Thanks for checking out this video! Here are some of the videos I've done on the judgment of God -Why is God's judgment so severe? th-cam.com/video/byMqiGA4bVg/w-d-xo.html -Why did God have Isreal wipe out the Canaanites? th-cam.com/video/RfNtwUb4H0g/w-d-xo.html And here's an oldie for ya, just for kicks and giggles - th-cam.com/video/4pZ3ohFU3bc/w-d-xo.html You guys rock! It's been fun building out this channel and seeing it grow 😀
The worst thing a person can do is try to justify a criminal who was caught red-handed. How could a loving God who loves peace do this and say it in his Bible with all confidence and pride??? This explains why there is a new testemnt Because he realized that humanity was civilizing and that he had done wrong. He realized that man would not worships him because he dose not decerve to worshpied
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Why did you not EVEN MENTIONED CHAPTER 18 on leaving THE VIRGINS FOR YOUR SELVES ? Moses was commanding Army of God, God is responsible for every action Moses did. AND WE NEVER SAW ANY REPRIMAND FROM GOD ON THAT
@@strictlypineapple9308I don't know I guess he assumed that the children would be? He literally said keep the woman children for yourselves. He didn't say the women he said the women children basically saying keep the little girls for yourself. I may be someone who loves Moses but that was genuinely sick of him to say. And I personally think God should have killed him earlier to atone for this disgusting sin.
Moses knew they were virgins because they were young girls, and they were spared death because they didn't do the orgies with the men It was an act of mercy to keep them alive And nobody was allowed to marry the young girls until they were adults
Wow, things like this- “It didn’t really happen. But even if it did, it wasn’t really bad.” Bowl post moving in real time. Just admit that it’s gross, you don’t like it, but you STILL insist on believing/following it. At least be honest.
A Narcissist’s Prayer; “That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.” This didn’t happen. But if it did, it was Moses. And if it was Moses, he did it on his own. And if he did do it on his own, it wasn’t God’s judgement. And if it wasn’t God’s judgement, God is good. I still didn’t expect him to start his logic with “the Bible is true and God is good, therefore”; that’s the end of an argument, not the beginning. Why even bother, instead of just saying “God does what he wants and it’s always good because he says so”.
Last year in 2023 I asked a "Christian" minister that if I had a Canaanite baby in my arms, right now, would he kill it? His reply was shocking. With a big smile on his face he said: "Yes, I would kill the baby". I said: "then that would make you a baby killer" and he said "No, if I were to kill the baby of my own volition that would make me a baby killer, but if I didn't kill the baby, that would set me against "God's" will. and besides, all babies go to heaven so I would be saving the Canaanite baby from eternity in hell by killing it before he was raised by the Canaanites which would guarantee the baby would spend eternity in hell". I said: "So killing the baby is actually doing it a favor?" He said emphatically: "Yes". I was raised by a "Christian" minister and memorized many scriptures and now you know one of the many reasons why I am an athiest. This twisted rational is sick and pathetic. I left his company never to return..... There are many counterdictory issues with the Bible and many instances of rape, baby murder, incest, genocide etc. Why in the hell would any one want this book of horrors to be exposed to grade school children. It is sick.
"... make us cringe... " No, that's just our moral intuitions misaligning with "Biblical morals" despite the claims that our motality comes from such "morals"
My question is do we really fully understand what the word 'good' means? God is good and thats a fact and yet He causes bad things to happen to people at times so we should really be asking if our definition of 'good' is really accurate.
Shut up. We do understand. "Good" isnt just arbitrary and a mystery to us. God wrote morals on our heart. HOW DARE you rry to redefine who God is to fit your sadistic murderious tendencies. Youre a sick freak and a devil from hell for eve trying to justify this. GO BACK TO HELL DEVIL
Babylon was used to judge Judah. Does that mean Babylon was A-ok in God's eyes? Not at all. We all deserve swift and dire judgement. Any amount of time that passes where that is not happening is pure grace. We fail to see that we are, essentially, moral orcs. Always open to being slain by truly righteous beings, such as angels, if God allowed it. God allowing a harsh judgement on a people is not the same thing as God letting those who happily swing that sword to get off. Saul had a lot of rights as king, and it was not the place of his subjects to defy him, we see this when David refuses to kill Saul as Saul relieved himself in a cave where David hid. Does that make Saul morally just? No! It means that there is an order for judgement to be carried out. We see Moses pray for the preservation of the nation when God offers to make Moses the father of the nation by killing all the Israelites for worshipping the golden calf. We see a similar theme when Abraham prays for Sodom. Does that mean it would be wrong for God to bring judgement at those times? Not at all. But God wants to see us having a desire for mercy, not sacrifice. These sorts of tests wont be spelled out, or they are not tests. We also need to remember God judges on the other side of life, after death, too. The one who gave souls is also the one who weighs them, and who has all power to make things right.
From 1:59 This is demonstrably false. The rest of the passage (which you didn't show) shows that Yahweh was in complete alignment with this command; afterall, Moses is a prophet of Yahweh. Verses 19 to 20 has Moses giving instructions on how to "purify" themselves after performing this dastardly act. But verses 21 to 24, Eleazer, the priest, gives a command from Yahweh that repeats Moses' instructions with some expansion. Are we to believe that this command is also not from Yahweh? Verses 25 to 30 has Yahweh himself providing a formula on how to divide the spoils amongst the people of Israel and yes, that includes the virgin girls. So how can we conclude that Moses does not speak for Yahweh? Verses 31 to 41 has Moses and Eleazar carrying out Yahweh's commands. It ends with this "And Moses gave the tribute, which was the contribution for the LORD, to Eleazar the priest, as the LORD commanded Moses." So why are we trying to exculpate Yahweh? P.S. Paul Copan is just awful.
What you're calling dastardly act committed by the Israelites was actually common procedure by nations and tribes for even far longer afterward. Actually sparing the young women was very merciful of them. There was no way to integrate the young boys into their society in that particular scenario, but this was one of the exceptions. Most of the invasions that Israel took part in theybwould spare women and children. But this war was far more personal than any mere invasion. The israelites did nothing to the moabites and midianites yet those nations were he'll bent on getting God to destroy his own people through sex and worship of their false gods. It's like sending your std ridden daughters to go spread their disease to a group of men you hate for no good reason.
This comment is just ridiculous. Immediate verses about purification has nothing to do with the boys. They just got out from a war, and after wars they need to purify themselves before the God. This is not even the only place they purify themselves, just read some other places in the Pentateuch and you'll see that this is just what they do after wars. It does not show by any means that God was OK with what Moses commended.
@@Galahadofthegrail The point about the purification is to show how normal or mundane the text treats the aftermath of the massacre of the boys without even a hint of condemnation even though this command presumbley comes from Yahweh. Sure the purification is not only about the boys but about every killing that took place including the massacre of the male combatants, the women, and also the boys. I noticed that you did not address my other points though. Why?
Your first point was already refuted but you asked why he didn’t refute the rest so I’d just like to talk about those. Verse 25-30 you say The Lord gives instruction on dividing spoils including the virgins, could you show where in the text it says that? I did not see that anywhere. Verse 31-41 I’m assuming was to prove The Lord gave out commands but I don’t see where in the text he gave a command specifically about the virgins, which I am assuming is what you’re trying to prove in the larger point. Do you have text showing this?
@@adedaporh Sorry for the late reply. TH-cam didn't send me any notification for some reason. But I do not think that this is still enough reason to assume that YHVH was okay with the killings of the boys. Again, it is just what they do after wars and the norm, nothing suggest that God was okay with what they did. To add this, in some chapters prior to Numbers 31, God rebukes Moses one more time for not listening to him and violating his command (starting from 27:12 to be exact). It shows that even though most of the time Moses just did what God told him to do he was still a sinner and could violate his commands. Also, closest biblical parallel to Numbers 31:17-18 is Judges 21:10-13, and this doesn't portrait Moses in a good way. Ending with a harrowing statement, "In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in their eyes". (You can read paper from Ken Brown for this, "Vengeance and Vindication in Numbers 31"). And lastly, it is never openly stated that this command of Moses was really executed, nor it was condoned by God.
The religious narratives in the book of Numbers were primarily written to teach the audience of the time a lesson. The book wasn't written using the same techniques post Western Enlightenment historians use to try to determine whether or not an event occurred and in a precise fashion.
The Christian capacity to justify stuff like this (there’s sooooo much) is absolutely staggering. Be good with this all you want, Christians, but please don’t call us evil (or suppressors of righteousness or whatever) because we just aren’t convinced. It’s perfectly rational to dismiss the existence of this specific deity based on these texts. Carry on in your pews but leave the rest of us alone. Cheers.
Would you kill Hitler if yoy could go back and kill himas a baby. The boys would get vengeance for their father's. Those non Virgin women participated in orgies to worship baal which is a sin. God holds both males and females accountable for their sin. Young Virgin girls were spared because they did not engage in such behaviour. If you read duetronomy it's written you cam marry a woman not a young woman. Here's a thought experiment if someone killed Hitler as a baby he'd be in heaven right now. But we know he's suffering in hell.
It's completely justifiable if you understand the context of this, it's a fallen world in the Old Testament and it's a dog eat dog world. The mosaic law was always imperfect and pointing towards Jesus Christ You refuse to actually understand our religion and how the Old Testament was never a universal rule book, but it was only for a particular people at a particular time in order to bring about the bloodline of the Messiah, to save the fallen world You don't understand our theology and you're closed minded
So you would rather have those babies grow up to be just as evil their parents and then they'll end up in the hell. You are justifying your own evil way of Things. The babies are in heaven with GOD. Aren't you being self righteous?
The worst thing a person can do is try to justify a criminal who was caught red-handed. How could a loving God who loves peace do this and say it in his Bible with all confidence and pride??? This explains why there is a new testemnt Because he realized that humanity was civilizing and that he had done wrong. He realized that man would not worships him because he dose not decerve to worshpied
Why would a loving parent not let their kid play with their "cool" friend who gets drunk, have raw s*x before marriage, etc. Does that make them not good parents? Rules are there to make order
The Chapter starts with - And the Lord spoke unto Moses, saying, So Stop Justifying Genocide.😂 What about the other genocidal verses, simply put Jesus who you claim is God is as a total phycopath in the OT
So Would you rather want them little adorable Babies to grow up just be evil as their parents and go to hell or would you rather have The Babies Be In Heaven with GOD Safe From their evil parents ways?
@@elpopman2055 No I would rather God not send anyone to hell, and teach us how to be good throughout eternity. But if not he could have caused the children just not to be born or he could have relocated the children like he did to Enoch and Elijah.
While you are making up these excuses to defend your evil god, where was he when all that was happening? Was he taking a nap? Did he get shy and couldn't tell Moses to cut that crap out?
You say God is evil? But isn't that you judging God? If he is the creator of the universe, life or death don't really matter. Now, if you are just a human with what standard can you judge God?
It's definitely a hard question. We could maybe look at it this way: God knows from the beginnig, who will be saved and who won't. If he knows, that everyone of those Canaanites would have refused to repent, what is the consequence of them being destroyed? If they hadn't been destroyed, they would have continued on in sin and received a much heavier judgement. The thought of children being killed is hard for us - make no mistake, it is hard for us Christians too. But we know, that God said, that he takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked and wants all people to be saved. But those children would have grown up sooner or later, even if it sounds hard, and they would have sinned throughout all their lives, caused much suffering and received a heavy judgement. Those, that died before living a life of sin - who knows, maybe they will go to heaven on the day of the resurrection? At least, they will not receive the heavy judgement, they would have received otherwise. But it really is a hard question, and I sometimes struggle with it myself.
I do agree that this video seems useless and far fetched. Waste of time. But how bout this thought.: Jesus tells us that man shall not live on bread alone but by every word that comes form the mouth of God. And we as Christians are to believe that the holy bible is written by man as they were led by the Holy Spirit. Therefore by the authority of God. Those words were not in error. Rather the idea that better resonates is if we take Moses as a stand in for Jesus during this story. As Jesus does say in John 5 all the scriptures testify of me. So this story as sad as it seems shows a picture that in your resurrection with Jesus as your king as leader you will need to follow the rules laid down to have citizenship in that kingdom. Nothing unclean or unholy is permitted. We saw how a small sin (eating the fruit) has turned this world into a shit hole.
Holy shit what a terrible apologetic. The suggestion that Moses might have issued the command on his own authority rather than it being a direct command from Yahweh is speculative and undermines the integrity of the biblical narrative. It raises questions about the reliability of Moses as a prophet and the consistency of divine commands in the Bible, creating theological instability rather than resolving the moral dilemma. Your specific deity in his own myth has literally all of the omni powers open to him at all time effortlessly, there is literally no reason this could not have been resolved, especially if you're saying this game of divine telephone from Moses is now to blame. Your myth posits messenger angels at Yahweh's will, and this isn't the only genocide Yahweh oversees. You're retrofitting modern standards on Yahweh in attempt to deal with the coganative disonnance of your deity character simply commanding an obvious evil action. This isn't the only evil action Yahweh commands or does in his own myth.
It wasn't an evil action because what God does is not evil God can see the beginning and the end, so due to this hindsight, these actions were the best actions given the circumstances and the time period And the Old Testament was never a universal set of perfect laws, it was temporary and always pointing towards the perfect law of Jesus Christ and his sacrifice to redeem the fallen world Everything makes sense if you actually understand the story. There's no need to be obstinate
@@jm8196 Yahweh knew the future, so the genocide was justified.’ Really? Omnipotent Yahweh needed to kill babies & sexually enslave girls to prevent future evil? What future ‘good’ outweighs that trauma? Stop using ‘mystery’ as a cover for indefensible cruelty. Yahweh being all-knowing and all-powerful doesn't negate the fact that, within the narrative, he ordered genocide. The excuse that "God is good, so all his actions are good" doesn’t hold up when Yahweh is depicted doing clearly evil actions, like ordering the slaughter of women and children. If Yahweh had the foresight to know the outcome, why resort to violence at all? Why not choose a peaceful solution with his infinite wisdom? Yahweh’s orders in Numbers 31 aren’t justifiable. Omniscient Yahweh could’ve avoided genocide entirely. Calling murder 'moral' because 'God did it' is just mental gymnastics. Yahweh’s a war god-stop pretending this bloodshed is a divine mystery. You've been told what to think rather than doing the thinking yourself here.
GOD People Plenty of times to repent. So you would rather want those adorable babies to grow up and end up in the hell like their Wicked parents Or would you them die and And end up being with GOD in heaven. The issue is that you are simply Going by emotions and being simply self righteous.. God ways are above our ways. You are being arrogamt in Your Thinking
So Yahweh's "solution" to prevent future evil is to kill babies? That's not morality, it's cruelty. Saying it's better to slaughter infants so they "go to heaven" is just twisted logic to justify genocide. A truly omniscient, all-powerful god would find a better way. This argument doesn't hold up-it’s not about emotions; it’s about calling out indefensible actions in the text. Yahweh can produce Mana. Yahweh can simply command them to be raised piously. Stabbing them to death and sexually enslaving female children is somehow less wicked? You're delusional and obviously indoctrinated to a level of stupid that's nearly unfathomable.
God made the right decision. who would've raised those babies? they would be treated badly for being illegitimate. probably would've become bitter, find out about their heritage and repeat the same evil.
@@Noir_Nouveau right. The problem is people talk and get mad at each other. Do you think it mightve been possible that in a fit of anger people would say what their ancestors had done, and they being resentful would repeat the same evil? People already turn against their natural parents, now imagine someone who adopted you
@@black-cross Apply that same logic tho to the virgins that they took as wives? Why were they just not killed like everyone else? They were may have a husband who may have killed their fathers right before their eyes.
@@black-cross bro im a christian but when a read old testament and then new thats like 2 diffrent Gods how can that same Jesus let Moses do this i dont know
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Thanks for checking out this video! Here are some of the videos I've done on the judgment of God
-Why is God's judgment so severe? th-cam.com/video/byMqiGA4bVg/w-d-xo.html
-Why did God have Isreal wipe out the Canaanites? th-cam.com/video/RfNtwUb4H0g/w-d-xo.html
And here's an oldie for ya, just for kicks and giggles - th-cam.com/video/4pZ3ohFU3bc/w-d-xo.html
You guys rock! It's been fun building out this channel and seeing it grow 😀
The worst thing a person can do is try to justify a criminal who was caught red-handed. How could a loving God who loves peace do this and say it in his Bible with all confidence and pride??? This explains why there is a new testemnt Because he realized that humanity was civilizing and that he had done wrong. He realized that man would not worships him because he dose not decerve to worshpied
Youre a sickening heartless devil and are no christian
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Why did you not EVEN MENTIONED CHAPTER 18 on leaving THE VIRGINS FOR YOUR SELVES ? Moses was commanding Army of God, God is responsible for every action Moses did. AND WE NEVER SAW ANY REPRIMAND FROM GOD ON THAT
@@mwanamutemi also how would Moses know who were virgins or not?😂 makes u think yeah?
@@strictlypineapple9308I don't know I guess he assumed that the children would be? He literally said keep the woman children for yourselves. He didn't say the women he said the women children basically saying keep the little girls for yourself. I may be someone who loves Moses but that was genuinely sick of him to say. And I personally think God should have killed him earlier to atone for this disgusting sin.
Moses knew they were virgins because they were young girls, and they were spared death because they didn't do the orgies with the men
It was an act of mercy to keep them alive
And nobody was allowed to marry the young girls until they were adults
Wow, things like this- “It didn’t really happen. But even if it did, it wasn’t really bad.” Bowl post moving in real time. Just admit that it’s gross, you don’t like it, but you STILL insist on believing/following it. At least be honest.
A Narcissist’s Prayer;
“That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.”
This didn’t happen. But if it did, it was Moses. And if it was Moses, he did it on his own. And if he did do it on his own, it wasn’t God’s judgement. And if it wasn’t God’s judgement, God is good.
I still didn’t expect him to start his logic with “the Bible is true and God is good, therefore”; that’s the end of an argument, not the beginning. Why even bother, instead of just saying “God does what he wants and it’s always good because he says so”.
@@Pyromaniac77777GREAT ARGUMENT! May I use it in the future?🎉😂❤
One good question is, what would you do if Jesus would ask you to do such a thing today? Would you obey? Even if it's just an example
Last year in 2023 I asked a "Christian" minister that if I had a Canaanite baby in my arms, right now, would he kill it? His reply was shocking. With a big smile on his face he said: "Yes, I would kill the baby". I said: "then that would make you a baby killer" and he said "No, if I were to kill the baby of my own volition that would make me a baby killer, but if I didn't kill the baby, that would set me against "God's" will. and besides, all babies go to heaven so I would be saving the Canaanite baby from eternity in hell by killing it before he was raised by the Canaanites which would guarantee the baby would spend eternity in hell". I said: "So killing the baby is actually doing it a favor?" He said emphatically: "Yes". I was raised by a "Christian" minister and memorized many scriptures and now you know one of the many reasons why I am an athiest. This twisted rational is sick and pathetic. I left his company never to return..... There are many counterdictory issues with the Bible and many instances of rape, baby murder, incest, genocide etc. Why in the hell would any one want this book of horrors to be exposed to grade school children. It is sick.
"... make us cringe... " No, that's just our moral intuitions misaligning with "Biblical morals" despite the claims that our motality comes from such "morals"
This sounds like a battered wife defending her abusive and erratic husband lol
My question is do we really fully understand what the word 'good' means? God is good and thats a fact and yet He causes bad things to happen to people at times so we should really be asking if our definition of 'good' is really accurate.
Shut up. We do understand. "Good" isnt just arbitrary and a mystery to us. God wrote morals on our heart. HOW DARE you rry to redefine who God is to fit your sadistic murderious tendencies.
Youre a sick freak and a devil from hell for eve trying to justify this. GO BACK TO HELL DEVIL
Babylon was used to judge Judah. Does that mean Babylon was A-ok in God's eyes? Not at all. We all deserve swift and dire judgement. Any amount of time that passes where that is not happening is pure grace. We fail to see that we are, essentially, moral orcs. Always open to being slain by truly righteous beings, such as angels, if God allowed it. God allowing a harsh judgement on a people is not the same thing as God letting those who happily swing that sword to get off. Saul had a lot of rights as king, and it was not the place of his subjects to defy him, we see this when David refuses to kill Saul as Saul relieved himself in a cave where David hid. Does that make Saul morally just? No! It means that there is an order for judgement to be carried out. We see Moses pray for the preservation of the nation when God offers to make Moses the father of the nation by killing all the Israelites for worshipping the golden calf. We see a similar theme when Abraham prays for Sodom. Does that mean it would be wrong for God to bring judgement at those times? Not at all. But God wants to see us having a desire for mercy, not sacrifice. These sorts of tests wont be spelled out, or they are not tests. We also need to remember God judges on the other side of life, after death, too. The one who gave souls is also the one who weighs them, and who has all power to make things right.
We overthrew our "king" because, as men & and women, we recognized SELF governance was a superior way of life🎉😂❤
From 1:59
This is demonstrably false. The rest of the passage (which you didn't show) shows that Yahweh was in complete alignment with this command; afterall, Moses is a prophet of Yahweh.
Verses 19 to 20 has Moses giving instructions on how to "purify" themselves after performing this dastardly act. But verses 21 to 24, Eleazer, the priest, gives a command from Yahweh that repeats Moses' instructions with some expansion. Are we to believe that this command is also not from Yahweh?
Verses 25 to 30 has Yahweh himself providing a formula on how to divide the spoils amongst the people of Israel and yes, that includes the virgin girls. So how can we conclude that Moses does not speak for Yahweh?
Verses 31 to 41 has Moses and Eleazar carrying out Yahweh's commands. It ends with this "And Moses gave the tribute, which was the contribution for the LORD, to Eleazar the priest, as the LORD commanded Moses." So why are we trying to exculpate Yahweh?
P.S. Paul Copan is just awful.
What you're calling dastardly act committed by the Israelites was actually common procedure by nations and tribes for even far longer afterward. Actually sparing the young women was very merciful of them. There was no way to integrate the young boys into their society in that particular scenario, but this was one of the exceptions. Most of the invasions that Israel took part in theybwould spare women and children. But this war was far more personal than any mere invasion. The israelites did nothing to the moabites and midianites yet those nations were he'll bent on getting God to destroy his own people through sex and worship of their false gods. It's like sending your std ridden daughters to go spread their disease to a group of men you hate for no good reason.
This comment is just ridiculous. Immediate verses about purification has nothing to do with the boys. They just got out from a war, and after wars they need to purify themselves before the God. This is not even the only place they purify themselves, just read some other places in the Pentateuch and you'll see that this is just what they do after wars. It does not show by any means that God was OK with what Moses commended.
@@Galahadofthegrail The point about the purification is to show how normal or mundane the text treats the aftermath of the massacre of the boys without even a hint of condemnation even though this command presumbley comes from Yahweh. Sure the purification is not only about the boys but about every killing that took place including the massacre of the male combatants, the women, and also the boys.
I noticed that you did not address my other points though. Why?
Your first point was already refuted but you asked why he didn’t refute the rest so I’d just like to talk about those. Verse 25-30 you say The Lord gives instruction on dividing spoils including the virgins, could you show where in the text it says that? I did not see that anywhere. Verse 31-41 I’m assuming was to prove The Lord gave out commands but I don’t see where in the text he gave a command specifically about the virgins, which I am assuming is what you’re trying to prove in the larger point. Do you have text showing this?
@@adedaporh Sorry for the late reply. TH-cam didn't send me any notification for some reason. But I do not think that this is still enough reason to assume that YHVH was okay with the killings of the boys. Again, it is just what they do after wars and the norm, nothing suggest that God was okay with what they did. To add this, in some chapters prior to Numbers 31, God rebukes Moses one more time for not listening to him and violating his command (starting from 27:12 to be exact). It shows that even though most of the time Moses just did what God told him to do he was still a sinner and could violate his commands. Also, closest biblical parallel to Numbers 31:17-18 is Judges 21:10-13, and this doesn't portrait Moses in a good way. Ending with a harrowing statement, "In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in their eyes". (You can read paper from Ken Brown for this, "Vengeance and Vindication in Numbers 31"). And lastly, it is never openly stated that this command of Moses was really executed, nor it was condoned by God.
I’d like to hear the Christian perspective on the book “The Age of Reason” by Thomas Paine
The religious narratives in the book of Numbers were primarily written to teach the audience of the time a lesson. The book wasn't written using the same techniques post Western Enlightenment historians use to try to determine whether or not an event occurred and in a precise fashion.
So the Hebrews being Slaves in Egypt was not that bad based on your posturing. God was freeing them from a crappy employer.
The Christian capacity to justify stuff like this (there’s sooooo much) is absolutely staggering. Be good with this all you want, Christians, but please don’t call us evil (or suppressors of righteousness or whatever) because we just aren’t convinced. It’s perfectly rational to dismiss the existence of this specific deity based on these texts. Carry on in your pews but leave the rest of us alone. Cheers.
Would you kill Hitler if yoy could go back and kill himas a baby. The boys would get vengeance for their father's. Those non Virgin women participated in orgies to worship baal which is a sin. God holds both males and females accountable for their sin. Young Virgin girls were spared because they did not engage in such behaviour. If you read duetronomy it's written you cam marry a woman not a young woman.
Here's a thought experiment if someone killed Hitler as a baby he'd be in heaven right now. But we know he's suffering in hell.
It's completely justifiable if you understand the context of this, it's a fallen world in the Old Testament and it's a dog eat dog world.
The mosaic law was always imperfect and pointing towards Jesus Christ
You refuse to actually understand our religion and how the Old Testament was never a universal rule book, but it was only for a particular people at a particular time in order to bring about the bloodline of the Messiah, to save the fallen world
You don't understand our theology and you're closed minded
So you would rather have those babies grow up to be just as evil their parents and then they'll end up in the hell. You are justifying your own evil way of Things.
The babies are in heaven with GOD. Aren't you being self righteous?
@@elpopman2055what about the little girls they took "for themselves"
The worst thing a person can do is try to justify a criminal who was caught red-handed. How could a loving God who loves peace do this and say it in his Bible with all confidence and pride??? This explains why there is a new testemnt Because he realized that humanity was civilizing and that he had done wrong. He realized that man would not worships him because he dose not decerve to worshpied
God is worthy of all praise
He doesn't realize His mistakes because He makes not mistakes
@@jayset9136
Bro shut up.
Why would a loving parent not let their kid play with their "cool" friend who gets drunk, have raw s*x before marriage, etc. Does that make them not good parents? Rules are there to make order
@@الصمتالمطلقThe worst thing a person can do is to justify pedophilia 😂
Which your religion does the best
The Chapter starts with - And the Lord spoke unto Moses, saying,
So Stop Justifying Genocide.😂
What about the other genocidal verses, simply put Jesus who you claim is God is as a total phycopath in the OT
So the ends justify the means?
So Would you rather want them little adorable Babies to grow up just be evil as their parents and go to hell or would you rather have The Babies Be In Heaven with GOD Safe From their evil parents ways?
@@elpopman2055 No I would rather God not send anyone to hell, and teach us how to be good throughout eternity. But if not he could have caused the children just not to be born or he could have relocated the children like he did to Enoch and Elijah.
While you are making up these excuses to defend your evil god, where was he when all that was happening? Was he taking a nap? Did he get shy and couldn't tell Moses to cut that crap out?
You say God is evil? But isn't that you judging God? If he is the creator of the universe, life or death don't really matter. Now, if you are just a human with what standard can you judge God?
@@LartinBeats-rg6pf can you answer my questions? Can you defend the evil that god did and does?
It's definitely a hard question.
We could maybe look at it this way: God knows from the beginnig, who will be saved and who won't. If he knows, that everyone of those Canaanites would have refused to repent, what is the consequence of them being destroyed? If they hadn't been destroyed, they would have continued on in sin and received a much heavier judgement.
The thought of children being killed is hard for us - make no mistake, it is hard for us Christians too. But we know, that God said, that he takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked and wants all people to be saved. But those children would have grown up sooner or later, even if it sounds hard, and they would have sinned throughout all their lives, caused much suffering and received a heavy judgement. Those, that died before living a life of sin - who knows, maybe they will go to heaven on the day of the resurrection? At least, they will not receive the heavy judgement, they would have received otherwise.
But it really is a hard question, and I sometimes struggle with it myself.
I do agree that this video seems useless and far fetched. Waste of time. But how bout this thought.:
Jesus tells us that man shall not live on bread alone but by every word that comes form the mouth of God. And we as Christians are to believe that the holy bible is written by man as they were led by the Holy Spirit. Therefore by the authority of God. Those words were not in error.
Rather the idea that better resonates is if we take Moses as a stand in for Jesus during this story. As Jesus does say in John 5 all the scriptures testify of me.
So this story as sad as it seems shows a picture that in your resurrection with Jesus as your king as leader you will need to follow the rules laid down to have citizenship in that kingdom.
Nothing unclean or unholy is permitted.
We saw how a small sin (eating the fruit) has turned this world into a shit hole.
@@stephenwlodarczyk175 which version of the Bible are you talking about?
But it was a commend from god
Have you heard of the concept of an unreliable narrator.
Now don’t say any bad word about Islam
Holy shit what a terrible apologetic.
The suggestion that Moses might have issued the command on his own authority rather than it being a direct command from Yahweh is speculative and undermines the integrity of the biblical narrative. It raises questions about the reliability of Moses as a prophet and the consistency of divine commands in the Bible, creating theological instability rather than resolving the moral dilemma. Your specific deity in his own myth has literally all of the omni powers open to him at all time effortlessly, there is literally no reason this could not have been resolved, especially if you're saying this game of divine telephone from Moses is now to blame. Your myth posits messenger angels at Yahweh's will, and this isn't the only genocide Yahweh oversees.
You're retrofitting modern standards on Yahweh in attempt to deal with the coganative disonnance of your deity character simply commanding an obvious evil action.
This isn't the only evil action Yahweh commands or does in his own myth.
It wasn't an evil action because what God does is not evil
God can see the beginning and the end, so due to this hindsight, these actions were the best actions given the circumstances and the time period
And the Old Testament was never a universal set of perfect laws, it was temporary and always pointing towards the perfect law of Jesus Christ and his sacrifice to redeem the fallen world
Everything makes sense if you actually understand the story. There's no need to be obstinate
@@jm8196
Yahweh knew the future, so the genocide was justified.’ Really? Omnipotent Yahweh needed to kill babies & sexually enslave girls to prevent future evil? What future ‘good’ outweighs that trauma? Stop using ‘mystery’ as a cover for indefensible cruelty.
Yahweh being all-knowing and all-powerful doesn't negate the fact that, within the narrative, he ordered genocide. The excuse that "God is good, so all his actions are good" doesn’t hold up when Yahweh is depicted doing clearly evil actions, like ordering the slaughter of women and children. If Yahweh had the foresight to know the outcome, why resort to violence at all? Why not choose a peaceful solution with his infinite wisdom?
Yahweh’s orders in Numbers 31 aren’t justifiable. Omniscient Yahweh could’ve avoided genocide entirely. Calling murder 'moral' because 'God did it' is just mental gymnastics. Yahweh’s a war god-stop pretending this bloodshed is a divine mystery.
You've been told what to think rather than doing the thinking yourself here.
GOD People Plenty of times to repent. So you would rather want those adorable babies to grow up and end up in the hell like their Wicked parents Or would you them die and And end up being with GOD in heaven.
The issue is that you are simply Going by emotions and being simply self righteous.. God ways are above our ways. You are being arrogamt in Your Thinking
So Yahweh's "solution" to prevent future evil is to kill babies?
That's not morality, it's cruelty.
Saying it's better to slaughter infants so they "go to heaven" is just twisted logic to justify genocide.
A truly omniscient, all-powerful god would find a better way.
This argument doesn't hold up-it’s not about emotions; it’s about calling out indefensible actions in the text.
Yahweh can produce Mana.
Yahweh can simply command them to be raised piously.
Stabbing them to death and sexually enslaving female children is somehow less wicked?
You're delusional and obviously indoctrinated to a level of stupid that's nearly unfathomable.
God made the right decision. who would've raised those babies? they would be treated badly for being illegitimate. probably would've become bitter, find out about their heritage and repeat the same evil.
The virgins that were allowed to live (numbers 31:18) could have adopted the orphans.
@@Noir_Nouveau right. The problem is people talk and get mad at each other. Do you think it mightve been possible that in a fit of anger people would say what their ancestors had done, and they being resentful would repeat the same evil?
People already turn against their natural parents, now imagine someone who adopted you
@@black-cross Apply that same logic tho to the virgins that they took as wives? Why were they just not killed like everyone else? They were may have a husband who may have killed their fathers right before their eyes.
@@black-cross bro im a christian but when a read old testament and then new thats like 2 diffrent Gods how can that same Jesus let Moses do this i dont know
@@FARMNI-bp3xf at first reading, I thought that too, but it's the same God. Actually, Jesus is much harsher.