Klipsch Floorstanders Comparison. RP-5000F/6000F/8000F II.
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@3:00 -- Can't give you too much bass, they have to sell all those subwoofers. 🙂
I think you're doing a great job of interpreting the data without "trashing" on speakers that have non-perfect measurements. Of course we need to be critical, but being respectful and realistic is just as important.
⬆️ This!
Another well done video, Erin! Thanks for the shoutout 👍
Thanks for loaning me them. I can pretty comfortably say that thanks to you I may be the only reviewer who has evaluated all of the new RP-II speakers in full. And with that said, I never want to test another Klipsch speaker again. At least, not for a few months. Lol
@@ErinsAudioCorner I started my HiFi journey with Klipsch RF-15 towers about a decade ago. Enjoyed them as a newbie but didn’t realize what I was missing until moving onto Epos Epic 2s a couple years later and LS50 metas last year.
I've been looking forward to the results of this comparison since their release. Thanks for all the hard work, Erin! 🍻
Thanks Erin and Audio Advice, excellent reviews!
It is really great that Audio Advice is sending you all of these.
I'd love to see some Paradigms from them tested; especially the 500C center channel.
Nice review, Erin! Thorough, concise, and informative. This is how it should be done.
As a proud Klipsch owner, this is a fair and balanced review. I appreciate the subjective and objective discussion here.
Cool. Thanks for the feedback. 👍
@@MasterofPlay7 trust nothing but your ears. Totally subjective opinion.
I have a pair of klipsch rp 6000f and measured them to 28 hz in my living room, so your review really surprises me
yeah, something's off about this video.
Room gain is my first thought. I believe klipsch voiced it that way for that reason. Erin's machine is meant to take stuff like room gain out of the measurement.
@@user-gs4oi1fm4l Yes, in room measurements are going to be very different. Every room is different. I have a pair of Monolith T6's and see an f3 down to 20hz in room due to room gain, absolutely no sub needed for music.
Thank you so much Erin. 😉👍🏽
You are so welcome!
It's great you did a review of these because there is a lot of exposure to them at the retail stores.
Thank you for this very informative review.
Glad it was helpful!
Erin,
i think your spot on. I so wanted these speakers a couple years back which would have been the original series. went back to listen multiple times but i just couldn't get over there was no mid bass punch and the vocals sounded thin. i believe if they made this a 2.5 way design it would be a much better performer.
As a musician, a career musician...I dont understand at the prices people pay for this stuff, why they dont just buy pro audio gear?
The pa system I used for thousands of shows was a Bose L1M2 with tonemach mixer and B2 sub. It was around $3,500. new.
You could use one of those for crowds of up to 500 people, and Bose pro audio gear is wayyyy different than their consumer products, in a good way.
You could have a kick ass stero and have the ability to quickly take it down and use it for outdoor parties etc.
You music would not sound better on home stereo gear.
Guys i wonder if some of you have listened to these.. goto the shop and have a listen.. flippen excellent
Fantastic review Erin !!! Very much needed video. Great job !!!! 😊😊
Great review as usual, would love if you could get your hands on klipsch thx speakers. I can't find many reviews on them on TH-cam. I'm sure you get crazy requests every day.
Thank you for doing the dynamic compression test I haven’t seen you since sound stage network did them and they stopped. The vivid giya g2 were the best then. Erin, which is the best youve measured?
Great reviews Erin, I’d really like to see how Danny Richies fixes and upgrades on these models measure up with your test methods and in comparison to his CLIO gated time window measurements and how closely your assessments align. Also like to hear your assessment of Danny’s rig if you can get over there to experience it
Great review.. Have you.. Will you review the paradigm premier's or founder series of speakers.. Thanks
Hi Erin! New to your channel. I know this is a late comment, but thought I'd relate this anyway. I used to work for a home theater company about 20 years ago. We sold Klipsch and many people found them "beamy" from on-axis listening. Our recommendation for that was to aggressively toe-in the speakers so the tweeters converged about 3-4 feet in front of the main listener's nose. We received posotive results from this. Anyone with Klipsch speakers in this situation of ear fatigue maybe ought to try that, as on-axis to me and many others isn't optimal and going with no toe-in loses detail. Just my experience.
sounds outrageous.
Excellent analysis and comparisons....makes lot of sense...thank you for proving detailed explanation.. 👍👍
Even if I don’t care about Klipch I still watch your review and do a like want to you to top in channel and hopefully put something that excites me
Thanks!
I love your channel however I actually completely disagree with this review. I'm using a new Yamaha a4a through a brand new set of klipsch rp8000f series 2. Chord handmade speaker wire out of the UK. The sound is utterly fantastic. Not bi-wired but I'm sure if I did they would be even better. Extremely, extremely dynamic. I have owned many speakers in the past be it Mission/b&w/infinity you name it all costing more than 3 k Australian. I play a PRS guitar and appreciate good sound. I own powered studio monitor speakers which I run through a top end Focusrite unit for guitar / music use. I have many different guitars / amps also. I've mainly been listening to music through the Klipsch which sounds just utterly fantastic no matter the genre. Metal TICK pop TICK classical just phenomenal... Listening to a Metallica concert Kirk's guitar sounded so powerful and airy. Like a live concert. I've never heard sound like this at home. Ever. Simply blown away. They had more to give I could tell. I am tempted to purchase a Crown poweramp to give them more clean power but in reality there is no need. I have had MANY top end speakers. These beat the lot. Maybe not as silky treble as some have had but what they do is sharp quick clear beyond words and they just sound alive. Sharp clear and PLENTY I do mean PLENTY of bass. This was with no bass enhancer on. There is NO need for a subwoofer with these. I listened to Lorde "royals" and the house literally shook on minus 15 db to the point I was worried about the roof. I'm not sure how you had these set but the bass is HUGE. Played the avengers last night on 4k ultra through the ps5 and the dynamics were easily higher than ANY movie theater I've ever been in. Absolutely blown away. I had the money to purchase higher end speakers but I am thoroughly impressed with these. They got the horn bang on perfect. Music sounds nothing short of fantastic through tidal or anything really. Incredible detail and extremely quick sounding high frequencies. An absolute joy to listen to. I haven't bought the center speaker yet but there isn't really a need for it to be honest... The clarity is just to die for. Toed in a little just a touch not too much maybe 10 degrees the stereo imaging is just ON POINT! They don't need to be turned up to get the full frequency response either. Good at any volume level. I usually listen to the amp on minus 20 db and it is more than loud enough. My mission two way made in the UK speakers which cost a LOT needed to be on 0db to even compare. Klipsch have knocked this out of the park. I am a VERY discerning listener, hard to please and A VERY happy customer. No complaints. Love them.
Perfectly reasonable. You like what you like. Hopefully with this data you can understand why I don't but you can also use that information to determine what other things I review that you might also like. 👍
Hi I'd like to know your opinion about pairing Klipsch especially with dynamic amplifier like Yamaha I want to buy a6a or maybe a8a but most what I hear in music shops is that this is wrong choice.First Impression will he mind blowing but later after few minutes you feel uncomfortable listening them.
Pairing dynamic speaker with yamaha which plays highs strong is not recommended.....Usually sellers recomend amplifier like Marantz....I really confused what to choose.I really like yamaha I know they pricey but they make premium products...
Wow awesome I question just going by measurements all of these people who bought these like yourself can't be wrong, Klipsch has been around a long time. I would like to know how the center sounds like the RP500c ii w the new 8000's?
@@patrykgorecki581 mate whatever I play through them sounds just brilliant. Not overly sharp just right. Movies, tidal, pop rock metal you name it. Many people who love these are not wrong. I use to love marantz never had a Yamaha but it pairs brilliant. Depends on taste. I like that the are punchy and when turned up are VERY grand sounding.
hello, I want to buy the 6000f II, and I recently heard the 8000f II, but I found the media very off, both in rock and pop, zd that the klipsch are characterized by their equalization in "V", but I did not know that it was so extreme to the point of almost no clear midrange at all. Do your s towers sound the same or have clean mid-range?, thanks.
I have the 4 5” driver Klipsch center channel speaker with a pair of rp600 L/R (due to current room size limitations). Would I be better off using floorstanding L&R towers with 5” drivers, matching the center channel drivers, and moving the rp600s as surround speakers? Is mixing front LCR driver diameters ok, or should I try to use a consistent driver diameter, especially in my front stage. I have a separate powered sub for bass. Thanks!!
Great information here, thank you sir 🙏
@5:40 -- So you are say this speakers need to be toe out by 30 - 20 degrees? I currently have mine 6000F 2 pointed striaght ahead after trying them toe in.
Great review, Erin.
Do any of these speakers compare to the Heresy IV’s or sound overall better to you?
If I'm being honest, I'm not really a fan of any of these or the Heresy. Just not my kind of sound.
@@ErinsAudioCorner What would you recommend to look at in the $1200-$1500 pair price range? I have a pair or PR-260F Klipsch I am looking to upgrade.
Great unbiased straight forward review. 👍🏻👍🏻
great review as always! would be nice some comparison to similar priced speakers to put things in perspective...
for example.. the linton heritage you recently reviewed.... did you like those more? a more engaging sound?
Absolutely incredible and in-depth review of the sound of these!! How do these compare to the originals?! I'm in the market for new towers and I'm unsure if I should grab these or get a better deal on the originals. Thanks!!
Here's a review of the original RP-8000f by James Larson: www.audioholics.com/tower-speaker-reviews/klipsch-rp-8000f
Measurements are on the second page.
I had the original rp6000s and I felt that the horn tweeters were very fatiguing and in your face and there is a definite V shape to the sound.. I tried them with both a Denon and an Emotiva amp and wasn't happy, I ended up replacing them with a set of Elac bookshelfs with a sub that sound WORLDS better in every category... Just my opinion
I’m quite curious to hear more on this as well, especially given the not-insignificant price jump Klipsch triggered for these new models.
I wonder if he thought some of the same interesting things that Randy/cheap audio guy thought about the updated Standmount version vs the originals .
I bougth the 8000f II and i dont like them. To clean. I had the version one, but the sound was to much bass for the room wehere i was living with my GF. So i changed into the 6000. Now, i live alone again, and the room is bigger. i bought the version 2, because they sound so much impressing on the sheet, and i have the feeling the first version of the 8000 where more balanced. I think they should have taken the smaller horn. The bigger horn makes the Box to clean and the highs to high so i have to turn down the treble. The first one had better overall bass in my opinon. Many sounds dont have a good volume. Especially Guitars sound to thin on the version 2 in comparison. At least in my room. Or is it just my room? Do you had the same feeling that the SOund is better on the first Version? Or is it just me? Great Video by the way. Even if i understand only the half. But i am from Germany. My English is good but not that good :D Greetz from Germany \m/
Interesting that the RP-6000F II has a similar dip at 100hz has my R-605FA has when setup in my living area. I always wonder if spending more on RP would result in better sound with more bass but maybe it wont. New Zealand hasn't really got many places to hear these.
by trying to let them "out in the room" do you mean really a bit more straight than what we normal do or do you really mean to turn them outwards??
I want to hear how they sound with different types of music more. Lot of techie numbers but please include the types of music, some exapmles of the songs, and why this music was good or bad on them.
Thanx for reviewing these Erin ! I was really looking fwd to watchin a proper review of this fantastic line of speakers. Would love to know your opinion on the old F Synergy line, if you ever had the opportunity to listen any.
Man hate to say it but it seems like all these centers and towers are uninspiring.
So what is better
I've listen to many speakers and I don't like completely flat lifeless speakers I personally perfer klipsch focal and b&w they are forward and in your face test and see whay you like
Have you heard them?
This sounds very much like the sound character of this entire range of speakers.
I reckon there is probably the factor of higher sensitivity that is behind the uneven response and underwhelming bass. I also reckon that they kind of aim for all music tastes (bar bass-heavy dance music). Are they 2.5 way speakers? That might be another reason for this too.
I think the Klipsch speakers of this range have some impressive strengths and some pronounced weaknesses - the lacking midbass probably being their greatest weakness. If one is willing to live with them, they're probably a bargain at the price. If these strengths and weaknesses were balanced, then they would probably cost at least twice their market price.
On the other hand, it is great that Klipsch have found a winning design formula and have stuck with it for over a decade!
Yes, you are very correct... Like most speakers today the speakers also require a subwoofer... it's part of the home entertainment system or theater system... it's not like it used to be with just two sets of speakers lol
But with that said I have always loved Klipsch and I swear by their heritage line of speakers... They are fantastic... !!!
As of right now, I have the Klipsch RP 160M's and they sound great in my little small 12x14 foot room with a 12" inch distance from the corners of the room... lots of bass, mids and highs... for such a small speaker... :-) I love these ❤ And they can also get very clean and load !!
I have the 5000fii as my left and right and surrounds center I’m running a 504cii gonna get 2 pairs of the atmos and have a 5.2.4 system
Like the Audioholics tests. i feel the RP8000f mark II's horn is a bit hot (on purpose).
The RP-8000F mark l's had better integration imho. Good placement helps of course.
The smallest ones look quite alright if one where to use a shelf filter 300 hz for - 2db.
had an listening session with a dealer .... rp5000mkii VS forte iv, focal 826, and a klh that looked like the forte.... all powered by McIntosh ... stand out was Rp5000mkii... incredible dynamics and imaging... could not tell about Soundstage depth ... but I think most of the frequency issues can be resolved via DSP correction.
Great information thanks. I was in the market for a surround sound setup for my new room I am planning. I was curious your thoughts on the RP 80002 vs the older generation RP 8000. This woudl be for movies, tv, ps5 and sports events. Would the RP 8000 be fine for this application? The room has one little window, and one door other than a bathroom door normal sized. My room size is 17 * 15. Thanks for any information to help me select a long lasting good speaker set up? Also maybe a center channel slelection for the RP 8000 series speaker. Thanks
You only want a completely flat response for music only you want a dynamic some elevated highs for movies and tv
Measurements, someone's personal hearing, personal listening room, electronics are all factors. Minor dips/bumps may actually help. That being said, eq's can correct this. Room treatment. and so on. You can suck all the oxygen out of a room and pass out from trying to interpret what a speaker sounds like based on measurements. It rarely sounds that way.
You should see the measurments Richard Hardesty did of the vaunted $20,000 Wilson watt-puppy 5'. The most laughably bad measurements I have seen of any speaker over $299 a pair. Meanwhile, Vandersteen 2ce signature III's measure extremely well, but they are NOT going to be exciting for home theater of those that prefer realistic transients. So measurements need to be taken with a grain of salt, one way or the other.
People that prefer laid back will automatically dismiss klipsch. People who prefer klipsch won't be excited by laid back and rolled off speakers.
"Should have more bass?"
I have heard plenty of 8" towers that may reach deeper, but the drivers are slow to transients. Others that have a fake hump to simulate low bass. Most vintage speakers, even 12" models didn't have the quality, punch or depth of bass of the 8000FII.
Another great video! I had Klipsch RF-35 then graduated to RP-280F, but am moving away from Klipsch. They are a good mainstream user home theater setup, which is why they sell well, but to get a more audiophile grade you need to look elsewhere.
That's true. When I bought my parents their speakers, I found they preferred Klipsch overall. Its very mainstream sounding.
In the UK the Monitor Audio Silver 500 7G (I like the Ash finish) are £1725.00. The Klispch RP-8000F II are £1699.00. The MA are a better speaker, much better finish, and MA HQ is only 20 miles from me. When I do get around to replacing my left/right mains I will be going with the MA Silver 500's. I think we both get hit by import tax's. Klipsch cost more in the UK than the US, and vice versa.
@@johnbancroft5242 Having auditioned the MA Silver 500 7G I would agree, far better than the Klipsch, had very clean articulate sound and tight bass. I would take those the the 3 way Monitor Audio C205 in a heartbeat over the Kipsch.
@@johnbancroft5242 Can I assume your 1725GBP is for the pair? If so then WOW, shows home country advantage. Here ins US the MA 500 Silver 7G is $1700USD each! And the Gold 300 3X that. I would be all in on MA except the prices here in US are insane. I really wanted the Golds, but can't justify them. At the US price points the Arendale 1723 will likely be a better deal than the MA. The I wish Erin would do the MA Silver 500 and C250 Center as they seen to measure perfectly linearity wise.
I have the RF-82 towers and I have plenty of low end extension.
Thank you for this analysis. I got them 8000f 2s without seeing this and it comfirms everything I thought. woofer on the way, ordered two days ago.
How do I used your measurement graph to adjust for correction on an EQ? I’m thinking of a Douk T8Pro to compensate speaker defects
Or any EQ.
Very nice! I'm wondering if you ever check for matching between the pair? This could be useful to give us a sense of quality control.
in some rooms when you lack bass is due to room nulls / bass cancellations. As not all rooms get bass gain.
I specifically mentioned thinking that could be the culprit but I found out what the cause was when I evaluated the measurements. Plus, keep in mind that I have a pretty good idea of what to expect from room issues since it's my room(s) and I have measured it (them) about a billion times with all sorts of speakers in all sorts of settings. 🙃
I have the 8000F IIs. I think you are spot on with the review. I cross them at 60 hz to a home made 8.5 cubic ft sub. If you can EQ them a bit they work very well. A parametric EQ like a minidsp would be really nice! A low Q 3db cut centered at 3khz would do a lot. Maybe another at 400hz or so. For me the bump at 14khz would be inaudible. I have them towed in extra so the listening area is maybe 10deg off axis. BTW if a person is patient you can get this quite a bit below MSRP.
Hey, considering the 8000F IIS right now, do you have any feedback after using them for a while? Would you buy them again? Also, right now they appear to be full MSRP, any idea what the below
@@brianl6151 Hi Brian, I would not pay MSRP. I like them for sure but my ears are old and not that good so I cannot hear above about 11khz. They are best with a subwoofer. I actually got mine for about $395 each with some double stacked coupon deal at fry's a few years ago.
@@gregkramer5588 few years ago. Does that mean you have the RP-8000 I and not Series II? I thought these were recent series and much improved over the I class.
As for sub I am not concerned as I have PB-2000 Pro"s setup.
What sub would you recommend with the 8000ii running with the sony str az5000es, center channel def tech 2002, and def tech bookshelf for sides of couch?
I’ve been impressed by Monoprice subwoofers.
I cant really tell from your reviews - do you think it would be better to use the floors as sides, or go with bookshelves, for example 500m ii or the 5000f ii?
Yes I was wondering the same thing as I have subwoofers anyways
Curious what the sound difference is it enough to spend double the price to upgrade? 8000f is $400 VS $899 8000f II
That's what I want to know.
I know you’ve likely got your hands full, but I’d love if you could review the r-800f ii
It would be great to compare that with this review!
Please measure a CerwinVega! Speaker. I have never seen measurements for any CV speaker before. I think it would be a popular video. Perhaps someone you know close to where you live can get you some.
Excellent Presentation (Actually What Tech Presenters Should Provide when they Open Their Often Subjective Mouths). Certainly PERFECTION vey likely "Doesn't Exist" in Speakers With Passive CrossOver Components) . One may get closer at $20,000 Per Pair, and that also will depend on the Fabricator. What it's worth, WE LIKE KLIPSCH BRIGHTNESS, because we don't appreciate a "Thunk" from the C8 on a Grand Piano In Concert.
Hi Erin, what brand speakers do you recommend. These new 8000 and 504c are in my shopping list but it doesn’t seem to get any love from your channel. Surely the engineers that have designed these didn’t just slap them together without any science thrown into it. Am I just hearing your own thoughts about it or is it really that bad.
Audioholics and Andrew Robinson both have reviews on the 8000 mk IIs and they approach with very different philosophies yet seem to agree in their primary conclusions. Might be worth checking out for other perspectives.
@@user-gs4oi1fm4l they agreed what, with Erin?
so do the gen 1 have better bass ?
Thanks for the review Erin. If Klipsch designed this trio for Home Theater use only I guess I can understand where they would think a buyer would use them with a sub, but for this 2-channel listener that would be a huge disappointment for speakers that claim to go down to 35 or 36 db's depending on the model.
Please review Dali Oberon 9
Would you pair the RP-6000F II with RP-404C II or RP-504C II center speaker?
I have Klipsch rp-5000m II + rp-504c. This is the top.
I have the first gen 8000F and 504C. I like them especially since they are gorgeous piano black and I got them at blowout prices. ($479 each tower.) Piano black at that price i could not help myself! Not low end monsters but they sound great with 2 SVS SB3000 subs
Sacrificing some bass performance for better sensitivity and dynamics is actually a plus since these will work well with lower powered amps (I.e. tube amp). Adding a sub is not a big deal.
There are other problems shown as well. This is not a great speaker. It's a mass market speaker.
Hi I’m in a confusion between rp5000f ii and rp6000f ii. Which one do you suggest? Is the 6000 worth the extra 150$
No
The klipsch Rp series must be the most reviewed speaker in the world😅, but who orders all the reviews, Klipsch sells them by the thousands. there must be many subscriptions in keep checking the same speakers because many people buy them😅.. Klipsch sound is Klipsch sound. Poul McGowan says in one of his videos , that the Copper ones from Klipsch sounds pretty good 😉
Another great vid. No chance of comparing these to the mk1's I'm guessing?
I was interested in the comparison. Never found it.
I have always read Klipsch accentuates base (and highs). That they have a lively, punchy sound. However, this reviewer says the opposite, lean midbase, no extension. I'm confused.
You should do like a top ten best of all time speakers under 3 grand or so if you haven’t already
Anyone has compared 8000 vs 8000II ?
Yes there is a comparison out there!!!! Check youtube
I appreciate you getting these measurements up. Good to know that the new 8000F's are not an option for me. I was hoping they'd perform a little better(I love the way Klipsch speakers look with the copper looking driver and horn). Just looks bright and lean, which is quite disappointing for a big dual 8" tower.
Erin, love your channel! We need a different perspective on the same thing to make an informed decision. But I will say my Klipsch 8000 took 3 weeks to loosen up. Idk if I found it crazy saying it but when I first got them they did sound thin. Now I feel like the mech on the woofer is looser and now plays deeper in my room of course. But I only used them for HT, not critical 2-channel stereo.
Thanks. I had these for about a month before I measured them.
Your video about 3 way center channels performing better than 2 way. Does the same go for surround speakers, is that necessary or beneficial? So a surround sound setup of the unifi uf52 with matching center/surround would be a great home theater setup possibly compared to the Polk R500 surround setup?
Thanks
What the hell to get then? In 2023 what recommendations for towers? I’m new to the channel
Get a pair of Morel Avyra 633s
Would love to see the RF-7 III measurements. I know they are a few years old, but it’s their flagship and would like to see what you get at the top of their lineup.
Nothing against Klipsch, but I have reviewed so many of their speakers recently that I would be OK if I didn’t measure another one for another year. 😂
But who knows… we will see. 👍
@@ErinsAudioCornerIt's been a year! 😂
Thank you as always great job. Hopefully you are done with Klipsch for your own good. HF
Yeah we kind of know what we're going to get from those copper woofer and horn models, they are designed to work with each other of course so they'll measure somewhat similr
When bigger is better, then I want the Cornwalls.
2x8" with F3 in the 60 Hz region is amazing. I would never be able to DIY a floorstander with such a poor bass performance if I was paid $1M to do it.
It would be awesome that you could review the Magnat Ultra Cinema THX speakers, there is no measurement data for those speakers or an objective in room response opinion. Best regards from México.
Yeah. I already ask US distributor to loan some to Erin, but without any response. But you can try too.
@@pulDag I will
Considering the size of the speakers this should have more bass!!!
What did everyone end up going with? 6000 or 8000?
5000
Can someone explain the compression linearity graph?
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@@ErinsAudioCorner Thanks! I think I understand the concept. Although not the most linear in the world, it looks like this is one of the most linear over a wider range of volume? While being linear at 75dB at your seated position may be good enough for most folks, it looks like the RP-8000F is more linear than most other speakers at 95dB for example. In your experience, are there many / any tower speaker with a more impressive compression linearity performance?
My brother in law has Klipsch stuff. I cannot handle listening to them. They are so fatiguing because of the high frequency bias.
i have not heard klipsch floorstanders myself, but the off axis response is not what i call hifi, not complaining about the narrow dispersion but the weird behavior of it.
and then comes the bass, port and no low bass is ridiculous and the roll of starts a 60hz for the largest one, when i think that is should go up instead for real life flat response to our ears. making even flat response below 100hz sound anemic. unless you have the speakers close to wall and you also sit close to wall, but then all hifi qualities are out the window at that point, not only the bass are destroyed when you do that.
i do complain but at this price point speakers are trying to be everything and fails at most things in the attempt. so value wise its competitive at the price point maybe?
Last time I told you not to use so much text, this time I tell you to take your time. In my experience you seemed to be a little in a rush in this review. But your text was to the point! I appreciate how you relate your subjective findings to the objective data.
Thank you for your efforts to create educational, informative and entertaining content.
By the way no Klipsch for me, I bought the KEF R7 last week, hooked them up to the Audiophonics HPA S400 ET power amplifier, pre-amplified by the Novatron Cocktail Audio X-45 streamer/DAC/audio player. A REL T5 takes care of the lower bass in my system.
Keep up the good work Erin!
Linton 85ths vs RP-8000FII?
Easy for me: Linton
Is reasonable to think the dip between 1-2 KHz fills in with distance?
His data is showing anechoic far-field data, and the Spinorama is assuming a reasonably sized room, placing these in a giant room siting 25ft away will obviously change things.
It wouldn’t. Even at 3-4 meters, I was hearing it.
Would be cool to see some more measurements of tower speakers, like for example elac ufr52.
I just wanna buy some speakers. This was way too technical for me :(. I have a 4 by 5 meter room. Any guidance - anyone?
Yes I can help
@@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah Wonderful! Luckily I haven’t pulled the trigger just yet. I’m not on a very tight budget, but I also don’t want to get ripped off unnecessarily? What would be a good balance? I’ve heard the Klipsch range to be pretty descent, but then I’m rarely sure which size and which types to get for my room.
@@MarsorryIckuatuna TH-cam would be hard to get my point across... do you have a reddit or a Discord or a Facebook or Twitter. The conversation can be smoother and more streamlined there... I have no skin and just wanna help based on my extensive hands-on experience with speakers because of the numerous audio shows I've been to
It is a sea of copper woofers.
All this speakers specify high end up to 22 -24kHz , why you stop at 20kHz. My speakers play up to 40kHz and that make big difference.
how can it make a big difference for homo sapiens? Elaborate please.
@@pulDag It probably doesn't due to "playing up to 40kHz"
It might due to better performance in the audio band as resonant peaks will be far higher, and distortions will have less effect if it's a good driver.
But it's not due to being able to hear those frequencies :)
And of course there's no guarantee that a tweeter that plays up to 40kHz or more instantly sounds better
@@RennieAsh yes, thats why one number says nothing.
Dam it just bought the 8000f 2, and there about 3 k in Australia maybe I should cancel them before they send them out
Don't worry too much about it, mate . I got Klipsch Reference R800F floorstanding speakers and wish a subwoofer and believe me, you will like them .
Like the Audioholics tests. i feel the RP8000f mark II's horn is a bit hot (on purpose).
The original RP-8000F mark l's had better integration imho. Good placement helps of course.
The SVS sb 2000 pro, blends quite well for mine with the RP-8000 I.
BSC of 3dB is actually ideal for speakers designed for near wall placement. Most speakers that you review has full 6dB BSC which is a disaster for near wall placement.
There is another issue here, the hotter high frequencies, which will make the bass thin even for near wall placement.
Most DIY'er who design speakers according to their room use BSC of 3-4dB, for a reason.
Yeah, I forgot to mention that. I checked the manual in hopes that they would tell you to place a speaker near the wall and it might account for this. However, the manual only shows a drawing and in the drawing it looks like the speakers are out from the wall if you put things to scale. The written portion only discusses the distance between the speakers but not the distance from the walls. In my opinion, if they are designed to be placed near a wall they really should state that. With that said, though, placing them near a wall will also cause a dip in the mid range. So you have to pick your poison.
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@@ErinsAudioCorner Actually, I read the manual before posting my comment and I was surprised absolutely no mention of rear wall distance, but then a lot of things Klipsch does surprises me. Maybe they know a lot of user will put these right against the wall anyway and don't want to admit that this is a near wall or small room design. Regardless, the BSC makes sense, the hot tweeter ruins the party I guess.
About midrange suckout with near wall placement, I took some measurements a few weeks back with just 6 inch clearance the speakers and the data was much smoother than I expected.
@@super-z8943 I feel that speakers having a little less output in the upper bass can sound good with a sub, as you get the boom boom without the bloated boxy bass sound. But it can lack a bit of warmth. Of course if you use well designed speakers, they won't sound bloated in that region anyway and you can use a more ideal response
Titanium compression drivers have sub-harmonic distortion.
8000f ii + subwoofer for movie is perfect. For music 🙄
6000 ii nice for music
everyone forgets the 4000
They don’t make the 4000 anymore that was only In gen 1
I've been looking into some passive towers, and let's just say I didn't consider Klipsch ...
If the speakers were as good as the review they would have been great.
too many amateur design mistakes for my liking.