herO's WILD new Protoss strategy! StarCraft 2 (Best-of-3)
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- StarCraft 2 Tournament 2023 Global StarCraft League S3 - herO duels with GuMiho in this roller coaster Protoss vs Terran series!
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StarCraft 2 Legacy of the Void - Global StarCraft 2 League 2023 S3 - GuMiho (Terran) vs Creator (Protoss) - Best of 3
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After 6 years of watching Winter I still find the "Jimmy" running gag way funnier than I should.
I thought it was a real person for the longest time.
omg@@morgansfail2806
In our heart he is@@morgansfail2806
Is jimmy not real? 😂😂 I’ve been watching for years 😂
Jimmy, the hero we didn't know we needed, but the hero we got
I'm some old guy who knows just enough about the game to get most of Winter's humorous commentary. His creative rant makes me laugh out loud and is most of the reason I watch these matches!
Colorblind viewer here, strong protonopia. Red and blue are pretty much fine for me to tell apart, so you (and starcraft 2 tournaments) are good as far as I'm concerned. Now when players pick colors like yellow and green, green and red, blue and purple, purple and pink, blue and whatever color "teal" is, now I have issues, and the minimap becomes useless to me.
But blue and red contrast highly to my eyes, so I have no difficulty telling them apart. Blue and orange would also contrast highly. Yellow and blue would be fine as well.
said it before ill say it again. if hero could stop using the select all army hot key, he'd be the serral of protoss.
that first game was perfect build order imo. rush templar to force ghosts and then switch to colossus, and they wont have vikings because they were building ghosts.
25:00 a typical minute of gameplay from the Serral of protoss
Finally hero realized that to counter light armies, he must go with storms
I wonder if every upgrade in protoss shields should negate a portion of EMP on shields. Level 1: 20%, Level 2: 40%, Level 3: 60%. It would make getting shields v T a lot of priority and balance the power of ghosts as the protoss advances in power.
Should be made to also affect shield regeneration speed too, if it doesn’t already.
@@MarsStarcruiser it currently does not, only reduces damage taken from shields. Why do you say it needs faster Regen? What specific problem does this address
@@KrimsonStorm Protoss don’t have medivac equivalent unit thats portable. Not only are they paying a higher premium for their unit strength compared to terrans, but they also have very little attrition mitigation to recoup once- their lines start collapsing.
I see both sides engage then pull back and regroup, terran quickly returning back to full strength immediately thanks to medivacs almost or the sheer cheapness of marines, while even the toss damage keeps adding up until they all break fall rather quickly in short succession like dominoes.
And unless a large part of your army is made of archons it pretty much always makes sense to get all armor upgrades first.
The SCV'a yelling out "we have orbital commands!" to the marine who went to sacrifice his life for scouting made me spit out my Pad Thai.
20:16 oh this is the map maxpax played perfectly until 1 widowmine dropped and it was over
I know its years late…but how does a flying unit…set off…a mine…
Also…widow mines must be an amazing feat of nanorobotics. To be able to fabricate out of thin air (ground) the materials for another explosive warhead is so next level tech!
The same way flying units can be repaired by SCVs. Magic.
@@enriquegarciacota3914nah, just an extra long drill
Proximity mines ig?
The mines are mini ordinance factories, they are built with all the necessary components to build near infinite amount of ammo, but it takes time to saturate the uranium based fuel it uses to launch its missile. Also the mines have a wide array of sensors that can detect units from far away. It some like a stealth missile turret rather than a mine.
So Terran engineers have the tech to design a tiny mini ordinance factory with limitless death dealing potential, but to get it you have to pay resources to a very large “factory” that only gives you one. Seems they missed some rather golden opportunities…
Tell me why Terrans can research weapons and armor faster than Protoss and by a significant margin? Terran players love to point out that Protoss has chrono. Do you understand how much longer it takes to upgrade for Protoss? Like Level 1 armor upgrade for T is 114 seconds, it is 129 for P. Level 2 weapons for T is 136, for P it is 154. So, Protoss wastes energy to maintain the same speed in upgrades, while the Terrans can save that energy for unlimited scans and MULE drops or supply depot drops. It's like you go into a department store, they marked up Nike shoes by 200% and then take off 25% and say, you are getting a great deal at 25% off. It is just ridiculous what the balance council has made Protoss into over the last several years. People are quick to forget that they reduced the Pylon radius a few years back too.. you don't think that makes a difference when you are trying to maneuver around your base, or warp in units to defend your base? In recent years they have been really chipping away at Protoss's abilities. Like delaying the attack of Dark Templars, reducing the radius of the novas, dummifying the Colossus and Carriers into attacking random ass things during attack, like going ham on a refinery.. This game is really frustrating to play as Protoss.
terran need to divert 1 worker to building the research building, a worker takes roughly 13 sec to build, so Im assuming the designers chose those times based on that
You get cheese we get solid foundations. You dont want to be a cheesy protoss trash then play Terran and Zerg .Or stop whining
Glad to see Jimmy found the TM button again. He does great work.
Sometimes i wonder if i am not rewatching the same stuff when Winter repeats his classic phrases. 😂
The jimmy numbers help with that
Winter…long time viewer but I don’t comment alot. Really enjoy your commentary and your humor. Very creative and sometimes on another level. I haven’t liked a castor more since the early days of Husky. ✌️
AA Graviton Beam: Shake target from side to side
The strongest Protosss in the world looks just so weak against a 5th ranked Terran Player.
part of it is unit control
Select all armying his warp prism full of 4 high Templar through the Terran army then trying a base trade for no reason, and then putting his Templar archives at the front of his third lol. Hero just played badly games 2 and 3, no way around it
@@GrippeeTV agree as protoss
@@GrippeeTV As Winter has previously said, when people say "oh well the Protoss made a mistake", it's ignoring what else happened or didn't happen. The opportunities to lose the game just aren't the same for T and Z. If Gumiho had made a similar mistake and sent a tank and medivac full of ghosts across the map, he wouldn't have instantly lost the game.
There was a moment in Game 3 where Gumiho had just lost all of his tanks and medivacs, and Winter says "Gumiho has only lost replaceable units". I thought, so you just described the terran race.
@@jerubaal101 well that’s Protoss dude, that’s how they’ve always been. They’re centered around high tech, expensive units. Hero may not have lost that game if he didn’t make a TON of mistakes. And then AFTER making those mistakes, instead of trying to defend he runs his units across the map which is almost never a good idea against Terran. I can’t count how many times I’ve seen Protoss lose base trades against Terran, I don’t know why they continue to do it. Especially since his position was still defendable. You can argue that Protoss is underpowered and you’d be correct, but this game had absolutely nothing to do with balance. Hero straight up just played terribly in the last two games.
All the words, the best words, only from Winter ;) hahaha
“Like and SKUB”
Winter is pro-SKUB confirmed
25:16 Hero needs a lot more consistency than this if he wants to actually dominate, mistakes like this will cost the whole game. Also the templar archives in front at the 3rd base *facepalm*
The risk/reward on widow mines is so fucked
idk about you but I think the TH-camr in the bottom right seems pretty knowledgeable about Starcraft 2. Does he have any TH-cam channel ?
Fun fact shenanigans are actually mint flavored
I'm colorblind (Red-Green, Blue-Purple). Not too bad to keep track, but agree on Blue and Orange which are actually color-theory perfect contrasts.
The line about SCV and 'contractors' lol
What the Hell, Winter?!? You cast a GuMiho series in which there wasn't a single Battlecruiser made?
One day im hoping Jimmy jumps on camera with Winter :)
41:23 TIME TO CLIMB MOUNT MULE
Classic Protoss like
Top tier Toss tech (storm) has about a minute or two of a window where it actually matters in PvT.
power overwhelming....
32:11
Cant they show matches in other team colors other than red and blue??.?.?.
why make the mine cloaked, let it be untargetable untill it fires but its 100% visable then once the armory is built then let it be like it is now
That's super op
And set the range to 500 and the impact radius to three times that of a nuke, yes?
Oh, and we could reduce the recharge rate to - I don't know, 3 seconds or something like that.
And set the cost to 10 minerals and 5 gas.
The idea terran players come up with is baffling...
No you think im buffing it? Also im no t player. I mean make it so the widow mine is visable, like as if you own it. But its not targetable like its cloaked. Cause it is till it fires. All its ment to do is insdead of the indent on the ground. You see the entire widow mine without the armory. But once you got the armory. Then its just the indent on the ground again.
Also make the targeting line 3x more red to make it easy to see the laser where its aiming. Or add a slightly longer delay from when the mine burrows and fires
@@fablesenpai8609 NO, these suggestions aren't a good idea at all !
Making the WM UNTARGETABLE untill it fired is extremy OP as it prevent clearing any minefield that hasn't fired yet and mines hit both ground and air, so unless you sacrifice units to disarm them they essentially completely deny an area to the ennemy, it's a horrible idea !
They're already cheap, do massive single target dmg and more than decent AOE dmg on top of that! If anything they deserve a BIG NERF like :
Only 2 of them allowed inside a medivac instead of 4 that would be a good start, and visible after they fire even with the armory built would make them less of a pain to deal with !
Also how about making their missles cost minerals to be fired ( first one free) but any recharge cost like 25 minerals ( similar to a reaver scarab)!
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What do we do if we want something else? Comment what we want? I want to see some AI bot battles!
Amazing Idea! 😎
Hearing Winter talking about for a second about rocket league shock me. It's my main game. I play and watch sc2 for fun lol
thank you winter for daily uploads
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Oh her0, you tried.
What a throw
Terran is way to strong in every single aspect
Terran is too strong but herO just played like complete ass in game 2 and 3 this time lol
Not every single aspect, really just medivacs and stim
Marines are broken. Tier 1, crystal only, fast produced, 1 supply, anti- air and ground unit, while high cost units of other races are nerfed into over specialized bonuses.
I like terran but categorically, I do feel that marines should have been reduced damage with bonus vs light, instead of collossi.
@@MarsStarcruiser 100% agree. They're far too powerful. And marines haven't had a single balance change since the game launched. I mean the original Starcraft 2. It's actually hilarious how many changes they've made to other units to "balance" teh game, when in reality, the marine is the true root of the problem and needs to be addressed.
It's really just the synergy between stim and medivac healing that's overtuned. if that was given an adjustment it would be fine. If you actually look at statistics rather than players personal feelings, the balance of the game isn't bad already
All this talk about spylons...
I want to see a DT ability, or a darhshrine research upgrade that lets you turn pylons into dark pylons whose only difference is a passive cloak field, and they can warp in DTs quickly without a gateway nearby.
That sounds super busted
Protoss needs the help though, we can at least run a trial period for it.
@@cousinpatsey2471 I imagine morphing a regular pylon to a dt pylon might be an expensive and/or lengthy research upgrade.
I mean if toss just has a second or third robo specifically for pumping observers it kind of becomes a moot point. It would just be cool to have a reason to use the dark pylon skin and make spreading pylons an investment that lasts longer than one drop finding them.
Also encourages the other races to use things like ravens and overseers more creatively when they send out drops and scouts.
Sure. I want mutualisks that shoot banelings to air. Unfortunately there’s a Terran unit that already does that
@@enriquegarciacota3914 lol dark pylons were at least a thing already that just got cut later.
@@Edandarthat road leads to infested Terrans. I’m not sure you want to take it 😊
winter always looks high asf lol
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Vikings beat stalkers 1v1. And so do Marauders, and cyclones, and tanks, and banshees and hellbats.😢
Seen a lot of herO and MaxPax games and I gotta say looking at herO's control feels sloppy in comparison, especially the multitasking.
Jimmy the hero
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tell Jimmy he nees a haircut
Dude, the end of the game #2 was feeling like loosing the queen in chess for no reasons... Like, you know you lost the game.
Hero seems to love randomly placing templar archives....he lost one of the games to oliveira at katowice in part because the archive was so exposed....
Blue and orange was my favorite combo as a kid because of Digimon 😂
Don't forget to like and prescribe
disruptor aint the answer, the game 1 and 2 was so good, except that in game 2 herO wasnt good enough on the controls
My favorite protoss vs my favorite terran, this is winter early christmas gift
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For the algorithm
5 hours 6k views nice view bots just like in your twitch days
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I watch your videos and I love them , but there’s one thing I don’t understand and it’s a shame to be honest that they are not 4K quality
This was certainly a bronze league hero level of series. Lot of strange decisions and sloppyness. Off day I guess
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Need new balance patch 2 race rts is boring..
Hero trolls too much. Doesn’t take the game serious. Purposely playing weak builds and losing to a guy who shouldn’t even be in GSL. Sad
GuMiHo isn't that bad. herO does a lot of stupid stuff and throws games.
Emp should not damage shields it’s an unfair advantage for Terren.
Bio balls need to be nerfed
Stim is the real problem
@@chloesmith4065and medivacs making the entire army unkillable and flying
Marine needs nerf to be less damage except against light.
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