Honestly just one of the worst match ups for incineroar it's borderline unwinnable. They mentioned like revenge gets wasted on blocks which is already a huge L for incin. Plus, blocks make it so side b is also nerfed. Getting back to stage as incin is also scary cuz of blocks and incin can't really cheese steve. Not saying acola isn't a good player but damn the match up is just so insanely unbalanced
@@sullivanish It doesn't. It goes away when he hits the crafting table, I think, but in game one you can see skyjay wail on blocks with revenge and he keeps it.
Skyjay’s counterplay to Steve’s options just doesn’t matter when Steve is such an unbalanced character. Skyjay had an answer for just about everything except anvil, but it literally doesn’t matter
Not to discredit Acola, but agreed. Skyjay could have technically made more correct decisions and won more interactions than Acola in this match, but when Steve winning an interaction does 3 times more damage, none of it matters.
Looked more like a lot of gimmicks skyjay wasn't prepared for, kinda autopiloted into most of acola's punishes, and just better choices by acola as a player, whether sky adapts or not by next time they play is up in the air. He probably would need more time to develop counter play as acola has probably a myriad of tricks sky isn't ready for. I'm not saying steve is fair or the matchup is even but at the bottom line it's not even close to unwinnable and was more on the players here
best nerfs for steve: double the time u have to be in minecart/anvil before jumping off, no armor on minecart it just counts as steves hurtbox when he's in it, make uptilt stationary, 0 hp dirt blocks break with any hit, diamond takes twice as long to get but has more durability.
just put some endlag on mining honestly it should be like how pulling a turnip is for peach you need to win neutral and create that space first, then you can decide whether you want to press advantge state or mine resources. rn steve just mines whenever he wants for free.
@@letsmakeit110 Blocks placed in the air should have less inherent durability than blocks placed on solid ground. I know that's not how Minecraft works (at least I don't think it is), but sacrifices to accuracy must be made. I also don't know if that would make the programming even more of a nightmare, because placed blocks would have to check if a block is still below it or not, and adjust the durability value accordingly.
How about you need to have stone to mine iron, iron to mine diamond/gold etc. If you have wood, you can only mine stone and more wood. Make it more accurate to minecraft
Just gonna make a quick clear up on the commentator side but the blocks don't take revenge. The crafting table does tho so the fact that it does in general is just cringe.
Why are people hating on Steve so much for this Summit? Acola is literally using no new tech from last 2 times he was here overseas yet people are now, after having so much time to develop counterplay and adapt, complaining about getting the character banned.
Because Steve completely shits on the way the game is normally played, and disrespects entire characters. There should not be a way to just prevent someone from recovering back to the stage like that.
Steve has been hated on so much, since his release, people are only just now realising they want him gone because of the recent controversy that actually started the conversation.
Steve was the best character in the game before any of that tech was discovered. This isn't Little Mac getting to force players to fight him on the ground.
Yep Steve is the worst design character in Smash. But Acola has really good fundamentals, he is consistent other Steves aren't and think they are making a great effort.
The blocks didn’t consume revenge, it was the crafting table. So if he builds the wall on top of the the crafting table then he can’t break the wall with revenge intact
Not really, mk Leo can beat Steve but gets crushed in like 11 minutes by kazuya. They are about the same level of jank, Steve just takes the majority hit because people hated his inclusion into the game from the very beginning.
@@rhysjones1108 Remember that Leo lost specifically to Riddles' Kazuya (i.e. the best one in the world), he doesn't just automatically lose to all Kazuyas and automatically beat all Steves. The player behind the wheel does matter. And then also remember that the Skyjay that got 3- 0'd by a Steve here took the same Kazuya that 3-0'd Leo to final stock of game 5 in the final of Collision a few weeks ago. Matchups just aren't that black and white, and you can't just base that kind of thing off just one or two rounds. Kazuya has a metric ton of DLC factor don't get me wrong, but I'd say the data suggests there is a reason Riddles feels the need to run Terry/Roy secondaries to win tournaments but most Steve players just go solo.
@@pjs232 players matter a lot at top level, but kazuya is in no way any less jank than Steve. Both played at the highest level completely invalidate 99% of the cast. And the best Steve, acola, has multiple characters mainly a luigi and dk that he pulls out. Steve making him look “fair and balanced” is laughable.
Also the only 1 playing a largely banned character. To be fair he is a good player but unlike riddles Im not sure if steveless acola is relevant the same way kazuyaless riddles it. Edit: Aparently the steve ban isnt as widespread as I thought. But still banned in some events.
@@servine1212 lol Steve is not “largely banned” this game is worldwide and as far as banning Steve theres only like 7 states and a small tourney in Europe/France, Steve is good to go anywhere else.
Acola is so good at spacing against incineroar side b, only got hit by like 4 of them throughout the set while other top players get hit by it 10 times per game. He really knows the matchup, not just steve being good.
@@DrDavidRojas he achieved some great stuff with DK. He’s gonna go with Steve until he has to drop him, then dominate with another character that he’s comfortable playing.
@@DrDavidRojas bruh before maining Steve he was #1 with luigi and I think dk? He’s a good player, quit being salty. He doesn’t even use the broken tech
Acola is exceptional, but Steve has too many advantages. Having to spend revenge on blocks while he runs away from you as like the slowest character is just so shitty.
Honestly I love Skyjay and am super sad, but I do have to give it up to acola, he really avoided those Alolan whips and absolutely played the matchup correctly
If people truly want for Steve to be banned, dislike every tournament video that he is in, that will hurt their channel, and they will either ban Steve or be hurt financially for not banning the least popular character in competitive Smash history
Good in theory, but the YT algo doesn't care about likes and dislikes, it cares about engagement. And disliking *is* engaging. The best way is to not watch the match he is in at all. Completely ignore any matches Steve is in
A boy named Kenji Takada, who was playing in a nearby river, broke a biscuit in his pocket into four when he fell. He thought about eating it for a while, but it was a little muddy and he had a lot of biscuits at home, so he took the plunge and threw it into the river. The four fragments are now called Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku and Kyushu.
I mean maybe Steve is broken. Maybe. A strong maybe, but what is for sure is he is boring to watch. I just find no joy in watching steve play his game.
Skyjay is super good but his biggest flaw is that he didnt mined for ressources at all during this set
Skyjay is the people's champion
Skyjay somehow makes every matchup look possible but this one was just just to much for him
Honestly just one of the worst match ups for incineroar it's borderline unwinnable. They mentioned like revenge gets wasted on blocks which is already a huge L for incin. Plus, blocks make it so side b is also nerfed. Getting back to stage as incin is also scary cuz of blocks and incin can't really cheese steve. Not saying acola isn't a good player but damn the match up is just so insanely unbalanced
@@sullivanish It doesn't. It goes away when he hits the crafting table, I think, but in game one you can see skyjay wail on blocks with revenge and he keeps it.
Imo this one is close, he could up air the blocks at the end
last game was so close I was believing
@@placeholder3907 Nah, 7:56 plus a few other moments you can see it uses the revenge.
Skyjay’s counterplay to Steve’s options just doesn’t matter when Steve is such an unbalanced character. Skyjay had an answer for just about everything except anvil, but it literally doesn’t matter
last game was close, but bad MUs exist
@@nathanlevesque7812 Besides Cloud does Steve have any match ups where he is not winning?
Not to discredit Acola, but agreed. Skyjay could have technically made more correct decisions and won more interactions than Acola in this match, but when Steve winning an interaction does 3 times more damage, none of it matters.
This definitely looks possible for skyjay, I think with a little more matchup experience vs Acola specifically he could do it for sure!
Not neccesary, Steve is banned
@@DrDavidRojas ??? In what tournaments is Steve banned?
@@DrDavidRojas id like to know what tournaments
@@DrDavidRojas at which major
idk man...Acola was playing very sloppy this set and it still wasn't ever really close.
リベンジがあるから相性諸説かもしれないけど、プロレスラーとかでもここまでスティーブと戦えるの凄い。
No kill screens in this match
The game be like "mm not worth it"
steve killed the game so bad he broke the ko screen
3:02
世界一尊敬してるぞ、Skyjay！！
Steve and Kazuya really need to be nerfed, they both play a game of their own
But then riddles won’t be a top player anymore
@@balther10 he would with just Terry tbh. Maybe top 20 instead of top 10
The blocks just add insult to injury. There were so many jank interactions between Incin and the blocks that just ended up benefitting Steve more.
You hate to see it. Just a general tier/dlc gap.
Absolutly
Oh si cry cry kid rat juju
Didn’t stop him vs kazuya
@@Sircoochie kinda did tho
Looked more like a lot of gimmicks skyjay wasn't prepared for, kinda autopiloted into most of acola's punishes, and just better choices by acola as a player, whether sky adapts or not by next time they play is up in the air. He probably would need more time to develop counter play as acola has probably a myriad of tricks sky isn't ready for. I'm not saying steve is fair or the matchup is even but at the bottom line it's not even close to unwinnable and was more on the players here
best nerfs for steve: double the time u have to be in minecart/anvil before jumping off, no armor on minecart it just counts as steves hurtbox when he's in it, make uptilt stationary, 0 hp dirt blocks break with any hit, diamond takes twice as long to get but has more durability.
just put some endlag on mining honestly it should be like how pulling a turnip is for peach you need to win neutral and create that space first, then you can decide whether you want to press advantge state or mine resources. rn steve just mines whenever he wants for free.
@@letsmakeit110 Blocks placed in the air should have less inherent durability than blocks placed on solid ground. I know that's not how Minecraft works (at least I don't think it is), but sacrifices to accuracy must be made. I also don't know if that would make the programming even more of a nightmare, because placed blocks would have to check if a block is still below it or not, and adjust the durability value accordingly.
@@ashketchup7354 I mean, placing blocks in midair isn’t how minecraft works either but we have that.
How about you need to have stone to mine iron, iron to mine diamond/gold etc. If you have wood, you can only mine stone and more wood. Make it more accurate to minecraft
Isn't it impossible to nerf steve now? Given that there will be no more updates for ultimate
Just gonna make a quick clear up on the commentator side but the blocks don't take revenge. The crafting table does tho so the fact that it does in general is just cringe.
Really need to stop saving the "plays like no other character" DLC character for last. If this was FP1 Steve would not be this sillly
怒りを必死に抑えて、頑張って考えたユーモアを含んだ英語コメントを見るのが大好き
なぜ怒り？スティーブが嫌いの？
I swear there's no Incin in Japan but Acola played around revenge so well
Por partidas como esta me alegro de ver la grand finals de battle of BC
Why are people hating on Steve so much for this Summit? Acola is literally using no new tech from last 2 times he was here overseas yet people are now, after having so much time to develop counterplay and adapt, complaining about getting the character banned.
Because a lot of people think the character is total BS even without the new banned tech.
Because Steve completely shits on the way the game is normally played, and disrespects entire characters. There should not be a way to just prevent someone from recovering back to the stage like that.
Steve has been hated before the tech
Steve has been hated on so much, since his release, people are only just now realising they want him gone because of the recent controversy that actually started the conversation.
Steve was the best character in the game before any of that tech was discovered. This isn't Little Mac getting to force players to fight him on the ground.
Song name from game 2 and 3? please
3:16
結果だけ見れば3-0だけどなんかガオガエン意外とやるやんって思えた
最後の枠がskyjayで良かった！
If you ever feel bad or carried by your character just remember that Steve literally exists. Even aegis is honest compared to Steve
Thank you lol. So true though Steve is ruining this game tbh
Yep Steve is the worst design character in Smash. But Acola has really good fundamentals, he is consistent other Steves aren't and think they are making a great effort.
Acola is arguably the best player in the world right now. I don’t like Steve but it’s insane to me how much people discredit the kid
still would rather play against steve than aegis that char is far from honest
@@mercurysnake274 Lmao I needed that good joke
I thought Steve was banned 🤦🏻♂️
The blocks didn’t consume revenge, it was the crafting table.
So if he builds the wall on top of the the crafting table then he can’t break the wall with revenge intact
Very possible very winnable yes yes
Skyjay lost this one. He kept getting hit by anvil. It was always the same situation. He had an answer for minecart but nothing for the anvil
Steve is just too busted. He makes Kazuya look fair and balanced
After the Riddles vs Leo set, I'm gonna have to dispute this statement
@@kimjongchrist8943 nah he outplayed tf out of him
Not really, mk Leo can beat Steve but gets crushed in like 11 minutes by kazuya. They are about the same level of jank, Steve just takes the majority hit because people hated his inclusion into the game from the very beginning.
@@rhysjones1108 Remember that Leo lost specifically to Riddles' Kazuya (i.e. the best one in the world), he doesn't just automatically lose to all Kazuyas and automatically beat all Steves. The player behind the wheel does matter. And then also remember that the Skyjay that got 3- 0'd by a Steve here took the same Kazuya that 3-0'd Leo to final stock of game 5 in the final of Collision a few weeks ago. Matchups just aren't that black and white, and you can't just base that kind of thing off just one or two rounds.
Kazuya has a metric ton of DLC factor don't get me wrong, but I'd say the data suggests there is a reason Riddles feels the need to run Terry/Roy secondaries to win tournaments but most Steve players just go solo.
@@pjs232 players matter a lot at top level, but kazuya is in no way any less jank than Steve. Both played at the highest level completely invalidate 99% of the cast. And the best Steve, acola, has multiple characters mainly a luigi and dk that he pulls out. Steve making him look “fair and balanced” is laughable.
あcolaいいぞ〜
応援してるから優勝してくれ〜🎉
スティーブ楽しいよね
流石としか言えない。優勝期待してます！
あこーら強すぎや
I thought steve was banned
Skyjay is the cream of the crop lol
つよ
Wait so Steve isn’t banned?
He’s only banned in some tourneys
Dumb question noob
Unfortunately not in this tourney
Nah cuz they wanted Acola to show up.
Lol only a couple states banned him and mostly at a lower level. Doubt Steve is getting banned from A or S tier tourneys.
Is it just me or acola wasn't taking this set seriously at all? Like he never seemed scared.
Acola is the only top 3 seed with a winning record. This’ll be a fun tournament
Also the only 1 playing a largely banned character. To be fair he is a good player but unlike riddles Im not sure if steveless acola is relevant the same way kazuyaless riddles it.
Edit: Aparently the steve ban isnt as widespread as I thought. But still banned in some events.
@@servine1212 lol Steve is not “largely banned” this game is worldwide and as far as banning Steve theres only like 7 states and a small tourney in Europe/France, Steve is good to go anywhere else.
@@servine1212 acola’s kazuya is good
@@servine1212 I’m sure if he had to main a different character he’d still be one of the best
@@servine1212 Acola was the #1 player on Japanese ladder with Luigi, and has like 5 other characters
安定感やばすぎる
7:45 ガチの無料金床
Acola is so good at spacing against incineroar side b, only got hit by like 4 of them throughout the set while other top players get hit by it 10 times per game. He really knows the matchup, not just steve being good.
Then he can pick another not banned char and be top Player, great.
@@DrDavidRojas he achieved some great stuff with DK. He’s gonna go with Steve until he has to drop him, then dominate with another character that he’s comfortable playing.
@@DrDavidRojassteve isn’t banned you clown
@@DrDavidRojas bruh before maining Steve he was #1 with luigi and I think dk? He’s a good player, quit being salty. He doesn’t even use the broken tech
@@DrDavidRojas Steve isn’t easy to play with you cant just pick him up and start kickin butt
Acola is exceptional, but Steve has too many advantages. Having to spend revenge on blocks while he runs away from you as like the slowest character is just so shitty.
Steve is no doubt the best character in the game...but Incinoroar is also a particularly bad matchup.
Should’ve revenged more honestly, looked a little nervous
Honestly I love Skyjay and am super sad, but I do have to give it up to acola, he really avoided those Alolan whips and absolutely played the matchup correctly
steve is gonna kill competitive smash
Skyjay literally played the match up correctly it’s just Steve wins that bad that he was still struggling. Acola did play pretty good tho
あcolaがミュートにリベンジ出来ればかなり優勝ありそうなトナメになったね
アコーラがんばれ！
Who let him play Steve
Acola is so carried, he is nothing without Steve
Light is so carried, he is nothing without fox🤦♀️
Twitterを事務所に管理されてから堂々と徹底できてる
いいことだよ
Steve gotta go
Too many babies in this comment section. Skyjay is choosing to not have a secondary. That’s just fault .
If people truly want for Steve to be banned, dislike every tournament video that he is in, that will hurt their channel, and they will either ban Steve or be hurt financially for not banning the least popular character in competitive Smash history
Good in theory, but the YT algo doesn't care about likes and dislikes, it cares about engagement.
And disliking *is* engaging.
The best way is to not watch the match he is in at all. Completely ignore any matches Steve is in
Free
Dont lose hope leo spargo are also 1-2
Comments are huffing MAD Copium rn
this is truly a mickey mouse game as long as steve is unbanned
It will always be a Mickey Mouse game, it's a party game for children
このまま優勝まっしぐらだー！
破壊と創造の力でラストsummitをぶっちぎれ👍
Lost 2 stocks to steves busted mechanic, acola is nuts but i cant wait til more tourneys ban this busted character.
ふみ空下うめ😊
正直あこーらさんが武器を持たない下位キャラに負ける未来が見えない
あcolaがんばれ💪
8:08 Steve is so lame man
同じ日本人であるあcola応援するのはわかるけど、ステのキャラ批判は許さない謎勢力なんなんだ。
同じこと思った
スティーブって資材の関係でできること絞られたり、できること増やす為にずっと掘ってたりとかになっちゃうけど、それって相手側がちゃんと対策してきてるからなんじゃないかなって思う
あと弱コンボはずらせば抜けるし、抜けれなくて5〜70で済むなら50くらいでも殺してくるメタよりコンボ面ではまし
メタナイトは結構ずらしても上手い人は決めてくるよ
jyo1さんとかあばだんごさんとか
あと最後の乙って何？
@かこ 残念ながらメタの方が上
@かこ 全体的に友人に教えてもらいながらやってるから、大会も勧められたものしか見ないし用語も一部テクニックの名前しかわかんない。プレイヤーも教えてもらった人しか知らない。動画を見るのはマリカメインの配信者でメタ使いの方と、最近カズヤ練習してるからてぃーさんくらいだな
けど割と自信ありますよ、VIPのよくわかん階級の話もされたし
@@旋風機-q4z メタより撃墜拒否も着地も復帰も待ち含めた立ち回りも上なのに、50近いコンボをコンスタントに出せる上にダイヤ横スマなんかで即死コンと似たような現象起こせる。正味比べもんになんないからメタとステを並べて話すのはナンセンス。
STEEEVE
I thought Steve was banned
STEEEVE!
Wasn't Steve banned?
No
That hurt
A boy named Kenji Takada, who was playing in a nearby river, broke a biscuit in his pocket into four when he fell. He thought about eating it for a while, but it was a little muddy and he had a lot of biscuits at home, so he took the plunge and threw it into the river. The four fragments are now called Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku and Kyushu.
投げ連をシステム的に出来なくしても、下投げから84%取れるキャラが居たら意味ねーって思いませんか？w
投げ連→くらってる側何も出来ない
スティーブ→くらってる側ずらしができる
で全然話が違います
JUST SDIというミームがforのベヨの頃からありましてね…どういう意味でその後どうなったかは言うまでもありませんね😽
Nerf Steve
あこーらはルールに違反してる訳じゃない。ルールの中で勝ってる！あcola無双キモチェーw
清々しい！
Steve Baneo
Acola is CARRIED. Steve and Kazuya? What a joke
Keep huffing copium bro, you’re just mad acola is goated. 🤪
Carried af
Lol the entire sets everyone’s comments were dripping with disdain for Steve.
Respect for Acola. Dude is awesome.
Glad this character is getting banned tbh
I mean maybe Steve is broken. Maybe. A strong maybe, but what is for sure is he is boring to watch. I just find no joy in watching steve play his game.
Say whatever you want about Steve but Acola is sick
Sick with lameasfuckitis
I'll be happy when we can see more of what he is capable of with non-busted characters.
@@ashketchup7354he beat Kome with DK, that’s all you need
Hiding behind blocks to camp, so sick.
Yeah bro waiting for Incin to approach then hitting him with a frame 6 option for a 0-death is so hype
I can't wait for this character to get banned
現実での鬱憤をスティーブに対する批判で晴らそうとする人生うまくいってない皆さん（笑）
ほんと情けない人間だよな~。脳みそ足りてないんだと思うよ
100歩譲ってステ批判なら
まだしも、
あcola自体批判してる奴は
マジでキ◯ガイ
自己紹介サンクス
@@抹茶オレ-c7m 文盲も見てます
@にゃんこa ステ批判で頭いっぱいの糖質なんて何言われても面白く感じないだろ
It happened.
Skyjay movement is gorgeous
Steve is the most boring character to watch. I'm glad he'll be banned.
This whole character is jank.
Yikes.
#steveisbroken
高評価すくなwww
@@mkleo8288 キャラがね･･･wどうせこっちが勝つんだろうってなると見ないんだろうね
あ
BAN STEVE!
Aボタン長押しするだけで50〜70パーくらい入るの見るとマジでつまらんな
ブロックは非常に面倒です
スティーブがつまらないのは常識だよ。ガオガエン観にきたけど、思ってたよりクソ試合だったわ。
This match up just isn’t fair for incineroar. Steve’s damage output is stupid
これを楽しめないとは！
俺は一方的にボコしてるの見るの楽しいぞ！
蹂躙してメンタルブレイクした相手の顔を見るのが楽しみだ！
@@keito5275 逆張りきつ
スティーブ信者は信者同士で仲良くしてろよ
banned!
steve is really boring to watch ...
Skyjay doesnt use neutral b enough like if u agree
You're getting no likes
@@lmao2302 look again fool
@@youngsosa9491 own that fraud
I hate Steve in smash
Acola so lame bruh
誰が使っても強い(笑)キャラクターを使わないプロゲーマーの皆さん(笑)
ヘイト買うし思ったより勝てないし、そもそも操作難度高すぎるからその辺のプロは触らない方がいい
HIKARUミーヤーでダメならもう無理や、残された希望はただ一つ
"Abadango Steve"
@@名無し-q5y カズヤステは
妊娠出来なくなるから
使わない定期
@@ルドちゃん 妊娠できなくなるのはカズヤのみ
あばだんごスティーブはへろーに負けから封印してるだけなんだよね
猫のお願い横Bぜんぶよけてる😋
全部当たってたSparg0がおかしいねん
WHEN THEY SMILE THEY CANT SEE
tf?