As far as I know, the Tiptronic won’t allow the engine to over-rev. Quite an important plus, I’d say. I’ve had mine for 17 years and I still love driving it. A manual would have been a pain in the years when it was my daily commuter. No big mechanical issues but I changed the IMS , just in case - it was fine, but there we go. Values now going up nicely
I have both manual and a Tiptronic: I like them both very much!! No one takes the time to learn how to drive them properly..! They are different cars.. so I drive them for specific trips! 👍😎👍
Another good video - cheers - and thats a cracking looking car 👍 I have an early Dec'97 C2 tiptronic and love it - unless at the limit on a track I don't wish for a manual... as you say very relaxing and enjoyable to drive but fun when you want it to be. In my opinion, the real world performance gap to a manual is minimal- if you check the gear ratio graphs in the user handbook then you can see that 1st, 2nd and 3rd are near identical up to c.100mph at 7000rpm. The extra ratio in the manual just splits the 4th to 5th shift and will only really give more performance between 110-150mph - I doubt many people use that much performance 99% of the time... top gear 5th in the tip or 6th manual are similar and if anything give more relaxed cruising with the slightly higher ratio for 5th in the tiptronic... I chose a tiptronic for all these reasons.
I have a 997.1 Turbo with a Tiptronic S transmission and it is quite enjoyable. Compared to a PDK...ok you will get to the office 3 seconds later on a 10minute drive...
Turbo tiptronic has benefit of giving driver brief pause before engaging hyperspace when in a straight line. Manual is mandatory for base motor re vastly lower torque
@@Amazingfeet Disagree, I drove final 4S version if 996.2 with a Tiptronic and it simply wasn’t as perky in first, then I drove c2 and c4 tip and manual, back to back from city to nearby curvy canyons.The Tiptronics are all the same; better to have 911 or Boxster with a Tip than not have one at all! Now have second Boxster with Tip for wife and it’s a rewarding drive although it won’t rev beyond 6,500 rpm
2008 997.1 4S Tiptronic S with Sports Chrono....and it's fab. Sport mode nicely alters the auto-shifting temperament ...and AUTO mode can be overridden by the steering wheel rocker paddles (+/ -) without engaging Manual mode anyway. Perfect. Always enjoy the heartfelt vids from you. Well done...and thank you.
I have a manual 996 4’S’ and a manual 986 Boxster ‘S’ however our 996 Turbo is a Tiptronic (as my Dad prefers it - always did even when ordering them new) - I think it’s very well suited to the Turbo as it makes it very ‘point and shoot’ which is good fun. I think there are pro and cons to both boxes and everyone will have their preferences. It is also totally the right decision to reinstate the original ‘Carrera 4’ script badge on the back of this car as well!
Great Vid. I have a 997.1 turbo Tip, its fantastic. Daily driver, relaxing when you want it be but boy oh boy, fun went you want it to be. Enjoying your videos keep up the good work.
Hello Luke I have a 03 996 C4S trip with intake and headers and pipes and it goes pretty good. I have had a a manual and I live in a big city it sucks shift and shift compared to relaxing after work. Great video pal ! I also have a 993C4 cab 6sp So I can get my fix. I just bought a low milage C6 Corvette so I have the bestow both world but I do enjoy you referbs. Around Bend Oregon out
Another good video. I liked that you brought the lads in for a chat at the end. Your reasons for preferring manual to tiptronic are logical, honest and really quite straightforward. I also agree that the tiptronic is dated on an otherwise classic & timeless vehicle. One of the reasons I was attracted to your channel, is because I prefer the same spec 996 you seem to favour - 6 speed manual, coupe, non sunroof and if I could, the much rarer rear wiper delete.
Hi Mark. Thanks for your comments again. I recall you agreeing with my views in previous videos, so you are clearly a man of taste! (in my opinion, anyway...)
I had a knee injury a few years ago and I had to sell my manual car back then so i totally get if that’s the reason someone would buy an automatic. With all that said though, my knee if better now and when I get to buy a Porsche it will be a manual, exactly for the reasons you mentioned. It totally takes away from the driving experience, and you don’t feel in control as much. Awesome videos btw! Keep it up.
Totally agree with your views about auto v manual. The PDK as you say is a fantatsic gearbox and one of the best of its type as well as being quicker than an equivalent manual but I will always prefer the manual option due to the added involvement and control.
I consider myself an enthusiast and have always had manuals, including earlier Porsches, until my 997.1. I intentionally got the tip tropic for this one. A couple of reasons. I’m now in an area where I have to routinely valet park - no option with that. Also my wife, who used to drive manuals, had hip surgery - she couldn’t drive a manual now even if she needed to. Plus I leave the car and keys with my housekeeper whenever I traveled - the car is with her now. She doesn’t do manuals - the alternative was leaving the key with the doorman, which wasn’t going to happen. At least the housekeeper is careful. So this one had to be automatic. One benefit- I can now at least also loan the car to visitors without worrying about the clutch.
I just bought a Tip and love it. Great since I live in London and spend 90% of my time in stop-start traffic. I did not bother considering a manual as it's a PITA and I cba with one when I just want to get to my destination. Most of your points aren't new but the 5 speed thing is defo an issue as the manual is a 6 speed box so that is a bit odd of Porsche. I guess that was the only box available to them at the time - I understand it's actually a Merc autobox? I say "issue", it's as much an issue as it is that I only have 3 packets of crisps in the cupboard. ;)
Hello Luke, ye i agree to most of your thoughts on manual etc....buut i love my Tiptronic..... you can shift and go sporty if i like and it is fast enough for me and i can go relaxed,.... relaxed and alwaise the option to jump in.... like your videos thank you much for it. Rg Bernd
I have a 2002 996 Tiptronic and I love it. If there is traffic you don't have to mess with shifting. Plus my wife likes to drive it and she wouldn't want to shift. It's not PDK but it's still great.
I had a 2011 Panamera with PDK and now a 911 tiptronic honestly PDK was the same it skewer gear shifting than my tiptronic, love it and glad I have it in toronto traffic
Very nice if it was a Targa and had a AMG paddle conversion like my 996 .2 3.6, also have the Aero kit and switchable sports exhust Perfect in my eyes evan if i am a young at Heart VOAP. Keep up the good videos.
Having driven 996 Tip and. 997 gen 1 tip Turbo, I couldn't live with the steering wheel buttons. PDK is said to be a far better gearbox, but again the steering wheel buttons s don't work for me. The paddles on the sport wheel or retrofitted on 996 / 997 are a good way forward. I went manual in a 997.2 and in hindsight a paddle wheeled PDK would have been a better option. That car looks stunning. The 996 has aged very gracefully in the last few years
Great video, once again. Any idea how rare the X51 package is? I’ve never driven a non-X51 package 996 but my neighbor says there’s a significant torque difference and availability throughout the rev range. Any feedback/ comment on this? Always appreciate the brilliant videos.
I grew up driving the coastal mountain backroads of Northern California. I've owned and abused lots of smaller sports cars. The 4 cylinder ones absolutely needed a manual to squeeze every ounce of power and manipulation I could find, because they were underpowered for my driving style, including the 914. Later, after owning Audis and a BMW both with paddle shifters, and searching for a long time I found a very nice 996 C2 cab, which I wasn't originally interested in. But since it also had a hard top, and was in great shape, I bought it. After the BMW and Audis I didn't care which transmission it had anymore, Condition was more important to me. This car has plenty of power, and I don't miss the left foot because the paddle shifters work well, and I'm still using gears for control anyway. The only time I miss a manual is when the guy in the black Corvette sees me and revs his V8. Its all his car does, so I can live with it. When I get behind the wheel, I grin a lot, the 996 is so nice as an everyday car, very versatile. Open top is a blast and gives a ton of road connectivity. The hard top is quiet and solid. Its like having 2 cars. For me, it just works, to each their own. Owned it 5 years so far, and still smiling. The great thing about Porsche is each one can be purpose built for what ever YOU want. For that reason, this whole conjecture seems irrelevant to me.
I had a turbo 997 with a tip tuned to 650 hp did 10.9 in the 1/4 I changed the fluid in the trans at 85k when I drained it I was like why am I doing this it looks like new same as the new fluid. Trans was very good yes a bit slow on the shift but very good trans !!!
I drive my tip in manual 90% of the time. In auto mode it changes up far too early as it defaults to the eco map. It would be great if it had an sport button to select the sportiest map. I can't personally stand manual cars so the tip works for me. Also you can't overev tips which is good
In 1997 I ordered a new Boxster, manual in guards red, the salesman said something about guards red one day making a comeback. When the car arrived at the dealership the dealer principal called me and said it looked so good they were ordering one, I think as a demonstrator. Colour is personal, I agree with everything you’re saying and yes I used to panic whenever I left it parked anywhere. Regarding manual vs Auto, the clutch, my height (6ft) and the angle my knee was always at to depress it caused me a lot of pain, when I sold it (back to AFN for a profit - yes really) I vowed I’d get either another Boxster or a 911 and it’d be an auto. Sales of new automatic cars are growing and some cars are only available as automatics, which supports your preference for manuals. It won’t be too long and used manuals will be as hard to find as autos have been in the past. Next time you should talk about sunroofs, personally, I won’t buy a car without one, unless it’s a convertible. I totally get rigidity and low centre of gravity, I’ve driven a few circuits but these days I just want a nice road car with as many options. Great channel and I admire your attention to detail on all the cars you sell.
Hi Ken. Well done you for being one of the few who went against the grain and ordered a Guards Red car - you clearly have good taste. Regarding the sun-roof, quite simply, I prefer the cleaner roof line of a car without. I do however appreciate why some people have a preference for a car with a sun-roof (usually people who don't live in the UK and get a little more sunshine!).
I would have never bought an auto red anything , but i now have a hip problem, and have bought a red 4 series auto, Now i dont think i would go back to manual, now looking to sell a couple of bikes to get an auto 911,,,,,maybe even red?... Lovin the vids guys....
Interesting video. While I wouldn't choose a Guards Red 996/7 I think its nice enough. Not concerned that it makes it flashy, wheras (sorry) I think that spoiler does - ok on a GT3 but a bit knobbish on a stock car. Just my opinion, though I like the sill covers (although Id worry they would hide deteriorating paint/ rust). The centre console is, for me, a bit in your face too, makes it look very plasticky especially as there is no other red in the cabin except the seatbelts which are a way different shade. re the tiptronic, is a bit outdated compared to PDK, have considered one but my car is manual (yes and boring arctic silver!!) - also reading round the subject there is some people who think bore scoring is worse in the tiptronic cars. Although they cant be over revved, they can easily be used to compete in the traffic light grands prix after standing getting all hot. Also if left to themselves can use low revs/ high torque which in some peoples opinion is a main cause of the bore scoring
Great video. Surely it makes business sense if customers want an automatic then you would make money? I’d prefer an automatic as it’s simply personal preference
I think you are missing a trick with Tips I own and love a 99 c2 Tip fell in love with the 996 when a friend bought a 996.2 c2 manual and let me drive it new then I had to have one. I am a petrol head had performance cars all my life back in the day my daily drivers were Saab’s I had several 900 turbos including a aero then moved on to a 93 vectra I went to the garage to test drive a particular car which had sold just before I got there the salesman had the same model with Tip I wasn’t going to buy it but interested in how the 93 drive so did a test drive it was epic and I bought it my Tip gives me spirited driving in manual and mile crunching in auto best of both worlds
I've got a turbo tip with the x50 pack, had it nearly 9 years,fantastic car,never wanted a manual, the tip Is well suited to the turbo, constantly on boost through the gears,the kickdown is insane, manual with paddle shift,left foot braking,to name just a few benefits.
Hi Luke. The red 996 is gorgeous iv'e always been a manual man my 1982 911sc was manual. But the cayenne I got at the mo is tip. And it's a nice beast.. I'd definitely have that red 996. Regards Bob Rose..
Hi Luke. Yes it was lovely in the end. I paid three grand for it with a blown engine. I rebuilt the engine my self and then restored the whole car. I had it 10 years. I had to sell it because of a divorce. But it went to the right guy. A German chap that works at porsche in reading . He gave me a day out at porsche experience at Silverstone. Just up the road from me.. I really wish I had not have to sell it... got lots of pictures of the build. And I even sprayed it my self.. Regards Bob
The tip gets you the best of both worlds if you live the the city. Auto changes without your left thigh growing bigger than your right and use the tip buttons (I've got mine with paddles) for manual shifting. The manual shifting is not going to be much slower than your manual gearbox shifts. All 0-62mph timing for autos are done with allowing the auto gearbox to its own devices and not recorded on manual shifts. Ok, perhaps it loses out on driver involvement but good luck when you are caught in a traffic jam.
The Tiptronic is a Mercedes unit. The PDK is the one to go for. A manual in these days is a pain in the **** on the congested roads. All the TH-cam videos are usually shot on empty roads. Manuals are so trendy down the pub but crap to use in real life. Jaguar sold 7 V8 F-types with the manual box.
The merc unit wasn't in the car in this video is a ZF, the merc unit is much better but people drive an early auto 3.4 and get confused as they do not suite the 996 but the 3.6 merc tip is excellent
I almost had to check the garage, thought it was mine. I do have the GT3 sticker on the back lol. I also have Porsche racing carbon seats, really comfy. I cant say i am keen on the center console. When we are able, we will have to give the old girl a blast and come and see you.
No I didn't take offence to the comment, I'm to old and ugly to take offence lol. Love the cars and videos. And we will come down and see you in the summer.
@@andrewoakley4957 I should give up mate, you can take some horses to water but you cant make them drink! I know what you meant as did 99.99% of other viewers!
@@johnwh1039 Thanks Andrew. Hew, I was simply stating I'm not keen on GT3 badges being installed on non-GT3 Porsches, generally. I wasn't stating that the particular car in the video had any GT3 badges on it. I hope this helps.
1st gear in manual cannot be matched by Tiptronic, and you can enjoy that from every full stop. While my base Carrera has ultra-boring grey interior, I rarely notice it as the drive is so engaging even 4.5 years later and many costs for maintenance. When I want mellow, half the time, I take my Jaguar XJ6 1997. Tiptronic in 2nd and 3rd gear in canyon driving is good though.
Hello Luke, I am really enjoying your videos. Keep up the good work. I just purchased, here in Canada, a 2005 996 C2 Cabriolet with 53000kms. The car is in pristine condition, however, the IMS bearing has never been changed. Would you suggest I change it right away, if so, what IMS bearing would you install or do you use at your shop. Thanks! Pierre
This isn't FG Garage replying, just a Porsche owner, but if you watch these great videos it appears that FG change out IMS bearings pretty much as a matter of course on the cars they sell unless a recent change is documented. From my information, as a 2005 996, your car has the weakest of the 3 possible IMS bearings fitted. I do not know the best bearing so wouldn't want to try to answer that part of your question, but I believe replacements are available now that can be regarded as a permanent fix which really will put your mind at rest.
@@johnwh1039 Thank you John, I noticed on one of the videos that the IMS bearing used was from EPS and was wondering if the bearing used was one of those cylindrical bearings.
@@pierrenovak4971 I really cant comment other than to say that I know there are various solutions including a ceramic bearing and one which uses an oil feed taken, I believe, from s sandwich plate fitted beneath the oil filter. There are contact details for FG on their website, maybe best to contacy direct. John
From the description ion their website for the red 996 that is subject of this video 'The flat six mounted over the rear axle is in perfect health, with a nice smooth idle, power in abundance, an intoxicating exhaust note, and crucially, had its IMS bearing upgraded for our favoured EPS cylindrical unit just 4,000 miles / 2 years ago.'
Hi Pierre. Congrats on the purchase. We would highly recommend upgrading the IMS bearing. We upgrade the bearing to all of our sales cars and use the "EPS" cylindrical unit. I hope this helps.
@@Porsche9174Ever of course I have, I would never voice an opinion unless I had driven one or two! I tried a few of each before buying my tip coupe with sunroof! people hate the tip,, I'm glad because it keeps prices down for the people who actually know how to drive them ! (there is a knack to tip which you need to tune into!) people dont like sunroof 996's ( never understand this as I love mine it's fantastic on sunny days) but I do not like the 3.4 996 tip as it's difference in hp and torque does not suite the auto/tip and the early cars 3.4 zf gearbox isn't as nice as the 3.6, you wouldn't think its noticable but it is for sure the .2 is better, I don't like the floppy rattly ugly convertibles at all though, I considered a few as they are cheaper than the proper 911's but after driving them they are frankly not a sportscar and a totally different car,,, and imo ugly!!
I happen to like the red exterior and the interior accents except the console. A bit garish. Do the shift buttons on both sides have up and down shift functions? So you can shift with either hand. I thought you were going to get Ollie a coffee? That boy is so cute he should still be crawling around on the rug in nappies. Lol
996 Turbo with Triptronic isn't bad ... since almost all performance driving is in 2nd and 3rd gear.. just 2 gears from 0 up to 100mph. (1st gear isn't even used, LOL.... massive torque)
If I was purchasing a Porsche 911 of any model, I would want a guards red car. I am biased as a lot of my cars have been red, strangely both of my sons chose red cars.
PDK & manual have their pros and cons…PDK being my preference. It’s unfortunate to see a 996/997.1 in a rare color combo with desirable interior options only to spot an ugly Tip. gear selector. What if Porsche kept refining the Sport-O-Matic until they launched PDK on their street cars?
The problem with the tiptronic for me is the useless buttons for manual mode on the steering wheel, I think the later dual clutch autos with paddles are much better because at least you have a good manual mode option
Tiptronic pros, your gf/wife can drive it home after you’ve had too many drinks, you can eat food/drinks without any problems or difficulty. While in traffic you’re not constantly clutching ,and shifting. “Spirited drives” happen only in the first few months of ownership Driving to dinner happens far more often. Easier to sell to a larger market as anyone can drive one. Also, the market that can afford a 911 is older,not a 20’s kid, looking to drive like an arse. Enthusiasts are rare. Enthusiasts who will spend money rarer.
Good video. Gen 2 Tip is better. I don't have a problem with the Tip. As cars like these and cars in general are 90% emotion and fuelled by 'talk', and emotion. All this talk of driving in 'extremis' all the time. Who does that? I drive most of the time in D but sometimes I change using the buttons. At say 50 mph behind a slower car I can change down 2 gears without moving the lever into manual mode quicker than a manual. And control the car in bends etc etc. Enthusiastic driver; first held a competition licence in 1973. OK, getting on a bit, but.......😄
Totally agree so many people here confuse the gutless 3.4 auto with the 3.6 tip which if driven back to back are worlds apart, you also need to learn how to drive a tip properly but people just don't like them as they have no idea how to drive them properly, the 3.6 tip is a brilliant combination, more power and torque than the 3.4 and better economy too a world apart and I prefer a proper auto to a computerised manual which is pdk
I have a 2002 996 Carrera 4 the tiptronic is awful I would never buy another had it serviced to see if it helped it’s too slow on changes and no comparison to a manual
I think you should remove the bit where you use the phone whilst driving, lest PC Plod likes Porsche and is watching this. Unless it was on a private road 😂
@@n2kos not if you use the buttons like a manual they are instant changes in manual on the. 2 merc boxes, ZF 3.4 like this car not so good which is obviously why they changed after a few years!
“Manual license”? Is that a thing in the UK? When we rented a car for a driving tour of England and Wales I requested and received a manual (Hyundai estate diesel haha) no questions asked.
Jesus Christ 25k !!! thats a little more than I was thinking! Thought 15k would be alot for a mk1 996 tip, but 25!! i'm sure someone will have it! i'm off to paint mine red!! and you do realise if you put in manual mode it's a different animal and the 5 speed doesn't matter its brilliant, I love the tip, I'd love to drag race a manual to see the real difference and you manual lovers lose momentum when the clutch is dipped,, the 996.2 is a better tip box than the one you're driving, I've driven both, very different, same with rag tops vs coupe, rag tops are horrible to drive, I'd have that car though its lovely,
Tips are great, I use my C2 tip in manual all the time and it still shift gears faster than a manual, Plus you don’t bang your left knee on the dash lifting up from the clutch. I have driven both and won’t go back to manual, the tip between 4000-7000rpm is just a dream. You can drive 0-60 in second gear and in third you keep going right upto 100. Just don’t drive it it auto dude, that’s for granny’s
No, your butt-meter can discern difference in first gear. Once you are doing 2nd and 3rd in canyons they seem equal for fun but having the extra decisions with manual is a key element for entertainment
You'll simply maximize your available customer base by selling automatics. Unfortunately, manuals are a dying breed and fewer and fewer people know how to properly drive one. It to me is a salient business decision and is the only proven way for Porsche to stay alive.
As far as I know, the Tiptronic won’t allow the engine to over-rev. Quite an important plus, I’d say.
I’ve had mine for 17 years and I still love driving it. A manual would have been a pain in the years when it was my daily commuter.
No big mechanical issues but I changed the IMS , just in case - it was fine, but there we go.
Values now going up nicely
I have both manual and a Tiptronic: I like them both very much!! No one takes the time to learn how to drive them properly..!
They are different cars.. so I drive them for specific trips! 👍😎👍
I also learned my Tiptronic on the track.. huge difference!
Another good video - cheers - and thats a cracking looking car 👍
I have an early Dec'97 C2 tiptronic and love it - unless at the limit on a track I don't wish for a manual... as you say very relaxing and enjoyable to drive but fun when you want it to be. In my opinion, the real world performance gap to a manual is minimal- if you check the gear ratio graphs in the user handbook then you can see that 1st, 2nd and 3rd are near identical up to c.100mph at 7000rpm. The extra ratio in the manual just splits the 4th to 5th shift and will only really give more performance between 110-150mph - I doubt many people use that much performance 99% of the time... top gear 5th in the tip or 6th manual are similar and if anything give more relaxed cruising with the slightly higher ratio for 5th in the tiptronic...
I chose a tiptronic for all these reasons.
I have a 997.1 Turbo with a Tiptronic S transmission and it is quite enjoyable. Compared to a PDK...ok you will get to the office 3 seconds later on a 10minute drive...
Turbo tiptronic has benefit of giving driver brief pause before engaging hyperspace when in a straight line. Manual is mandatory for base motor re vastly lower torque
@@computerhelpcc maybe in the 3.4 but the 3.6 is decent as has more power and torque plus a better gearbox than the 3.4 as 3.4 is an old ZF box
@@Amazingfeet Disagree, I drove final 4S version if 996.2 with a Tiptronic and it simply wasn’t as perky in first, then I drove c2 and c4 tip and manual, back to back from city to nearby curvy canyons.The Tiptronics are all the same; better to have 911 or Boxster with a Tip than not have one at all! Now have second Boxster with Tip for wife and it’s a rewarding drive although it won’t rev beyond 6,500 rpm
Great video! Love to see staff actually drive what they work on too. Very cool.
2008 997.1 4S Tiptronic S with Sports Chrono....and it's fab. Sport mode nicely alters the auto-shifting temperament ...and AUTO mode can be overridden by the steering wheel rocker paddles (+/ -) without engaging Manual mode anyway. Perfect. Always enjoy the heartfelt vids from you. Well done...and thank you.
I have a manual 996 4’S’ and a manual 986 Boxster ‘S’ however our 996 Turbo is a Tiptronic (as my Dad prefers it - always did even when ordering them new) - I think it’s very well suited to the Turbo as it makes it very ‘point and shoot’ which is good fun. I think there are pro and cons to both boxes and everyone will have their preferences. It is also totally the right decision to reinstate the original ‘Carrera 4’ script badge on the back of this car as well!
It sounds as if you and your dad are real Porsche enthusiasts! I'm glad you agree with the badging!
Great Vid. I have a 997.1 turbo Tip, its fantastic. Daily driver, relaxing when you want it be but boy oh boy, fun went you want it to be. Enjoying your videos keep up the good work.
Waiting nearing 15 minutes before trying out the manual aspect of the Tip? Sure made you smile immediately! That's what sells the car.
The first 9 mins are exactly why I want a Tiptronic
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Tiptronic is slow, takes out the fun of driving what is a sports car, just buy a an auto Jag instead.
@@n2kos A bit like a F1 car then!
@@Des911 exactly an F1 car gearbox is just like Tiptronic, obviously not a fan of F1 then.
Hello Luke I have a 03 996 C4S trip with intake and headers and pipes and it goes pretty good. I have had a a manual and I live in a big city it sucks shift and shift compared to relaxing after work. Great video pal ! I also have a 993C4 cab 6sp So I can get my fix. I just bought a low milage C6 Corvette so I have the bestow both world but I do enjoy you referbs. Around Bend Oregon out
Another good video. I liked that you brought the lads in for a chat at the end. Your reasons for preferring manual to tiptronic are logical, honest and really quite straightforward. I also agree that the tiptronic is dated on an otherwise classic & timeless vehicle. One of the reasons I was attracted to your channel, is because I prefer the same spec 996 you seem to favour - 6 speed manual, coupe, non sunroof and if I could, the much rarer rear wiper delete.
Hi Mark. Thanks for your comments again. I recall you agreeing with my views in previous videos, so you are clearly a man of taste! (in my opinion, anyway...)
I had a knee injury a few years ago and I had to sell my manual car back then so i totally get if that’s the reason someone would buy an automatic. With all that said though, my knee if better now and when I get to buy a Porsche it will be a manual, exactly for the reasons you mentioned. It totally takes away from the driving experience, and you don’t feel in control as much. Awesome videos btw! Keep it up.
Another fantastic video. Absolutely impartial even though you are a manual man through and through. 👍
Thanks very much!
Totally agree with your views about auto v manual. The PDK as you say is a fantatsic gearbox and one of the best of its type as well as being quicker than an equivalent manual but I will always prefer the manual option due to the added involvement and control.
I consider myself an enthusiast and have always had manuals, including earlier Porsches, until my 997.1. I intentionally got the tip tropic for this one. A couple of reasons. I’m now in an area where I have to routinely valet park - no option with that. Also my wife, who used to drive manuals, had hip surgery - she couldn’t drive a manual now even if she needed to. Plus I leave the car and keys with my housekeeper whenever I traveled - the car is with her now. She doesn’t do manuals - the alternative was leaving the key with the doorman, which wasn’t going to happen. At least the housekeeper is careful. So this one had to be automatic. One benefit- I can now at least also loan the car to visitors without worrying about the clutch.
Thats the great thing about autos. Oddly, many people buy manuals so others can’t drive their car.
Another great video. Looking forward to you guys working on my 997 soon :-)
Hi Jamie, we look forward to hearing from you!
Great car this one and as always won’t hang about 👌🏿
Tiptronic for up to date sports cars and everyday traffic driving. Kick down is always there if you want the reheat to kick in !
I love driving manual transmission cars but I now live in Los Angeles, so Tip,Step, and DCT are all great setups.
I just bought a Tip and love it. Great since I live in London and spend 90% of my time in stop-start traffic. I did not bother considering a manual as it's a PITA and I cba with one when I just want to get to my destination.
Most of your points aren't new but the 5 speed thing is defo an issue as the manual is a 6 speed box so that is a bit odd of Porsche. I guess that was the only box available to them at the time - I understand it's actually a Merc autobox?
I say "issue", it's as much an issue as it is that I only have 3 packets of crisps in the cupboard. ;)
Beautiful. Would overlook the tiptronic given the aerokit and that marvellous colour coded centre console
Agree, Benjamin - It's a stunning looking machine
Hello Luke, ye i agree to most of your thoughts on manual etc....buut i love my Tiptronic..... you can shift and go sporty if i like and it is fast enough for me and i can go relaxed,.... relaxed and alwaise the option to jump in.... like your videos thank you much for it. Rg Bernd
Hi, thanks for your thoughts and you're very welcome for the videos!
Beautiful ❤️
I have a 2002 996 Tiptronic and I love it. If there is traffic you don't have to mess with shifting. Plus my wife likes to drive it and she wouldn't want to shift. It's not PDK but it's still great.
I had a 2011 Panamera with PDK and now a 911 tiptronic honestly PDK was the same it skewer gear shifting than my tiptronic, love it and glad I have it in toronto traffic
Very nice if it was a Targa and had a AMG paddle conversion like my 996 .2 3.6, also have the Aero kit and switchable sports exhust Perfect in my eyes evan if i am a young at Heart VOAP. Keep up the good videos.
Always look good in aero kit form and sports seats
I am a manual 911 fan boy. Admittedly never driven a tiptronic. I would have a go in one.
Having driven 996 Tip and. 997 gen 1 tip Turbo, I couldn't live with the steering wheel buttons. PDK is said to be a far better gearbox, but again the steering wheel buttons s don't work for me. The paddles on the sport wheel or retrofitted on 996 / 997 are a good way forward. I went manual in a 997.2 and in hindsight a paddle wheeled PDK would have been a better option. That car looks stunning. The 996 has aged very gracefully in the last few years
Great video, once again. Any idea how rare the X51 package is? I’ve never driven a non-X51 package 996 but my neighbor says there’s a significant torque difference and availability throughout the rev range. Any feedback/ comment on this? Always appreciate the brilliant videos.
I grew up driving the coastal mountain backroads of Northern California. I've owned and abused lots of smaller sports cars. The 4 cylinder ones absolutely needed a manual to squeeze every ounce of power and manipulation I could find, because they were underpowered for my driving style, including the 914. Later, after owning Audis and a BMW both with paddle shifters, and searching for a long time I found a very nice 996 C2 cab, which I wasn't originally interested in. But since it also had a hard top, and was in great shape, I bought it. After the BMW and Audis I didn't care which transmission it had anymore, Condition was more important to me. This car has plenty of power, and I don't miss the left foot because the paddle shifters work well, and I'm still using gears for control anyway. The only time I miss a manual is when the guy in the black Corvette sees me and revs his V8. Its all his car does, so I can live with it. When I get behind the wheel, I grin a lot, the 996 is so nice as an everyday car, very versatile. Open top is a blast and gives a ton of road connectivity. The hard top is quiet and solid. Its like having 2 cars. For me, it just works, to each their own. Owned it 5 years so far, and still smiling. The great thing about Porsche is each one can be purpose built for what ever YOU want. For that reason, this whole conjecture seems irrelevant to me.
Looking forward to buying a car from you very soon 😎🤙🏻🇬🇧
I had a turbo 997 with a tip tuned to 650 hp did 10.9 in the 1/4 I changed the fluid in the trans at 85k when I drained it I was like why am I doing this it looks like new same as the new fluid. Trans was very good yes a bit slow on the shift but very good trans !!!
Yeah brub, you're such a legend TH-camr rite mate 😢
Love my tiptronic, does exactly what I want and it can’t be over revved
I drive my tip in manual 90% of the time. In auto mode it changes up far too early as it defaults to the eco map. It would be great if it had an sport button to select the sportiest map. I can't personally stand manual cars so the tip works for me. Also you can't overev tips which is good
In 1997 I ordered a new Boxster, manual in guards red, the salesman said something about guards red one day making a comeback. When the car arrived at the dealership the dealer principal called me and said it looked so good they were ordering one, I think as a demonstrator. Colour is personal, I agree with everything you’re saying and yes I used to panic whenever I left it parked anywhere. Regarding manual vs Auto, the clutch, my height (6ft) and the angle my knee was always at to depress it caused me a lot of pain, when I sold it (back to AFN for a profit - yes really) I vowed I’d get either another Boxster or a 911 and it’d be an auto. Sales of new automatic cars are growing and some cars are only available as automatics, which supports your preference for manuals. It won’t be too long and used manuals will be as hard to find as autos have been in the past. Next time you should talk about sunroofs, personally, I won’t buy a car without one, unless it’s a convertible. I totally get rigidity and low centre of gravity, I’ve driven a few circuits but these days I just want a nice road car with as many options. Great channel and I admire your attention to detail on all the cars you sell.
Hi Ken. Well done you for being one of the few who went against the grain and ordered a Guards Red car - you clearly have good taste. Regarding the sun-roof, quite simply, I prefer the cleaner roof line of a car without. I do however appreciate why some people have a preference for a car with a sun-roof (usually people who don't live in the UK and get a little more sunshine!).
I would have never bought an auto red anything , but i now have a hip problem, and have bought a red 4 series auto,
Now i dont think i would go back to manual, now looking to sell a couple of bikes to get an auto 911,,,,,maybe even red?...
Lovin the vids guys....
Interesting video. While I wouldn't choose a Guards Red 996/7 I think its nice enough. Not concerned that it makes it flashy, wheras (sorry) I think that spoiler does - ok on a GT3 but a bit knobbish on a stock car. Just my opinion, though I like the sill covers (although Id worry they would hide deteriorating paint/ rust). The centre console is, for me, a bit in your face too, makes it look very plasticky especially as there is no other red in the cabin except the seatbelts which are a way different shade. re the tiptronic, is a bit outdated compared to PDK, have considered one but my car is manual (yes and boring arctic silver!!) - also reading round the subject there is some people who think bore scoring is worse in the tiptronic cars. Although they cant be over revved, they can easily be used to compete in the traffic light grands prix after standing getting all hot. Also if left to themselves can use low revs/ high torque which in some peoples opinion is a main cause of the bore scoring
Great video. Surely it makes business sense if customers want an automatic then you would make money? I’d prefer an automatic as it’s simply personal preference
Red and black interior beautiful, shame about the gearbox. Wouldn't say no though :-)
Either or doesn’t matter, just buy one, they’re both fun.
Ollie is correct, better no logo on the back. As soon as the kit goes on, it's no longer stock C4.
BTW, I've got a tip. It's not bad 😉.
Good video!
That was Pete's comment! He feels the lines with the aero spoiler are cleaner without the badge. Thanks for your comment
I think you are missing a trick with Tips I own and love a 99 c2 Tip fell in love with the 996 when a friend bought a 996.2 c2 manual and let me drive it new then I had to have one. I am a petrol head had performance cars all my life back in the day my daily drivers were Saab’s I had several 900 turbos including a aero then moved on to a 93 vectra I went to the garage to test drive a particular car which had sold just before I got there the salesman had the same model with Tip I wasn’t going to buy it but interested in how the 93 drive so did a test drive it was epic and I bought it my Tip gives me spirited driving in manual and mile crunching in auto best of both worlds
I've got a turbo tip with the x50 pack, had it nearly 9 years,fantastic car,never wanted a manual, the tip Is well suited to the turbo, constantly on boost through the gears,the kickdown is insane, manual with paddle shift,left foot braking,to name just a few benefits.
Totally agree Mike they just think they are bad but tip more reliable and just as much fun
Hi Luke. The red 996 is gorgeous iv'e always been a manual man my 1982 911sc was manual. But the cayenne I got at the mo is tip. And it's a nice beast.. I'd definitely have that red 996. Regards Bob Rose..
Hi there Bob, thanks for your comment. I imagine your 911sc was a lovely thing.
Hi Luke. Yes it was lovely in the end. I paid three grand for it with a blown engine. I rebuilt the engine my self and then restored the whole car. I had it 10 years. I had to sell it because of a divorce. But it went to the right guy. A German chap that works at porsche in reading . He gave me a day out at porsche experience at Silverstone. Just up the road from me.. I really wish I had not have to sell it... got lots of pictures of the build. And I even sprayed it my self..
Regards Bob
The tip gets you the best of both worlds if you live the the city. Auto changes without your left thigh growing bigger than your right and use the tip buttons (I've got mine with paddles) for manual shifting. The manual shifting is not going to be much slower than your manual gearbox shifts. All 0-62mph timing for autos are done with allowing the auto gearbox to its own devices and not recorded on manual shifts. Ok, perhaps it loses out on driver involvement but good luck when you are caught in a traffic jam.
quite a fun transmission on my 97 boxster
The Tiptronic is a Mercedes unit. The PDK is the one to go for. A manual in these days is a pain in the **** on the congested roads. All the TH-cam videos are usually shot on empty roads. Manuals are so trendy down the pub but crap to use in real life. Jaguar sold 7 V8 F-types with the manual box.
Would that perhaps demonstrate the type of driver that purchases a Jaguar... Just kidding. Thanks for your thoughts.
The merc unit wasn't in the car in this video is a ZF, the merc unit is much better but people drive an early auto 3.4 and get confused as they do not suite the 996 but the 3.6 merc tip is excellent
You'd do well to get a pdk 996
Stop putting your drinks on top of the shiny car!!!! 😂
When editing the video I knew this would be pointed out!
Great video like allways! Would you sell a r32 gtr for a 996? :D
I almost had to check the garage, thought it was mine. I do have the GT3 sticker on the back lol.
I also have Porsche racing carbon seats, really comfy. I cant say i am keen on the center console.
When we are able, we will have to give the old girl a blast and come and see you.
Hi Kevin, I hope you didn't take offence to my comments regarding the badging - everyone is entitled to their own taste!
No I didn't take offence to the comment, I'm to old and ugly to take offence lol. Love the cars and videos.
And we will come down and see you in the summer.
A Carrera 4 is good enough and the only people who know it’s not a GT3 are the ones who are impressed by a real GT3.
Nice car either way.
dang the guards red with the gt3 kit is beautiful! even better that it's a c4 :O
Agreed!
Auto with torque converter is good for creeping through traffic,not so much dual clutch or manual
On 997.1 you can reprogramm ECU of the Tip and it shifts much faster and better.
Same box as 996.2 so better than this red one
...and demand command ....i like it o;))
Would love that car
What are the tires & wheels? Love your channel & content is great.
Hi Charl. The tyres are Michelin Pilot Sports and the wheels are the original "Sport Design" alloys.
As far as the powerband, that only applies to NA cars. Not the same for the Turbo cars. The Tip works beautifully with the Mezger Turbo, believe me.
Like your observation about the gt3 logo when it isn't.
@@TrustMeIKnowEverything try watching the video and listening to Luke.
@@TrustMeIKnowEverything Listen to what Luke is saying. You may then understand what I was referring to. Have a nice day 😊
@@andrewoakley4957 I should give up mate, you can take some horses to water but you cant make them drink! I know what you meant as did 99.99% of other viewers!
@@johnwh1039 Thanks Andrew. Hew, I was simply stating I'm not keen on GT3 badges being installed on non-GT3 Porsches, generally. I wasn't stating that the particular car in the video had any GT3 badges on it. I hope this helps.
If I didn’t have a Guards Red C4S, I would definitely go for the aero kit car. I would agree that a tiptronic is not for me.
1st gear in manual cannot be matched by Tiptronic, and you can enjoy that from every full stop. While my base Carrera has ultra-boring grey interior, I rarely notice it as the drive is so engaging even 4.5 years later and many costs for maintenance. When I want mellow, half the time, I take my Jaguar XJ6 1997. Tiptronic in 2nd and 3rd gear in canyon driving is good though.
Red suits the aero kit better than silver. Didn't know the auto box was stronger.
Manual for the weekend driver, Tippy for the daily
Hello Luke, I am really enjoying your videos. Keep up the good work. I just purchased, here in Canada, a 2005 996 C2 Cabriolet with 53000kms. The car is in pristine condition, however, the IMS bearing has never been changed. Would you suggest I change it right away, if so, what IMS bearing would you install or do you use at your shop. Thanks! Pierre
This isn't FG Garage replying, just a Porsche owner, but if you watch these great videos it appears that FG change out IMS bearings pretty much as a matter of course on the cars they sell unless a recent change is documented. From my information, as a 2005 996, your car has the weakest of the 3 possible IMS bearings fitted. I do not know the best bearing so wouldn't want to try to answer that part of your question, but I believe replacements are available now that can be regarded as a permanent fix which really will put your mind at rest.
@@johnwh1039 Thank you John, I noticed on one of the videos that the IMS bearing used was from EPS and was wondering if the bearing used was one of those cylindrical bearings.
@@pierrenovak4971 I really cant comment other than to say that I know there are various solutions including a ceramic bearing and one which uses an oil feed taken, I believe, from s sandwich plate fitted beneath the oil filter. There are contact details for FG on their website, maybe best to contacy direct. John
From the description ion their website for the red 996 that is subject of this video 'The flat six mounted over the rear axle is in perfect health, with a nice smooth idle, power in abundance, an intoxicating exhaust note, and crucially, had its IMS bearing upgraded for our favoured EPS cylindrical unit just 4,000 miles / 2 years ago.'
Hi Pierre. Congrats on the purchase. We would highly recommend upgrading the IMS bearing. We upgrade the bearing to all of our sales cars and use the "EPS" cylindrical unit. I hope this helps.
I’ve also noticed you don’t do much with cabriolets. Why is that? Thanks!
As always, a pleasure to watch :)
BTW, you also rarely sell manual C2 convertibles. Is there also little demand for those 996's?
Thanks Robin! We do sell some convertibles, but pretty much only in the spring/summer time.
Convertibles arnt as nice to drive and look horrible in my opinion I'd never want one
Ever driven one?
@@Porsche9174Ever of course I have, I would never voice an opinion unless I had driven one or two! I tried a few of each before buying my tip coupe with sunroof! people hate the tip,, I'm glad because it keeps prices down for the people who actually know how to drive them ! (there is a knack to tip which you need to tune into!) people dont like sunroof 996's ( never understand this as I love mine it's fantastic on sunny days) but I do not like the 3.4 996 tip as it's difference in hp and torque does not suite the auto/tip and the early cars 3.4 zf gearbox isn't as nice as the 3.6, you wouldn't think its noticable but it is for sure the .2 is better, I don't like the floppy rattly ugly convertibles at all though, I considered a few as they are cheaper than the proper 911's but after driving them they are frankly not a sportscar and a totally different car,,, and imo ugly!!
997.1 and younger manual, 997.2 and up - PDK
As a guards red c2 manual owner. I get it. I also understand the ahole porche view by haters. Dont care, guards looks fantastic.
Yes your left hand is much freer to poke your passenger with .
I happen to like the red exterior and the interior accents except the console. A bit garish.
Do the shift buttons on both sides have up and down shift functions? So you can shift with either hand.
I thought you were going to get Ollie a coffee?
That boy is so cute he should still be crawling around on the rug in nappies. Lol
Hi Wernen. Well observed - my bad, I forgot. If you want to bring him one I'm sure he'd be appreciative! Just kidding - Thanks for watching!
@@friendsgreenporsche5234 It's Werner and I'm afraid it would be quite cold by the time I got there. Lol
@@wernerdanler2742 sorry, that was a typo! Never mind regarding the coffee - it’s the thought that counts.
996 Turbo with Triptronic isn't bad ... since almost all performance driving is in 2nd and 3rd gear.. just 2 gears from 0 up to 100mph. (1st gear isn't even used, LOL.... massive torque)
When’s it going on the website?
Hi Andy. Now live!
Decided if I end up with a 997 I would get a manual but if 991 I’d get a PDK
If I was purchasing a Porsche 911 of any model, I would want a guards red car. I am biased as a lot of my cars have been red, strangely both of my sons chose red cars.
In my opinion you have good taste, Robin!
My car is one you have sold in the past, and i have made it better👍 full windows out repaint r784sbl i think ( i have on a private plate)
Good vid where do you sell your cars please, do you have a website
Hi Rhys. Thanks. Yes the web address is at the beginning of every video. www.friendsgreenporsche.com
@@friendsgreenporsche5234 thanks
Whoa, Do something about that god awful red center console trim and seat belts. Just Tacky :(
PDK & manual have their pros and cons…PDK being my preference.
It’s unfortunate to see a 996/997.1 in a rare color combo with desirable interior options only to spot an ugly Tip. gear selector.
What if Porsche kept refining the Sport-O-Matic until they launched PDK on their street cars?
Turbo Tip ... a different calculation. That is a different conversation vs a C2/C4 and/or S.
The problem with the tiptronic for me is the useless buttons for manual mode on the steering wheel, I think the later dual clutch autos with paddles are much better because at least you have a good manual mode option
I love the steering wheel buttons, anyone who can't work them shouldn't be driving!
Very nice car how much is it :-)
Thanks! Now live on our website for £24,996.
Tiptronic pros, your gf/wife can drive it home after you’ve had too many drinks, you can eat food/drinks without any problems or difficulty. While in traffic you’re not constantly clutching ,and shifting. “Spirited drives” happen only in the first few months of ownership Driving to dinner happens far more often. Easier to sell to a larger market as anyone can drive one. Also, the market that can afford a 911 is older,not a 20’s kid, looking to drive like an arse. Enthusiasts are rare. Enthusiasts who will spend money rarer.
Hi there. Thanks for your thoughts. I particularly like your first "pro"! We have always experienced manual cars selling far better than Tiptronics.
Good video. Gen 2 Tip is better. I don't have a problem with the Tip. As cars like these and cars in general are 90% emotion and fuelled by 'talk', and emotion. All this talk of driving in 'extremis' all the time. Who does that? I drive most of the time in D but sometimes I change using the buttons. At say 50 mph behind a slower car I can change down 2 gears without moving the lever into manual mode quicker than a manual. And control the car in bends etc etc. Enthusiastic driver; first held a competition licence in 1973. OK, getting on a bit, but.......😄
Totally agree so many people here confuse the gutless 3.4 auto with the 3.6 tip which if driven back to back are worlds apart, you also need to learn how to drive a tip properly but people just don't like them as they have no idea how to drive them properly, the 3.6 tip is a brilliant combination, more power and torque than the 3.4 and better economy too a world apart and I prefer a proper auto to a computerised manual which is pdk
I have a 2002 996 Carrera 4 the tiptronic is awful I would never buy another had it serviced to see if it helped it’s too slow on changes and no comparison to a manual
I think you should remove the bit where you use the phone whilst driving, lest PC Plod likes Porsche and is watching this. Unless it was on a private road 😂
The tip will change gears faster than you can in a manual
No it wont and when you want to accelerate out of a corner you will be in a higher gear with Tip.
@@n2kos not if you use the buttons like a manual they are instant changes in manual on the. 2 merc boxes, ZF 3.4 like this car not so good which is obviously why they changed after a few years!
Yes mate would love to see theseanial lovers change gear in. 2 of a second 😂🤣
Double stamp the accelerator whilst driving to reset the tip map
@@n2kos what?
“Manual license”? Is that a thing in the UK? When we rented a car for a driving tour of England and Wales I requested and received a manual (Hyundai estate diesel haha) no questions asked.
Yes, if you pass your test in an automatic, you can't drive a manual
Jesus Christ 25k !!! thats a little more than I was thinking! Thought 15k would be alot for a mk1 996 tip, but 25!! i'm sure someone will have it! i'm off to paint mine red!! and you do realise if you put in manual mode it's a different animal and the 5 speed doesn't matter its brilliant, I love the tip, I'd love to drag race a manual to see the real difference and you manual lovers lose momentum when the clutch is dipped,, the 996.2 is a better tip box than the one you're driving, I've driven both, very different, same with rag tops vs coupe, rag tops are horrible to drive, I'd have that car though its lovely,
tiptronic is easier for left foot braking
Ew, that's gross man. Nice looking car indeed.
Costa coffee? Tasteless
Tips are great, I use my C2 tip in manual all the time and it still shift gears faster than a manual, Plus you don’t bang your left knee on the dash lifting up from the clutch. I have driven both and won’t go back to manual, the tip between 4000-7000rpm is just a dream. You can drive 0-60 in second gear and in third you keep going right upto 100. Just don’t drive it it auto dude, that’s for granny’s
Toyota automatic transmission
Simple you sell more manuals because the ego of the driver believes he/she is better than the superior Portia based computer system.
No, your butt-meter can discern difference in first gear. Once you are doing 2nd and 3rd in canyons they seem equal for fun but having the extra decisions with manual is a key element for entertainment
It’s a pretty car but tiptronic ruins it for me. No way I would ever own a tiptronic.
You'll simply maximize your available customer base by selling automatics. Unfortunately, manuals are a dying breed and fewer and fewer people know how to properly drive one. It to me is a salient business decision and is the only proven way for Porsche to stay alive.
They want the auto transmission because it’s a absolute bitch to drive a manual in traffic I know this as is have both
Scary that so many people want an auto 911, just get a Jag! 😂
Errr no, it's nothing like a jag, the 996.2 auto is brilliant in manual mode
@@Amazingfeet I was referring to Tiptronic, which is like a Jag. I’m sure pdk is faster to change.
@@n2kos Unless you have a 997.2 you won't have PDK