Idk if this has already been said but I love how when Jimothy says a sentence that has the subject of that sentence as the first word, he will pause after saying it for dramatic effect in the introduction.
something i never fully appreciated until watching this is just how well zapdos has aged. it was elite in gens 2 and 3 and it's an ou staple in gens 1, 4, 6, 7 and 8. it only dropped gen 5 thanks to thunderus-t being so ridiculous on rain, and it would still be ou in gen 9 if it weren't for gholdengo and the defog cut, but it's still viable in those tiers. on top being viable in every single gen it pulled that off with reasonable stats, a good typing, solid moves and ok abilities, there's nothing crazy or broken it's just zapdos. all the other gen 1 mons have either always been garbage (it's muk monday), peaked early and are zu now (tauros' tragedy) or they've recieved crazy buffs like dragonite and clefable also i'll never stop ranting about defensive gyarados and dragonite sets in gen 3. gyarados can run bulky attack sets with t-wave/taunt 3 attacks which is a great general check and more consistent offensively than dragon dance in my experience, it can also run rest pretty well if you have aroma support which makes it a reliable wall to swampert, metagross and fighting types. dragonite's real niche imo is its access to heal bell, on stall teams it's an alternative to articuno as a rest talker to provide heal bell support and personally i much prefer dragon/flying to ice/flying, i run full hp and defence and it can stonewall defensive pert/starmie, any fighting type other than banded medi clicking slide, and just about anything without an ice move you can switch into temporarily to get off a heal bell. these defensive sets aren't as spammable as mainstream stuff but they're really good on the right team
What makes this even funnier is that the instant Zapdos dropped to UU in Gen 5 it became a unanimous Top 5 Pokémon in the tier, arguably even higher depending on who you ask
@@bdt2002gaming it's also 9th in usage in the extremely bloated gen 9 uu metagame, zapdos just refuses to die. if gamefreak undoes their latest f*ckup and gives it defog again it'll probably be ou in gen 10 since it matches up well into gholdengo
yeah, I agree, should’ve been like 33% for quad weak mons, still a good chunk of health but not so much you can’t switch in on a resisted hit or something similar. Luckily boots exist now, I just slap those mfs on basically anybody rock weak.
@@natebrazill4299 Some Great Tusk sets even use Booties, a quad RESIST. That's how powerful rocks are. EDIT: Also spike power Just hazards in general lmao
@@christopherkerr3371 Nah invalidating so many pokemon with a single move is just stupid. Stealth Rock was absolutely broken prior to HBD, which took 4 whole generations.
@@usernametaken017 Players saw the value in it's damage output. Able to hit most of the tier for good damage. Also NU lost Talonflame so it's value as an fast offensive flyer rose.
Charizard is indeed rough in Gen 1 OU, but Gambler Keegan has a Charizard team that has broken 1500 on the OU ladder. I always recommend people check out his youtube videos. Dude is a master of the Gen 1 OU meta, and good at proving that it isn't quite as "solved" as some RBY TH-camrs are so desperate to make people believe
My favorite type is Grass. A lot of my favorite pokes are grass types so I was happy to see Jumpluff make the cut. I know it's a mid tier type competitively but I just like how grass types tend to be designed.
Considering how dominant Flying types were in Gen 3 with the Superman teams, Stealth Rock was pretty much needed to keep them grounded. And besides, even nowadays Spikes tend to be the bigger issue, but people that aren't familiar/skilled with Competitive Pokemon tend to think Stealth Rocks are more dangerous, ignoring how powerful Spike stacking teams tend to be throughout the generations.
Not Jimothy changing the thumbnail from "We're above the competition" to "we're fly" because he already used the "above the competition" joke in the video.
In Gen 2 Ho-Oh will uses flamethrower over scared fire just because of gen 2 longer games so you want more PP (flamethrower has 24pp and scared fire has 8pp) so you really want uses scared fire because you will run out of PP really fast
I wonder how furret feels about the common normal-flying types that often populate the early routes in which they abide... if only there was some way to ask them
Several different sources and hints we’ve gotten indicate that Flying was originally going to be what the since-scrapped “Bird-Type” was in Gens 1 and 2, a Type only available on glitch Pokémon in the former and presumably nowhere in the latter. It would be until later in development of Gen 1 where Flying-Types that weren’t birds were created, which may also explain why Flying was always the Pokémon’s “secondary” Type all the way until Gen 5. The idea here is that prior to the Bird-Type being scrapped, Pokémon like Charizard and Dragonite may have been single types like their pre-evolutions.
@@bdt2002gaming I personally would very much prefer flying-types to be only bird-like and wind-using pokémon -like Tornadus-, while giving the rest the inherent benefit of being inmune to ground-type moves and grounded traps, but I guess it may be too complex for Pokémon. That would also "save" a plethore of bug-flying type pokémon, poor little things xD And Charizard would indeed be grateful of not NEEDING to wear damn boots all the time, ahaha. Oh, and my idea would also eliminate the need to give "levitate" to certain floating pokémon, allowing them to have other abilities in their place. But no, Gengar shall not float again :P
It's very important to note that at 8:47, Mr Jimothy stated that "[Dodrio] has big Pecks", which should be distinguished from the ability Big Pecks utilised by well-known extravagant aviator, Unfezant. Dodrio does not get Big Pecks, unfortunately; they are instead gifted with an incredible running speed courtesy of their ability Run Away, capable of feats of speed so awe-inspiring that even their more successful peers such as Zapdos would attempt to copy this speed and running style many years later. Very impressive and praiseworthy performance from Dodrio, who even now strives to be the best they can be, against all odds.
except for poison (in every gen past 1), and fire, and fairy (technically immune to dragon if we dont count that but whatever), and steel, and dark (technically immune to psychic if we dont count that but whatever)
I think rocks should have just dealt 12.5 percent to everything that floats instead of rock damage. It would be a way to wear down levitate and flying mons without making certain type combos completely useless due to starting at 50%
Ok the gen 1 moltress part is missinformed first of all snorlax is not comming into moltress to wall it as it has average special unlike in gen 2 so an fire blast is an guaranteed 3hko and burning an chansy can be as much of an hindrance as an advantage if not even more as burn is only 6% and there is no other passive damage + sleep and freez are much stronger in gen 1 do you want those status conditions the most on chansy but if you can’t get them para is often the second best choice the only real advantage the burn gives moltress is the possibility to try to fire spin chansy to death
I am genuinely quite sad to see the end of this series. It's a real comfort for me, and I hope I can experience some more excellent long-form Jimothy Cool content soon.
I experimented with gen3 heal bell dragonite. With defense investment it can actually be a really effective bulky mixed attacker. Slap on brick break, hp fly, and blizzard ( if -spa) or ice beam (if -spd). Inner focus actually comes into play by allowing you to KO dd tar and salamence through rock slide
Flying Types in every generation in a nutshell: Gen 1: Effectively just the Bird-Type Gen 2: Zapdos… just Zapdos Gen 3: Me when Skarmory Spikes: Gen 4: What rocks do to a mf Gen 5: The Genies of Healthy Meta Gen 6: Gale Wings go brrr Gen 7: Literally everything gets Defog Gen 8: *clicks Max Airstream* Gen 9: Where’d our utility moves go?
If only Delibird had some of the offensive stats of Iron Bundle and was partial water type instead of ice it could’ve held a niche as the only flying type with hazard removal pre gen 6.
Here’s a question for the public: what would you guys say is the best OU type in every generation? Flying makes an argument for Gen 3, but what about the others?
@@jazzercise300 For me, here’s what I would say: Gen 1: Psychic Gen 2: Ground Gen 3: Flying Gen 4: Steel Gen 5: Psychic Gen 6: Okay honestly I have no idea Gen 7: Fairy Gen 8: Steel Gen 9: Dark, but it used to be Ground
Maybe stealth rock would have been better as the low risk, low reward version of spikes. Instead of putting down 3 layers that progressively do more damage (1/8, 1/6, 1/4), just have one layer that does 1/6 to everyone. The type weakness factor is just dumb imo.
It was kind of insane when GameFreak realized they could make flying types that weren't also normal types.
Or bug types
There have been non-flying bugs since day 1.
Beedrill and all.
@@themister.s-1st I think they were more so referring to the sheer amount of Bug-Flying types GameFreak has made over the years
When the best Normal/Flying type is Dragonite
> looks at the bird trio, dragonite, charizard, gyarados, aerodactyl, golbat
So.... gen 1?
Days since Groodon: 0
Flying types on their way to become top tier despite having no good flying type moves:
HP flying 🤡
You're saying that when Wing Attack is literally right there.
*Hello, I'm something of a THOUSAND ARROWS myself!*
@@nuclearpzn 💀💀
Dang, this series flew by! I enjoyed it, peak podcast-style content
Wait we've done all the types now?
Beak content
It's Flying type Fraturday folks
This was posted on Friday you numbskull (in Australia 🇦🇺)
His account starts with “Fake”, implying he may be “Fake Gameplay”.
Terrifyingly, he may be his own biggest rival
I’m glad my boy Toucannon has been an almost undefeatable top-tier threat since his introduction 😊
Dodrio has got to be one of the coolest flying Pokémon to ever exist.
Hes insane w/ focus sash . Swords Dance, Flail, High Jump Kick, & Drill peck.
Correct opinion
No
I've always had a soft spot for Dodrio. Very underrated Pokemon
Dodrio evolution where he has 5 heads
I can't believe Jim forgot to talk about Kingambit in the in the Flying Type video
It was able to fly by spinning its cartoonishly evil large mustache, and this was so powerful that it was banned and thus not featured.
Flying types also have the big benefits of being one of the naturally faster typings but can't be slowed by sticky web like electric types.
Idk if this has already been said but I love how when Jimothy says a sentence that has the subject of that sentence as the first word, he will pause after saying it for dramatic effect in the introduction.
something i never fully appreciated until watching this is just how well zapdos has aged. it was elite in gens 2 and 3 and it's an ou staple in gens 1, 4, 6, 7 and 8. it only dropped gen 5 thanks to thunderus-t being so ridiculous on rain, and it would still be ou in gen 9 if it weren't for gholdengo and the defog cut, but it's still viable in those tiers. on top being viable in every single gen it pulled that off with reasonable stats, a good typing, solid moves and ok abilities, there's nothing crazy or broken it's just zapdos. all the other gen 1 mons have either always been garbage (it's muk monday), peaked early and are zu now (tauros' tragedy) or they've recieved crazy buffs like dragonite and clefable
also i'll never stop ranting about defensive gyarados and dragonite sets in gen 3. gyarados can run bulky attack sets with t-wave/taunt 3 attacks which is a great general check and more consistent offensively than dragon dance in my experience, it can also run rest pretty well if you have aroma support which makes it a reliable wall to swampert, metagross and fighting types. dragonite's real niche imo is its access to heal bell, on stall teams it's an alternative to articuno as a rest talker to provide heal bell support and personally i much prefer dragon/flying to ice/flying, i run full hp and defence and it can stonewall defensive pert/starmie, any fighting type other than banded medi clicking slide, and just about anything without an ice move you can switch into temporarily to get off a heal bell. these defensive sets aren't as spammable as mainstream stuff but they're really good on the right team
I will be seeing Zapdos' back sprite every day for the rest of my life.
What makes this even funnier is that the instant Zapdos dropped to UU in Gen 5 it became a unanimous Top 5 Pokémon in the tier, arguably even higher depending on who you ask
@@bdt2002gaming it's also 9th in usage in the extremely bloated gen 9 uu metagame, zapdos just refuses to die. if gamefreak undoes their latest f*ckup and gives it defog again it'll probably be ou in gen 10 since it matches up well into gholdengo
I get that stealth rock is important for punishing flying types, but 50% for quad weak mons is a little too much for my eyes.
yeah, I agree, should’ve been like 33% for quad weak mons, still a good chunk of health but not so much you can’t switch in on a resisted hit or something similar. Luckily boots exist now, I just slap those mfs on basically anybody rock weak.
@@natebrazill429925% seemed fine
@@natebrazill4299 Some Great Tusk sets even use Booties, a quad RESIST. That's how powerful rocks are.
EDIT:
Also spike power
Just hazards in general lmao
The powerful Pokémon Skiploom is also a flying type. She makes every Monday better.
Wrong. Skiploom only shows up on Sundays.
Flying is one of the most consistently good types in competitive Pokemon.
Particularly before generation four
Particularly before generation 4.
This was an elite type, a blessing for any pokemon that had it
Flying has the incredibly valuable immunity to ground.
Flying has the incredible valuable immunity to ground
Dodrio has three whole heads, that must mean it's very clever.
The 4x weakness to stealth rock should have never been a thing
Game breaking decision. It could have gone up to 25% like spikes
We’ve found Moltres’ burner
@astromigui yeah stacking stealth Rock just like spikes is a great idea
@@christopherkerr3371 Nah invalidating so many pokemon with a single move is just stupid. Stealth Rock was absolutely broken prior to HBD, which took 4 whole generations.
@@MrPatrickbuit HBD? Heavy Booty Dutes?
flying type muk woud be muktacular
Agreed, MukManiac
Flying-type Mewtwo would be Mewtacular.
It’s been a hell of a journey folks
No Staraptor mention is criminal. UUBL soldier
Agreed 100%
Unti gen 9, where it's PU now
@@usernametaken017 NU now it rose.
@@dimentdash what did it do
@@usernametaken017 Players saw the value in it's damage output. Able to hit most of the tier for good damage. Also NU lost Talonflame so it's value as an fast offensive flyer rose.
Charizard is indeed rough in Gen 1 OU, but Gambler Keegan has a Charizard team that has broken 1500 on the OU ladder. I always recommend people check out his youtube videos. Dude is a master of the Gen 1 OU meta, and good at proving that it isn't quite as "solved" as some RBY TH-camrs are so desperate to make people believe
Great close to the series Jim. Im a water type enjoyer myself.
My favorite type is Grass. A lot of my favorite pokes are grass types so I was happy to see Jumpluff make the cut. I know it's a mid tier type competitively but I just like how grass types tend to be designed.
Considering how dominant Flying types were in Gen 3 with the Superman teams, Stealth Rock was pretty much needed to keep them grounded.
And besides, even nowadays Spikes tend to be the bigger issue, but people that aren't familiar/skilled with Competitive Pokemon tend to think Stealth Rocks are more dangerous, ignoring how powerful Spike stacking teams tend to be throughout the generations.
3:20 - Blizzard, fire blast and solar beam are all 120 bp in gen 1.
Why flying is everything: The tornadus theorum
I'll miss this series. It was insane.
Why are flying Pokémon immune to sticky web? The purpose of webs is literally to catch flies
Because it's a web on the floor?
My favorite flying type is Noivern, he's great at parties
Folks don't forget to like the video to expedite the news of Typhlosion's treachery
Flying has the incredibly valuable immunity to ground.
I can't wait for Typhlosion Thursday to see what happens.
Please do a competitive history of a generation
Not Jimothy changing the thumbnail from "We're above the competition" to "we're fly" because he already used the "above the competition" joke in the video.
Bird type in competitive Pokémon when?
In Gen 2 Ho-Oh will uses flamethrower over scared fire just because of gen 2 longer games so you want more PP (flamethrower has 24pp and scared fire has 8pp) so you really want uses scared fire because you will run out of PP really fast
These flying types are some lovely fellows who all work incredibly hard and we thank them for that.
I wonder how furret feels about the common normal-flying types that often populate the early routes in which they abide... if only there was some way to ask them
Flying has never felt like a real type to me because of the sparse primary flying type pokemon and only 3 pure flying types
Several different sources and hints we’ve gotten indicate that Flying was originally going to be what the since-scrapped “Bird-Type” was in Gens 1 and 2, a Type only available on glitch Pokémon in the former and presumably nowhere in the latter. It would be until later in development of Gen 1 where Flying-Types that weren’t birds were created, which may also explain why Flying was always the Pokémon’s “secondary” Type all the way until Gen 5. The idea here is that prior to the Bird-Type being scrapped, Pokémon like Charizard and Dragonite may have been single types like their pre-evolutions.
@@bdt2002gaming I personally would very much prefer flying-types to be only bird-like and wind-using pokémon -like Tornadus-, while giving the rest the inherent benefit of being inmune to ground-type moves and grounded traps, but I guess it may be too complex for Pokémon. That would also "save" a plethore of bug-flying type pokémon, poor little things xD And Charizard would indeed be grateful of not NEEDING to wear damn boots all the time, ahaha. Oh, and my idea would also eliminate the need to give "levitate" to certain floating pokémon, allowing them to have other abilities in their place. But no, Gengar shall not float again :P
its incredible hoe good flying was despite movst flying mons having no good flying moves.
Favorite Flying type may be Skarmory. It's smug expression in Gen 3 seems to say it soars above it all as an invincible diamond.
It's very important to note that at 8:47, Mr Jimothy stated that "[Dodrio] has big Pecks", which should be distinguished from the ability Big Pecks utilised by well-known extravagant aviator, Unfezant. Dodrio does not get Big Pecks, unfortunately; they are instead gifted with an incredible running speed courtesy of their ability Run Away, capable of feats of speed so awe-inspiring that even their more successful peers such as Zapdos would attempt to copy this speed and running style many years later. Very impressive and praiseworthy performance from Dodrio, who even now strives to be the best they can be, against all odds.
Flying is the only type that resists all the same types it’s super-effective against.
Poison does too
@@mr.sniffly5297poison is weak to bug which it is also super effective vs in gen 1
@@mr.sniffly5297Poison isn't super-effective against bug.
except for poison (in every gen past 1), and fire, and fairy (technically immune to dragon if we dont count that but whatever), and steel, and dark (technically immune to psychic if we dont count that but whatever)
Pedantic answer I know, but Normal also resists every type it's super effective against
Gen 9: every pokemon can be a flying pokemon, please cover every one in the dex, will wait for the 8 hour video, thanks!
I think rocks should have just dealt 12.5 percent to everything that floats instead of rock damage. It would be a way to wear down levitate and flying mons without making certain type combos completely useless due to starting at 50%
Flying is one of the most consistently good types in competitive Pokémon
Flying is consistently my favorite type in Pokemon.
Ok the gen 1 moltress part is missinformed first of all snorlax is not comming into moltress to wall it as it has average special unlike in gen 2 so an fire blast is an guaranteed 3hko and burning an chansy can be as much of an hindrance as an advantage if not even more as burn is only 6% and there is no other passive damage + sleep and freez are much stronger in gen 1 do you want those status conditions the most on chansy but if you can’t get them para is often the second best choice the only real advantage the burn gives moltress is the possibility to try to fire spin chansy to death
Favorite Flying type is Corviknight
Favorite Type is Fire
Flying types getting roost is a game changer. Giving reliable recovery to a whole type is pretty op
I am genuinely quite sad to see the end of this series. It's a real comfort for me, and I hope I can experience some more excellent long-form Jimothy Cool content soon.
This is insane
i agree
All the types have been covered, folks this is insane and also best flying type is Tera flying kingambit
I’m happy you had new movesets for older generations
Love this series. My favorite gens are 3, 6, and 7. Gen 2 is fun to listen about because of nostalgia but not fun to play lol
My favourite type is Steel, though I also really like Fighting and Psychic.
These have been wonderful to listen to, I will miss them for sure.
I experimented with gen3 heal bell dragonite. With defense investment it can actually be a really effective bulky mixed attacker. Slap on brick break, hp fly, and blizzard ( if -spa) or ice beam (if -spd). Inner focus actually comes into play by allowing you to KO dd tar and salamence through rock slide
How different do you think the Gen 3 meta would be if Arena Trap was banned?
Gen 4 OU leads were all about that stealth rock
Random idea but why can’t baton pass be a move as long as there’s no sub/set up moves it would make games have more depth
i really like minior, he pops open like a piñata or perhaps a fortune cookie to become an even more extreme acrobatics abuser than hawlucha
My favorite type is definitely ground
I'm a fan of Noivern, actually. It's got a combination of interesting features mechanically, and a design I am fond of.
Flying Types in every generation in a nutshell:
Gen 1: Effectively just the Bird-Type
Gen 2: Zapdos… just Zapdos
Gen 3: Me when Skarmory Spikes:
Gen 4: What rocks do to a mf
Gen 5: The Genies of Healthy Meta
Gen 6: Gale Wings go brrr
Gen 7: Literally everything gets Defog
Gen 8: *clicks Max Airstream*
Gen 9: Where’d our utility moves go?
insert comment with transcript of video here
"flying has always been a dream of mankind"
I’m not like begging, I’m just glad to be here in the first minute
If only Delibird had some of the offensive stats of Iron Bundle and was partial water type instead of ice it could’ve held a niche as the only flying type with hazard removal pre gen 6.
Can someone explain the hatred for iron jugulus?
Jim is pretty fly for a white guy.
I will not tolerate the electrode slander
Having a Flying type on your team is almost as good as having chople berry on Tyranitar
Jim! What’s your plan for the weekend?!
I’m upset that Staraptor, one one the best normal flying mons out there, has no representation in this video. Was the first good one too.
An insane video
glaring lack of rotom fan, hes doing his best
Here’s a question for the public: what would you guys say is the best OU type in every generation? Flying makes an argument for Gen 3, but what about the others?
1. Normal
2. Electric??
3. Flying
4. Dragon
5. Dragon
Beyond that idk. Gen 9 I wanna say dark.
@@jazzercise300 For me, here’s what I would say:
Gen 1: Psychic
Gen 2: Ground
Gen 3: Flying
Gen 4: Steel
Gen 5: Psychic
Gen 6: Okay honestly I have no idea
Gen 7: Fairy
Gen 8: Steel
Gen 9: Dark, but it used to be Ground
Maybe stealth rock would have been better as the low risk, low reward version of spikes. Instead of putting down 3 layers that progressively do more damage (1/8, 1/6, 1/4), just have one layer that does 1/6 to everyone. The type weakness factor is just dumb imo.
WE'RE FLY AHHHH
Iron jugulis is certainly a pokemon
are any flying types eligible for the horse council
they soar
Dodrio would be great if it had a consistent ability
Humble Chatot is my favorite flying type
Nasty plot boomburst
4:25 what is this song please
thats Mario Wonder Overworld.
An Iron Jugilis sniper in Fortnite surely would fit into the style ngl
0:19 stinky web
He quick question: if sheer force user U-Turns, does it still switch?
It does switch, also volt switch isn't affected/boosted by sheer force
@@JuliaCCCP i see. Isnt that kinda "wrong" though?
Where's the Hidden power tier list
Iron Jugulis the goat
What about Ninjask
Steel type is my favourite
You said Zapdos uses Drill Peck on Blissey… in Gen 1. You meant Chansey!
Super fly
I used to hate the way you said thay one legendaries name, but honeslty i think it groudon me
Ooohh maaaan
My favourite type in the game is Ice... GF pls buff Ice :(
im going to miss this series. my favorite flying type is articuno (also my second favorite pokemon overall) and my fav type in general is ice
Jim you comical duck! Blissey doesn't exist in Gen 1!
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