out to them :'(
30:20 "Oh yeah, and Vice Admiral Whitcomb is dead..."
Shit, I need to read First strike one of these days.
SO happy to see the rest of blue team in the actual game and the acknowledgement of the events of first strike
Did anyone else tear up at the history of the Grunts? I felt it was really sad :c
Straight outta Halo: Cole Protocol and Halo: Contact Harvest.
6:16 12:21 Doubt.
20:30 343 gives a lesson on politics.
28:33 Forward unto dawn.
Fun fact: one of the stewards voices is GeneralIvan he does the voice of Cooler in Dragon Ball Z Abridged.
For real
heretic: i must convince the arbiter of the truth
also the heretic: opens fire on the arbiter when the arbiter begins to listen to guilty spark
The human covenant war was so interesting... I wish there was more we could see as a game.
i miss the covenant, i miss fighting a uniform enemy with loyal fighters rather than the banished thats all feral and brutal towards each other
@@sneaky5412 the covenant when done right were just more fun in general. The banished were an interesting idea but the original covenant were just too great an idea.
@@murloc_rampage3856 exactly
Thel Vadam really went from being humanity's greatest enemy to humanity's greatest ally.
9:20 Garrus from Mass Effect Series! :O
At 3:08 says he waited for them to get ready because they were caught off guard so he's "honorable", yet he turns on invisibility and kills them one by one while they can't see him at all so they're still getting killed off guard (you can tell by the dude spraying). Wow very honorable.
I think people misinterpret and romanticise such honour based warrior cultures. For me, it's less about showing mercy or respect to the humans and more about gaining more glory by killing armed opponents, it's less of a kindness to the humans and more about their own notions of honour. Plus, the Elites are generally pompous hypocrites. They certainly have no qualms about exterminating civilians. And most warrior cultures didn't really either.
12:34 Does anyone know who comes out to fight the arbiter? The guy with the glowing purple eyes.
It's in halo legends
Halo 2 has the coolest terminal videos
Lol, Locke, if you don't know how 'Vadam found Reach, why don't you just ask him?
XD, i guess hes gonna want to ask you a few questions too! XDDDD
When Locke did his report about Thel 'Vadam (September 26, 2552), the UNSC still was in war against the Covenant
Master Chief A tracking device was planted on one of the UNSC ships that went to reach, thats how they found us, they knew we self destructed ships upon attack or being border so they changed tact
The best part about Halo is the story. Nothing better than what this game created, and holy hell did it create something.
Yo that story of the arbiter who lost, Halo Legends man
Thanks for the upload =)
I like how so many were about Arby but not I single one included his own words XD
This was very interesting thanx for the upload
Sesa Refumee is such an awesome character
4:05 my man Vadamee putting Mao’s KDR to shame
Aw come on, why they are so mean with the grunties? ):
I mean wort wort wort.
seeing the bit about the origin of the arbiter's position gave me legends flash backs
I don't care how "awesome" Thel is now, he was directly responsible for the mass murder of up to one BILLION humans. Is everyone seriously okay to just dismiss everything wrong he did during the war? There is such a thing as war crimes, I'd think propagating the practice of extinction to be quite... hefty.
I'm sure ONI will be looking for ways to quietly off him in Halo 5, considering that he's basically the voice of the Elites these days, and they wouldn't want to start another war.
Then again, nobody truly cares; what's a billion dead filthy, primitive humans anyways? It's just a statistic, after all.
While tragic, the in universe context is rather important to consider. The culture outlined behind the elites gives them very little sway in the overall decision making process, not even allowing them control in deciding objectives in their campaigns. As specifically pointed out, any elites who grew to a large enough position of power and wisdom to actually question the genocide would have been quickly 'dealt with.'
Based on how you interpret it as well, due to the strict martial 'honor' Thel displayed against the humans, it's entirely possible he was attempting to compile enough reports to have the humans brought into the covenant like the grunts were after the rebellions. Showing their military prowess and cunning.
If he could have gotten enough information over a wide enough range and found some way to publicize it, it's entirely possible he could he could have saved far more humans than the schism did, or alternatively his own suicide would have. If he had simply been killed, its not as if all of the problems he present would have disappeared.
But here I am applying broader ethical philosophies to a fictional universe ultimately constructed for the sake of a video-game.
A lot of Elites have the blood of millions of humans on their hands. It just something that happens on a war of this scale. Look at it from Thel's perspective. Chief blew up several covenant ships including the station Unyielding Hiyrophant, killed thousands of covenant soldiers, specifically Thel's Elite brethren, and blew up all of the covenant on the Halo ring. Thel held no grudge against the Chief for all the Elites he killed though. He even considered Chief a friend in the end.
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I would agree that Chief killed a lot of Thel's comrades and (possible) friends, but that does not dismiss the fact that around 95~% of Human casualties were non-combatants; men, women and children who were incapable of defending themselves.
That is hardly the same as killing those who kill for a living, who were fully prepared and aware of the fact that their lives could end at any moment. The billions of civilians, people who simply desired to live, but couldn't fight for it, is *not* the same as killing seasoned soldiers.
Hell, the Covenant FED humans to their Grunts and Jackals, while the Elites watched all smug and grim.
I actually think that NO alien civilians were killed in the entire duration of the conflict, aside from the Flood outbreak on High Charity. Unless something happened on Sangheilios (sorry if I spelt that wrong) that I'm not aware of, they pretty much sat their untouched, sending out young adults in order to conduct "honorable battle" in the name of the Covenant.
Edit: You wanna know what the coolest part of this is? They show no remorse or regret their actions... at all. At least that's the vibe I got from Halo 3, where they just nod their heads and fly off back to their home world.
Qwaar 'Jet I get what you're saying, and it was a war, but the fact that not even a ground soldier tried to ponder the *why* is so... unthinkable. It really was their religion really, and the Prophets had everyone wrapped around their fingers, but still nobody even tried to question why they were committing genocide on a species they didn't even know existed until recently. It seems the word "Heresy" and its connotations can be a reason to justify anything then, eh? Sick. I agree with the "Oracle," The Covenant species are woefully stupid; perhaps ONI will attempt to manipulate the aliens, since they're so prone to it.
Indigo199517 If humanity could have attacked the homeworlds of the Covenant, they almost definatly would have. They were actually planning to assault the prophets homeworld and take the Covenant leadership captive using the Spartan IIs right before Reach was attacked. If the UNSC was willing to nuke one of their colonies just to stop the insurgents, they would be willing to do a lot more to prevent extinction. I'm not saying either side is morally right, but the Elites were basically brainwashed into believing their only way into "Heaven" or their closest equivalent, was to exterminate humanity. Thel knows what he did was wrong, and knows it was completely pointless after finding out the Great Journey was a lie.
Thel and the Sanghelli are valuable allies to the UNSC. If the ONI killed him, it wouldn't bring any of their 2 billion people back,and could actually damage their relations with the Sanghelli. No matter how much ONI hates him, I don't think they're willing to even risk starting another war.
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I'm sure as hell not going to say its morally... clean issue, but it is rather more ambiguous than your earlier commentary implied. Mostly this is a bit of a personal peeve with fiction reactions where, X alien is responsible for genocide or mass casualties, EXECUTION!
It just seems... infantile, to ignore cultural implications, and depending on the fandom in question they completely ignore all the PROBLEMS such activity brings up.
I've had a similar scifi discussion where somebody was pleased that a weapons scientist got brutally murdered by what was effectively a terrorist... before the scientist to say who supplied them or commissioned the work. They refused to see WHY that was AWFUL. So, a reasonable discussion with you, awesome!
Finally about time they explained the fleet engagements on unsc colonies
i feel like my life is the great journey
8:30 is the thumbnail, i love that picture