Official Foundation: Jah Shaka Sound System vs Fatman Sound System vs Sir Coxsone Sound System LIVE
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- Official Foundation: Jah Shaka Sound System vs Fatman Sound System vs Sir Coxsone Sound System LIVE at the Moonshot Community Centre, New Cross, London on 8 October 1993.
Jah Shaka
An enigmatic and highly individual performer on the UK sound system scene, Jah Shaka (his real name remains a mystery) came with his parents to the UK from Jamaica at the age of eight, settling in southeast London. Succumbing to his passion for music, he began his career a few years later in the late 60s, playing in a band and travelling around in an obscure local sound system named Freddie Cloudburst. Inspired spiritually by his interest in Rastafari, and consciously by the American Civil Rights movement (particularly such exponents of black awareness as Angela Davis and George Jackson), he began to assemble the equipment for his own sound, named after the great eighteenth-century Zulu, King Shaka, the ‘Black Napoleon’. From quite modest beginnings in the early 70s, by the end of the decade, Shaka’s sound had become one of the top three in the country, alongside such luminaries as Lloyd Coxsone and the Mighty Fatman, specializing in heavyweight, dubwise steppers material, and exclusive cuts on dubplates. However, whereas these and other sounds usually supported a team of selectors and DJs, Shaka performed all these functions alone, assisting in setting up the sound coming from a team of devoted youths for whom Shaka’s music was almost a way of life.
Sir Coxsone
In its heyday of the 70s and 80s, Sir Coxsone Sound System retained an insurmountable edge, thanks to the unbeatable tag-team of proprietor Lloydie Coxsone and his star selector, Festus, and an ever-changing crew of supporting members that kept the sound perpetually fresh and innovative. With an endless supply of superior dubplates sourced from top producers in Jamaica, augmented by some of their own productions cut with high-ranking music makers in the UK, Sir Coxsone was undeniably top of Britain’s sound system circuit. Their superior selection and the manner in which they presented it to the public gave Coxsone the kind of credibility that most other sounds were never able to achieve, leading to longstanding residencies at nightclubs in the fashionable West End.
Fatman
Based in the United Kingdom, Fatman Sound has been playing in reggae dancehalls since the late 60s, a true foundation in the reggae music industry Fatman Sound continues to entertain the reggae masses worldwide. Over the generations, Fatman Sound has become and remained a musical legend playing week in, and week out in some of the world's top reggae venues. The '70s and '80s saw a number of events featuring Fatman Sound System and a host of top reggae artists performing live on the set, including Jack Ruby, Johnny Osborne, Gregory Isaac, Errol Dunkley, Barrington Levy, U Brown & many more. In the sixties Fatman was the selector for a sound called 'Fanso The Tropical Downbeat', playing locally at parties and blues.
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You will notice that it was around this time, from mid nineties 90s onwards when non black people started getting into sound systems in big numbers. You will see a lot of white, Asian/Chinese going to these sessions.... before then you would hardly see anyone who wasn't black. In fact, apart from Rodigan it was extremely rare to see white people at these dances. There was a time when these dances were exclusively black. Remember those Bali Hai Sunday nights? Or maybe those town hall dances? When black people were more united and we had our own world. Who had heard of gun crime or daily black on black killings? What a different world it was back then... Now look at sound systems sessions today! Whether you agree or disagree or lament the passing of the good old days, the sound systems movement has totally changed.
Superblack Same ting ah gwaan with white music...Never did see black people into rock music or opera!
Times change and we gwaan uptown!
@@richmck007 Not really. I don't share your sense of celebration if I'm honest. So because a lot of white people listen to sound system now it's gone "uptown"? As for me I preferred it when we were more together as black people. Going "uptown" is useless and negative if you lose what it was about. Rock came from Rock and Roll which was originally black music anyway. You see a few black opera singers and maybe a few people in the audience. As black people we create our own music whether it's hop hop, reggae, soul or Afrobeat. After a while others start to "listen" to our music then the next thing you know we lose control of its direction. Remember when hip hop was positive? Look at it now. If it's not gangsta rap or grime rapping about us killing each other it doesn't get pushed by the powers that be. Ever wondered why?
Look at the sound system business today. It's nothing like it used to be. All those great artists, many of whom are no longer with us earned a pittance from their music. Who's making the money out of it now?
Superblack
Perhaps I did not explain myself enough..!
I’m 59. From London. Have traveled all over the UK, in the 70, 80s and until mid 90s.
In the beginning you never saw the diversity that exists today. I agree with your words for sure. Man, when I tell you I would walk into an English pub wearing dungarees, Redwing boots and a black bikers jacket with a white tee shirt with some nonsense scrolled across my chest, the looks I got were enough to say, you’re definitely in the wrong pub!!! Went to Europe, nobody batted an eyelid at first, later things changed. Acceptance of who we are came about. I first saw that in Holland then Paris in the early 80s.
In London, we had own world. We never mixed until the early to mid 80s...
When I was coming up, Carnival as a reference was predominately Black. ( but that has played a huge part in bringing the masses of all nations together for two glorious days of diversity...) But still certain parts of all cultures were predominately to its own kind.
To see a black man at a rock concert, the theatre let alone try to dance ballet in a white world was not the norm when I was coming up.
In most walks of life it was rare to find black people in jobs where you faced customers...Supermarkets, Banks, Hotels, the service industry. Even university and the better jobs were for the people here. But this has changed immensely.
The inner city was deep with sub culture but the youth changed that thru’ the music, fashion and trends. And as such, brought white and other ethnic minorities into our fold through it.
I am coming from 4 decades of change, and for the good of it.
Believe me when I say the Americans would love to have had our diversity as much as us and that there are people still here who continue to look down on social change, we can say this little island did that...Sadly, not everyone will accept it.
Those people come from a certain sector of society who are knuckleheads and don’t want change. I have zero tolerance for them.
I hear all you are saying. I am just telling you like it was when I was coming up in West London, moved to East London then South London and finally after a stint in North London had to get away!
But I always love to come back!
London is still a melting pot of change and critical acclaim despite its issues. But so is The UK, Wales, Scotland and Ireland.
All big cities have their pros and Cons.
Yes, times have changed just like people’s mentality towards music, song lyrics. social disorder amongst black people as well.
If you look at it, the Chinese and the Indian man always stuck together whilst the black man for the best part, did not!
My Parents are from yard. Pardner money and the family were what we lived for. I grew up in London so I watched with educated eyes how we as a nation changed.
The current climate is rift with crime and lacking direction.
For me, it is music and West Indian culture which stitched it all together when I was coming up.It was hard but we did it.
I hear the argument that “Run & Garn” ( D. Radian ) hyped up Jamaican music because of his passion for it but he did not influence my judgement with our culture: West Indian music and all its influences in other sub genres like Hip Hop Rap Reggae-ton, Trap, Garage...The list is endless.
And that is where the culture crosses borders and brings people of all nationalities together.
My god, if I told you that the biggest yearly reggae festival was Italian, held in Spain and attended by more European people than black people yet the performers are predominately fro the Carib and living in The US or Canada or The UK you would have to go see it for yourself and ask how did this thing get so huge?!?!
Globalization my friend and good vibes from predominately the one island that says the 6th August every year we will celebrate our liberty and independence with dancing and drinking in the streets!!!
Rodigan has privilege of place and used it well to get where he is today...Radio has an enormous influence in promoting mainstream music. And festivals like Rototom are the perfect platform to promote the music. Carnival in London has sold out that aspect, sadly.
At the end of the day, most artists and their music go the mainstream way from the subculture we grew to know.
Too much slackness and they fail but that is changing cos society wants it raw and fresh !
Who does not want to reap what they sow? At all costs it seems.
Glad I’m out of it all. Let the youth them sample what you and I and many like us struggled to enjoy back in the day when the police using local authority bylaws tried to shut it all down.
Music is culture. No amount of gun crime is gonna’s shut it down. It’s bigger than all of us!
Goin hold a fresh, sip a brew and toast another independence . 58 years strong!
🎼👍🏼👍🏽🎼
Superblack Actually, whay has happened believe it or not is that there are less soundsystems active in The UK.
Europe has created many soundsystems playing all genres of reggae but mostly dancehall... Even Japan has held the dancehall queen title and soundsystem clash trophy to date. In fact, reggae has seen a change in who listens to it and goes to soundclash in the past 20 years.
Like most underground subcultures, economics and popularity eventually come into play and people come and new people jump on the bandwagon and do their thing a little way different ( to qoute Errol Dunkley...)
I was in JA at Xmas and peoplein country tell me how hard it is to string up soundsystem without soundman plus the police clamdown in certain areas.
It was easier before.
It was also a West Indian ting before and like everything, change brings about a new direction whether we like it or not.
You cannot keep culture locked to one people it seems... Just look how NHC changed over the years to attract investment, look how the Cuban dancers take over ballet when in the past black dancers in ballet was frowned upon...
Politic is another area of change.
When I was coming up there was only one or two black politicians ( Paul Boateng...Bernie Grant, Diane Abbot...)
Perhaps if we as a race had got behind them a rallied them to do more for us, we would see parallels with that of the Indians and the Jews today as well as in the past...
My parents did well, then went back to JA and invested.
We have distant family in the soundsystem business and music as well. If what has happened in the UK had happened in JA, things would surely be different today.
What we need is more unity because the love is there! Jah know
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@@richmck007 Thanks taking the time to and trouble to write such a considered response. Of course I totally agree with you. We cannot keep "culture locked to one people" but we should be making sure that the people or community who possess a culture, music or tradition are the ones who shape its future. Sadly you cannot say the same for reggae. I only hope that we learn the lessons of history but as I'm sure you know we black people just never seem to learn!
It's great to see these foundation dances when it was about good music with no fuss nor fight with the people of all colours coming out in droves to enjoy the night. Unfortunately the sound system culture is dying with no where to have these types of dances also no where to play or people to go wow how times have changed. Me as a person who played sound system back in the 60's I find it very disheartening to see what has happened to this great culture
they allowedn the poison culture to overtake
Boy did this video bring some memories when these Big Peoples Sounds used to play in my home town places like Newlands club under the flyover when they could run a proper dance. May seem contrary when outside Babylon ruled stronger than ever yet within the safety of the dance peace & love always prevailed like we were in a free state no longer beholden to the forces of evil waging their bitter seige against us, outside our all too seldom sanctuary - many thanks for posting this film
It's weird seeing yourself on a video from over 30 years ago. Me and my spar went to this event, and I remember it like yesterday. We look so young, standing right by Coxsone sound listing big people music. This was just about the time the dancehall style, and juggling had taken over. We were running SuperClick sound dem days, and even Tego is in this video behind Festus. Gwaaanmyooot! Great days. Would be nice to know who shot the video, as as a videographer myself these days, a little credit for great work in documenting our history, goes a long long way… Props! ✊🏿
5.00 - Beris Bradley - Cool It . 11.30 - 'Blackboard jungle' Lloyd's all stars, cut to 'So ashamed' by Tony Brevett. 15.15 - Niney - I Soon Know . 23.00 - Johnny Clarke - Young Rebel. 27.50 - This Tribulation - Honey Vaughn. Respect to the uploader thanks for sharing.
I was there!! It had been years since all three heavweights have played together and they havent since. History in the making!!
Most beautiful footage ever. Amazing
Sound systems of the 70's &'80's era was totally,'authentic and original
Many of great nights musically had
me besotted
Steve Junor Yess I
One turntable, belt driven, one selecta, walldrobe speakers with 16” bass cones and horn tweeters!
You hold a corner, and yu no leave it til dance done.
Rewind!
Irie days. Bless up
@rich Mck 16" I thought it be 18" 🤔
At 14,I found tapes of proper sounds, ❤
Yes Don, i can't believe this session took place 20 years ago! in actual fact i was there, it was a wicked session and nice vibes!
No a long time white people jewis people have been coming to sound system dances
29:42 Rasta music feeling ❤
The first big clash I went to as a littal youth was sir coxsone v Jah Shaka mfm northampton Easter bank holiday 1980. All dayer nighter . I arrived at 2 in the afternoon and the dance was ram solid the mans smoked so much trees that when I got inside the dance there was a weed cloud in the air a sight to behold something I will never forget. Gregory Issacs the boarder was played brand new by coxsone this night, Barrington Levi was introduced to the world by Coxsone this night when he played
Yo people dem Soundsystem Box Bwoy deserve Nuff medal ☝️🇯🇲🔥🚶🏿♂️
RIP Jah S..... carnival will never be the same
I remember being here, Nuff Sounds I took in this venue, Big up my south london sounds Saxon, Frontline, Sledgehammer, Stereo Classic, Spartacus, Black Unity, Coxsone, King Tubbys, Prophecy, Remus, Viking, Taurus, Small Axe & the mighty Jah Shaka
S.I.E.P. Jah Shaka
How on earth did I use to build spliff in a dem ram dance 🔥🔥🔥
I rember that dance in new cross when i was 20 year old going back in late 89/ 90 that was good vibes big you guy bring back the old vdeos
Raspect honor and love always
I JaH SouLJaH😂😂✊️💪🫡❤️🔥💛💚
Used to attend the big dances from the late 70s to the early 90s. My fave sounds were Shaka, Coxsone and Fat Man and the blues dances much preferred the underground scene. Jah Guide
mark iration ain't got nothing to do with dis dance..remember iration steppas only came out in de 90's,so they are not foundation
3 Big Sound... .THE MIGHTY MIGHTY JAH SHAKA.. King of Sounds....
I want to like 10 more times!!!!!
all me can say is WOW!!!
thanks for this post
JAh Shaka sound system.....legend....
FRED LOCKS - BLACK STARLINER !!!!! CLASSICAL ROOOOOTS !!!!
BLESSED
real sound buisness notice no one is on a mobile! lol
This foolishness they playing now has no upliftment for the black man that’s why mighty crown leaving the business
Mighty Sounds Clash. Not sure how I missed this dance back in the day. Jah bless
Wow black people at a Shaka dance.... That's rare nowadays
I was at jah tubbys jah shaka 87 not many white man me and two others I saw.
its not even english white people at dance nowadays. they are all like frenchies and other europeans, new age hippies i call all of them.
Why not just embrace the fact that more and more people are getting into Dub instead of calling them names?
Because it's a fucking disgrace. This is black protest music of the 70s, Rastafarianism is Jamaican black power, a racist black repatriation movement based on Jamaican black liberation folk heros, etc. All these reggae figureheads needed to eat, and they didn't have other jobs or professions, I get that. But they sold out the music. The music also turned into shit formulaic steppers dub.
Yajna Amakusa you would have never heard the beauty of good dub unless it was in your head going with rastafari and that’s it.
OH! My gosh I was at this event. Memories... :)
Why are they there..?
Do they have the required Lived Experience ... Struggle and Oppression, for example, to even appreciate the Music..?
They look lost ... Poor t'ing dem ...
norman grant inna the area (06:33), nuff nuff raspect...
i still see some of these old skool rasta at dances today big up yourselves live long jah music for life 1 love +
Hey I had the original copy of this. And I was there. Don't know who edited this
Moonshot.. MASSIVE Royal Salute to Mumama Phoenix.. Community Yoth works.. Platforming Sir"Coxone. JAH" Shaka.!!!. & COUNTLESS.. OTHER BLACK Mentors . INN THE SRUGGKES SEVENTYS... UPLIFTED YOUTHS. GIVING THEM VOCATION AN VISION.. BLESSED. ONE.!. 💕
Sir coxsone fatman shaka 123 thats the sound system order thats the top 3 cox fatman shaka big clash town
9,50 please the DJ was amazing ? Incredible vidéo thanks 🙏🏼
This brings back memories , I was at this session!
New Cross 🔥 - never to be forgotten🇻🇨🌈🍷🎷
Musically Coxsone won
Tune at 41:48
Wicked Wicked session L Coxon, shaka,fat man, sound system culture Beautiful finish with Lloyd Parkes officially dub plates by Coxon respect 👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾💣💣💣💣💥💥💥💥👌🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🇬🇧🇯🇲🇬🇧🇯🇲
can someone tell me what the name of it comes dubplate in 7:38
please ... no one knew until now inform you that this is sound
Coxsone A1 Sound jnr reid
sir coxsone ah de heavyweight champion sound,we got skanked at world sound clash from the gripper. ps, anyone got the video.majesty
The Nastiest Basslines in the world with the most respect vibes ever known to Man & Womankind
JAH RASTAFARI
Run tings Jah Shaka!
More Roots and Culture Forivah.
ORIGINAL SOUND SYSTEM FOUNDATION!
We love this. It would be great to hear it with better audio. The recording is is way too hot on the highs and very thin in the bass and mid ranges.
Cause shaka would play at any venue problem was the time😮
Whats the name of the first song :50?
+IrieVibescollection Sam Bramwell - 'It Ago Dread Ina Babylon'
Watching from Antigua 🇦🇬 #268
What's the tune at 36:30 ?
Prince Allah Bosrah Stars label....regular tune.
Great memories of sound systems from the past. Three of the most iconic sounds of the day. As mentioned the mixture of different ethnic groups attending today is fantastic to see.
Oh i almost forgot i have the return clash as well
Post it
what's that tune at 08:01? great tune!
Junior reid unreleased dubplate special " coxsone sound the a1 sound"
>>>>>>>> YES I
I was there !!!! Rastafari
Lucky u 😁
impressive piece of history
!
Anyone know the tune at 49 min when Coxsone on the mic?
ha ha and just saw myself...brings back memories
Anyone know tune at 7.50? Serious tune Ya na
NOBODY KNOW THE TUNE AT @00:50 ? THE ONE INTRODUCED BY MARK IRATION
@247RIDDIM
Thats festus. Iration Stepper wasnt around then. It was 90s when they became a big sound and steered the music away from jamaican roots
Niceness!!! One Love!
Shaka rule ! others too much cheap sirens, talking and self satisfaction lirics, Fatman, but one tune and thing is said a real spiritual level... Jah creation by Creole 😄👆🔥 I remember when i heard this session for the first time I loved this tune and try to find it... but from the country side it was a long way ! I have been to England from France by hichiking to go to a Shaka session. Changed my life for ever !!! hope he is in a ZION for his spirit and all he has accomplish. 🙏
tune at 5:20?
this is so good
Beris Bradley 'cool it'. Big tune!
oh to have that sound system in my house! Damn. Blessed
Barrington Levy tune - Jah Life label on a 10" vinyl
The Song playing at 07:50...what's its name again?...I can't remember and it's driving me crazy
Unreleased.dubplate special. Jnr reid coxsone a1 sound
GIVE THANKS FOR DIS UPLOAD!
Amazing video!
Whats the song of 7:45 ?
Jahvid Campbell...I need to get this dubplate as well
Junior reid ?
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SHAKA IN SESSION !!!!!
what is the name of the tune at 31:10min??? many thanks
wayne chin and creole jah creation
Of cause shaka is pkaying in his iwn back yard what a silly thing to say the oroof is in the pudding the fact that the other sounds are pkaying on shakad turf just goes to show the respect and the love these 3 sounds had for one another shaka will get the biggest cheer if he is playing on his stomping ground respect to the late great jah shaka sadly will be missed but not forgotten i think people are still in a daze about him dying one of the prophets of sound systems culture paved the way for alot of young men to build thete sound system in his image god bless and rip to you jah shaka best dub master we have evet listened to godeh shaka coxsone fatman the list goes on and on on
AWESOME!!!!
06.33 Is that Norman Grant from the twinkle brothers? bless!
Yes that's Norman grant
Starting at 41:12 Nico Dread from original Satisfaction sound and Pinky, both Askew/Wendel-Bush crew along with Rady Culture King Topian sound system.
Lloyd Coxsone, Owner of Sir Coxsone System, The multi colour DJ is Festus, The dread in the white shirt is Blacker Dread
@fyadub not old, as Coxsone, but already much written history, many people speaking!
Please can someone tell me the name or singer of the track 15 mins in been looking for that for years
Yes King thats norman grant. many many soundmen & singers deh . thought errol arawak was around 2. blessed
Tune from beginning: Sam Bramwell - It A Go Dread Ina Babylon.
BIG BIG SOUND !!
+meghari idriss keep it locked for more good vibes nuff respect
massive tune!
To how mi nuh see nuh woman?
Smody call professor nuts. Dem need nuff gyal deya
tunes n tunes n tunes!!!!!!!!sessionz nah run like dat anymore.....what a shame!!!
tune at 7:45 ?
don't know, but the riddim reminds me of Horace Martin - Repatriation
Seem like an unfair fight going up against Coxsone
yo you have any videos not mp3
i guess DUBPLATE. dubwise of the riddim of jah jah new garden (lopez walker)
No spliffs no beer ?Preferred going to a blues early 80s
These days are gone they will not be coming back
Yo Don Sinclair keep up the good work mi bredda....Hey 31.10 seconds into this video, can you tell me the track Shaka a play? what a rahtid track!!
charlie ALFRED CHAVEZ Big up in every aspect keep it locked
Creole - Jah Creation
Yep found it a few days ago. Respect!!!
Ok men... Bless!!
moonshot looool check out my uncle at the door terry from pieces sound
all kind of spect to the 3 sound dem as dem still bad now
dunno but tell me if u find out please bless
Prince Alla - Bosrah
big thanks for this video
+daggah76220 respect every time king keep it locked for more classics
No sorry just mp3, the quality isn't too bad either
Anyone know the tune at 26:36 ?
Can't get it out of my head. But yet i don't know the name of the tune or who the artist is.Thanks
Honey Vaughn This Tribulation 7"